I get why .357 Magnum pistols are memes, but why aren't there any semi-auto carbines of that caliber (that i'm aware of)?
In .357 lever-gat recoil is rather gentle, in semi-auto it would be even lower.
Would they be valiable home defence carbines?
>>29931773
People always mention flash/noise/over penetration regarding .357 as a HD/SD caliber.
Not sure about the loudness or flash from carbine esque barrel lengths myself.
>>29931773
Well. To nitpick, a semi-auto would probably have more felt recoil (depending on how it operates) than a levergat by virtue of having parts moving in reaction to a round being fired.
That aside, I'd love it if there was something like a Sub2000 in .357.
Inb4 buy an AR. Yeah it'll do better and probably cost you less, but I get the feeling OP wants a semi .357 carbine because he wants a semi .357 carbine.
>>29931803
>semi-auto would probably have more felt recoil
really?
I feel it the other way
>>29931773
>meme
Stop perpetuating this stupid bullshit.
Because mags are a pain in the ass with rimmed cartridges. Not to say it's not possible though.
Also Ruger makes the 77/357 bolt action, and they used to make a 10/22 action .357 way back in the day IIRC.
>>29931830
sorry anon
obviously .357 Magnum is viable pistol cartridge
>>29931837
Actually, I was thinking about the Model 44, which was in .44 mag. They also made the Deerfield carbine which was essentially a Mini 14 in .44 mag.
>>29931837
Let's invent a stripper clip top fed rifle then...an SKS but in .357 mag
>>29931803
Actually the moving parts reduce felt recoil. Without a moving piston/bcg, you absorb all of the recoil immediately. The moving parts slow down the process. Idk if you haven't shot both to compare, but it's pretty obvious semi autos have less felt recoil.
>>29931845
Not him, but I know sarcasm when I see it.
.357 is a viable cartridge unless you feel you have to live your life as a tactical
operator who is never actually going to operate. In your world, you can never
have enough ammunition to take down bad guys and mooslims with. For
normal people, it isn't about that. It's about reasonable protection, comfort,
and stopping ability.
ProTip: That tactical vest only impresses you. Go to the range with it and
unless you're surrounded by weabos, you look like an idiot. It's like that guy
who always walks around in camo at the gun shows. And as an aside, i've
noticed that the fatter the guy, the sweeter the AR.
>>29932088
Fucking REKT.
T. 357 mag fan.
>>29932049
This, a thousand times this.
>have a .30-06 bolt gun
>kicks like mule
>get chance to shoot M1 garand
>anticipate mule kick
>mfw it had less recoil than any full size rifle I ever shot
>tfw I managed a 5 in. Group with irons at 200yds and been out of practice for awhile.
>>29932088
Gob bless
>>29932088
>And as an aside, i've noticed that the fatter the guy, the sweeter the AR.
>Dr8co
This checks out
>>29931773
The closest thing would be a .357 lever action carbine with a 16" barrel.
They're pretty fun though.
>>29932088
This guy knows what the fuck is up.
>>29932024
If you can manage to make the receiver aluminum and work out simplifying the forged parts you have a goddamn winner of a cucked state carbine that isn't shit.
>>29931773
It's large rim would result in a heavily staggered magazine (harder to do with straight case walls) or a magazine with a mechanism that controls rounds being fed from the magazine, line a Mosin Nagant.
The other option, which I would prefer, is to use a tube magazine.
It would probably be a small market and that same market would probably be just as inclined to buy a simpler tube fed gun, which may as well be lever action for many of them.
>>29931791
>People always mention flash/noise/over penetration regarding .357 as a HD/SD caliber.
In a handgun, definitely. Out of a carbine it's certainly better in that regard than an actual rifle caliber, and people have zero problem recommending stubby ARs for home defense...
>>29931773
Take a look at .351WSL carbines like the 1907 Winchester.
The biggest reason is it would be heavy and impractical.
>>29931773
10mm has similar ballistics and no rim. If I were to consider something like this, I'd use 10mm so I can have a smaller mag with decent capacity.
>>29932789
ARs with proper round selection will penetrate fewer panes of drywall than a .357
>>29933718
Overlooked the "over-penetration" part. Nevertheless, a .223 carbine is still loud as fuck - my main concern when shooting indoors personally.
>>29932109
Did you use m1 garand loads for it though?
If you did, then you're not using full power .30-06
If you didn't, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>29931773
M1 carbine
The 30 Carbine round has similar ballistics/ energy as the .357
>making a semi auto using a rimmed cartridge.
non .50 AE Desert Eagles are jamomatics for a reason.
>>29932024
...you understand that the clip feeds an internal magazine, right? That in no way avoids the issue of a rimmed cartridge.
Ruger made something like this years ago in .44 Mag, pretty sure manufacturing costs or lack or sales being the reason they discontinued them - not reliability issues. Really wish they'd revive the concept in .357...tube mag with a loading gate, not their rotary magazines.
>>29932088
you are doing gods work my friend.
Whats a good, 357 for CC?
I want something old looking
>>29934277
>Whats a good, 357 for CC?
If you actually plan to shoot .357's out of it regularly, something with a 3" barrel at the very shortest.
>>29932088
Would be nice burn, if not for the fact that I'm revolver/lever-action guy. .357 is my go to ammo.
All I said, is that mag pistols are range toys.
>>29932088
don't ever change
>>29934301
why is that? I only owned one revolver, a SW model 19, i think it had a 6 inch barrel.
38 will work too, im not trying to shoot through car doors im just trying to defend myself walking down the st
>>29934333
Because it's loud as fuck and hard recoiling out of smaller guns. If you'll be loading it with .38s an LCR or J frame will work too. Ruger and S&W are your only real options in good quality DA revolvers this days, I lean toward Ruger because they're tougher and better values imo.
>>29934221
7.62x54 is rimmed and it works with stripper
>>29934386
loud as fuck will scare the rest of the hooligans away right? haha im leaging toward 38, but I like the option of shooting two calibers. Whats LCR and DA? sorry, acronyms escape me. What about Taurus?
>>29934466
Ruger LCR, Ruger's polymer-framed snub. DA = double action. Taurus is garbage. Avoid.
>>29934197
Mine isn't. The .357 Barrel will cycle any ammo with enough energy to.run the gas system.
>>29934244
The first .44 carbine was a closed top design with a four round internal type mag. It loads from the bottom like a shotgun..
>>29932049
gun weight and other shit all affect felt recoil. Personally I prefer a sharp quick recoil of a pump shotgun for follow up shots than I do a semi auto. So I think it really depends on the individual.
>>29934418
The clip isn't the issue, it's the magazine you're feeding it into. Rimmed cartridges add complications with keeping the rims from overlapping, from catching on things when feeding, and feeding smoothly from double stack layouts.
>>29934648
I was speaking purely for felt recoil as opposed to which recoil you feel you recover from the quickest. In that regard I have to agree with you.
>>29934709
I think he was talking about this, bud.
>>29934798
Considering his earlier post implied using a clip would eliminate feed issues from a magazine, probably not.
>>29934819
Actually, yeah. Now that I look at it, he just doesn't know what he's talking about. My example of the SVT still holds up though.
>inb4 they're unreliable
ssshhh
>>29933687
>10mm has similar ballistics
Until you get into hotter loads, even with similar bullet weight due to the .357s case capacity
Either way price is a limiting factor
>>29934709
What said anything about doublestack? would just complicate something who's main market probably wouldn't even be able to take advantage of it.
And the Enfeild and SVTs use double stacks just fine.
>>29931803
Noguns confirmed
>>29933862
Projectile variety is kinda shit though. I still want one because reasons.
Now a M1 Carbine standard 9mm projectiles in a cut down 5.56 case would be fun. Something close to 9mm win mag or a longer 9mm super cooper
>>29932088
I like you. A lot.
>>29932088
Truth that brings a tear to my eye
>>29933828
If you're going to use an AR for HD, I'd get a suppressed subsonic .300BLK version. It's basically designed for close in oper8in without loud noises.
>>29931845
It's killed motherfuckers dead for 100 years.
>>29931773
Posting my meme-tastic 1911, because It's my favorite.
>>29932088
The .357 has been kicking ass for the better part of a century and there's no reason why it shouldn't continue to do so. On the other hand, for semi-auto pistols wouldn't the 10mm be a better choice on account of it being rimless cartidge? I sort of see them as being like brothers; the .357 is awesome in revolvers and lever-actions, while the 10mm is better in semi-auto pistols and PCCs.
That said, if I ever get the chance and money to buy a Coonan 1911 in .357mag, I'm going to take it.
>>29935252
Do you ever have issues with rimlock?
>>29935367
Never. I've only had issues using light hand loads with the .357 spring and trying to use non-plus P 38's with the .38 spring. But those issues were just fte's because it short stroked. the gun has functioned flawlessly with %90 of the reloads I've put through it and %100 of the factory ammo I've used.
The one coonan in that pic is unfired, but I have another coonan that I shoot the piss out of. Now one thing I did before trying to even use the magazines is lube them up thoroughly and load/unload them several times dripping in oil. They do seem very tight out of the box.
>>29931773
... any in .357 SIG?
>Semi auto 357
That's what it's there for
>>29935348
10mm is definitely better for semi auto. I want a paired GP100 and Marlin 1894CSS in .357mag myself, but I'm more concerned with four legged assailants way out here.
>>29931803
Without any experience, the physics tells you that any movement within the gun is extra energy being absorbed, so the true recoil must be less.
>>29935701
My dads got a marlin 1894SS in .357, and I've got an 1894SS in .44 mag. Fucking love these things
>>29931773
IDK. It could be perfectly fine. I would rather have something cheaper like a carbine in 9mm that fires cheap ammo though. The rimmed cartridge would require a well designed magazine to not be too jammy. Like another anon said, Ruger did have .44 carbines, so they would be the likely choice to make one based on the 10/22 design or whatever. I'm not sure how expensive .357 Mag cartridges really are, but I would rather go for an AR or 9mm/.45 carbine like a Hi-Point for example. I think .357 is a fine revolver cartridge, but for other stuff I dunno.
>>29932109
So tired of hearing this bullshit. I own an M1. I own 30-06 bolt guns. There is not a noticeable difference in recoil if you account for weight.
>>29932088
I CC a Rugers SP101 in .357 with a 3 inch barrel all the time it has served me well more than once. The sound of a shot from it alone scares the shit out of people and it is accurate for me at 65 feet. With hollow point ammo the damn thing can drop a bear. I don't understand what your problem with that caliber is.
>>29936259
I think you misread the post. He's blowing the fuck out of .357 haters and tacticool wannabes.
>>29936265
My bad I am very tired just came off an 18 hour shift. Thank you for correcting me.
>With hollow point ammo the damn thing can drop a bear
And it going so well up until that point. HP is just about the complete opposite of what you want in that situation
>>29931773
Since when is .357 a meme?
>Wiley Clapp
you fucking disgusting pleb
>>29932088
I luv you
>>29931845
It actually fucking is you piece of human garbage
>>29932137
That's what I'm saying some people say making an American SKS would be too expensive...but come on just go with milled aluminum receivers and polymer for the budget model and walnut and forged aluminum for the premium model
Budget will be Mennonite button broached barrel while the premium will of course have a hammer forged chrome lined barrel
>>29934798
>>29934819
Uh, I think I was suggesting a pistol caliber SKS?
>>29931773
>be me at gramps house
>he's showing my inheritance
>couple of Fudd rifles, old Italian 25 pistol
>taurus 357
>in a handmade case he received as a gift fromy other gramps
>see, son, what I like about this one is I can sit here in my easy chair and it don't matter how many niggles come busting through that door, it's one shot for every two niggers, and by the time I have to reload, there's a stack of 12 dead niggers blocking the door.
Also, that night was the first time in the 20 years I've known him (step father's dad) that he's told me Nam stories.
>>29939697
Sorry anon, Veprs already exist
>>29939849
By the way I distinctly remember him saying the word niggles the first time. Was hard not to laugh
>>29932088
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>>29939983
>samefagging this hard
>>29931803
they make a 44 semi auto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLPmEPKHc9w
>>29931773
30 carbine or 38 super might have better luck.
>>29932088
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>>29939682
>pistol cartidge
>>29940016
Sure think bub. Sure is inconceivable that people would like one of the most popular calibers ever created while also spurning tactical faggotry
>>29932109
M1 is pretty heavy though. Weight has a play in recoil anon
>>29939682
mfw these cost 1000 buckaroos in europe. gonna get one soon, thinking of modding the 9mm cylinder to accept clips
>>29943331
Why? It doesn't need moon clips
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>>29934526
Not saying that I wouldn't have saved up a little more and gotten a GP100 in hindsight but my Taurus 66 has been a solid gun and I'm not gentle with it.
