Looking for a home defense gun here in CO. I would've liked to get a handgun, but since I'm not a CO resident, can't change for other reasons, and don't want to drive to the east coast just to pick up a gun, my options are limited to long guns here.
I'm considering an AR-15 because of its popularity and the fact that it's just a well-loved gun, but I really have no experience with long guns. Budget ~$700. Any recommendations, /k/?
>>29850389
What are your restrictions on ar15's? 15rd magazines only right? That's more than enough for home defense.
>aero/spike's/anderson lower
>bcm upper
>arisaka defense light
>primary arms micro dot
>sling
Should cost you ~800 but you'll be set pretty well
>>29851126
>>aero/spike's/anderson lower
>>bcm upper
What are things to consider when mixing upper/lower parts as opposed to the full thing? And why would you recommend doing that in this case?
700 for the gun or total?
There will be at least $50 in additional costs.
If $700 total I would recommend a Hipoint carbine in your preferred caliber (9, 40 or 45).
It seems like you're on a budget so I would suggest 9mm because it's cheaper than the other calibers.
The rifle may be ugly as hell but they'll work.
>>29851301
>What are things to consider when mixing upper/lower parts as opposed to the full thing?
The lowers are pretty much the same. Just different rollmarks. You don't need drop serious cash on the lower, that's reserved more for the upper where the performance really comes from. The BCG and barrel are the most important components.
Consider what you exactly want. Want a B5 stock and BCM grip? Get it right away instead of buying a basic a2 like pic and wasting money on parts you will swap out immediately.
If you do your research, you can save a lot of money and put it into getting a better upper. For the upper, just buy a completed one from bcm.
I bought my first ar which is exactly the one in the picture and fucking hate the magpul sights it comes with, the grip and the handguards. That's money down the drain for me. Sorry for making this long winded, tired as fuck
>>29851301
>What are things to consider when mixing upper/lower parts as opposed to the full thing?
Nothing, it's fucking legos.
>>29851344
700 for the gun. I'm not too concerned with looks. I'm not sure how well the 16.5" barrel would work for me; after a bit of research it seems like most people are saying 14.5" for moving around indoors.
>>29851388
Thanks for the tips, I'll see what BCM has to offer.
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>>29851484
>I'm not sure how well the 16.5" barrel would work for me; after a bit of research it seems like most people are saying 14.5" for moving around indoors.
16" will be fine. There are even some special forces using 16".
>>29851301
>What are things to consider when mixing upper/lower parts as opposed to the full thing?
Practically none, which is one of the great strengths of the AR-15.
>Budget ~$700. Any recommendations, /k/?
Since you're looking into an AR and want it for HD...
Get your upper here; http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-14-5-Mid-Length-LW-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-14lw-bfh.htm
Select the BCG and pin-weld service from the drop-down menus. You now are done with your upper, save for a charging handle, some handguards, and a BUIS. Those can be had here;
Charging handle; http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-m16-7075-t6-forged-mil-spec-charging-handle-24080.html
Handguards; http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-mid-length-standard-hand-guard.html
Rearsight; http://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-mbus-back-up-sight-gen-2-rear-mag248.html
This all comes up to around
With the upper totally done, now you just need the lower. PSA is now having a sale on complete blem lowers, seen here; http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-blem-lower-classic-edition-no-magazine.html
Granted, this entire setup will put you around $120 over your budget, but it's what I'd consider a great base for an HD rifle. It'll be very soft shooting, reliable, made of quality components, and be short enough to maneuver through a house.
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>>29851637
If you're stringent with that $700 budget, there's the more economical all-PSA option. It'll still be perfectly viable for HD and shooting in general, just not quite as nice.
Upper; http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-14-7-chf-mid-sqr-13-5-pinned-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html
Lower; http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-blem-lower-classic-edition-no-magazine.html
BCG; http://palmettostatearmory.com/5-56mm-full-auto-profile-bolt-carrier-group.html
BUIS; http://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-mbus-back-up-sight-gen-2-rear-mag248.html
With the now fully completed rifle, you should be right at $700. For things like a light and an optic, you will, naturally, incur more charges, but those can be had later on.
>>29851637
>>29851697
I think I'll go with the BCG upper if it's noticeably better since this is hopefully a long-term investment. Why pick mid-length over carbine at that barrel length?
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>>29851697
Let's say it's a month or two later and you have some more spending money for the mentioned optic and light. You're still, however, on a budget. Not to worry, there's still very solid options available.
In terms of the light, it's a good time to be a buyer. Metric fuckloads of surplus Surefire (the gold standard of weapon lights) M951s are on ebay for under $100, and come with a mount. These are absurdly durable and reliable pieces of equipment, and are bright enough for clearing rooms in the dead of night.
Light; http://www.ebay.com/itm/Surefire-M951-LED-Tactical-Light-Shotgun-Flashlight-Rifle-Weapon-TACTICAL-/381616606094?hash=item58da1f4b8e:g:sO0AAOSwaG9XJAFW
>>29851484
14.5 may be optimal, but there are a couple reasons that most rifles are 16-16.5 in.
Any rifles under 16" need a 6month wait and $200 stamp from the ATF, which is not generally a good thing when it comes to HD.
CO might not allow SBRs, I have no clue if they do or not.
In my mind, 1.5-2" is not much of an issue, especially not when it takes 6 months and $200.
>>29851762
>noticeably better
well it has this really nice looking logo on it...
>>29851762
Softer recoil impulse, lower parts wear. It's the former that's by far the greater benefit, though.
>>29851829
I know where you're coming from, but if he cant afford to spend more than $700 on the rifle, I doubt he'd be able to spend 2.5k on the 10k rounds that it would take to wear down parts.
>>29851812
I already had my heart set on a Surefire. Been into flashlights as a hobby for a while.
>>29851814
>Any rifles under 16" need a 6month wait and $200 stamp from the ATF
Oh, I had no idea. Looks like it's going to be 16", then.
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>>29851812
For the optic, and since we're talking HD here, a red dot is by far the optimal choice. Since, again, you're on a budget, this is where Primary Arms truly shines. The MD-ADS is probably the best bargain for a red dot on the market. At $170, you get a 50,000 hour battery life (so you can leave that bitch on and forget about it, ideal for HD), compatibility with any Aimpoint micro mount, and good reliability/ruggedness.
Red dot; http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-advanced-micro-dot-with-push-buttons-and-up-to-50k-hour-battery-life/p/kt-md-ads/
For the riser mount, you can choose between absolute cowitness of lower 1/3. If you don't know what that entails or don't know which is best suited for you, just watch here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogX-cIx9hpk
The linked RD page has drop-down choices for your mount. I've had great experiences with ADM QD mounts, but the basic $26 fixed mount will also do the job.
>>29851869
Okay, but the softer recoil impulse is, as mentioned, the real important factor, so...
>>29851932
The 16" bit is only partially true. The uppers I linked had their flash hiders pinned and welded to the barrel, making them, technically, 16" and NFA safe, even though the barrels are 14.5"/14.7".
AR 15 variant, never was a "Long gun"
SBR is a suitable term
>>29851126
Don't even get the red dot, he is better off putting that money towards a quality light or more ammo. then buying an aimpoint later.
>>29852088
>wants an HD gun
>don't even get the red dot
4chan; priorities
>>29852143
You don't need a red dot for home defense. Its nice to have, but not necessary. That 170 could go towards a better light, or more ammo so he has practice actually using the thing.
So yeah, someone here does have their priorities straight.
if you want an alternative to an intermediate rifle cartridge, get an inexpensive shotgun and load slugs or buckshot (not birdshot, it tends to be light on lethal penetration)
>>29852158
>That 170 could go towards a better light
You can get a perfectly viable one for around $70, complete with mount. I'd also argue you're downplaying how beneficial a RD can be in a HD scenario. Either way, it's better to have a light -and- RD, than pointlessly restricting yourself to one or the other.
>>29851963
My bad, I read the comment as you saying the parts wear was the most important part.
I only have a mid AR, how much difference is there between mid and carbine?
>>29852323
>how much difference is there between mid and carbine?
Besides the obvious, the recoil is less felt, you get more rail space if you stick with the A2 FSB, and it look sexy.
>>29852323
the difference is noticeable. I sold my carbine length to my buddy to fund my AKM build and kept my middy
Sionics assembled upper + BCG - $450
Aero stripped lower - $100
Lower parts kit + basic-as-fuck trigger - $60
Magpul CTR - $60
Magpul MBUS - $35
$705 (tax and shipping excluded)
You can save a bit more if you get a more cheaper stock and a PSA freedom upper and an anderson lower.
$700 AR that will work is very doable.
Of course there will be people telling you to splurge on this or that, and while it's true a better trigger can great, if you just need a long gun for some getting used to and home defense, a regular mil-spec trigger will do.
And besides, you can always just buy upgrades down the road if you feel like.
>>29852362
>the recoil is less felt
wouldn't dropping in a heavier buffer alleviate that issue?
Does bcm ever have sales?
>>29852275
>You can get a perfectly viable one for around $70, complete with mount. I'd also argue you're downplaying how beneficial a RD can be in a HD scenario.
If he could afford an Aimpoint of Trijicon, then do it, but otherwise don't spend your money on stupid shit you will just replace later. He doesn't need to spend 170 on a sub-par red dot. He could use that money towards more useful things.
>Either way, it's better to have a light -and- RD, than pointlessly restricting yourself to one or the other.
He is not restricting, and it is not pointless. He is investing into more serious equipment instead of buying a bunch of cheap shit that he will have to replace down the road. Its something /k/ has a real difficult time understanding. Buy once cry once. If you can't buy the thing you should get, save up for it, don't take short cuts. Non-poorfags know this.
>>29852570
If he's on a budget, which he clearly is, a MD-ADS will be more than fine. Call it chinkshit all you want, it's proven, and there's tests to back that. I'm not going to say an MD-ADS is as good as a T-1, but don't be a daft twat and assume he's buying a useless hunk of shit just because he didn't get a Trijicon or an Aimpoint. He's on a budget, there's solid, reliable budget-oriented options.
>>29852604
>If he's on a budget, which he clearly is, a MD-ADS will be more than fine
If he is on a budget, then he should waste money on things now he will replace later.
>He's on a budget, there's solid, reliable budget-oriented options.
Yeah, like iron sights and more ammo to train more. You can just put the front fork over top of the rear aperture and that is fine at 15 yards, which indoors is max fucking range.
>>29852647
Why would he replace it later?
>>29852647
>You can just put the front fork
It's called a frontsight, genius
>>29852657
BECAUSE HE'S GOTTA HAVE THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST
>>29852657
Because its not really that good. Its bulky, has shit glass, and shitty switches, and OP will eventually want a better optic. So he should save that 170 for the better optic.
>>>29852671
I know what the fuck its called, I was being specific about the part that you should see over your peep.
>>29852753
>Its bulky
It's exactly the same size as a fucking Aimpoint micro RD...
>has shit glass
Except no, teh tint between the PA MDs and Aimpoint MDs is more or less similar, but okay...
>and shitty switches
Also no
>and OP will eventually want a better optic
Are you him?
>>29852647
>front fork
>>29852800
Look at how big those fucking switches are. How could say that is not bulky. Either way it is 170 for a reason, and that is because it will not hold up well at all.
>>29852802
Yes, the the front fork of the front sight. You use the whole thing when using it as a close range sight as I described.
>>29852647
>Replace it later
>>29852753
>Shit Glass, and switches
>Bulky
Nigger what, it's actually pretty good glass
Switches are fine
You're not buying a $170 aimpoint or even replacement, stop thinking like this you fucking sperg
>Bulky
niggerwhat
>>29852817
Experience with both states otherwise. But you can live in your delusional gucci world anon.
>>29852817
>Switches
What, are you saying the intensity knob and windage turrets? Do you have downs syndrome?
Pic related, buttons are on the top
>>29852817
It's not $170 because it doesn't hold up well, it'll just do fine for 99% of people on this board, and 90% of people in general
Stop trying to justify your $700 optic by comparing it to a budget one
>>29852834
Called a front sight post.
>>29852843
Where did I say that Aimpoints are 170? I said that he should put that 170 towards one, instead of wasting it on a budget optic.
>>29852849
>Experience
>Cutting the pie in your own house playing make believe
>Shooting at the range
Yeah, I am sure you are so experienced. Why don't Joes take them over seas then?
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>>29852817
That's the basic version. As in, not the one I linked to the OP which has a layout -exactly- like an Aimpoint MD (brightness settings aside, which for the MD-ADS is a set of flush buttons on top), and is exactly the same in terms of size and weight...
>picrelated
>Either way it is 170 for a reason, and that is because it will not hold up well at all.
Oh for fuck's sake, if you're going to make me spoonfeed you further, fine.
http://web.archive.org/web/20160328233807/http://www.tacticalsandwich.com/primary-arms-micro-dot-ultimate-torture-test/
>Site is down and has to be accessed via webarchive, but the results are still there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pajDIPDNyOw
If the dot can be submerged long-term, used as a baseball, shot -twice- and still function and hold zero, why the fuck would it not be fine for HD for someone on a budget? This, again, is not saying it is just as good as an Aimpoint H-1/T-1. Anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves. But stop being retarded and acting like this proven optic is an unreliable shitheap when it has repeatedly shown to be anything but. It is more than okay for a rifle being used as HD. Will it survive his house being burned down to the goddamned foundation like an Aimpoint? I would shit my pants in surprise if it did. But, barring that, there's nothing that's going to happen to it in an HD scenario that ti couldn't pass with flying colors.
>>29852910
>You're not buying a $170 aimpoint or even replacement
>Where did I say that Aimpoints are 170?
>reading comprehension
>I don't understand implied meanings
I mean, you call a front sight post a "front fork" so I shouldn't be surprised you're fucking retarded
>>29852935
Mine is an MD-ADS it shows the buttons in >>29852880
>>29852880
>Buttons
That makes it worse.
>Stop trying to justify your $700 optic by comparing it to a budget one
Typical fucking poor fag. Over inflates the price of shit he can't afford to make himself feel smarter for buying cheap.
Aimpoint pros go on sale for 350 all of the time, though they are usually 400-450.
>>29852886
No, the single post in the middle is the front sight post, the whole thing is what I was talking about.
>>29852957
>No, the single post in the middle is the front sight post, the whole thing is what I was talking about.
Then yes, that's called a front sight.
I get it, you were just acting retarded, relax mate.
>>29852935
>Buttons
>I mean, you call a front sight post a "front fork" so I shouldn't be surprised you're fucking retarded
No the front post is just the single post in the middle, when putting the front fork on top of your rear peep, you use this whole thing.
>>29852957
>Poorfag
Okay, you got me there, post your AR and show us how rich you are
>Aimpoint pros go on sale for 350 all of the time
We are talking about T2's and micros, you're all over the place.
>Buttons make it worse
Yes, because a solution that offers the ability to remeber your previous setting, and doesn't require fiddling with a knob is bad
>>29852976
>Then yes, that's called a front sight.
Yes, but I was only talking about the top part, not the whole base.
>>29853008
Yes, that's called a front sight.
>>29852996
>We are talking about T2's and micros, you're all over the place.
No you are, I am talking about quality red dots, which aimpoint makes many different models of.
>Yes, because a solution that offers the ability to remeber your previous setting, and doesn't require fiddling with a knob is bad
How retarded are you that using a nob that spins in only two directions is fucking difficult.
>>29853061
How retarded are you to think pushing a button 1 direction is difficult
>I'm talking about quality red dots
Then compare with Vortex or compare the PROs and MROs with the larger red dots, not micros, it's apples and oranges
>Still being btfo because my $170 optic will work jsut as well as your $700 t2 micro
stay mad
>>29853107
>Still being btfo because my $170 optic will work jsut as well as your $700 t2 micro
Not him, and not saying most of your ideas are wrong, but this is an objectively wrong statement. If you were specific to, it works just as well for my purposes, that's fine, but there are very clear reasons the price tag sky rockets.
>>29853137
The reason it's high is because materials, QC and extreme durability
I am in no way saying they're the same optic, nor is it a T2 replacement or stand-in
I'm just saying, you're buying a $170 red dot that is fairly durable, fairly well put together and fairly well received.
Also, when I say "will work jsut as well" it will work just as well in the 99% of use cases seen by users of this board.
I'm not saying get it if you have t2 money on your hand and you want a t2, but I'm saying it's a good budget optic that people shit on because they've never used them and like meme-spouting
To quote nick "There is literally nothing wrong with the Primary Arms microdot"
>>29852990
>fork
They're called LEAVES you fucking noguns retard
>>29852957
>Aimpoint pros
You just got done calling an irrelevant PA MD "bulky", and now you're suggesting 30mm RDs?
I'm kinda curious what your AR looks like.
>>29853190
That's fair, was just pointing out circumstances depends it's kinda off to say, will work just as well in a sweeping way. Yes, I'm just being autistic about it lol.
>>29853252
He doesn't have one.
>>29853107
>How retarded are you to think pushing a button 1 direction is difficult
Its takes more time and is less tactile. Its not difficult, but a rotatory switch is better.
>Then compare with Vortex or compare the PROs and MROs with the larger red dots, not micros, it's apples and oranges
No its not apples and oranges, we are talking about red dots for HD. That means they are all applicable.
>>29853208
They aren't called leaves, they are called ears.
>>29853252
Its bulky for a shitty micro, which defeats its purpose.
>>29853325
I am building it, but I am smart enough to know that going cheap and impulsive is the wrong way to do things.
>>29850389
Mosberg 500 or an AK47
>>29853463
I didn't even suggest the basicbitch PA MD, so it's a non-fucking-issue. What I -did- suggest to OP was a PA MD that has the exact. same. fucking. profile as an Aimpoint MD.
At this rate, I'm guessing your AR is going to have a railed GB and at least one Punisher skull somewhere on it.
>>29853483
>I didn't even suggest the basicbitch PA MD, so it's a non-fucking-issue. What I -did- suggest to OP was a PA MD that has the exact. same. fucking. profile as an Aimpoint MD.
It has bulkier nobs, but that is besides the point, OP could save some money and in 1 month have enough for a Aimpoint pro.
Oh lawd, anon getting boody blasted about all kinds of shit!
ArmySyrupGuy and Ale_Gore dun fuckered you up bruh
>>29853463
>I am building it, but I am smart enough to know that going cheap and impulsive is the wrong way to do things.
It's not cheap and impulsive though, actually it's not too much more than a good set of irons, and since it has tons of solid reviews and tests done about it, you have a nice history of good operation.
Cheap and impulsive would be like jumping on some ptac shit out of the gate.
>>29853463
>I am building it
>I don't one yet but I sure as hell know everything about owning one already!
>>29853519
The sparc really fucking sucks, enjoy your 19MOA fuzzy fucking dot.
>>29853505
>It has bulkier nobs
Are you just not reading my posts or is this an attempt at distorting reality through sheer persistence and will?
>>29853547
>1st, not my gun
>2nd SPARC and SPARC II a shit
>3rst Aimpoint PRO mustard race
>>29853527
Except it is, because he will always need irons on his gun, and he should use the 170 to help pay for a better optic since he doesn't need a red dot.
>>29853541
>Implying owning an AR makes you an expert on budgeting your acquisitions properly.
Take it from a guy who has owned and sold many different guns. Probably so much that it has slowed down my AR-15 build. If I would have just saved my money and just gotten what I really wanted, I wouldn't have wasted money on things I wound up having to sell anyway.
>>29853566
Yes
>>29853554
The one with buttons still has bulkier adjustment knobs you stupid fuck.
>>29853574
>and he should use the 170 to help pay for a better optic since he doesn't need a red dot.
Who the fuck are you to tell him what he needs and doesn't need? A red dot is not some shit gimmick you mong, and that specific one has tons of good reviews. Post your guns.
>>29853574
Dude, like your whole argument is weaker then Stephen Hawking's knees
PA MD-ADS has a 50k battery life, there is literally no need to turn it off, ever. It also has buttons and not knobs.
>Take it from a guy who has owned and sold many different guns
How bout naw
>>29853463
>going cheap and impulsive is the wrong way to do things.
Pretty sure OP can get his basic bitch AR since it's his first long gun.
Shoot it.
Practice with it.
Really use it if he ever needs it.
He gave a budget, which means he isn't rolling in cash.
For what the OP has described, a PA gives him what he is looking for at a fraction of the cost of aimpoint. Unless OP expects to take his rifle out to war, attend multiple shooting classes, or drag it around for the next few decades because aliens came and fucked everything up, he has time and future possibilities to upgrade to an aimpoint.
If he chooses not to drop further cash, then he just saved himself a few hundred dollars.
I personally am eyeing the Trijicon MRO.
>>29853586
>Who the fuck are you to tell him what he needs and doesn't need?
You are the one insisting he spend 170 dollars on an optic that he doesn't need. If he "wants" a red dot, he should save up for one that is made better.
>>29853611
>posts guns with an old as fuck timestamp
>thinks this means anything
Wat even.
>he doesnt need a red dot
>he should save up for a red dot
While you're at it post some kind of instructor credentials.
>>29853581
Good luck with your rifle, anon. Something tells me you'll find a way to turn it into something that will be outclassed by a Sportical.
>>29853609
>Trijicon MRO
Unless you like a .25x power scope that gives you double vision, look else where.
>>29853574
>Take it from a guy who has owned and sold many different guns. Probably so much that it has slowed down my AR-15 build
why on earth would I take advice on impulsiveness and budgeting from someone who just admitted to suffering from it?
This isn't some newfound discovery wisdom that only you recently came upon, anon.
>>29853611
>I am not a poorfag
No, just someone who enjoys throwing away money that really didn't need to be...which is showcased by you being an HKfaggot.
>>29853603
>PA MD-ADS has a 50k battery life, there is literally no need to turn it off, ever. It also has buttons and not knobs.
It has knobs you retard.
>>29853609
>For what the OP has described, a PA gives him what he is looking for at a fraction of the cost of aimpoint.
If he is on a budget he should not spend his money on non-essentials. Irons with a light are fine for HD. In a couple months he can get a proper red dot.
>I personally am eyeing the Trijicon MRO.
Me too, because I am doing a light weight build. Unlike the other idiots in this post, I will go a couple of months with just irons so I can save up for the optic I actually want.
>>29853625
so it's not true 1x?
Good to know.
Hell, I might just go prism mainly cause I got a little bit of astigmatism going on and the dot looks a little like a star, but that field of view when I looked through it was pretty neato.
>>29853648
>Irons with a light are fine for HD
But a red dot with light are even better, and an optic that can do just fine that he can get sooner rather than later has already been suggested before you went into a retard rage that may be the first case of prepurchase rationalization I've ever seen here
>>29853611
>lecturing people on spending money on "shitty" compromise RDs and not saving up for "proper" ones
>has a $75 Streamlight
>>29853655
>PA MD-ADS
Its has enough magnification to give you this annoying as fuck double vision.
>>29853648
Caps and knobs are different retard.
>>29851388
>B5 stock
lol
>>29853616
>>posts guns with an old as fuck timestamp
>>thinks this means anything
>Wat even.
You are like a woman, no matter what I post, you are so hell bent on your opinion that you will just find some way to trash my guns.
>he doesnt need a red dot
>he should save up for a red dot
While you're at it post some kind of instructor credentials.
If he wants a red dot he should get one from a reputable manufacture. Every instructor would say this.
>>29853621
Its going to be a lightweight build with KMR and Faxon pencil barrel, of many things.
>>29853630
>why on earth would I take advice on impulsiveness and budgeting from someone who just admitted to suffering from it?
Are fucking stupid, I just displayed exactly why I am qualified to speak on this. I experienced exactly what you are telling OP to do first hand. I am telling him not to do what I did. You are telling him to do what I did, even after you admit you know it was stupid.
>>29853645
>No, just someone who enjoys throwing away money that really didn't need to be...which is showcased by you being an HKfaggot.
I used to be like you, even worse I listened to people like you. 3 glocks, 1 sig, 1 CZ, and one VP9 later, I realize that when you do research and see there is something you really want, just get that, and don't get the cheaper thing everyone tells you to get.
I shoot Hammer fired HKs better than my Glocks
>>29853709
>You are like a woman, no matter what I post, you are so hell bent on your opinion that you will just find some way to trash my guns.
Bro, he tried to prove he has guns, by posting likely someone elses guns.
>If he wants a red dot he should get one from a reputable manufacture. Every instructor would say this.
And PA is a reputable manufacturer, you don't know anything about it do you?
>>29851637
>$515 for A2 FSB and delta rings
Wew
>>29853709
> be a lightweight build with KMR and Faxon pencil barrel
What happened to quality buy once cry once shit anon?
>>29853709
> I realize that when you do research and see there is something you really want, just get that, and don't get the cheaper thing
:^
>>29853667
>But a red dot with light are even better,
Yes it is, but it isn't necessary, especially if its going to make you buy something cheaper when you should save up for something better.
>an optic that can do just fine that he can get sooner rather than later has already been suggested before you went into a retard rage that may be the first case of prepurchase rationalization I've ever seen here
I am not the one raging, the rest of you are, because you think OP should spend money on something sub-par, and I told him to save it for ammo or a higher end light.
He doesn't need a red dot now, so he should wait and get something better later. You people are telling him to buy the same shit you have just so you can feel better about your purchases.
>>29853684
I got it for free in the rebate, and its good for what a pistol light does. I would never put it on a rifle that might get banged around. Its fine for a pistol that will sit in a holster. It also doesn't require adapters.
>Caps and knobs are different retard.
They are still bulky and they are still there.
>>29853762
>and its good for what a pistol light does
Never change, anon.
>>29853732
What's wrong anon, don't like QUALITY?
>>29850389
OP please never read or take advice from user >>29853519 (StupidHoosier).
He is a complete prick which doesn't understand a single bit about weapons. He is too AR biased and a complete mongoloid who doesn't even speak/type proper english. Typical fat ass keyboard commando with a hint of autism.
>>29853709
>Are fucking stupid, I just displayed exactly why I am qualified to speak on this.
so what you're saying is that you not only have impulsiveness in buying shit, but now that you seemed to have discovered your own personal problems, you are now the authority on how OTHER PEOPLE should approach a problem you have?
You do realize that while impulsive buying isn't the best thing ever, it affects everyone differently, right? That different people have different degrees of what they accept and not accept to do in their lives, right?
>>29853762
>They are still bulky and they are still there.
bruh
>its good for what a pistol light does
> I would never put it on a rifle that might get banged around
>Its fine for a pistol that will sit in a holster
So why do you own a holster for a gun you won't carry?
>>29853751
Not even that anon, but fuck paying $200 for an M2 UTL with a shitty 40 lumen incandescent bulb.
Some people would prefer not to fuck around with rail adapters which add ugly unnecessary bulk.
>>29853790
Got fuckin reked in /arg/ and now you here. LOL!
>never gave OP advise to begin with
Got anymore of that low quality bait anon?
>>29853807
Who said anything about an M2 UTL? I mean, if we're not going to compromise on anything, ever, clearly this is the only option for a pistol light.
>>29853811
>Got fuckin reked in /arg/ and now you here. LOL!
What are you even talking about ?
>>29853818
Point being that the TLR-3 is the only other pistol light that attaches directly to the USP's frame without a rail adapter, that's why that anon bought an $80 light
>>29853833
It's ok anon, it's ok.
>>29853838
So anon is compromising quality and reliability for the sake of a rail adapter? For shame. :^
>>29853838
>that's why that anon bought an $80 light
>>29853762
>I got it for free in the rebate, and its good for what a pistol light does
Lol
>>29853731
>Bro, he tried to prove he has guns, by posting likely someone elses guns.
>And PA is a reputable manufacturer, you don't know anything about it do you?
Yeah reputable for making cheap knock off garbage
>>29853739
Whats wrong with that?
>>29853751
I didn't spend money on it, it was free. So yeah, I didn't spend money on the cheaper thing.
>>29853784
Considering I can buy an Aero M4E1 upper with handguard and sans BCG and CH like BCM, you probably don't come out much in price adding cheapo standard carbine handguard to BCM (with BCG and CH obviously), but the fact I am getting a good quality handguard and free float system is a lot better deal.
>>29853868
>no timestamps
Who cares tho? Saying their reputable for shit when they have amazing reviews doesn't mean anything besides you're a liar.
>>29853868
KMR is kinda bendy for my liking and pencil barrels are not really all that great for accuracy.
Good enough? Sure
But the KMR bends far to easy to be useful IMHO
>>29853868
Do I even want to know what that FCG in your AR is? The rest of that pic is a trainwreck.
> I didn't spend money on the cheaper thing.
So you'd rather just have the cheap compromise because it was free than spend money on the REEEEEEL DEEEEEEL? :^
>>29853778
Yeah, pistols don't get slammed around or used as harshly as rifles do. That being said I didn't buy the thing.
>>29853791
>so what you're saying is that you not only have impulsiveness in buying shit,
I did, and I learned from it, and now I am trying to stop OP from making my mistakes.
>but now that you seemed to have discovered your own personal problems, you are now the authority on how OTHER PEOPLE should approach a problem you have?
Have you ever heard of Wisdom you stupid autistic fagot. You are pretty much saying that the only people who are trust worthy are people who never made mistakes. Those people don't exist. Fucking /k/ids I fucking swear.
>You do realize that while impulsive buying isn't the best thing ever, it affects everyone differently, right? That different people have different degrees of what they accept and not accept to do in their lives, right?
Are you saying that it is ok to be impulsive if it makes you feel better? Is this why you don't feel bad for stuffing Doritos and cheetos down your fuckhole?
>>29853798
>So why do you own a holster for a gun you won't carry?
Who said I don't carry it? Either way its good to have hoslters for guns incase you have to carry in an emergency, or to just have a place holder for a loaded gun in a safe or something.
Are you noguns?
>>29853868
what a letdown of a picture.
This is akin to someone who owns a Kia, put all his time into researching cars that he would like to own, then debating on why other people need to buy the best cars or not buy a car at all.
>>29853927
>Are you noguns?
according to most on here, yes
I had no idea though. Could have sworn I spent all my shekels on guns.
>>29853927
>pistols don't get slammed around or used as harshly as rifles do
Spoiler; a rifle in an HD scenario probably isn't going to be bashed around to the point that an optic rated for being blasted by a shotgun twice and still retaining functionality and zero will be rendered useless. Get that shit outta here, son.
>and learn to clean your carpet, have some pride in your living space
![WP_20160331_007[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/p52S9b4.jpg "WP_20160331_007[1].jpg")
>>29853943
Get that MOE stock off pronto, nigga.
>>29853956
Lol, all I spend my money on are MOE and MilSpec stocks. I really dont mind the wiggle.
![WP_20160126_005[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OUMiXe5.jpg "WP_20160126_005[1].jpg")
>>29853985
Just get a CTR or something, Christ. Fucking Kike.
>>29854009
Yeah, I know I should. I just look at the money it costs to upgrade and would rather spend it on ammo, mags, batteries for all my lumens and NVG and other bits of shit.
Probably will put a B5 on the SBR down the road.
>>29853838
I didn't buy it.
>>>29853850
Whats wrong with the TLR-3
>>29853881
>amazing reviews
Wow people who bought them want other people to think they own something cool, well what do you know.
>>29853906
>KMR is kinda bendy for my liking and pencil barrels are not really all that great for accuracy.
Are you fucking retarded? I am making a light weight build. I said this already.
Also they are fine for 500-600 meters which is all the cartridge is good for, its not an accuracy build we are talking about here.
>Good enough? Sure
But the KMR bends far to easy to be useful IMHO
It only bends so easily because you have fat as fuck arms hanging off of the thing. Thats the stupidest complaint I have ever heard for a rail especially since it is not true.
>>29853910
>Do I even want to know what that FCG in your AR is? The rest of that pic is a trainwreck.
Its an ARG trigger
>So you'd rather just have the cheap compromise because it was free than spend money on the REEEEEEL DEEEEEEL? :^
I don't like the Adapters on the USP fullsizes, so no I wont be changing it since there is nothing wrong with Streamlight, but PA is conspicuously absent from the guns of people who matter.
>>29853933
See what I mean, you are a woman.
>>29853945
>Spoiler; a rifle in an HD scenario probably isn't going to be bashed around to the point that an optic rated for being blasted by a shotgun twice and still retaining functionality and zero will be rendered useless.
A rifle is a main weapon, that OP will also use in happenings too. A pistol will sit in that holster during happenings. Protecting from the outside elements.
As for the carpet, my chair flakes, and I have dogs that like to tear up toys in my room. I clean on the weekends.
>>29854042
Then buy the KMR, I really don't give a flying rat fuck what you spend your money on. I'll never know you and you have no effect on my day to day life. If you wanna spend your money on a KMR, then do so. Also, build a fuckin light weight build then. No idea why, but go for it. Not like a standard M4gery ways that much anyways.
>>29854078
Seriously whats wrong with the KMR Alpha?
>>29854042
>Its an ARG trigger
So not only do you settle for second-place pistol lights while lecturing people on not buying RDs that aren't DA BEST, but you also settle for what is literally a milspec FCG touched up with some polish. Not a Geissele, not even a Timney. An ACT.
> there is nothing wrong with Streamlight
There's nothing wrong with a MD-ADS for HD either you hypocritical little fuckwit. :^
>but PA is conspicuously absent from the guns of people who matter
Hahahaha, what the fuck even is this? You get provided with tests of reliability and durability, but it doesn't mean squat if Christ Costa isn't rocking it while posing in front of a bunch of Nip fans.
>>29854095
The Alpha? Nothing that I know of. BCM made the Alpha out of 6061 like it should have been from the get go. The original KMR is a Alum/Mag mix that is soft as fuck and bends under its own pressure.
>>29854066
>A rifle is a main weapon, that OP will also use in happenings too
Then don't you think the whole
>$700 budget
Doesn't exactly fucking fly in that scenario, either?
>>29854042
>Its an ARG trigger
With all the preaching you've been doing I would have expected it to be a geissele, timney, or cmc. I assume you will tell me ALG is "good enough" and by that logic Primary Arms should be just fine too.
>>29854101
>So not only do you settle for second-place pistol lights while lecturing people on not buying RDs that aren't DA BEST, but you also settle for what is literally a milspec FCG touched up with some polish. Not a Geissele, not even a Timney. An ACT.
I build guns for combat, not the bench. I want a stronger more durable trigger with better springs and smoother coatings.
>There's nothing wrong with a MD-ADS for HD either you hypocritical little fuckwit. :^
Buttons
>Hahahaha, what the fuck even is this? You get provided with tests of reliability and durability, but it doesn't mean squat if Christ Costa isn't rocking it while posing in front of a bunch of Nip fans.
Name one instructor who recommends these?
>>29854119
>Doesn't exactly fucking fly in that scenario, either?
You can make a 700 dollar combat rifle though. Just can't put a shitty PA RD on it.
>>29854124
The ARG is durable, which is good enough. I don't need a hair pin trigger on a light weight build.
>>29854149
The Primary Arms Micro is also durable, which by your logic should be "it's good enough".
>>29854125
>I build guns for combat, not the bench
Kek'd. Like, legit. Props.
>. I want a stronger more durable trigger
Well now I just flat-out -know- you're a dipshit. Thanks.
>Buttons
Literally pointless argument on your part.
>Name one instructor who recommends these?
Are you really this much of a tryhard or is it an act?
>>29854149
> I don't need a hair pin trigger
I think I'll just leave you to educate yourself on what Geissele has to offer, because spoonfeeding you facts to correct your blatant ignorance on the MD-ADS sure as shit didn't do any good and I'm more than a bit sloshed at this point.
>>29854125
>I build guns for combat
You know the military uses geissele triggers....right?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_444/209298_Military_using_Geissele_triggers_.html
>>29854161
No, its not durable. It also has shitty controls and shitty glass.
>>29854167
Answer the questions faggot. Also it has buttons.
>>29854179
I don't care, this is a light weight build that needs to be good enough to reach 500 meters accurately, which is will. I will save money where it counts, but one of those areas that I wont fuck around is sights.
>>29854192
I never said Geissele's weren't good, they just aren't necessary on a gun that is built for basic civilian combat.
>>29854226
>I never said Geissele's weren't good, they just aren't necessary on a gun that is built for basic civilian combat.
I'd say you're so far up your own ass you're beyond smelling shit and have moved on to, hopefull, peptic ulcers. Like, the cognitive dissonance here is at EU Committee levels.
>>29854226
>I never said Geissele's weren't good, they just aren't necessary on a gun that is built for basic civilian combat.
OP was looking for advice on "long gun for home defense" not "I'm fighting ISIS near the Turkish border" so why would OP need mil spec optics on a home defense gun when there are other options for less that work just as well? "basic civilian combat" as you call it.
If you don't like Primary Arms or Holosun, fine but don't try and push a optic that costs almost the same amount as the gun when the budget listed is 700. Not everyone makes light weight combat rifles like you do
>>29854125
There is nothing about a Geissele trigger that will make it any less strong or durable than your shitty glammed up basicbitch trigger you ignorant retard.
>OP's face when this thread
>>29854280
In fairness it's hard to resist smacking down a loudmouthed idiot who thinks he knows everything
>>29854273
>OP was looking for advice on "long gun for home defense" not "I'm fighting ISIS near the Turkish border" so why would OP need mil spec optics on a home defense gun when there are other options for less that work just as well? "basic civilian combat" as you call it.
Basic civilian combat refers to riot control too. We all know this has happened in the US at least. I still don't think PA is good for civilian combat.
>>29854276
I never said it wasn't durable, just that it wasn't necessary on a non-accuracy build.
>>29854357
And a T-2 Aimpoint isn't necessary for a budget HD gun you oblivious nimrod. Fuck.
>>29854370
I never said it was, I said OP should save his money and not buy a Red dot at all until it is one from a better manufacturer.
I don't think OP should ever get a T-1, he should get an Aimpoint Pro.
Bump for /arg/.
