Bug Out Bag Rifles
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Hey /k/ommandos, I need suggestions for a bug out bag I'm assembling for my wife. She's 5'6, 130lb. I've got everything from a-z, except rifle. I'm currently looking at Henry Arm's take on the AR-7 Survival rifle.
Any other ideas? Remember : Light, Reliable, Easy to Use/Maintain/Disassemble/Stow and Carry.
Thanks in advance.
(pic related, fully disassembled AR-7)
>>29809507
From what I've read, you'd be better off with a Ruger 10/22 takedown. Supposedly the new AR-7's are complete trash and even the older ones (which are supposedly 'okay') are inferior to the Ruger 10/20 takedown.
I had toyed with the idea of getting an AR-7 a while ago, but I ended up with the takedown. I'm satisfied with my decision.
>>29809507
I have an AR 7 (the Henry survival one) and it's a piece of shit. Won't eject a round. 2 gun smiths later, no answers. Still will not eject every 2nd or 3rd round. Get something else. My neos works every time, even with shit ammo
>>29809529
>>29809577
Fuck. Honestly I was about to order one, the whole "super light and super stow able" aspect is pretty fucking hypnotizing. Ruger 10/22 looks pretty promising, but I hate the stock stock, but it looks like there are tonnes of different non oem stocks.
>>29809507
Build a super light weight AR-15. You could probably get an AR-15 with a pencil barrel under 6lbs.
>>29809619
Ruger 10/22 is really popular. Also lots of accessories and aftermarket parts for 10/22's.
It's reliable, which should be number one in your 'must haves' for a rifle you or a loved one may need to count on one day. It's portable, fairly light weight, easy to care for, widely owned, and inexpensive. Can't go wrong with the 10/22.
>>29809619
>>29809687
Also this. .223/5.56 is obviously heavier which limits how much ammo you can bring with you, but you can just separate the lower from the upper and stuff an AR-15 into a sack. It all depends on your needs.
You can kill people and small game with .22 if you need to, and a brick of 500 rounds is pretty light weight compared what 500 rounds of 5.56 would weight. It just comes down to deciding what your primary needs are.
>>29809507
Marlin Papoose, just got one not too long ago, no problems so far, plus it's very light weight and has a takedown barrel
>>29809687
This guy managed to make a lightweight build under 4 pounds.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1005966
I like the little rossi single shot .410s they teak down quickly and can fit in most medium sized back packs
>>29809507
Chiappa little badger. Cheap, reliable, accurate, almost no parts to fail, light as hell
>>29811303
Also ugly as fuck.
>>29811368
Opinion
>>29809507
I'd do the SU-22 if she's uncomfortable with handling 5.56, but these are fun rifles. 1 pin assembly, folding, etc
http://www.keltecweapons.com/su-16-and-su-22-rifles/
>>29809507
Keep "Length of Pull" in mind (distance from end of buttstock to trigger). Sounds like your wife is built like mine, and her max LOP is 12". Most guns are 14-15", and it makes a huge difference in terms of accuracy, stability, and enjoyment. Bad LOP is a huge contributor to "chick lean". Even a lot of compact/youth models are too long; a Savage Axis Youth is 13.5", which is usually an adult male length (most Savages are too long in general, at least for 5' 7" me).
A Rossi 62 takedown is an excellent option. Watch used racks. Cheap, accurate, reliable, and small, and, eats many flavors of .22.
>>29809507
>>29811509
Also, a sub-2000 isn't a bad choice. Not gonna get you through the happening, but it'll get you from point A to point B.
>>29809507
When it takes 15 seconds to join an AR upper and lower and push in the takedown pins, remind me what the point of buying a takedown .22lr for a bugout bag is? Rimfire a shit
>>29811518
Ammo is lighter so you can carry more. Doesn't blow squirrels apart so you can eat them.
Basically the only reasons.
>>29811552
.223 is a varmint round though
it's hard to conceive of a situation where you'll be forced to eat squirrels and only squirrels and not need to possibly defend yourself at the same time
IMO a better solution would be an AR and something like a U22 or a Buck Mark II with a burris FFIII or something
>>29809507
Ruger 10/22 takedown if you want semi auto
chiappa little badger in 22 mag for more better power.
>>29811689
22 mag costs more but still not a bad choice
>>29811725
the 22mag chiappa can shoot 22lr out of it, for plinking yeah, you're absolutely right, but ammo choice is never a bad thing.
I have a regular 22lr little badger in my secondary BOB/INCH bag.
My primary INCH bag I have the Chiappa X-caliber set for a 12 gauge, which goes with my Savage 24F combo gun in 223/12gauge. I have one additional caliber conversion barrel for 223 to 22lr. I could have gone with the Chiappa X-
caliber 12 over 22lr with the barrel inserts but that doesnt give you a centerfire rifle option that I get with the 24F.
I also have a alternate BOB set up specifically for combat and an AR and G19 that go with that bag.
>>29811518
simplicity, weight, size
>>29809507
Dont get that piece of shit. Get the 10/22 takedown instead
>>29811859
The bullet, neck and rim diameters of 22lr vs 22mag are different...you can't safely shoot a 22lr out of a 22mag chamber without risking case rupture or worse.
>>29809507
Has anyone ever used a bug out bag ever?
>>29812565
I doubt anyone has.
>>29812565
yes, the same people who've been saying for the past couple of decades that they'll move to Canada if X gets elected
>>29811859
How do you like the X-caliber?
>>29812565
Sure.
I know a guy who busted his out to camp in his mom's back yard. Also another guy who ran out of gas and had to walk to a station like 3 miles away. He caught a ride back but had he not had that space blanket and those MREs he might have been in trouble. Also it was drizzling rain so his tarp came in super handy.
>>29812661
>3 miles away
>had he not had that space blanket and those MREs he might have been in trouble
holy fucking hell I hope this is bait
did he also need a helicopter medevac after suffering sheer psychological trauma from running out of gas?
>>29812565
I did once. Long story but it was to avoid getting arrested. I couldn't let the police find out who I was after doing something stupid so I spent two days hiding in a snow ditch. I was actually pretty comfortable. Be sure to have shit to pass the time in your BOB
>>29812565
Yes
>Katrina
>earthquakes
>tsunamis
>volcanoes
>military occupation
>door to door confiscations
>housefire
You won't need everything in your bag for all of these scenarios, but chances are you live somewhere that is affected by earth, wind, people, or water.
I know people that made a small fortune selling stuff from their bugout bags after the Northridge Earthquake. People were giving away gold jewelry for cans of beans.
We are simple folks. Got us each a bubba'd SKS with folder. They fit nicely in a 5.11 72hr rush. Keeping a mini draco each. Ammo is compatible. Keep 100 rnds on us to make it to our storage location. We have our ccws as well.
>>29812565
I have several that I use regularly. Different pre-packed bags for different types of camping, road trips, and so forth. I keep a couple at home, a couple in my vehicle, and I've left bags at the homes of various friends, family, and drop locations in places that I visit frequently or semi-frequently.
Just in my vehicle, I keep a week's worth of clothing and such in a backpack, another innawoods bag, a small duffel bag full of several weeks' worth of food, a roadside emergency kit, and a decent med kit (I'm an EMT)--I have to replace or maintain items used from these BoBs at least once a month, but usually more often.
Having all those supplies in my vehicle lets me take spontaneous zero-preparation road trips and not worry about getting stranded somewhere. It also lets me take care of people who're having a bad day on the road. I really didn't realize how much I'd use that kit until I had it with me all the time--my BoBs are suitable for SHTF bugging out, but are usually just used for generic fun adventures.
>>29812565
Just this last winter I had to use mine. We knew a really bad blizzard was coming in, and our apartment complex was so isolated that we left to go stay with my wife's family. I took my guns, our extra food, extra water, and a first aid kit.
I had it all put into my BOB weeks in advance since we had 2 weeks notice that our weather was most likely going to get nasty.
Chiappa X-caliber
>>29812629
i dont have the actual gun, just the barrel conversion kit.
the kit works in break action 12 gauges, so it works in my savage
![AR7-xray[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zt7h3yb.jpg "AR7-xray[1].jpg")
>>29809507
>>29809529
>>29809577
why can't the AR-7 just be good? why do I always have to hear shit about it being unreliable and/or sensitive? god damn it Henry, it's a fuckin SURVIVAL rifle.
the design is fucking awesome. yes, there are takedown rifles - but they don't fit inside the fucking stock. you still have to haul around the barrel and mags, whereas the AR-7 holds everything inside the stock. that is god-tier portability
plz someone tell me the AR-7 is fixable or someone else makes a competing design
>>29811303
mirin buttplate ammo storage
>>29812534
>case rupture
what, you find a magical way to reload 22lr that you're worried about?
>or worse
its a single shot 22 rifle. considering that chiappa advertised the ability to fire 22lr out of the 22mag version then its probably safe.
again, this is out of a single shot rifle. I certainly wouldnt try it with a semi or even a revolver
>>29812746
fyi that barrel conversion kit is heavy as fuck
>>29812565
look for people with dirty bags/used equipment
thinking just having gear will help you is retarded. even having crap gear that you've used a lot is loads better than having top tier gear you've only ever played dressup in
>>29812565
Better to have and not need than need and not have.
>>29813019
If it weren't for US laws requiring a 16" barrel, it would be a lot easier to create a good survival rifle. The barrel could remain attached to the action and it wouldn't have to sit beside it in the stock (making the stock wide as fuck).
I posted this in the other thread (actually, it was on /out/), but what to people think about this?
2lb 9oz without the scope, scope is 8.5oz. Single shot .22lr savage. It has an accutrigger so it's not terrible. According to the post it's under 2 MOA with decent ammo.
The author suggests that the weight could be reduced by about a pound with a carbon fiber barrel.
Link:
http://woodtrekker.blogspot.com/2014/06/ultralight-backpacking-rifle-savage.html
>>29812565
I take mine hiking for the extra weight. It's not so much a bug out bag but it carries basic shelter tools, 3 days of water, 7 days of food, cooking equipment, snare and trap equipment and water purification. Plus your standard survival tools.
If I'm going with people I might swap out some of the stuff to better fit group needs.
Never had to "bug out" but I've used it to spend a couple days practicing bushcraft.
>>29812686
Bruh
greentext that up
>>29813348
Savage rascal isn't to bad. It's got 2 nuts on the bottom side that detaches the barrel and action so it could easily fit in a backpack. Pretty good peep sights on them too.
Much more pleasing to look at than a badger.
my buddy has an SU-16A rifle and to be honest, it's pretty legit.
held up to the mud and dirt in Maine with no jams
![414-355-CIMG1782[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/yRi2SXX.png "414-355-CIMG1782[1].png")
>>29814201
>>29813019
The worst thing about it is the stock is fuck-huge and feels cheap. I wanted one bad until I held one. Not worth the $350 they want for it
>>29809507
Ruger 10/22 takedown. If you want even smaller and lighter, go with the Marlin 70PSS Papoose. It takes 795 mags.
>>29809507
10/22 takedown, those Chiappa .22/410 O/U youth guns, there's more I'm forgetting, but that's all I remember right now.
>>29815768
Just looking at Marlin 70PSS stats. Disassembled length of 21", comes with detachable 7 round mag, but will accept factory 15 rounders. Unloaded weight is 3.25 lbs. Cost is right at $300, give or take. Comes with aa case that is supposed to float.
Ruger Takedown SR556
>http://www.ruger.com/products/sr556TD/models.html
>>29815859
>survival gun
>thin barrel
>de-attaches
lookin good
>the stock
No why pls
>>29814226
nope.
cant trust keltecs to function reliably
>>29812746
the sub inserts are shit
>There are people who would rely on .22 as a "survival" caliber
>>29809762
Seconded.
Floats like the AR7 if you have it in the case. And they're stainless.
Marlin 70 Papoose, if you can find one.
Chiappa Little Badger could work as a minimalist rifle, but its still rather clumsy for what it really is. Might be frail too.
I think its Savage that has a .22/.410 over under.
As said, you can do an AR under 6 pounds, but depending on what your plan is, that might not be the right rifle.
A .22 pistol might work too, if she's a decent shot. Any of the Rugers, Brownings, Smith & Wessons, or Berrettas should be fine.
>>29809529
Alright, I bought one of these around 15 years ago or so.
Full Disclosure: I still have it, and I paid $120 for it.
Rust develops easily on it. It rattles, and Isn't very comfortable.
It is cheap, it floats, and it hits what I need it to. Only had jams with excessive shooting (2000-3000 round weekends)
The 10-22 is more reliable, more accurate, and similarly priced. Although it doesn't float. (doesn't matter too much)
My bug out rifle, 4 pounds 12 ounces
Lower is spooky ghost gun
>>29818161
Also rate my rifle, shiney and gret parts are Ti
Spent about $2000 for this set up
>>29812565
I use mine for camping to familiarize myself with what works and what doesn't. It's nice just being able to come from work, change and get in the car for a 3 day hiking/fishing trip.
Feels nice living next to one of the largest reserves in the NE.
>>29811517
Sub 2000's are fantastic. I've got one in 9mm that takes Glock mags. literally the best gun to have if SHTF because 9mm and Glokc mags are fookin everywhere
>>29812746
FYI they're hunks of shit
>>29809507
too many fgts recommending garbage. 10/22 is a good choice but so is the Sub2000. 9mm is probably best since it is worlds most common pistol round and you can buy for dirt cheap. I have one in .40 and it's amazing. Plan on getting a 9mm eventually.
>>29817412
ask anyone who works at a range with rentals gun which rentals never fail. Kel Tecs will be on that list. While they definitely aren't made for combat, they are reliable.
>>29809507
Get a Draco pistol with wrist brace.
