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Old thread here >>29786077
>>29798647
Erste
https://youtu.be/HG6GI6LlpKs
Since the thread is rather new, i'm taking advantage and asking for experiences/knowledge in Hungarian FEG manufactured AKMs.
>how's the quality?
>are they reliable?
>are they accurate and good enough for sports shooting at ranges 100 meters and less?
I have a Saiga M3 (pic) and my dad uses the same thing, now he wants a rifle of his own, due to differences in our eye sights.
Califag here, thinking about selling this girl right here to s buddy and getting another Ak with a bayonet lug. It's the M10 M+M made from a Romanian parts kit, has about 2,000 rounds through it.
For the anon looking at optics, this is my saiga with the aimpoint pro and the rs regulate 30mm mount with forward bias.
Also another pic of my maadi for the anon who liked my wood.
can't decide between tricked tacticool wasr or vintage wooden wasr
Rate my 107 /k/
>>29799901
Either way you're rolling the dice to end up with a shit crooked WASR. Hope you end up with a decent one m8.. I recommend you save up for an arsenal or converted saiga
>>29799921
>I recommend you save up for an arsenal
>>29799921
>I recommend you save up for an arsenal or converted saiga
>ITT it's 2008
>>29799921
Arsenal won't be around much longer m8. Not like the company but their SLR series anyway. And I already have the WASR, Im just deciding between refinishing it or getting railed furniture
>>29799931
>>29799935
Would rather have flakey finish than a crooked ass rifle. Until the day bubbly finish diminishes the ability of a rifle to function properly, It'll be a viable thing to bitch about
Go look at a Arsenal and decide for your self mine a great rifle and I ain't to worried about the finish.
>>29800024
I wouldn't be surprised if that rifles shits out. Arsenal has been under a lot of strain to produce, quality probably suffered.
>>29800024
>Would rather have flakey finish than a crooked ass rifle
With an Arsenal, you don't have to choose, you get both right out of the box.
>>29800024
>Would rather have flakey finish than a crooked ass rifle.
No no no, keep going. This is actually really fun for me.
>>29800072
Does it zero ?
>>29800082
Nope.
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230730
>>29800078
If you turn the rifle upside down, and rock it using the sightbkeaf as the fulcrum, do the ears of the front sight both touch?
Just curious if this method works as a quick check
Could i get a vepr12 folding stock and stick it on a 5.45 vepr with no modification? I want a folding ak74 and converting a vepr seems like a good idea plus the vepr12 stocks look good to me.
>>29800072
>>29800078
>>29799935
>>29799931
So now that we know that Arsenal is finished, what's the next best option for an AK-74 in 5.45
>>29800115
Not him but that's a legit method of checking for cant. I always do it when inspecting AKs.
>>29800072
Did you not see that before you bought it ?
>>29800154
That's not mine, see: >>29800090
>>29800082
Probably just as well as this hypothetical canted WASR.
Point is, Arsenal's price tag is no guarantee you're getting a prefect rifle. In fact, they have some well-documented problems. No one's even mentioned the absolute dogshit trigger, for example.
Best price-to-quality ratio for a factory side-folder out there? Sure. They're not magical perfect weapons though, and can suffer from the same problems every AK can have, plus a few others specific to the brand that I find pretty unacceptable for a rifle that costs over a grand.
>>29799283
What model and importer?
>>29799931
>Oh, but wait, there is more...
CANCEL THE TEST
>>29800175
SHUT IT DOWN
>>29798647
>i'm interested in firearm anatomy
>i barely know how a magazine works
Am I cancerous enough?
>>29800090
It sounds like this guy didn't inspect the rifle before purchase
>Sisters boyfriend sees my WASR
>mentions his dad having some AK, can't remember
>says my barrel looks really stubby
w-what? It's a 16'', right?
>>29800195
Gotta start somewhere anon
>>29800201
Oh he fucked up without a doubt, but he's also not the one who made a rifle like that with an MSRP of over $1K.
>>29799931
>Oh, but wait, there's more
Jesus Christ.
2016; the year of the butthurt-inducing torture test. Can't wait.
>>29800201
But anon you don't have to inspect an Arsenal they come out of the box g2g except for maybe the finish is a little flakey. That's why you pay more for one, right?
Just ask this guy:
>>29800024
>>29799921
>>29800168
Meh I don't think it's that unreasonable 1000$ really is not that much plus is you properly inspect the rifle can't won't be an issue.
Tho the claims have been disheartening im not to worried because mine has been the best ak I owned and would still buy another one with inspections
>me thinks they hyping up thier video
>>29800134
Can you guys stop memeing for five seconds and help me out here
>>29799931
>>29799935
Kek.
That thread is going to break when Rob shows the shitty rivets and hammer turning to butter.
>>29800235
A DDI, saiga, or a kit build are pretty much your only other options.
>>29800230
>Visible rust and paint just falling off
They don't need to hype it, those pictures have generated enough butthurt to power the US for a year already.
>>29800230
>Meh I don't think it's that unreasonable 600$ really is not that much plus is you properly inspect the rifle can't won't be an issue.
You see my point? That line of reasoning applies to cheaper AKs too.
The only things an Arsenal will inherently do that a WASR won't is fold and lose its finish if you clean it with Hoppes.
>>29800251
DDI's are alright though right? Still got those legs that AK's have?
Anyone have an assembly guide of a Galil? I have a parts kit and receiver in the mail and I'd like to see if I can get it together myself.
>>29800284
DDI is fine. They're also making side folders soon. I'm not sure what your second question is asking.
>>29800145
Jesus Christ will you weld the holes up on that fucking Saiga already!
>#triggered
>>29800274
Well I agree on your point all I'm saying is that people are greeting butt hurt over speculation
>besides said pictures
Hopes works great on mine that all I use directly on the finish ?
>>29800293
By legs I mean longevity. AK's are supposed to last a long time, in some cases longer than their owners
>>29800313
DDI really hasn't been around all that long but they seem pretty solid.
>>29800312
Damn I saw a picture of a railed dust cover and I thought the fact the rails were so tall might be really bad but that looks really nice
>>29800319
Thank you m8. This whole time I thought I wanted Arsenal but I just need my '74, ya dig?
>>29800308
No, triggering you is more fun.
>>29800329
It's actually the sm-13 mount and it's nice imo chin weld is very mild and comfortable
>>29800312
>Hopes works great on mine that all I use directly on the finish ?
Dunno what to tell you except there's a lot of examples of solvents fucking up the paint and Arsenal themselves says not to use anything but CLP which should be a red flag to you as a buyer.
Arsenal finishes their guns with Dollar-store rattlecans and that should be unacceptable on a thousand-plus dollar rifle.
>>29800359
Well we'll find be out I'll post pics of my finish gets fucked up Tho up till now the rilfe has preformed with perfection
>imo
>>29800330
God, you're so close...
Just... Finish... The gun...
>>29800379
*if my finish gets fucked up
>>29800171
Don't know the model name, just that it's a hungarian AKM version converted from full fun to semi, sold by it's current civilian owner.
>>29800465
I think i should add that the gun has all wooden furniture, handguard doesn't have the "lumps" AK 74 models have.
It's also in damn good looking condition by the picture, and only costs 600€
>>29800195
Being interested in something is literally where learning begins. Nobody is born with an innate knowledge of firearm anatomy, you maniac.
>>29799931
>>29799935
WASR owners detected, how butthurt does somebody have to be to scrounge the web for arsenal problems because they're told over and over again how shitty their AKs are. Only to find measly problems with finish and a canted sight here and there.
There is no company that manufactures all AKs with straight sights. You have probability come into play. It's less probable that Araenal will be crooked, versus a WASR that is highly probable. Arsenal wouldn't have the reputation they do if all their rifles were shit. WASRs wouldn't have the reputation they have if their AKs weren't built by drunk monkeys. Congrats, your AK has nice finish, try finding one that isn't pot metal with balsa wood. Inspect your rifles before you buy them, problems solved
>>29800524
>N-no, it's fine to pay twice the price to get a rifle with the same issues
The damage control is hilarious.
>>29800524
>ow, my butt
>>29800524
>Another guy that thinks Century makes WASRs
>>29800569
>>N-no, it's fine to pay twice the price to get a rifle with the same issues plus a couple of issues the cheaper gun conspicuously lacks.
ftfy
>>29800588
>>29800569
Retard #1: "Wut? A logical argument backed by fax? I tend to avoid these how do I respond?"
Retard #2: " Idk m8, just call him butthurt, he'll never know what hit him."
Your daily reminder that the golden days of the ak are looooong behind us
>>29800832
>Thinks WASRs are made of potmetal and balsa wood
>Doesn't realize that WASRs have actually been pretty good for the past 5 years
>Thinks that Century makes WASRs instead of basically just importing them
>Thinks it's acceptable for a company that sells $1000 rifles to have similar QC and worse customer service than such a shitty competitor
The real Retard #1 was the person who made the initial post because they had no idea what they were talking about.
Holy shit just wait till Thursday so all you sheep can follow what the screen says
>>29800848
This. The best AKs were Norincos and Saigas, but Clinton and Obongo killed those. Veprs are good, but much too heavy to use over an AR as your go-to rifle.
>>29799283
Is dat sum Fab defense/mako group furniture ? Looks not too bad senpai
>>29800832
>Retard #1: "Wut? A logical argument backed by fax? I tend to avoid these how do I respond?"
>a logical argument backed by fax
>>29800524
Pick one
The only thing remotely resembling "fax" in that post is the admission that any AK, regardless of origin, has a chance of having canted sights.
The problem there is the posts you're replying to are saying the same thing, in response to another person saying "WASRs are crooked, spend more on an Arsenal so you don't have to worry about cant."
Which is demonstrably untrue. In fact, because WASRs have a rep for having canted sights, they're subject to more scrutiny at most QC stages, right down to customer inspection, so you're pretty unlikely to actually get a crooked WASR in 2016.
Arsenal has the opposite problem: a reputation for perfect rifles. Which means that something like canted parts, or rust under the paint are more likely to slip through QC because supposedly you don't have to worry about it. Which is what leads to shit like >>29799935, >>29800072, and >>29800078.
If you have "fax" other than "lol WASRs are shit for having as many or fewer issues than Arsenal umad poorfags" I'd love to hear them, but quit acting like right now you're doing anything other than parroting memes from 2008 that were only half-true then.
>>29800982
Lovin it
>>29800982
Honestly I'm sadder about Norincos than Saigas.
>>29799283
They work. Mines a little tank, little on the lighter side and the barrel is a little long and gets hot quick but I haven't had any problems with the past 1000 rounds
>>29801050
What furniture is that senpai ?
>>29801050
Please get rid of that ported gas tube and tighten your gas tube lever, that's triggering me something fierce.
>>29801173
I'll do it as soon as you get rid of that horrid Windows Phone.
>>29801195
But why do you have an AK47 gas tube on a rifle you're clearly trying to make into an AKM
>>29801195
Free upgrade over my relic of a CLIQ and I don't use a phone for anything other than calling, texting, music, and picture taking a few times a day. Now, take your pick and unfuck your gun.
http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/AKM-GAS-TUBE-USED-35p4191.htm
https://www.k-var.com/shop/AK-080B.html
https://www.legionusa.com/ak-gas-tube-genuine-russian.html
>>29801249
>Now, take your pick and unfuck your gun.
Nnnnnnnno.
>>29801259
Only thing worse than a pleb is a willful pleb.
>>29801173
Hungarians came with ported tubes.
>>29801274
Says the pleb with a pleb phone.
>>29801380
Do they come with Soviet laminate furniture, palmswell LHGs, non-Hungarian profile pistol grips and improperly closed gas tube levers, too? Just saiyin', if you're going for the AKM look, might as well do it properly.
>>29801393
Takes better pictures than yours. :^
>My BP-02 weaver side mount is so out of spec my AD 20moa scope mount wont fit on it correctly.
>>29798647
>>29801459
I'm not some faggot trying to clone military rifles. Sorry to burst your fantasy bubble but your rifle is a civvie commericial production. It's a SA85M with Soviet laminate. Feel free to cosplay your rifles I'm good
>>29798647
This "game" starts you with an exploded view of the AK47 and 1911. Pretty fun for learning to take apart your funs.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/262410/
>>29801536
>I'm not some faggot trying to clone military rifles
Your picture says otherwise, but whatever you say famalam.
>>29801567
It doesn't actually because I would have cut and swelled the tube. Autist cosplay faggot
>>29801536
What the fuck is wrong with trying to clone military rifles you raging sperglord?
>>29801591
Thinking somehow you are "correct" for sticking a bunch of parts are your rifle to look a certain way. Faggot tier effeminate aspergers syndrome
>cosplay
>sides
>>29801590
>I would have cut and swelled the tube
Did you go the rifling in place, too? :^
>>29801610
Kill yourself you child.
>>29801617
No idea what shat just broke out of your forehead
>>29801610
So you only accidentally tried to create a blatant AKM clone.
>>29801654
Funny, it's LITERALLY an AKM clone as is. Gas tube ports and sight are the differences.
>>29801651
>No idea what shat just broke out of your forehead
>not knowing of rifling in place.
>>29801651
You'd have had to have been here longer than a year, so don't worry about it. ;^
>>29801665
>LITERALLY an AKM clone
>Gas tube ports and sight are the differences.
Pick one, and only one.
Has anyone put together a list of who makes the highest quality AK's? Are the Bulgarian Arsenals still the best bang for the buck when it comes to a high end AK? Just curious because it seems like it's pretty hit or miss with AK makers these days and things are always changing
>>29800206
Well, if his dad has an RPK or something
>>29801721
I'd bet money he has an NHM-91.
>>29799094
Hey, anon that you sent those magazines and other goodies to here. Noticed that the spot weld on the lug at the end of my barrel was broken so I was able to get that blank adapter on no problem.
Question for anyone here: I can't seem to find online why that needs to be on the barrel to fire blanks. Any help here?
>>29801689
I see you are a forum faggot with aspergers and a camera. I have a 107CR too faggot, LAWLZ terrible AK104 clone dur I fukt up
>>29801777
Smaller hole creates more back pressure for cycling
>>29801782
Golly, you're a salty one.
>>29801506
Upon further investigation my BP-02 mount is indeed out of spec as my American Defense Recon-SL mount will fit the rails on my Midwest Industries Galil quad rail just fine, but just wont fit right on my BP-02.
Has anyone used one of these side mounts before? If the rails are in spec this is exactly what I want.
>http://kalinkaoptics.com/firearm-accessories/mounts/ak-vepr-saiga-slr/patriot-ak-centered-side-mount-w-picatinny-rail.html
>>29801032
Indeed they are, my good sir. After getting that Zenitco muzzle brake i just had to ditch my "nyet, rifle is fine" ideology and tacticool the fuck out of it. The best part is, those little pieces of plastic tremondously improve handling, aiming and overall feelingnof the gun. No regrets.
>>29801782
>I see you are a forum faggot with aspergers and a camera
Where do you think you are you blubbering dipshit
>>29801144
Okay, great! Thanks for the info, maybe i can get dad buy said rifle.
>>29801797
Got it, thanks man.
>>29801798
Just go cosplay like a milkshitting sperg. Nobody cares
>>29801860
>one part and a (properly) closed lever away from having a legit AKM clone
>rages against clone build and clone builders
Your non-sequiturs and buttblustering sustain me, anon. <3
>>29801894
Muh ported gas tube
Seriously did you mom have you at 42?
>>29801894
>milkshits
muh mag dimples
>huffs inhaler
Was the SLR 104 video suppose to drop today?
>>29801957
Thursday.
>>29801909
>>29801956
>still being salty
>still replying
>Still giving a tripfag attention
All you're doing is giving me exactly what I want, y'know. :^
>>29802000
thank you for the quick response m8
>>29799901
I took the risk on a tacticool WASR and restored it to its wood look with surplus romanian furniture.
When buying a WASR, know what to look for. If you see ANYTHING that gives you concern, just walk away.
Now that I think about it, avoid the tacticool WASR because that means the previous owner messed with it, which can mean more problems. Guy who had mine before must have forcefully removed the wood lower handguard, fucking up the little lever that locks it in place.
I got it for $400 at an auction, and the tacticool shit I got minus the cost of the wood was an extra 50 bucks off, so I dont give a shit. I expected this.
How modular are aks?
>>29802024
where'd u find a reverse donger
>>29801705
>Are the Bulgarian Arsenals still the best bang for the buck when it comes to a high end AK?
You should give this thread a read real quick...
>>29802168
I'm sorry m8, i should been more specific. I already own the WASR, I was wondering if it was worth tacticooling out. But I think I'm gonna keep it classic looking and get a DDI 5.45
>>29802665
I think 5.45s are more acceptable to tacticool. AKMs and 47s are best kept original.
>>29802705
>>29802705
Yea I had that same thought but I don't know where I got that idea from
Should I get a 16" 7.62x39 VEPR or a 20" 7.62x54r
Another question, do VEPRs take standard AKM furniture?
>>29801803
Working fine for me, with a rds. What is ur issue ?
Why are these boxes so
A E S T H E T I C
>>29802792
>brass
>>29801812
Any reason you went with this JEWlery? Here in eurostan Fab defense is plentifull but i guess if i was a buger it would not be my primary choice.
>>29802762
They take rpk furniture.
>>29802818
So this would work?
http://www.apexgunparts.com/ak-all-models-and-calibers/romanian-m1964-rpk/romanian-rpk-m1964-stock-set-very-good.html
>>29802804
Keep mad
>>29802988
where is manufactured this ak ?
>>29802526
Centerfire Sytems back in 2010 or so when they were $9.99.
>>29800982
Definitely won't deny the heavyness of the VEPRs, I enjoy the heavy barrel and receiver, but it'd be a pig to carry around in the field.
>>29803018
Looks like a Chinese Polytec or MAK-90.
>>29803018
You can tell it's Chinese by the full globe front sight.
>>29802988
Not my money homie.
I like those boxes though
>>29803018
PRC.
It s a SDM(Norinco)
>>29802988
Fun fact: the battle buddy is bulgarian
>>29803051
yes i think is a norinco, nice ak man
>>29803163
I used to own a Norinco AK before I had to sell it to make ends meet. I regret the shit out of that, it was a damn fine rifle. One of the best AK's on the market, bar none.
>>29803198
In fact, I wondered why it looks like my type 56 .
cheap and Chinese ,
I thought it was a crap instead to see others ak can not complain
>>29803282
>>29803282
What does this sentence even mean ?
>>29803163
Thanks buddy
>>29803313
nothing, sry for my english
>>29803345
mad jelly man. How did you get ahold of that thing?
>>29803313
>>29803357
i am drunk bro
What is a reasonable price for a donkey donger?
>>29803446
Here you go.
http://www.apexgunparts.com/romanian-ak47-akm-wood-stock-set-w-pistol-grip-good.html
>>29802797
>literally just a red box with faux-Cyrillic
>>29803479
>$40
Still, at least they're showing up again. Seriously an underappreciated upgrade for an AK that makes a noticeable difference in shooting.
>>29803697
I agree
>>29803446 here
also how modular are ak furniture, rails and trunnions?
>>29803773
>ak furniture
You can swamp them out, and you can install handguards that have rails.
>rails
See above, along with the receiver optic rail that's commonly seen (and solid as all hell), and a few reputable dust cover rails that aren't really mounted on the dust cover at all.
>Trunnions
About the least modular component on the AK.
You can deck an AK out, but it's nowhere near to the same degree as an AR.
>>29803905
>it's nowhere near to the same degree as an AR.
And some of us are perfectly fine with that.
Sup nerds
what's the latest word on DDI's shit? Worth getting or nah?
Also, I was planning on refinishing my WASR but after that Rob Ski video I might just get a brand new set, or get a sanded, unfinished set
I had fun this weekend.
>>29804321
DDI is pretty good. They've got sidefolders in the works too.
>>29804331
Oh speaking of DDI...
>>29804331
>>29804310
>>29804236
Are these all yours?
>>29802797
Cabelas started carrying this stuff. Too bad its $6 a box.
>>29799327
Okay. I wouldn't though. The M10's are fine rifles, essentially a WASR with a different FSB/gas block set up. They're not parts kit rifles.
>>29804504
>Too bad its $6 a box.
And it's filthy as all hell.
>>29804367
>speaking of DDI
Are you noticing my nice Fighter Brake sempai?
>>29799327
how are you able to have the 30 round mag? is it pinned to 10?
>>29804504
tula is $7.25 in polar bear land
>>29804535
yeah I know its not terrible, but it feels wrong paying 30 cpr for steel. Then again unless I order bulk online, with shipping it comes damn near close to 30cpr and I have to wait.
Hey guys, I'm having a bit of an internal debate right now. I have $550 to spend and I'm either looking at getting a draco pistol with a galil style brace, or getting my AK-74 parts kit w/ barrel and 80% childerguns blank (still hasn't shipped yet -_-) built by a professional. Help.
>>29804655
Are you saying you can buy an ak74 parts kit, and have it built by a professional for $550? Fucking go for that one.
AK pistols, unless you SBR them, are dumb.
>>29804687
No, I already have the parts kit, barrel, and the receiver on order. As for the AK pistol, I plan on SBR'ing it eventually but for now I'd be putting one of these on it: https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-accessories/sb-tactical-ak47-pistol-stabilizing-arm-brace-detail.html?Itemid=0
>>29804527
>fastbreak
idk even know what that is toobh famalama
Is there any reason to clean the end of the piston? Shit gets harder and harder to take off every time
>>29804726
>$150
$50 more and you've already paid your stamp
>>29804836
And I also get to register it and wait. Plus the cost of the rear trunnion, stock, and the gun smith. Also I'm planning on moving within the next six months so I'd rather not fuck with that right now.
>>29804916
The cost of that doesn't go down though. Buying a $150 brace just puts you $150 farther away from actually SBR'ing it.
>>29803361
Perks of being europoor ? There is no ban here these things are dirt cheap, bought a russian aksu for 800€ too
>>29805113
Then I'll sell the thing. The point is that I don't plan on SBRing it any time soon. The original question was AK pistol or get my AK-74 rifle built.
>>29803697
>Bert and Ernie
>>29804739
>Is there any reason to clean the end of the piston? Shit gets harder and harder to take off every time
that's why you clean it. it doesn't have to be perfect, but it will build up and eventually start spreading around and getting into places where it will interfere with the proper motion of the parts.
if it's hard to clean, soak the dirty end of the operating rod in kerosene or paint thinner for a day or two to soften the carbon and try again.
a clean rifle is a happy rifle.
>>29802412
>How modular are aks?
Very modular, better than they were ten years ago. Though you need to pay out of the ass for good quality products compared to an ar15.
What do you plan on putting?
Is there a reason some AK bolt carrier groups are nickle plated and others arent?
>>29805417
honestly I would go for the 74 build if the gunsmith knows what they are doing. I think thats neater to have a build rather than the pistol.
What origin is it?
>>29798647
>>29805684
Mostly they're either left in the white (unfinished) or parked.
>>29805724
It's just a Bulgarian AK-74.
>>29799931
>>29799935
IT KEEPS HAPPENING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWxHN62LiGk
>>29805351
>>29805351
Not bad.
>>29805472
Is turpentine good enough?
>>29806013
so like we figured, it was the poor finish. At first I thought it was rust oxidizing and poking through the paint. Had to deal with that shit on my cars.
>>29806034
Yeap. Arsenal cheaped out on the paint and prep work. Going to wait and see how they address this considering I was looking at picking up a SLR-104 with my tax return,
>>29806033
>Is turpentine good enough?
turpentine will do, sure. you might wanna leave the piston rod standing in a jar of turpentine in the garage, or some place that's well ventilated, but yeah, it'll do.
other things that can work: shaving cream. apply in jar, let soak overnight, scrub resistant parts with toothbrush, rinse with boiling water.
cheap store brand engine cleaning foam. also needs a boiling water rinse, and probably shouldn't be left on the metal more than about 45 minutes.
>>29806034
It's not just the paint, there is rust on it too.
>>29806093
Fuck
is there a reason I don't do that to every part of the rifle? Basically I wipe the insides down with remington wipes, paper towels and q-tips until i get all the grease and grime out, and push cleaning patches through the barrel, gas tupe, and rear sight block until either they stop coming out black or I get tired of it.
I usually don't oil or grease it until i go shoot it, but I clean it after every time I go shooting
>>29800524
The arfcom mentality at work, folks.
>>29806013
>mfw this doesn't happen on my slr104
>>29806248
>Arsenal
>not DDI
Are you as excited for Thursday as I am anon?
>>29806274
i'm actually really interested 2bqh.
i've had zero issues with my 104, so it'll be neat to see what happens when q.c. is thrown out the window.
>>29806122
>is there a reason I don't do that to every part of the rifle?
Well, if the exterior of the barrel gets dirty enough, sure, get some turpentine and rags and wipe it down.
When you shoot an AK, though, the fouling mainly is gonna build up inside the barrel, inside the gas cylinder, and on the front end of the gas piston. Cleaning those is the priority. It's not like some other designs where carbon fouling gets everywhere inside the receiver.
So I went and shot some "mildly" corrosive ammo out of my SKS I just got
>start cleaning it as I get home
>put some gun cleaning stuff on some patches and run em through
>comes out pure black for the first 5
>get the wire brush and run it through a few times (Am I supposed to go back and forth with that thing?)
>run more patches
>pure black AGAIN for the first 3
>get 15 more patches through before it comes out reasonably clean
Holy shit. I've never cleaned a gun before, by the way. I just did that and then put some lubricant in it and called it good. Was there anything else I'm supposed to do?
>>29806248
Your not alone
>>29806248
>Arsenal
Nice paint bro!
>>29804504
It's rebranded Tula ammo, and tula sucks ass.
>>29806315
part of me wants it to get fucked up so I feel better about going DDI instead of Arsenal, because the SLR-104 is dissappearing
>>29806326
there is no "mildly corrosive" ammunition. it contains potassium chlorate or it doesn't. "mildly corrosive" is like "kind of pregnant."
some people would have started the cleaning by rinsing the gas system and the bore with some boiling water, and using a brush with some kind of soap or detergent to help remove corrosive primer residue. Rubbing some "Ivory" brand bath soap on the bore brush is a technique gun magazines were recommending a hundred years ago. Dishwashing liquid is good too. more recently people have been hosing the bore out from the chamber end with "Windex" or similar ammonia-based liquid glass cleaner as a way of getting out corrosive primer residue. Which can't hurt so long as you wipe it out with dry patches afterward.
Anyway. patches coming out "reasonably clean" is a good start. Does the rifle have a chrome lined barrel? If it does maybe you can get away with leaving it this way. otherwise, I'd clean it some more.
some people wet a patch with bore cleaning solvent, pull it through the bore from the breech end, then roll it up and stick it in the muzzle as a plug. put another rolled up wet patch in the chamber. let rifle stand overnight, maybe muzzle down in a glass jar, so that nothing drips out that can ruin your carpet. clean again tomorrow after work.
>>29806324
Well I feel like the barrels good enough now, the patches still come out dark grey but I feel pretty good about the gas tube and sight block. Can I use turpentine on those parts with patches?
>>29806390
I got one of these Yugo SKS's:
https://www.classicfirearms.com/yugo-sks-semi-auto-excellent
I don't think it's chrome lined. But I did run many patches soaked with bore cleaner through it, then dry ones, then the gun lube.
>then roll it up and stick it in the muzzle as a plug. put another rolled up wet patch in the chamber. let rifle stand overnight
Do you mean I should fill the barrel with bore cleaner and let it sit overnight?
>>29806414
you can mop out the inside of the gas cylinder with turpentine on big (shotgun size) patches, I suppose. The gas port and such? maybe here you might want to consider hosing out the parts with brake cleaner or carburetor cleaner from an aerosol can. you'll want to do this in a well ventilated place, one without nice carpets or hardwood floors.
>>29806463
>Do you mean I should fill the barrel with bore cleaner and let it sit overnight?
not fill it up with bore cleaner, no. Just wet the inside of the bore with cleaner applied with a patch, and leave wet patches in the chamber and muzzle. let the chemicals do their work and clean it again tomorrow.
this is one reason I like Hoppe's #9. it's not so strong you can't leave it on metal indefinitely, unlike some super-powerful copper cleaners, which tell you right on the label don't let it stand on the metal more than a few minutes.
>>29806383
I want to see it get fucking destroyed by Rob and everyone gets pissed so Arsenal unfucks itself.
MAKE ARSENAL GREAT AGAIN!
>>29806468
I live on the second story of an apartment building, I got a nifty little balcony for that sort of thing.
For the gas port of used a spray can of outers nitro solvent and q-tips, and sometimes i'll wrap a patch around the wire bore brush and spin it around in there. I've had that Piston sitting in turpentine for a few minutes, tempted to check on it's progress already.
>>29806504
Shitposting aside, what are the actual differences between DDI and Arsenal? I wanna make sure I'm not making some big mistake buy getting a DDI AK-74
>>29806518
>For the gas port of used a spray can of outers nitro solvent and q-tips, and sometimes i'll wrap a patch around the wire bore brush and spin it around in there. I've had that Piston sitting in turpentine for a few minutes, tempted to check on it's progress already.
sounds like you've got a good plan there, to be quite honest, family
>>29806013
>three whole magdumps before the finish goes to shit
Fuck's sake, the Gunkote finish on my WASR went through five without any issue whatsoever.
>>29806518
barrel, side folding stock, and finish are the only real differences. Arsenal has a CHF chrome lined barrel vs DDI nitrided barrels. The side folder vs fixed is obvious. As for the finish, Arsenal is apparently some garbage tier paint where as DDI uses KG Gun Kote finish which is very nice.
Fuck I'm thinking about dumping 120 rnds through my 104 and seeing what happens.
>>29806584
oh forgot the furniture. DDI 74s are magpul or hogue furniture (yuk) so expect to spend some more money replacing it.
>>29806601
do it and take a vid. some people say the 104s are built and finished better due to less demand so I want to see if it's true.
>>29806490
Ok, I'll do that.
I also shot my shotgun, but only about 25 shells. I ran a cotton brush through it and it barely came out dirty. Do I really need to go through and clean it?
>>29806601
I feel so terrible for the Arsenal customer service reps that are gonna have to deal with all the warranty requests. Everyone doing magdumps to see their finish bubble.
>May 3rd, opening of business
>500 unread Warranty Replacement Requests
>Everyone has bubbling finishes
>>29806631
Every one is testing the 107s not the 104s so I'm courious if isolated to just the 107s
>>29806556
it's great. I'm not sure if I'm looking forward to this Tuesday or Thursday more! It's going to be a awesome week.
>>29806550
Pistons' gonna need a little bit more time.
I don't really care about the stock, if I can I'm gonna try and get it replaced with that Tapco slider. Or maybe it was magpul, don't remember which. That barrel might be a problem though, what's a nitrided barrel? My WASR has a chromed one, I was under the impression that a chrome lined barrel was the way to go.
>>29806631
Dealing with already pissed-off customers is a major pain in the ass, but at least they don't have a storefront where people go in to complain afaik
Unrelated side note: I used to be really anal about my WASR finish not getting worn or scratched, but now I love the look of the wear and tear for some reason. ANyone else do that?
>>29806706
part of this was meant for
>>29806584
>>29806608
Also that's fortunate, getting some railed furniture was part of my plan
>>29806680
Probably not is my guess considering they use the same paint on both rifles. Only one way to find out though.
>>29806706
I'm doing that to both my Arsenal and my wasr tho I won't purposely deface them just kinda waiting for it to happen with use
>>29798647
Why is everyone shitting on DDI over at the AK Files. I keep seeing pic related post here as well.
>>29806742
Oh no Im not purposefully scratching up my wasr or anything. btw did you dye or outright replace your furniture on the WASR?
Any tips on how to remove a stuck fixed stock? I decided to see how my brown painted Bulgarian AK-74 stock from my parts kit on my WASR and now it's stuck. How the fuck do I get this thing out without damaging it?
>>29806706
nitride is a salt bath treatment that alters the surface of the steel. read up on it, it's pretty neat.
as for the barrels: chf chrome barrels will last longer in extreme circumstances while the green mountain nitrided barrels in a DDI rifle will be more accurate. corrosion resistance will be about the same.
if you don't plan on doing very long strings of mag dumps the DDI barrel will do just fine.
>>29806781
Replace with a used surplus set I like that it looks like a le it came off a battlefield
>>29806772
>I have two PSAK47s
Hahahahaha
>>29806772
first time seeing that pic. wow, not cool.
>>29806802
nitriding is the same thing they do to Glock and S&W M&P slides, and H&K slides, isn't it? different manufacturers have different names for it. "Melonite." "Tenifer." "Hostile Environment Finish." it's all very hard, very tough, very corrosion resistant. but they haven't been using it inside rifle barrel bores for very long. I'm waiting to hear about more tests being done with it before I reach any conclusions. chrome lining has been around since before WWII and when it is done right it definitely gives outstanding corrosion protection and wear protection.
>>29806802
>if you don't plan on doing very long strings of mag dumps the DDI barrel will do just fine.
Can't even afford to do that m8. Bought 120 rounds on a whim today and put them all threw my wasr pretty quick, I guess it was fast enough to consider it a magdump. Shit was fun though, firing with the stock tucked under my arm or one handed like a pistol.
>>29806807
I was gonna teach myself some woodworking, but even to someone who knows fuck all about wood, it's becoming apparent that the stock WASR furniture is... not great
>>29806785
please help
>>29806847
that's the primary reason people are sticking to chrome lined chf barrels for now but there have been a few tests that show nitrided barrels to be very, very good and surpass CHF chrome accuracy on average.
>>29806903
get a half inch diameter wooden dowel about a foot long, and a big mallet or hammer. one of those "dead blow mallets" with the lead shot filling is especially good for this.
take off the dust cover, remove the recoil spring, bolt carrier, etc.
get an angle where you can have the end of the dowel against a portion of the interior stub end of the stock.
now beat it. beat the fuck out of it with that hammer. beat it like it owes you money. beat it like candy's going to come out of it. that's how you get it out without doing stupid shit like trying to pry it loose with a screwdriver, which may or may not pull it out but will certainly succeed in damaging it.
>>29806867
Just get a set from apex you will not be sorry.
>I changed that shit furniture as soon as I got home
Apparently there's a new thread no one said anything about
>>29806337
>>29806928
Thanks.
>>29806948
Well considering we're only at 240ish posts we don't need a new thread.
question: wasn't ALG supposed to put out an enhanced version of their AK trigger? what ever happened with that?
>>29807013
>>29806948
>Apparently
I didn't make it, I don't really endorse it for the same reason.
>>29807037
Nah, I figured you didn't. People just being retarded.
maybe it's because I'm a consumerist millenial baby but it's hard to be on this general while I'm trying to save up for my DDI. Gotta keep coming back to learn new shit every day but I can't wait to order that shit.
>>29806948
It looks like that thread is merely for shit posting. We may have dodged a bullet.
>>29806785
I expose the front of the stock, under the rear trunnion inside the gun, by removing all the internals (even the FCG). Then I place a quarter or small metal piece on the face of the stock (tang I guess) and use a long punch and rubber mallet to beat it out from the opposite direction it went in. The metal piece being there to protect the stock. There may be a better way, but that always works for me if the stock is particularly stubborn.
>>29807071
shit son, I've waited since August of last year to buy a rifle and this Arsenal madness starts up as I'm about to purchase. Based Rob saving me from buying rattle can garbage.
Backyard range day!
Rail in the mail.
Might mount a compm4 on her.
>>29807162
>>29807162
maybe we can buy DDI's... together?
>>29807204
that's a shit load of money for a red dot. just get a PRO.
>>29807204
>Rail in the mail.
>>29807239
maybe. I've been thinking about building an AR pistol though.
>>29807253
Found a pretty good deal on one, but the price has me skeptical.
>>29807204
I like it anon. You get the rail from that Polish guy on gunbroker?
>>29807278
Unfortunately not.
Some guy in Czech Republic however sold me one for about $10 cheaper.
>>29807272
price? there are some police trade ins floating around.
>>29807305
Whatever works. The Polish guy is where I got my lower handguard. He had a bunch of beryl parts up last I checked.
>>29807320
$475
It's insane.
>>29807263
>AR pistol
o-oh
>>29807350
The polish guy never responded to me, otherwise I would have had all my parts sooner.
>>29807204
Nice. I have a soft spot for Beryl's. Poland stronk
>have a new slr-107 I got a month ago
>fired 1000 rounds through it already
>zero problems with anything
I don't get it why are peoples finishes going to shit?
>>29807501
>Poland stronk
Damn right.
Who else is green furniture here.
What's a good first holo optic to throw on an AK-74? I'm gonna get a UTG 3x magnifier to go with it
>>29807527
>no circle 11
FUCKING DROPPED
>>29807510
seems to be a bad batch. rate of fire also seems to be a factor.
>>29807510
got to get it hot. mag dump 90 rounds in it and see if it still holds up.
>>29806013
>>29807582
Fug :DDDD
I didn't even know that was a thing. I really need to get more 5.56 AK mags. That's definitely what I'm lacking most right now.
>>29807529
>you can still see bits of the original brown
Looks like trash m8. You fucked up.
>>29807590
I've done that already, I got this rifle a month ago from Gun Broker so I'm going to guess it's one of the newer ones. Maybe I just got lucky?
Hey guys, did you guys know that Arsenals have shitty paint? Fucking crazy right? I know none of you don't believe me but you need to trust me on this one!
>>29807655
>completely ignoring the fucking rust being found under that paint
It's totally fine guys, it's all on the paint and we've always known that was sub-par. Totally fine.
>>29807647
I left the original grain color on purpose.
The bits of purpleish red look nice in the sunlight.
i'll always love my shittypaint104.
>>29807713
SLR: shitty, lackluster, rattlecan
>>29807654
you got lucky. the newer ones with XM55 serial numbers have been bubbling in vids.
>>29806013
seems to only happen to the xm serial numbered slr107's arsenal is still good if they fix this
Reminder that Robski said "there's more" to a comment waving aside any possibility of rivets working loose. Buckle up, guys.
>>29807878
>>29807727
STOP THIS STOP IT STOP IT STOP STOP STOP
hey guys who the fuck cares about paint? I see a lot of guys just spray painting their Arsenals to make them blend with the area they train in.
>>29806844
>not cool
Just like you. Have you tried getting laid more?
In the market for a holographic sight and a magnifier, is compatibility something I have to worry about? like the magnifier being too high/low etc, that sort of thing
>>29807960
What part of "there is fucking rust under the fucking paint" isn't getting through here? That is a major, MAJOR issue, for the love of Christ.
Why does the sling that came with my SLR107 seem so small? Is this thing used by manlets or something?
>>29807878
I'm betting on FCG issues. I have a 107fr from the XK 55 batch that's exhibiting all sorts of strange wear on the hammer. Easy fix now that the ALG hardware is out though.
I guess it's fortuitous that Rob gets his arsenal now. If he had done this a year or two ago it'd take some guy over at akfiles weeks to generate the same amount of buzz about the XM 55 batch that AKOU has before their video has even been released.
>>29808008
maybe you're talking to a Remington QC inspector.
>>29804739
>>29805472
what is wrong with you dumb niggers? Use CLP and scrub the shit outta it with a brass brush. Its the same process for cleaning your muzzle brake....
another thing that works is 000 steel wool, a dowel rod, and a battery drill.
>>29806326
sounds like you didnt clean it when you got it, OR you have a non-CL barrel (Serbshit) and are not using a brass brush.
>>29806490
>which tell you right on the label don't let it stand on the metal
funny, cause hoppes says that right on the fuckin bottle, you illiterate nigger.
>>29806518
use non-chlorinated brake parts cleaner, not any of the other shit retard mentioned. make sure you throughly oil afterwards, cause that shit will rust instantly.
>>29806631
they will say its fine, stop complaining, its parkerized underneath and solely a cosmetic issue.
>>29806723
its not the paint itself, but that some drunken slav didnt degrease it completely before spraypainting it.
>>29806742
it wont happen unless you shoot it so hot that any residual grease/oil left on park under the paint will boil.
>>29806772
>Why is everyone shitting on DDI
because they are a shitass company? Its literally either:
Proven WASR for ~$500
or Arsenal for $200 more than a DDI
Why even bother on something that is questionable? At least WaffenWerkz got it right and pricematched the WASRs. Fuck DDI, and fuck the resident crossdressing shill that resides here.
>>29806785
wooden dowel and a hammer, smack the bitch from inside the receiver.
>>29806847
>nitriding is the same thing they do to Glock
As of recent, yes. However if you do some research, nothing beats real fuckin tennifer. Fuck post-2010 glocks.
As for barrels, nothing beats Chrome-Lined. It doesnt matter how much paid shills will try to sell it to you, it is a simple matter: Chrome lined barrels will always outlast a fuckin surface-treated barrel that is not CL'd. Hence, why NO natl military uses fuckin "Just as good as CL'd, Melonite!" barrels. Dont buy into retards.
>>29808019
african child soldiers.
>>29805683
Us parts and Romanian furniture on a polish reciver basic parts, really
>>29805683
Us trunnions rather
>>29806914
>tests that show nitrided barrels to be very, very good and surpass CHF chrome accuracy on average.
well no shit, when you dont add any extra material, they tend to stay perfectly cut/rifled. Just like a bare-ass Stainless Steel barrel will be more accurate than CL'd yet will still outlast Melonhead bullshit.
>>29807204
T1 or bust.
>>29807527
how many FTFs?
>>29807707
Im gonna have to agree with that guy, looks like a babby ate Pea's AND carrots, instead of just green apple jolly ranchers.
>>29808008
>Rust
looks like boiled cosmoline to me.....
>>29802807
Because i am an europoor and the parts actually look pretty good to me.
I was sceptical about plastic parts, so i just simply sent an email to the dealer and he told me that the israeli army uses fab parts, so they should hold up fine.
Until now, no issues and there's not even the slightest movement when you try to rattle the parts, which of course is a good thing.
>>29808196
Only one when the feed lips on the shitty promag that came with it broke. Zero with my bulgy and Polish mags. It's been perfect. Probably my favorite AK at this point.
>>29808196
>looks like boiled cosmoline to me.....
Kill yourself you tool.
>>29808019
I feel your pain, the sling that came with my SLR-104fr feels like it needs at least a foot and a half more of adjustment.
>>29808196
>stainless will outlast stainless steel with a coat of melonite
Were you born retarded or dropped on your head until you became retarded?
>>29808129
Pretty sure Swiss Arms rifles have nitrided barrels
>Paint bubbling off after 90 rounds
>Visible rust underneath
>Metal that was supposed to have been parkerized clearly isn't
>People are still defending this
I've heard the Arsenal koolaid was pretty potent, but this is getting stupid.
>>29808196
nigger, I also made mention of the fact that chrome lined barrels will outlast nitrided barrels. you can stuff your chrome lined barrel up your ass if you love it so much
>>29808291
it's amazing the lengths people will go to when defending their purchases.
First time ak owner here.
Went with the npap as a birth day present to myself
Spent the last two days trying to newb stain and polyurethane the nonstandard light tan furniture.
finally get to go shoot tomorrow.
>bought every box of 7.62x29 in the area.
>only 160 rounds.
FTGE
I got one from the XM55 batch and it's still running smooth as butter after almost 2000 rounds through it. (I use Golden Tiger if that matters.) I've also blown through 4 magazines rather quickly and though the gun was hot nothing bubbled. Maybe I got lucky, maybe I didn't run it hot enough.
>>29808354
Shoot it until it starts bubbling then report back.
>>29808354
Here's the part where everyone is having issues closer up. Maybe I'm just not being mean enough to my gun...
Well, we might as well use up the retard thread rather than making a new one:
>>29806337
>>29806337
>>29806337
>>29808336
I'd return it and get 7.62x39 instead.
>>29808196
If i do another stock.I will probably try to strip everything off it.Still its my first time doing anything like it and im happy with the results.
>>29808371
look here:
>>29806013
that's probably as fast as Rob was shooting too when his bubbled.
>>29808403
I shot 4 30 round magazines through it pretty quickly. Nothing went wrong with it. As I said I probably am just lucky.
>>29808365
So you're saying to just keep shooting even MORE than what that guy did that quickly and see what happens?
>>29808283
lemme make this nice and Eee-Zee for your simpleminded self.
>Just like a bare-ass Stainless Steel barrel will be more accurate than CL'd yet will still outlast Melonhead bullshit.
There are three things being compared here:
Stainless Steel - SS
Chrome Lined - CL'd
Melonite - Melonhead
I know its a bit harded because you used to only two thingz at one times, but try to bare wit me.
>Just like a bare-ass Stainless Steel barrel will be more accurate than Chromelined, yet will still outlast Melonite bullshit.
That means a SS barrel will be more accurate than a CL'd barrel.
That also means a SS barrel will also outlast a Melonhead barrel.
So tell me how, in your assbackwards, "momma wuz always drankin even wit me", dumbfuck mind, does that equivilate to what you deduced from my sentence:
>stainless will outlast stainless steel with a coat of melonite
Fuckin idiot.
>>29808284
>Swiss Army
>relevant
If you read into it, they use a different type of barrel steel that is heavy-laden with Chrome and Nickel.
>While SIG has made no great innovations in the fabrication of the metal parts of the SG550 and SG551 compared with the SG540, the company has nevertheless increased the strength and rigidity of the receiver, particularly the magazine housing and the rear part against which the bolt assembly recoils. It has not been considered necessary to chrome the bore, but the barrel, which is drawn from a chrome- nickel -steel bar, is thicker, particularly at the chamber, where its diameter is 28mm. Great attention has been paid to protecting the exterior surfaces because of the severe conditions which can be encountered in Switzerland. After being phosphatised but before finishing, the metal is subjected to a treatment which smooths the surfaces and which, according to SIG, greatly increases its resistance to knocks and to corrosive agents.
>>29808291
>>Visible rust underneath
tell me, how does something that has been parkerized, have rust on top of it? Have you ever seen boiled cosmoline?
>>29808376
fuck off fat fuck, we all know one of you /arg/ faggots is doing this stupid shit.
>>29808396
If you do decide to grab a dong kit off apex, make sure you strip it completely, then sand it, then steam it, then apply multiple very light coats of 100% no-additive tung oil once a week over 2 months. You will have the most sexy wood in your county, and will never have to MixWax Polyurethane that shit. ever.
All i did was strip it and sand it.fill some of the holes apply the dye then apply 3 coats of minwax clear satin finish.The whole deal took a week.
But i will take your advise for the next time i do this.
>>29808556
Are you really so retarded that you think Rob Ski would mistake a little bit of cosmoline for rust? The fucking parts don't even look parkerized in the pictures he posted.
>>29806248
Do you have the entire collection of those funny meme AK mag pepes?
>>29808379
Ha, Fuck you. you know what I meant.
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