https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs7eK2SmGYM
Someone needs to make a new AK sticky and point anons in the right direction to fucking avoid the RAS and C39 rifles until they get their fucking shit together. This is just fucking unacceptable. Pic related was not the same rifle Rob Ski had shot 5k rounds, though he mentions that guy in the video posted.
I think they put the WASR through way more shit than this rifle, even running it over with a truck a few times and didn't shit itself like this rifle did.
Also, why can't the US build a fucking AK rifle unless it's a super specialty $2800 rifle (ala Rifle Dynamics)?
>>29741154
>anyone can make a good AR
>only a few can make a good AK
SUPERIOR PLATFORM
>>29741158
That's the fucking thing, the US obviously can make an AR, which costs much more money in terms of the tooling to make cast or forged upper and lower receivers, etc. So why is it so hard to make a fucking steel box riveted together with some metal chunks at either end? Any third world shithole can put these things together.
>>29741154
I bought a arsenal slr-107 and it's been fine for awhile.
>>29741183
Because Century tried to cut costs where they shouldn't have been cut.
>>29741154
Go buy a DDI
Because American companies have no competition. No AK imports from Russia, no AK imports from China.
Voila, how to make a shoddy protectionist market 101
>>29741158
anyone in america can make an ar, european ars somehow manage to be worse than ptac
>>29741271
Molot is still importing guns, but they are only 7.62x54r.
>>29741183
There are not that many US companies manufacturing more complex AR steel parts like bolts and bolt carriers. Most AR brands outsource all steel parts and only mill aluminum parts.
AK requires a bunch of milled steel parts of similar complexity as AR parts and since the profit margins are smaller pretty much nobody is doing them so Century Arms tried to cast those parts and the rifles made with cast parts are shit.
>>29741154
I actually fell for the shilling of James Yeager and bought a RAS47 700$. 90 rounds in I alrdy saw scooping on the bolt. Fuckme.jpg watch literally all of the akou vids. Realize a wasr will outlast the ras47, me, my house, my family name, etc. This got me looking to trade my ras back for a wasr. See vid of Rob hitting 2.25 moa at 100 with the wasr. I'm sold. Originally I wanted to sell my ras and wait for the 107's or DAKMs to come back in stock, but it'll be 2017 by then and I wanted an Ak before this election. Realize I can polish the shit out of a wasr to get it smooth as an arsenal. 2-3 moa isn't too much worse than an arseanl, so fuck it. Went back to fun store to see what they had. They let me trade back my ras for 500$ and out that towards a 600$ 2015 wasr. At the end of the day I lost 300$ on the ras47 fiasco but it taught me who I could trust and not to make impulse buys. Now I'm the proud owner of a properly built ak variant and I still plan on buying an arsenal 107 or DAKM 4150 down the line when I have more cash. Live and learn my friends. If you are seriously considering buying a RAS47 please learn from my mistake. Save up for an arsenal or go for the wasr and some ammo, you will be much better served in the end.
>>29741252
>Go buy a DDI
>>29741252
I've actually seen alot of ppl report problems with DDIs similar to the ras47, but not nearly as often. Honestly with ddis being close to 800 just save up and go for an arsenal
>>29741183
The AR is simpler to manufacture. Lower receiver is CNC milled. Rest can be bought and assembled with normal tools.
The AK requires industrial-processes that are only cost effective if you produce ten thousands of them.
Jesus, say what you will about WASRs, at least they'll outlive you and do what an AK was designed to do.
wait did people stop saying century was shit? when did that happen?
>>29741183
AR-15 - standardized receiver spec with material specs confirmed
AKM - Different receiver specs and tolerances by origin country, hand fitted parts, riveting, and the varying usage of cast vs forged trunions, of which the US does not have a manufacturer of the later
>>29741404
That sucks, anon. I bought my WASR-10 in January and it was my first rifle. I did a lot of reading and it was going to be it or the NPAP, but I ended up going with the WASR when my buddy who is a gunsmith and FFL talked me into it and could get me a new '15 production one for 620 out the door. I realized if I was not the kind of person to read and have a few knowledgeable gun people around me, I could have easily walked into Cabela's where there are racks of RAS47s with Magpul stuff on them and just bought one because it seemed cool. I feel bad for all of the people who are doing just that and are getting fucked.
>RAS is shit
>DDI is shit
>Arsenal is shit
>WASR is shit
i just want an ak jesus fuck
Which is worst: ras47, c39, or io akm247?
I feel for my American /k/omrades who cannot own a decent AK for a good price, while the cheapest guns I can buy as Mountain-Jew, are 100% mil-spec Romanian, Bulgarian, Hungarian, and Chinese AK's.
On the other hand I really envy you for being able to buy AR's at decent prices.
>>29741340
>>29741451
From the AKOU videos and what others shooting this rifles are reporting, there are multiple issues in which the failures can't be simply blamed on lack of forged parts.
It seems the metallurgy and heat treating on many of these parts (that aren't the trunions) are fucked. The bolts and carriers seem to be made of a much softer metal than the trunions, which are leading to the deformities many are seeing on the dovetail of the bolt carrier as well as the lugs on the bolt and the surfaces they ride on in the carrier. We see this shit in the C39 and it's a milled receiver anyhow.
A guy on AKfiles took hardness readings of trunions and barrels on common AKs from various countries, all were similar in hardness on the rockwell scale except the Century manufactured rifles, who's barrels were significantly softer. Maybe this also has something to do with Rob's reporting that the Century AKs actually DO shot fairly accurate? But still not good for longevity.
I get how quality stamped AKs may not be able to be produced in a cost effective manner here, but I still have no fucking clue why milled ones can't be done properly when a lot of the labor is removed from the equation.
>>29742403
IO hands down
>>29742332
Arsenals are good quality and assembled nice but I was surprised how shitty the finish is on them. The rifle inside the receiver and out as well as on the bolt are sprayed with some shitty ass dollar store-tier paint that bubbles off the moment it comes into any contact with solvent or parts cleaner.
>>29742409
The dovetail deformation happens because the hammer is much harder than the dovetail. I have seen this on a few different AKs and they all had the g2 trigger.
MFW $600 ARs are fucking awesome, top quality rifles, shooing 1 MOA and every single AK for $700 is being shit on by everyone, even AKfags, and shoot 2-3 MOA.
>>29742508
I like both but I'd still take my wasr or arsenal in a shtf scenario over my dpms or m&p15. Hell, just for the reasons of cleaning and maintenance alone, fuck cleaning ARs, man.
>>29742456
Interesting. My WASR still has the g2 in it but my slr106 has an akt. Maybe I should put an akt in the wasr as well soon...
>>29742529
>I would take my 1000 dollar rifle over my cheaper line AR-15s
Get some real AR-15s bro
Also, are opaps good aks?
>>29741154
Why is this so hard? It's a fucking AK.
>>29741698
>Jesus, say what you will about WASRs, at least they'll outlive you and do what an AK was designed to do.
AKs were designed to have their headspace wander off?
>>29742547
>Also, are opaps good aks?
fuck no, they're godawful
>>29742971
deisgn choice tovarisch. headspace moves as you fire, meaning dirt will always have place to go, so never need of cleaning
>>29741418
that forum has a lot of shitty language already. remember some guy calling them on their boyish behavior and he got slammed with all kinds of responses about it being a real mans website where they take a break from their wives and unleash their suppressed inner brat. The thing is that real men in a functional relationship wouldnt have all that bottled up shittalking need to begin with.
>>29742440
its made for military use where everybody is issued with CLP for cleaning. they didnt take into account that american bubbas would want to spray the guns with all kinda of chemicals that harmed the finish.
if people just read the manual and contained their snowflake needs for THAT brand of solvent then it wouldnt really be a problem. Besides its parkerized underneath.
>>29741154
meanwhile: me and my $200 upper are going to be around 1 MOA or so at 100m later today if it isn't raining
>>29743042
Don't dare take that gun to the rain. Lord knows what the unforgiving wet water will do to that shitty red dot
lol
>>29743053
it has rubber seals around the controls, but I wouldn't submerge it
And yes it is a shitty red dot.
After a month of being left on the lowest setting it gets too dim to use in bright sun. With battery at full charge it still isn't bright enough for my taste.
Would much prefer an EOTech reticle, and the ability to leave it on for years at a time.
does such an optic exist?
>>29743047
I've worked in some really dirty shops, and some really clean shops. And that looks a little too clean.
>>29742529
Just get an ALG trigger and call it a day.
>>29742529
I like being able to remove the whole upper assembly and look straight down the barrel.
Definitely a pro to cleaning the AR.
>>29743149
>does such an optic exist?
probably not with the eotech reticle. There's always the pa micro that has a 50k battery and its fairly durable for its low price
>>29743047
>USSR's face when their socialist dreams of automation meaning they have to work less are accomplished by capitalism
>>29743220
Yeah I have the Bushnell version of the same damn thing.
50k hrs is bullshit because the dot dims too much (at least on the Bushnell version).
if you have a PA MD leave it on for a couple months and get back to me.
>>29743231
>if you have a PA MD leave it on for a couple months and get back to me.
I've had mine on the 7th brightness setting on for 9 months straight.
>50k hrs is bullshit because the dot dims too much (at least on the Bushnell version).
its because bushnell red dots are shit
feeling the burn of not being able to get Saigas.
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>>29742582
ask the indians
How do yanks fuck up the AK?
here's how:
first, they see goat fuckers in 3rd world countries make them at home.
then they think it's super easy.
then they half ass it.
then they decide to save money by using shit tier material.
then /k/onsumers say "wtf?"
>tfw you nigger rigged an AK in your basement and it's still better than the stuff DDI shits out
feels good man
>>29744254
quiet down chap, just sip your tea avoid eye contact with your new neighboors : )
>>29743989
That fucking piece of shit, man.
There is not a single corner left uncut.
>>29743217
That would be the only fucking positive thing about cleaning the AR rifle. Cleaning the fucking lugs is a motherfucker. Cleaning the god damn diamond-hard carbon bonded to the inside of the bolt carrier and tail end of the bolt is a motherfucker. I can clean them a lot quicker nowadays having done so many times but they are a bitch. Not much to cleaning an AK besides the bore, wiping down the gas piston, bold and carrier and re-lubing.
>>29743030
>it's made for military
>none of the other ak variants are
Nobody is using aircraft stripper, were talking a little fucking Hoppe's on the god damn shitty Krylon bubbles it off. Like I said, I love my Arsenal, it shoots great and feels great and well built. But whatever they finished it with is shit-tier, not just for a $1000 AK, but even compared to a $500 WASR, It's not a super big deal, and I'll probably strip it down and finish it in something better later.
>>29741154
RD are only $2300 and mine was customized
>>29745752
>implying bong
nope.
I'm a gun owner.
![WP_20151130_002[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aHPfzSd.jpg "WP_20151130_002[1].jpg")
>>29743231
>if you have a PA MD leave it on for a couple months and get back to me.
About a year and counting, senpai.
How do Flandre made AKs hold up?
What ever happened to saiga conversions for the true slav-made new production AK experience?
Been out of the gun world for a while.
>>29746062
Sanctions
>>29746062
The Saigas stopped coming, for starters.
>>29743021
akfiles is honestly the worst. its nothing but a bunch of crybabies who nitpick the shit out of everything and expect $1200 rifles for $300, not to mention the blatant racism, sheer idiocy, and the prevalence of ridiculous conspiracy spouting retards. Its worse than /k/, the only thing thats worth a shit is the marketplace and the ability to talk to some of the major ak distributors in the country.
>>29741154
My gp1975 I bought from jgsales back in late 2013. Is this normal wear?
>>29743156
It's probably brand new still. Look at all the pristine chip bins. Plus, no mist collectors, the walls will start slowly weeping oil after a year or two of running. I'm pretty jelly of the good natural light they're getting from the side windows though.
>>29746398
>blatant racism
I know the perfect place for you.
Any know anything about the blackheart ak's? I bought a underfolder built on a hungarian parts kit.
just don't be a poor fag op
>>29741309
http://www.fimegroup.com/Vepr-7.62-Series/
>>29747754
Fuck off mate. Racism doesn't particularly bother me (niggers gonna nig) but its clear that there is a clear distinction between shitty nigs and regular blacks. Lumping everyone together and being a fucking idiot about it is just dumb.
>>29741309
bullshit
mine's in .308
Arsenal has been putting out shit lately too
Who would have thunk the WASR would be a good rifle comparitively speaking these days
>>29748234
>>29748234
Your post sounds like something I would have said when I was around 14 and still idealistic despite seeing what 95% of blacks do on a daily basis. Sounds like you can't into generalizations. We all know not all blacks aren't fucking niggers, just like not all asians eat rice, not all indians fail too poo in loo, etc, but they are a significantly small minority among those in their respective groups who do. Even a lot of good blacks hate blacks. Regardless, this is the type of sentiment you will find among most gun enthusiasts. AKfiles does suck for the reason that there are a shit ton of nutswingers of Rob Ski and RD and people who aren't very smart, but this behavior can be found on most all forums. This is why I don't frequent forums and I'd rather be on 4chan where ideas and sound arguments are what is important, not how long you've been a member, your post count, and how much you've e-jerked off a vendor or youtube personality.
