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Seriously though, what are we going to do if one of these antis gets elected?
>in b4 some bernie bot shill
he wants a fucking assault weapon ban, to ban private sales, and to pretty much ban guns in cities
>>29488738
We kobby, we vote in pro gun congressmen and representatives.
We also host classes on basic economics so we can hopefully avoid a democratic socialist nominee in the future.
>>29488738
You take this shit to /pol/
And then you vote in your state and local elections for senators and house members who are in line with your rights as a citizen. Obama was able to do shit when the repubs held Congress, for a good fucking reason.
>>29488749
*lobby
>>29488756
I've emailed my reps. None of the in state fuckers ever responded. The congressman told me he hates Obama but gave me a bullshit answer, and both senators told me to fuck off because they are corrupt commie pieces of shit
>>29488738
>implying the standard us "conservative" gives a fuck about your gun rights or personal freedom in general
In one of the Republican debates they were all promising to ramp up domestic spying to "prevent terrorism"
>>29488749
>implying a mainstream US "conservative" gives a fuck about the economy besides shilling for the corporations that own them
"Muh trickle down"
And Donald Trump supported the AWB
You think he suddenly changed his mind?
>>29488792
Yep, welcome to our political system.
The only thing you can do is vote for people who might listen to your voice.
>>29488749
>he thinks the government has a large impact on the economy except when it severely fucks up like bush did with low interest house loan laws
for the most part a capitalist economy rises and falls on its own
>but socialism
no
go back to /pol/
Asking as an European, why exactly do you want guns in cities?
>>29488920
Why should people who live in cities be banned from having basic human rights?
>>29488738
I move to Europe and enjoy an arsenal much larger than the one I posses in america. Your vote means nothing anymore, you'll learn that if you already havent.
>>29488923
Guns are basic human rights?
>>29488926
Good. Go be among your people. Just claim to be Syrian and they'll literally let you do whatever you want.
>>29488931
Well if College is considered a "basic human right" then why isn't gun ownership?
>>29488920
That's when gun control collapses.
And even the most ardent grabbers are forced to eat shit once their own gun free paradises no longer exist and the majority of the urban population decides to arm up because guns are used for fun and self protection which cities need because rampant crime.
>>29488931
Yes. How is safety not a basic human right?
>>29488931
Self defense is. Lot of good "life and liberty" does you face down in an alleyway.
Cops only make sure the guy can't do it again, and even then they have a pretty abysmal record.
>>29488955
I consider weapons to be tools myself, so I wouldn't figure it's any more of a human right than eating utensils are. Dont' get me wrong, I love my rifle and I have a blast going to the range with it. But I wouldn't think of comparing having it against education that enables you to get a better life. I'm just curious though, American culture is strange to me.
>>29488962
I absolutely cannot relate.
>>29488981
>>29488983
It's probably because I live in Denmark, but I wouldn't dream of needing a weapon to stay safe when going around doing my business.
>>29489005
The town of 12000 people I live in has almost no crime.
The city of 250,000 a few miles away is a different story. Im guessing that where you live in Denmark you have mostly a monoculture going on?
>>29489005
You are aware that most American conservatives are resistant to the idea of higher education, right? Many genuinely believe it's some sort of liberal indoctrination process or some other silly foilhat idea. Aside from that, banking institutions rule over our college system, similar to how insurance companies control our healthcare system, which is why the logistics of things like universal healthcare and education would be completely different ballgame than Europe.
>>29489005
The right to self defense is mostly philosophical, not a day to day necessity. Millions of Americans go about their day without guns even in the shittiest of cities and only a handful are shot or stabbed, but relying on the state to defend you like a rancher with a flock of sheep makes you a subject, not a citizen.
If all men are created equal, allowing only some the right to defense makes them a lot more equal than the others.
>>29489005
Yeah we've got a pest problem here in the US.
They're called niggers and should have been removed over a hundred years ago.
>>29489029
>implying lots of colleges AREN'T huge liberal indoctrination factories
Also most conservatives I know have a masters or more. Father in law has a couple and a doctorate.
>>29489046
Thank you for showing up to prove my point. Not sure what the rest of your post is on about though.
>>29489029
As an actual college grad, every single gen ed class I took was liberal propaganda. Not a joke. Every English, philosophy, ethnic studies, and even gym class was run by someone who had an agenda for being anti gun and pro communism. Literally had an anti gun jew as my gym teacher in college who said he wouldn't teach if they allowed guns on campus (I think NYPD had classes there so there were in fact guns on campus and the school had a pistol and rifle class/team so what the fuck)
>>29489053
His post means "Simply because conservatives don't trust the system doesn't mean they have abandoned all the system has to offer"
It's a complex consideration for someone like an 8 year old. I'd hardly expect a liberal brownshirt to understand it.
>>29489055
Case in point, a large portion of American conservatives think college is a liberal indoctrination process and will write me a wall of text to prove it. My original point was just to point out to the European dude that American conservatives fear education
>>29489065
It came off as more of a "nanna nanna boo boo, I'm better than you" because he found some anecdotes of conservatives who actually finished college, but the whole point was moot because he still went off the "indoctrination" deep end. Just pointing out your rediculous logic makes you shout liberal, foaming at the mouth.
>>29489024
It's mostly that yeah, the biggest minority in my town are Germans who make up 500 people or so. I guess there's a huge difference in culture and raciall/ethnic makeup.
>>29489035
I mean sure I get that, I did my time as a conscript and I understand the importance of self defence but it's just so hard to relate to needing a firearm to defend yourself for me.
>>29488942
I'm white, I won't pass as a shitskin, and i can already do whatever i want there, its called not giving a fuck m8
>>29489091
>hard to relate to needing a firearm to defend yourself for me.
That's because you don't understand the real meaning of the right to life and freedom until you have the right to blast away somebody's life and freedom.
>>29489075
Trying to argue that morn university classes outside of STEM dont have a liberal slant is like trying to argue that. racial hygiene classes in 1935 didn't have a racist slant
>>29489075
I literally teach chemistry in high school and have an MS. I don't fear education. I am just saying I was required to take in college a fucking english class about how multiculturalism is good and a philosophy class where we spent the entire time reading the communist manifesto and black queer feminist lesbian poems.
>>29489055
That sounds horrible bro. I go to a small private college in central Florida and every class I've taken has been very objective in regards to guns. Those who are left leaning just refrain from talking about it and everyone just kinda minds there own business. I'm interning in DC right now and every class I take I have to hear some pretentious bullshit about how "horrible" American culture when it comes to the right to self defense. About 75% of the time it's from some exchange student who comes from a homogenous country that literally thinks DC is an accurate representation of the United States.
>>29489110
Their*
>>29489105
I wasn't. You're the one with the chips in that basket. I'm pointing out to the European that American conservatives fear higher education, and they do.
>>29489053
>>29489087
>All these people that disagree with me are crazy
>Aha! They're disagreeing with me! This is proof that they're crazy!
There may not be some tinfoil level conspiracy going on, but you're either blind or not a grad if you don't believe theres a huge bias. The larger the school is, the worse it gets.
>>29489118
More conservatives have stem degrees than liberals. Liberal arts has a liberal slant and general education classes are just a scam used to steal your money and are typically taught by leftists because who the fuck else gets a phd in philosophy?
Actually core classes for useful majors are fine and no conservative fears them
Liberals can be pro gun. Try to break up his support. Be pro gun and pro abortion rights, pro gun and feminist, pro gun and a member of the LGBT alliance.
It may be a bitter pill to swallow at first but in the end it will do you good.
>>29489107
I think you're conflating indoctrination with people teaching you about things outside of your comfort zone and ideas that challenged your way of life. Nobody was forcing you to go, or to think any of that was true. The fact that you're still whining about it on an imageboard during school hours despite having a Masters should be "proof" that it's not some grand indoctrination.
>>29489055
Literally just got this email from school:
A Mr. Bulk-E message from STUDENT LIFE:
NEW ANNOUNCEMENTS:
----The Jungle of Oppression will be open from 2-4pm and 6-8pm in the Governors room in the Student Center today and tomorrow.
On the teaching level it really depends on the instructor, there seems to be an even mix. Most will try to leave their opinions at the door.
That said, I'm deep in the Bible Belt. Don't know what it's like in Blue States.
>>29489129
>his whole argument was that college isn't foilhat inc
>he's so fucking told because I said he's calling people crazy
Is your whole argument to make yourself look stupid?
>>29489161
>tfw blue state
>tfw had to take a mandatory DO NOT RAPE online course before I could actually attend classes
>it was two hours long
Patronizing as fuck.
>>29489035
>If all men are created equal, allowing only some the right to defense makes them a lot more equal than the others.
Not to mention police have an obligation to defend society at large rather than the individual in need.
>>29489091
Firearms are the only relevant self-defense in my opinion. Knives are just a terrible idea, as is any 'weapon' that requires you to be in reach of the attacker. Pepper spray is a joke, and tasers aren't something I'd want to rely on without backup.
Plus, firearms are the only real defense of liberty. "A bottle of mace behind every blade of grass" really just doesn't cut it.
>>29489005
You would be enabled a better life if you didn't get robbed while coming home from your university, ending up stabbed. Stuck at the hospital where you miss the largest tests you can imagine so you tail the class and in abysmal hate you drop out and life in a shed with cats stealing shopping carts and blowing bubbles.
>>29488910
When you start nationalizing our largest industries it ducks up the economy you gigantic fucking mong.
>>29489150
It's spring break this week so I got off. And they did force me to go. Those were fucking required general education classes to get my undergrad and they fucking had an attendance policy at my college because of the number of poor fags on financial aid legally needed to attend class and it was too discriminatory to just check if they were in class.
When you sign up for a philosophy class you shouldn't be spending the entire class on maxism and feminism with 0 counter points or arguments against. Fucking english teacher gave me a worse grade than a kid who used the fucking phrase "more gooder" because I kept calling her out on being a fucking muh feelings liberal.
The only thing that was good was my ethnic studies professor (which I had to take because the hispanics bitched that the school had to mandate students take such a class) made racist jokes all the time and made a white girl drop the class because she was so offended.
>>29489055
As a student at A&M every teacher Ive met has been staunchly pro gun and most people are conservative.
>>29489118
We are a bunch of college students and we fear education?
Also, we don't know what our college experience has been like?
>>29489211
It doesn't sound like you took an actual philosophy class. Here in my blue state, they actually teach logical reasoning, like fallacies, if-then statements, etc. they actually teach you to argue. I'd really have to try hard to find one of these indoctrination classes, maybe they only exist in Bible Belt states to "prove" that it exists, idk.
>>29489174
Honestly I've just had to punch fools on the side of their heads when they've gotten uppity. It's a real different world over across the Atlantic. I suppose, as well, Europeans are more 'docile' towards their government too. Not that it's something I know for sure, but it seems like it.
>>29489176
Last time I had an emergency during finals season I was allowed to reschedule. I'm certain getting stabbed wouldn't get you failed here.
>>29489253
It was a college in NYC.
>>29489165
I'm just pointing out that he's using the fact that people disagree as proof that he's right. Its like saying that people who disagree that manspreading is a big issue is proof that the patriarchy exists.
>>29489263
How convenient, still doesn't sound like a real philosophy class. Maybe you took a class on Marxism or something? I may have taken only one class in it, but our philosophy classes tend to contain philosophy.
>>29489289
>I've never experienced it so it mustn't exist
Nightmare mode, this guy becomes governor of California and starts to institute confiscation and Britain-tier gun controls.
>>29489285
So a conservative claiming that college is liberal indoctrination isn't proof that conservatives believe that college is liberal indoctrination?
Help me out here, because your example doesn't really match mine.
>>29489293
I never said that, I'm just saying that your college doesn't seem to know what the hell philosophy is, and that you got ripped off. You should have found a college that teaches philosophy curriculum in its philosophy course.
>>29489029
STEM
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Most people that I've met at my school are really cool. I've met a few faggots who, once they figure out that I'm pro-gun and shit, will nitpick at everything I do; because I like discrediting their verbal shitposts. Someone wrote Trump2016 with chalk around my campus today. Feels gud man.
It seems like there's more Bern fags, but it's just a the same few people being really loud and chimping out.
>>29489311
>implying any of these people even are conservative
I'm fairly liberal in some aspects and moderate is the majority of the rest. Guns are the only one I'd be considered a "conservative" on but even then I'm more pro gun that most conservatives.
>>29488738
Don't we already have an AWB?
What we going to ban guns twice fuck.
I hate politics.
>>29489289
We spent the first 3 or 4 classes on plato, then read the communist manifesto, and then read weird feminist shit in increasingly weird feminist order. Like we started with some bitch, then we went to a dyke, then a black dyke, then like a black handicapped dyke
In one of the other philosophy classes I shit you not my friend had to write an essay about how god isn't real based on that why does evil exist thing.
I'm an atheist, but shit that is fedoria as fuck
>>29489311
Where did any of those people say they were conservatives? You're not applying labels to people to try to prove yourself right, are you?
What to do if an anti gunner gets elected president?
You mean like what already happened? Obama tried all sorts of shit to pull in gun control, and all that got him was a shit load of pro gunners winning seats in Congress and Senate, and pro gunners winning seats in State level Senates and Assemblies. So long as we hold those fronts, they can't do much, even their executive orders won't amount to anything if they're defunded. They can't get a Supreme Court Justice in either, if the pro gunner senators and congresspeople keep blocking nominations too.
And if that all doesn't work at the end of the day, remember, we can simply refuse to comply. What good is sending the ATF or the police after us, if we outnumber them several hundred times to one? And even if they were dumb enough to try and get the military to try and round up guns, they'd have to deal with the simple fact that no matter how anti gun you/your politicians are, that doesn't magically make you bullet proof. All it takes is one dedicated marksman to permanently end one of those gun grabbing cunts. Whoever takes the seat afterwards will have received a very good message that way.
So yeah.
Politicians/bureaucrats/their families are not bullet proof. Remember that. It's what the 2nd amendment was written in for.
>>29489337
>no true Scotsman
Kek
>>29488923
guns are not a basic human right.
>>29488981
doesnt mean that any means is good for some prossible situation.
why do you think you need paramilitar equipment for your house safety?
>>29488955
I didnt know it was, it shouldnt be.
>>29488862
Fuck trump fuck been I and fuck shill Clinton, stay away from the fucking guns and work on the poverty and obesity problem.
>>29489293
Not the guy you're replying to, but it's your own damn fault that you took some kind of bullshit "comparative ethics" class for your requirement because it sounded easy only to find out that it had no substance.
Had you taken something like epistemology or a class on formal logic, I guarantee you would not have had to deal with hack professors or brainwashed students.
>>29489341
Obama when it comes down to facts was the most pro guns of the last few presidents iirc
>>29489305
>Nightmare mode
his election to governor is almost 100% assured, after that he runs for president in 2024
>>29489340
If it quacks like a duck, it's clearly a liberal and you're making labels to prove yourself right
>>29488910
Are you stupid? We teach people basic economics so that they can tell when a politician is talking out of there ass and to prevent economic assets being nationalized.
>>29489347
Nigga what are you even implying?
>most liberals assume you're a bible thumping conservative if you like guns
>lots of actual conservatives either are fine with guns wherte they are now or are actual complete thunderfudds
>meanwhile I get lumped in with them and I want a full litteral SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED interpretation.
>>29488862
I'd say yes, considering he's been campaigning as pro-gun. I doubt he'd pull a complete 180 and go full "nobody needs a semi-auto, I tricked you" once he gets sworn in. The worst I could imagine him doing is simply not touching guns while he's in office, which is still better than those who would be actively pushing to get rid of them.
>>29489091
There's truth to say that God made men but Sam Colt made them equal. A gun can be effectively used by almost anyone against most everyone.
>>29488808
I get it, the promise of free shit has blinded you and it's uncool to vote for anyone with a "R" next to their name, but do you honestly think any of the candidates will stop domestic spying? I'd rather be armed so that when we finally have enough something can be done about it as opposed to the alternative: poor, unarmed and speed on.
>inb4 much Gary Johnson!
Yeah something abut good intentions, wasting your vote and how the laws still apply to you even if you voted for someone else. Like it or not, until the great bloody reset button gets pushed on the American govt. you vote for the lesser of two evils.
>>29489374
That you used the no true Scotsman fallacy, it's not that hard to figure out.
>>29489358
I had to take a philosophy 101 class. I took a class literally labeled philosophy 101. It ended up being communist gender studies. I had to take a class labeled english101 and english 102, english 101 english teachers got to pick their own topics. My english 102 class was all about "love" and we got to do a radio show instead of an essay for the final. Took a class called health and fitness. Entire class was an old jewish guy reading the news paper for half an hour talking about how he hated guns and then going to the gym for half an hour
I didn't go out of my way to pick bullshit classes, these literally were the classes were required of me for gen ed. There was no set curriculum for most liberal arts classes, the teachers could do what they wanted. Only really the science classes, english, and history had strong chairs that standardized things. Hell even in calc we had a teacher who never showed us how to do integration the quicker way and none of the tutors could help because they didn't know how to do it her long as retarded way
>>29489055
>be me
>US History first day of class
>professor goes, "My name is Professor Anon, but don't call me professor. I was a football coach for 20+ years, so just call me coach anon."
>History is politically incorrect, so we're not going to be politically correct in here.
>Basically tells Sanders and Hillary fags to fuck off
>Mentions his historic gun collection
>milsurpboner.png
>"We're mostly going to be covering the wars since 1877 in here. We'll spend the most time on WWII."
>holyfuckingshit.gif
>Talk to him after class
>Start talking about milsurp
>Mother fucker restored a WWII jeep
>Drives it around with old WWII vets
>Bought an Ohio Ordinance B.A.R
>Original civil war enfields and springfields
>WWII 1911s
>All matching Garands worth a shit ton
Basically show up 30 minutes early to talk with this guy. Probably the most /k/ instructor I've ever had. Dude metal detects and shows me pictures of the recent stuff he's dug up. Cool guy.
>>29489098
What privilege do you check?
White?
Muslim?
Dubs?
>>29489305
>>29489362
Maybe not.
Last I heard, SOCAL and NORCAL democrats are having a pissing contest over who is the most liberal, and both sides absolutely hate the other. If we can get in a good candidate, while the dem votes are split, we might be able to win the governor's seat.
Or we can simply not obey the edicts of the next anti gunner that takes the seat, and get ready for a fight. A lot of the regions in CA that isn't LA/SF/That shitty western strip of coast between them are getting awfully sick of their shit.
>>29489362
He ain't running for governor until 2018, famalam.
>>29489396
It sounds more like you're using that fallacy, m8.
>>29489411
I had a history professor who I swear to fucking god he trips on /sp/ or at least did at the time. Dude was literally a balding ginger neck beard who weight like 250. Was a cool as fuck dude. I liked his class.
>>29489396
But I didn't?
I'm really not sure where you're getting that from m8.
>>29489359
I suppose it's in the way that he managed to trigger an unprecedented rise in the pro gun movement. I am really loving how salty the gun grabbers have been getting, over the states that adopted Constitutional Carry this last decade.
>>29489341
I'm already learning to make bomb and detonators thanks to murderkube
And I'm buying illegal handgun Mr.ATF
>>29489411
My US History professor was a Civil War reenactor and he wore his uniform when we were covering it in class. He was one of the basest instructors I've had. Most of my history teachers I've had were pretty cool, now that I think about it.
Oh I love it when Europeans come in all hoity toity bitching about how you don't "need" this or that. Must be nice to live in a homogenous culture where you don't have to worry about minorities killing you for 20$ in your wallet. Then they go on and ignore how the UK has strict as fuck gun laws and ridiculous laws about knives and stuff in general, yet they still have a high violent crime.
Eurofaggots are used to being told what to do and how to live so it #triggers them when other people are content to be responsible for themselves and their families.
>>29489421
which changes nothing, he will run for president in 2024
>>29488738
I honestly don't think Sanders really gives a shit about guns.
In any case you can't deny he's the most seemingly principled person in the running, regardless of whether or not you share his ideological positions.
>>29488910
Mfw clinton signed that bill that changed the lending standards. I just took a few years for it to collapse.
>>29489406
What school did you attend? Because at mine (PSU), you could test out of many of the Gen. Ed requirements, including the things that you mentioned.
Also, you should keep in mind that stuff like the Republic and the Communist Manifesto represent the upper limits of what your average incoming college freshman is able to easily digest (asking them to read Locke, Erasmus, Kant, without a decent background in philosophy is probably too much) and also that neither work is at all "liberal" in the sense of American liberalism. The Republic presents a paternalistic, authoritarian state that is ruled by a philosopher king and safeguarded by a class of highly educated warrior-elites, while the Communist Manifesto advocates a state without government in which the workers control the means of production.
I can't comment on the other stuff you mentioned, though it sounds like utter bullshit.
>>29489495
I agree here. I'd definitely say he's the most genuinely caring of candidates, and I doubt he'd be nearly as bad as Obama or Hillary when it comes to guns. Whether you think he'll save the country or kill it is up to you, but he is admirable.
>>29489495
He said he wants an assault weapons ban. Said no one needs a semi auto. And he wants to raise my taxes by $10,000.
He can fuck himself.
>>29488738
Riot. Also >>>/pol/
>>29489521
John Jay College of Criminal Justice for my under grad and I don't think we actually read the republic.
>>29489098
>white
Ok bud. Remember, white doesnt have to be a skin color, its a mentality.
>>29489495
>In any case you can't deny he's the most seemingly principled person in the running
let me guess, you thought George W was great because "I'd like to have a beer with him"
>>29489528
>tfw poor
>tfw Bernie wants to raise my taxes because I actually don't know what it's like to be poor since I'm white
That socialist cocksucker can go fuck a rake.
>>29488738
How is kasich antigun?
>>29489495
The sad thing about the current election is that both of the outsiders are half-right. The parasites and illegals are screwing normal Americans over from below by taking way more than they deserve, while the corporations and their support for globalism and multiculturalism (something common to both parties) in the name of depressing wages are screwing normal Americans over from above. It is a shame that everyone is unable to come together and get something done about these problems despite them being so obvious.
>>29489598
Also he's bought and paid for by george soros.
>>29489598
Kasich worked with the Clintons to get the AWB in 1994 passed and Bill actually wrote him a letter to thank him about it.
>>29488738
>Kasich
>Anti gun
Ohiofag here.
He removed the 30 round magazine cap, made CCW classes shorter, and made hunting with suppressors legal.
>>29489622
>>29489628
So he supported one shitty law. But >>29489637 He seems more anti-assault weapon and pro-gun then anti-gun.
>>29489660
>>29489637
But yet, still supported the AWB. You think that after having supported such a grand anti-gun bill, he's suddenly going to be pro-gun?
And anon, there's no such thing as someone who's "anti-assault weapon." That just means they're anti-gun but they're still trying to hold on to what little of the gun community believes their lies
>>29489495
>I honestly don't think Sanders really gives a shit about guns.
I honestly don't think you know who Bernie Sanders is.
>>29489660
>"anti-assault weapon"
>pro gun
Literally pick one.
I also don't give a fuck what he's done recently. He supported "one shitty law" known as the fucking 1994 AWB. We need to (and especially in the current political climate) let people know that their support for anti gun bills will not be tollerated or forgotten.
>>29489677
>>29489690
"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record."
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000
So who the hell am I supposed to vote for?
>>29489660
Anti assault weapon is anti gun you retard.
Also, as mentioned earlier m8.
He is bought and paid for by George fucking Soros.
>>29489144
This guy gets it. You can be a screaming bible thumper or a fedora tipping atheist, you can be liberal or conservative, you can be denizen of /k/ or a total fucking normie, and still like guns. If any of you ever manage to do the community pheasant hunt in Hart, Texas, you'll see gun owners from literally every single walk of life show up because, regardless or gender, race, creed, political affiliation, etc, a common shared hobby still brings them all together. Left wing politicians will "say" that they support gun control to get the votes from the far left, just like how every right wing politician has to swear about how much they love Jesus to get the far right vote. But nothing's actually going to happen, because people like their guns and politicians know that they can't change that. Hell, I live in Houston, a city which regularly votes in left wing mayors and city reps, and we still love our guns just as much as ever. One of my coworkers has mounted hunting trophies in his office, I've got another coworker who brought in his old 1911 for a company photo shoot we were doing, and I would readily guess that least 20-25% of the people in the office are cc'ing right now. Most lefties just want gay people to be armed and married, and politicians who campaign on gun control are just doing it in an effort to pander to the wackos and get their votes. Case in point, we've got a liberal mayor right now, and there haven't been any ordinances against gun ownership (in fact, with the new open carry laws, the opposite has happened). I'm not saying there aren't gun grabbing politicians out there (Feinstein), but for the most part, they're pretty much powerless.
tl;dr no matter what your position happens to be, it's not as _______ as you think it is
But hey, what do I know. I'm just a Texas gun owner who's only seen gun laws get more relaxed.
>>29489731
>Hart, TX
Sounds like a damn fine place.
You're absolutely right, anon. The future is Libertarian. Personal protection is a universal human right.
The best to you and yours.
>>29489718
Vote Cruz.
>>29489144
Guns are the only hobby I have that I don't get pissed off when libs join
Here's the way I see it: if a sperg shooting up a boatload of children with a scary black rifle couldn't get a ban through, I don't know what will. The worst case scenario already happened and we survived; so unless some klansman executes a hundred babies live on television with a 100-round drum mag AR-15, we're pretty safe. That doesn't mean you can relax, however, it just means we're off the defensive and on the offense.
>>29489463
This.
I cannot understand how people can tout such suicidal idea as complete disarmament while knowing that their only hope for survival is violent self defense. It really escapes me. How can you look at your wife, your children, and willingly tell them that you support a system that will sacrifice their very LIVES for no reason at all? Doesn't it tug at some part of your conscience to tout universal disarmament while knowing that the only people giving up weapons are the people who need them most?
>>29489718
GARY JOHNSON, BABY
>>29489750
>Vote Cruz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBDbGyv6SIQ
>mfw "liberals" are anti-gun ownership and yet still refer to themselves as "liberals"
the fuck happened to you guys anyway? where'd the rebellious freedom loving ones go?
>>29489718
I'd still vote Trump over Kasich because Kasich has actually voted for gun control before.
Trump is more of a wildcard on the subject.
>>29488920
To protect myself from basketball Americans
>>29488920
"wanting guns in cities" is bad way of putting it.
I live in a rural small towm area where I never have to worry about carrying a piece, but even here, the nearest major city (Harrisburg, PA) is a complete violence-infested shit hole that I would never wander into on foot without my CCW. Just the few times ive been into the downtown area I've been harrassed by trash at least once.
basically, cities are awful places here, even the nice ones are filled with violence.
>>29489814
>Trump is more of a wildcard
Trump is a populist. That means ban everything.
>>29489161
Born and raised in Texas, went to college in California. It honestly wasn't that bad. Yeah, we learned about oppression and stuff, but it was mostly in the context of "this was a bunch of bullshit that went down and then the civil rights movement happened. There are still things we could do better, but we're honestly improving all the time so don't get your panties in a twist about it." In four years, I only had a single class that was tumblr-tier, and even then it was just the professor. We all parroted the talking points because we wanted an A, but I knew most of the students outside of class, and no one really gave a damn. Maybe I'm the exception, but i don't think so. Case in point, I'm sure most of you have seen the story about the girl who attacked the white guy on campus for having dreadlocks. Pretty much every single article, comment, or commentary I've seen on it (coming from students), has been outrage, a general consensus of "no, attacking someone over their fucking hair is not okay." While colleges definitely lean left of center, I've seen a noticeable shift away from far-left thinking in student populations. One example, I have a friend in Dallas who up until recently was full on anti-gun, but she's been seeing me and a few of my other friends handling our guns, not being absolute idiots with them, and now she's bought a handgun to keep at home because it makes her feel safer knowing it's there. This is obviously just my experience, and it could be a total fluke, but what I've seen honestly makes me feel hopeful.
>>29489174
Pepper spray won't cut it in a life or death situation, but I can see where it has its place. There are situations in which nonlethal self defense is warranted.
>>29489388
Did you happen to miss how both Trump and Kasich want to ban anyone who's on the government's secret watch lists from being able to purchase a gun without due process?
>hur dur vote for the lesser of two evils
From where I stand, both sides want to shit all over all of my rights and no matter which "lesser evil" I throw my vote at I will lose all the same.
>>29489814
Trump supported banning people who are on the government's secret watch list as of last December, same as Kasich.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/11/robert-farago/donald-trump-nist-watch-list/
>>29489988
Literally check his campaign site
He wants national concealed carry rights
Do your research
>>29490098
>check his campaign site
Less than worthless.
>He wants national concealed carry rights
He wants to get elected. He would do anything to get the nomination. As a populist he would give the people what they want, which intermittently is ban everything.
It will not get unbanned afterwards.
>>29490098
Yeah, he also supports banning people from purchasing guns without due process because the government put them on a secret list, see the post right above yours.
>>29488931
Yes
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