Why did it take so long for gun makers to start using double stack magazines? It seems like a pretty simple design. Did somebody patent it in 1890 and then they had to wait for the patent to expire in the 70s?
Lee-enfields had a double stack in 1900. It mostly arises from two things; need and ease of manufacturing. Remember 30rnd magazines for intermediate cartridges didn't become the norm until the 1960s, before then an single stack did just fine because space was not an issue for a lower cap mag.
>>29302306
For the record, he was was quoting what someone had said to him.
>>29302411
Was he? That changes my thoughts on the matter then.
I have a very close friend who lived in west Sacremento ( Its fucking frightening down there.) and he's whiter than fucking white, so hearing this "whites don't know poor" stuff always kills me.
>>29302441
Yep.
>what is the entirety of the rural SE US
>what about all the white people living in major metro areas
If, according the the US government, 60% of the US population is under $30,000 net income per person, and if, according to the US government, blacks make up only 21% of the US population, wouldn't that mean there are more poor white people than ALL black people combined?
>>29302306
some of it is fuddlore muh reliability, some of it is need, some is intitutional inertia. But there have been plenty double stacks over the years, just it wasn't until 40 years ago people realized that revolvers are not the safer option. Suddenly the need for outcompeting other manufacturers drove the market to good ol 15+ mags
>>29302441
>>29302411
He was not quoting someone there, Those are his own words.
He quoted someone before this and HIS response to the man was the pictured quote.
Got news for you Bernie. My mom raised me in the ghetto as a 19 year old nursing school student with almost no help from my father. Help which he would have given, but she didn't ask for. Rich, we most certainly were not.
I think people just had a realistic expectation of how man rounds they would need. If you need more than 7 you'll probably need more than 15 too.
>>29302411
I guess that quote cuts out the part where he disagreed with it and condemns the person he is quoting.
>>29302306
>That quote
Proof how obliviously detached politicians are from reality
>>29302306
>>29302306
I wonder if this fucking goy hears what he says
>>29302562
Whoops forgot pic
>>29302545
Those are his own words, fuck off /k/ you shill.
>>29302483
It's his answer to the debate question "cite your racial blindspots/everyone is a little racist, how is a way you are racist" or some bull like that.
>>29302545
If I remember correctly, he was quoting a BLM "activist" saying only the blacks have ever been poor, I doubt that millennial pandering faggot would condem that person
>>29302468
Yes. This is Marlboro/Hi Point Country, where over 70% of the poor people are white. They're also all voting for trump because they're sick of listening to blacks and dikes bitch about how bad they have it. We have Mexicans by the truckload but you don't hear them complaining, in English at least
Talking about the picture = /pol/
Also Bernie is pro-gun as fuck he's from Vermont.
>>29302644
>I'm English at least
Kek
When I was born I was given a onesie made of 100 dollar bills and a house. I was given a good job too. Holy fuck I love being white.
>>29302644
Most Mexicans or at least legal ones want trump to bring back all the fracking jobs, the only people really supporting sanders or Clinton or groups with victim complexes or entitled pot smoking children
>>29302306
what if you're white and live in the ghetto
>>29302661
not even close to true, he believes you shouldn't be allowed to own handguns.
>>29302441
I grew up in a homeless shelter but you wouldnt know from looking at me, because im not a faggot who uses poverty as a crutch
>>29302678
Why are you a bootlicker for rich fatcats? Bernie is going to take their money and give it to the poor and middle class. He's also more pro gun than that racist Trump. He's from Vermont.
>>29302690
like that Tiny Tim dickbag, amirite?
>>29302689
Most gun deaths are from hand guns though.
>>29302661
He was kinda pro-gun and anti-immigration, but those kinds of opinions will kill your campaign in the traitor party.
>>29302661
>pro-gun
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-gun-policy/
>believes in gun show loophole
>believes in 10rd limits
>believes in AWB
>believes in more background checks
>>29302661
He knew what he was getting into using that pic also,
>sanders pro gun
>I will take the following concrete steps to reduce gun violence: strengthen and better enforce the instant background check system; close the gun-show loophole; make 'straw man' purchases a federal crime; ban semi-automatic assault weapons which are designed strictly for killing human beings; and work to fix our broken mental health system.
>“I think the vast majority of the American people, as the president indicated, including gun owners -- I know that's true here in Vermont -- want sensible gun control legislation,” he added.
>“I come from the state which has virtually no gun control. And yet, I voted to ban certain types of assault weapons, I voted to close the gun show loophole,” Sanders told host Chuck Todd, before also calling for stricter background checks.
>>29302705
Okay I know you're just shitposting now.
>>29302689
>u shouldn't be allowed to own handguns.
Bernie is from based Vermont. Yes, he voted for the AWB and has been pandering to the soccer mom crowd but he's not a gun grabber.
>>29302732
At least he's it looking to ban all guns like Trump.
>>29302661
>>29302705
He's not pro gun
>>29302716
Doesn't matter, Hand guns, are still guns
>see
>>29302732
>>29302742
Why do you keep mentioning hes from Vermont as if that means anything?
>>29302730
no jew has ever been anti-immigration or pro-gun
>>29302742
He believes in gun control in other words, He is a gun graber
>>29302759
First post, snepai. It's because VT is the most /k/ state besides Alaska.
>>29302759
Cause he medically confirmed retarded. Cause Im from California, so I must be a doctor or something right?
>>29302441
>west sac
kek, I literally piss on people from west sac for fun
>>29302730
He isn't either of those things
>>29302759
Because that's just rhetoric. Look at Vermont the gun laws are still based as fuck and that's because he defended gun rights in the past.
>>29302775
Well I was born in Texas and I think beans in chili is alright, guess your little theory there is shit then
>>29302775
>Can't even fucking spell senpai right.
>>29302775
I live in Virgina, doesn't mean I have a shrine to Robert E Lee
He's stated that he is anti-gun, being from Vermont doesn't mean shit
>Commies go
>>29302782
It was either East or West I cant remember.
>>29302789
He has literally never protected gun rights, he just hasn't been able to demolish them as hard as he'd like to
>Commies Get
>>29302732
Arguably preferable to Trump's position that the government should be able to ban anyone from owning a gun without due process because they might be dangerous:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/11/robert-farago/donald-trump-nist-watch-list/
Not to mention that with selective enforcement of Trump's proposal would allow for ridiculous gun bans to be enacted by executive order.
>>29302751
Trump believes in Constitutional Carry, not even Cruz is that pro gun...
>>29302822
reality vs retarded ideological stand about how your morals require you to aid your enemy
You are the latter
I'm going to have to say he screwed up when he said that, because I know he knows poor white people exist. I'm just chalking this up to misspeaking.
Cool you tits, ameripoors.
>>29302834
Donald is a populist, he's just saying what people wanted to hear. Out of the 4 main candidates Bernie is the 2nd most pro-gun after Cruz.
>There are people trying to convince us that Bernie "I believe in an assault weapons ban" Sanders is pro-gun just because he's from a certain state
Daily reminder
>>29302853
He hates white people
he's a jewish communist
Do you see the sort of white hating lefties that support him?
>>29302854
>Not realizing Bern will sell out guns in trade for some socialist bullshit like quashing the student debt of people who got useless degrees for $200,000
>>29302854
Surely you have some proofs for that claim
>inb4 "Vermont" like it means anything
>>29302854
Bernie has not once, ever, said anything pro gun
He has only spoken out against the ownership of guns.
>see
>>29302732
>>29302737
>Commies on suicide watch
>Commies
>>29302854
>Donald is a populist, he's just saying what people wanted to hear.
He beyond populist, he's a demagogue.
>>29302789
>voted on bills related to guns in any way 7 times
>voted to remove rights all 7 times
>"pro gun"
You should not be allowed to vote
>>29302411
You goddamn liar.
It was his response to the question. The quote is separate.
>>29302854
HA.
http://bearingarms.com/socialist-bernie-sanders-wants-ban-self-defense-firearms/
GET FUCKED COMMIE KEK.
>>29302841
Under Trump's proposal, there's nothing keeping the government from simply adding everyone to the terror watch list and only denying the purchases of guns they disprove of. While gun bans spelled out in the law are shit, they don't come close to being as shitty as giving the executive branch the ability to unilaterally ban the sale of any gun they don't like.
>>29302919
You seem to believe an offhand comment that likely was not even totally in response to whatever the question is, constitutes some sort of definitive policy statement.
>>29302678
>bring back all the fracking jobs
1) that's not possible at current oil prices; fracking jobs are decreasing here because fracking is nonviable as a production means for oil at current refined gas prices.
2) Trump can't exactly back out of purchasing imported oil without taking a huge step back in middle east relations while at the same time raising gas prices all across the country. That's essentially political suicide.
>>29302919
This.
Say Trump becomes president and this passes.
Then after 4 or 8 years, say Hillery or whoever is president. Now this president can pick and choose who gets to have guns at will.
Fucking Trump supporters, man. Not even once.
>>29302919
>there's nothing keeping the government from simply adding everyone to the terror watch list
The fucking mental gymnastics these people pull just to shill against Trump is truly awe inspiring
>>29302940
>Implying Trump won't Make America Great Again
>Implying he won't hand pick his successor
>Implying it won't be his son
>>29302919
Trump is just looking for an all out ban, this is Berlin all over again with brown/black people as the new Jew.
>>29302958
>We need to preserve our institutions by arming and abetting enemies within our country
Totally sound policy
We'll just skip over the open democrat support of jihadists all around the world huh
>>29302958
>trump is going to ban all browns guise!!!
>>29302919
>>29302940
>>29302958
>All of these posts are over 1 minute apart
>Number of unique IP's didn't raise for any of them
Nothing suspicious going on here
>>29302970
>We'll just skip over the open democrat support of jihadists all around the world huh
wut?
Be sure to convince your wifes lover to vote for bernie!
Feel the bern!
>>29302953
I'm sorry, I just got through 8 years of people going on about what Obama could do by executive order when there was no legal way for him to do what the claim. I'm not going to give a president an actual legal way to accomplish any of that shit no matter what party they're from.
>>29302983
What, can't handle people having different political views?
I am from Vermont, Bernie would sometimes vote for laws that had no chance in hell. However when it comes to laws that might restrict gun rights he always vote pro-gun.
>>29302799
>currently living in Virginia
>tfw no shrine to Robert E. Lee
I should throw something together
>>29303031
His voting record is public, he has literally never, voted pro gun, he has only voted on gun control 7 times, every time it was anti-gun.
>>29302863
>Australia is disregarded automatically as a troll
>superlativelaughter.png
Straya confirmed meme nation and meme continent
>>29302775
You know, it's almost like an individual can have their own opinion on something independent of what the general consensus of an area is.
>>29303014
I can edit posts too
>>29303096
>makes claim about editing posts
>can't even edit it correctly
0/10, try harder Trumpfag.
>>29303035
Buy a LeMatte Revolver Confederate battle flag, Confederate cap and a white candle, that should do it.
>>29303131
>Trying to deflect the main point (how easy it is to edit pictures of posts) to save your own skin
Let's see a photograph of your computer screen faggot, then your claim might have some legitimacy
>>29303243
What exactly is this supposed to help with?
>>29302937
>taking a huge step back in middle east relations
FUCK THE MIDDLE EAST. LET THEM DROWN IN THEIR OIL WHILE THEY KILL EACH OTHER OVER RELIGIONS.
LET ISRAEL BURN AND DIE ALONG WITH THE REST OF IT.
>>29303288
I mean a photograph with a camera, so we can see all the little screen smudges and reflections that would make it extremely difficult to edit out a couple of (you)'s
>>29303329
Yeah, I'll waste my time doing that and then you'll just claim I edited the page. There are plenty of people on /k/ who disagree with your political views, deal with it.
>>29302483
This, that wont stop leftists from using mental gymnastics to justify what he said though.
>>29303401
Man, it's gonna be fun to watch how you people start acting when elections are only about a month away and Trump is still leading every poll. The panicked shilling will be glorious.
>>29303150
LeMats were popular with Confederate officers, but Lee carried a Colt Navy.
>>29302742
>>29302730
>>29302661
>>29302732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_62eU2P2W2M
I'm the faggot who posted this >>29303470
but, in Bernie's defense, at least he understands that you hold the criminals liable, not the manufacturer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT3RYLkzirA
>>29303429
>The panicked shilling will be glorious.
And who exactly do you think I'll be shilling for?
>>29302908
Thank you anon. I will save this for my retarded friends and family if they bring it up again.
>>29302411
That's a straight up lie, senpai.
Those are Bernie's words. He wasn't quoting anyone when he said them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IlGoeDIUQ
>meaningful differences between candidates
>voting in elections
>>29303540
Nigger the one thing everyone can agree on about Trump is that he's NOT like the other candidates.
>>29303564
Trump is more similar to Bernie than he is to Cruz.
>>29303505
King Cuck of course
I don't seem to understand the Sanders hate, he's here to take American back from the establishment who BTW wants to take your precious guns.
>mfw Trump is blocked in the Republican convention and his followers lose their shit.
>>29303582
...who is?
>>29303576
In what ways?
Give specific examples in his own words / of his own actions.
>>29303617
Come on anon, don't play dumb, you know exactly who I'm talking about.
>>29303633
No, I don't, because I don't frequent /pol/. You could be talking about Trump for all I know.
>>29303644
What kind of game you playing at here anon? Because I don't believe you genuinely don't know I'm talking about the guy that everyone else in the thread is talking about right now that isn't Trump.
>>29303605
>bernie
>anti-establishment
If he was anti-establishment, there would be overwhelming amounts of media bias against him.
Talking heads would either distort or outright lie/fabricate things he said.
Billionaires would fund protesters to organize smear campaigns against him.
Both democrats and republicans would speak out against him, denounce him for being a racist, fascist, bigot, or whatever they could get to stick.
>>29303684
Funny, considering that's pretty much everything the media is poorly attempting to do with Trump right now.
Sad how the general rule of thumb these days is whoever the media hates the most is usually the best person.
>>29302593
THIS.
These are his own words, and he was not quoting anyone at all.
For evidence; see the whole speech.
He said exactly what he meant.
I cannot fathom why someone wouldnthrow support behind him. Especially working class, white men, or gun owners.
>>29303684
>If he was anti-establishment, there would be overwhelming amounts of media bias against him.
Are you insane? Have you listened to the media in regards to Bernie, the liberal Media is in Hilleries camp, and the conservative media is ignoring him.
He's this years Ron Paul or Buddy Roemer, unless he actually managers to beat Hillery.
>>29303669
Bernie isn't even going to make it past the primaries with the way things are going right now unless Hillary gets arrested or dies, both of which are equally unlikely. Why would I assume you're talking about someone who wouldn't even be in the running a month before the general election?
>>29303739
>I cannot fathom why someone wouldnthrow support behind him. Especially working class
Have you seen the people he is running against?
>>29302593
Quit making shit up. He was literally describing what someone else told him. You could not be stupider.
>>29303757
That's who everyone else is shilling for so I just assumed.
If it actually comes down to a fight between Hillary and Trump than it's fucking over, that walls going up faster than you can say "make America great again"
>>29303768
Did you watch the video?
>>29303739
>I cannot fathom why someone wouldnthrow support behind him. Especially working class, white men, or gun owners.
Uh, Trump once called American POWs losers. I don't think voters have long memories.
>>29303783
Yes. Its called context and comprehension. Addressing concerned from a group of people instead of alienating them. Time to grow up, anon.
Politics and this identity politics in particular is bullshit.
Dont buy into the race baiting, or the Left vs Right bullshit.
We are all gunowners and we all enjoy liberty and certain freedoms, do not divide eachother further with identifying with political parties that only serve their own special interests.
Have we not learned after 100yrs of this that both sides are to blame
>>29303784
Well they either volunteered or got drafted, making them losers
then they got captured, making them double losers
And he was only talking about mccain, not all POW's
>>29303784
He called McCain, Mr. It Aint Me, a loser. Which he is.
He is despised among the American POW survivors.
>>29303919
>>29303893
"hes a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured"
>>29302737
"ban semi-automatic assault weapons which are designed strictly for killing human beings" so he wants to ban literally every fucking gun ever made?
>>29303489
Watching that was the only time I've said "Well, that's okay. Okay Bernie. You're alright right now."
But he's still hugely anti-gun.
>>29303967
Boohoo Trump said some mean words.
Pussies and commie-bitches need not vote or support Trump.
>>29304104
I mean hes fucking retarded but I agree with the company not being responsible if some fag shoots himself in the brain on purpose.
>>29304113
Trump needs all the 'unemployed since the 80s' white trash he can get.
>>29304201
>calling Trump supporters unemployed white trash
>Trump supports the working man and is against the welfare state
>Trump rallies have blacks and hispanics, asians there
if you want unemployed supporters see;
>Bernie
>Clinton
These are supported by the welfare-collectors, minimum wage dropouts, and spoiled college kids.
>>29303810
So, you either don't understand what context means or you didn't watch the video.
>>29302306
>My mom grew up in a ghetto
>was abused day in and day out for 16 years by 3 different step dads
>her biological father didn't abuse her, but was absent
>My dad grew up in a crime-heavy family
>His parents were secretly growing marijuana on their neighbor's property, and when they were caught they tried to put the blame for it on him
>he was 12 years old at the time
>Both worked hard to get ahead in life
>Dad is Electrical Tech guy, mom has business degree
>Never begged once in their life for anything
>fought their entire life to earn their happy home, family, and wealth
>YOU'RE WHITE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE POOOOR
I hope the cancerous dementia-causing tumor growing in Bernie's skull kills him.
>>29304226
video related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjcD4ZBagZA
>>29302854
>Donald is a populist.
>Literally every politician ever.
Inb4 Best Korea
>>29304310
>>Donald is a populist.
>>Literally every politician ever.
>what are libertarians
Isn't it the complete opposite of progress to demonize straight white males simply because of their race/sexual orientation?
So why do I get demonized all the fucking time?
>>29302661
He's not progun, he just sees it all as a non-issue.
It literally took shillery's harassments at a debate to finally make him say anything about the "issues" of guns, and even then he put no heart into it cause he knew he would have to pander to the retards he chose to side with.
He just doesn't care.
>>29304360
Do you? Because I don't!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8e2ujXe8g
>>29304310
I don't think you understand what populist means.
All politicians say popular ideas like "get jobs", "muh security" etc.
What makes someone a populist is that they advocate that politics should follow current social trends, it is often used as a pejorative to mean someone whose policy has no subtance.
Alternatives to populism are elitism, which is what most Democrats are I know a democrat at work who ran for WA state congress one time and his actual political opinion is that specialized people need to decide for others and that it doesn't matter how smart you are only politicians and people who are connected should have opinions other than "fuck republicans", or actually running on the issues, which, of all candidates only Bernie is, and his policy on those issues is fucking retarded as hell.
>>29304113
>He never called POWs losers, he called McCain a loser
>"If you get captured, you're a loser, and POWs are captured, so they're losers"-Trump
>WELL FUCK YOU WE DON'T NEED YOUR SUPPORT HURR HURR
Do pussies and bitches need not support trump cause it's all he has? :^)
>>29304411
>Do pussies and bitches need not support trump cause it's all he has? :^)
Brain hurts trying to make sense of this.
>>29302854
Trump is a racist, sexist, and literally Hitler. Anybody that supports him or any of his God awful racist ideas is Hilter just like him.
>>29304639
Dear Lord;
Let this be a Joke or troll
-Me
>>29302306
When you are not jewish, you don't know what its like to live in a trashcan for 3 years, or keep alive with no water for a year because you put a pebble in your cheek to generate saliva, or survive hours in a furnace and come out unschathed. Jews are magic
>>29304650
AREYAIEARIAE AYOOURE SERRIORIROUSUYSUSSS?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!
>>29302306
but i do live in the gehetto and i am too poor to eat but im not on fucking food stamps or suck commie cock, I fucking hate the word but that shit triggers me
It wasn't viewed as necessary, military was concerned about wasting ammo and manual action firearms and revolvers where more popular with civilians
>>29304003
what is a lyle gun
>>29304280
holy kek
>>29304280
Try harder ar15com spammer
>>29304382
>stop whining
Is this actually what SJW's believe?
>you can't be racist against white people
>only males can be sexist
Tell me one more fucking time how I'm promoting rape culture.
>>29304650
Are you retarded?
He is really obviously racist.
Not as obviously sexist as he is obviously racist, but still, obviously sexist.
>>29304639
>literally Hitler
Godwin's law at work.
>>29302854
>a politician representing the desires and wishes of the nation
Wow, that's fucking awful.
>>29304639
>Using Hitler as an insult
Got to /pol/
SAGED
>>29305069
>Is this actually what SJW's believe?
Yes, they legitimately believe that no white person anywhere has ever been discriminated against and that no other race has ever done anything wrong in their entire history.
I've had SJW's actually tell me that the Rwandan Genocide was directly caused by white people
>>29302411
Stop lying, Berniefag
>>29305142
>that'sthejoke.jpg
>>29302863
READ NIGGERS
>>29305274
>he thinks it's a joke
>he thinks people are joking when they call anything they don't not like or understand hitler
I don't where you're coming from, but people actually see trump as hitler.
They don't see any irony in it at all.
>>29305616
No, it was definitely a joke, and you're definitely a moron.
I was considering voting for Bernie until he came out as a cuck to BLM and immigrants, while ironically none of them voted for him.
You can't be for americans and support importing foreigners, further creating surplus in labor driving down wages.
>>29305691
And I'm telling you.
I am surrounded by these people, who honestly see him as hitler.
>>29305718
Check the URL in your browser, then understand it was a joke.
>>29302940
>Not even once
Wanna know how I know you're from reddit?
>>29305718
People are too quick to make exaggerations about people. Don't take it as a liberal thing because we have been hearing it from the right as well. Its... just a modern thing, I guess.
And believe me, I cringe when people call Trump a fascist or a Nazi or racist, not because I have any love for trump (I don't) but because such words shouldn't be tossed around easily like that and are abused by people. That said, he might very well be a racist or a fascist but I just don't have the hard evidence yet to make such a claim, let alone use it as an argument.
However, Trumps supporters do run the gambit from normal people to some terrible terrible people, there is no denying that.
>>29302834
>>29302933
>>29302953
>>29302970
>>29303429
Trump was a fucking statist fuck who donated to Hillary, said she'd make a GREAT president since way the fuck back when, and every time guns came up he's either said we need to ban "assault weapons" or some other gun-grabbing bullshit.
At best he's a fucking moderate who will sell us all out anyway, at worst he's a trojan horse or a blatant plant to throw the election for Hillary. Trump is not your friend you believe in liberty, he is not your friend if you value your rights, he is not your friend if you think the government needs to be downsized severely.
Bootlickers come in many forms, but at the end of the day they're still eager to get some government dick up their asses and bleat out in protest when the rest of us refuse to live on our knees.
>>29303893
>>29303919
>>29304113
>some kid who never served
>talking shit despite knowing not of which he speaks
>expects his opinions to matter
Where the fuck was Donald during all of that? Oh yeah, dodging the draft like a coward all thanks to daddy's influence. Sure, put a coward with a big mouth in the White House; surely nothing about that plan is completely fucking retarded.
Ever notice bernie shills will say whatever they think /k/ wants to hear to gain support?
>>29306014
Hey berniefag, Trump not getting his draft number called does not male him a draft dodger, unlike Bernie Sanders who claimed to be an objector.
>>29302411
>>29306150
>hey berniefag
I don't vote for gun-grabbing socialists you little fuck. Get your shit straight.
>not getting his number called
Riiiight, so all those deferments didn't count? I bet you didn't even know about those, but it doesn't matter: Trump "feels" like he was in the military because he went to a military academy. So not only is he a draft-dodging coward but he's one of those weirdos who never served but for some reason act like they're just like every other soldier, marine, sailor, and airman who has. He's no better than some fat mall ninja with some mishmash milsurp gear, but at least that goofy fucker has his heart in the right place even if he is a pathetic faggot.
Read my post again: >>29306014 Commit the first part to memory and understand that Hillary has a Trump card she'll play if they both get the nomination.
>>29302661
lol no
>>29302411
Get fucked,he wasn't quoting shit
>>29305951
True, the exaggerations are also made worse by the fact everybody has a megaphone to blast theirs with considering the state of the media these days. Personally I don't think we're really going to see much positive political change or honest candidates as long as we have the party division. It's too easy to manipulate it or just get sucked into the whole tribal mentality bullshit.
Not saying a direct democracy or some shit would be any better given how uneducated most voters are, but still...
But hey, that's why /k/'s always ready to say fuckit and go innawoods, right?
>>29306492
Keep reaching for the skies.
> Trump is a gun grabber! Look at this quote from 16 years ago!
> he got a deferment! That makes him a dodger! Throw your vote away on a third party instead, goy I mean fellow human!
>>29302306
Bernie Sanders is literally just the Anita Sarkeesian of politics.
>>29304280
Jesus Christ this women at 2:20
>>29306738
> Trump is a gun grabber! Look at this quote from 16 years ago!
Except he was supporting more gun control back in December.
Trump is a bigger flip-flopper than Mitt Romney. His supporters don't care.
>>29305092
did you learn the word obviously in 8th grade vocab today?
>>29306913
Link? Please do tell, shill.
>>29302742
>he's just doing it to appeal to people
>there's no way he'll try to appeal to people in a higher office!
>>29302742
>Yes, he voted for the AWB and has been pandering to the soccer mom crowd but he's not a gun grabber.
>Trump is a gungrabber, despite saying he wants pro-gun supreme court nominees and constitutional CC.
>>29306947
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/11/robert-farago/donald-trump-nist-watch-list/
>>29302751
Wrong
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights
>>29306926
That's because America is terrible!
He's going to make America great!
He's going to be the strongman we need!
He'll do a deal (ie. compromise) with China!
>>29304104
>But he's still hugely anti-gun.
He's not a cock about it though. Even if he doesn't much like guns, he seems to respect people's rights to buy one. Or at least feels people should be held accountable for their own actions regardless of what they use to kill somebody. Speaking as a filthy liberal myself, it sounds like the sanest possible position to take as far as that debate is concerned.
>>29306990
You->Except he was supporting more gun control back in December.
Article->No Guns for Americans on the Terrorist Watch List
You fucking shill. No one here is supporting Bernie, faggot. Get over it.
>>29307075
>please vote him him guys
>If you do, he might flip flop on guns
>please just vote for him, I already donated my student loans to him and really want free college.
>>29302411
get fucked commie
>>29302661
get fucked commie
>>29307096
>supporting a Jew York RINO who wants the government to be able to take away people's 2A rights without due process
Why hello, Senator Feinstein.
>>29307122
Nice goalpost. Try better next time when lying on the internet.
>>29302306
Quad stack. Get on my level bitches.
>>29302919
>>29302940
go to pol you fucking shill
>>29307141
I'm not that guy, but that's Obama tier gun control.
>if they're on this list, they're a terrorist
>who decides who's on the list?
>that's a secret
>>29307075
get fucked commie
>>29307096
...so wanting to denying people their right to own a gun without due process because they're on a secret list isn't anti gun?
>You fucking shill. No one here is supporting Bernie, faggot. Get over it.
Just because I oppose Trump doesn't mean I support Bernie. The world is much more complex than that.
>>29307189
>Except he was supporting more gun control back in December
What you posted.
>No Guns for Americans on the Terrorist Watch List
What was on the article.
If Mohamed and Ahmed can't bulk buy 10 WASR 10s and as much ammo as the LGS has in stock because they visit the ISIS twitter page everyday I could care less.
>>29307208
its not, we are absolutely fucked if the republicans dont win, as the next president will name 2-3 justices.
>>29307189
Whoops, I thought you were this faggot: >>29307208
>>29306738
>>29306947
>>29307096
>>29307141
>Nice goalpost. Try better next time when lying on the internet.
I'm the anon you were originally replying to, not the based anon who provided the link. If you don't see a problem with the government being able to arbitrarily declare you part of the invalid, no-rights class then you're a fucking fool. You're worse than a fool, you're actually enabling the government to completely invalidate the Bill of Rights by just going "it doesn't count for these people because we say so!"
You're a fucking whore for the statist gun-grabbers and you think we're the shills? Yeah, bitch and moan and cry and call us Bernie supporters some more you little faggot, it doesn't make you any less of a judas goat trying to get the rest of us to follow you to the slaughter.
>>29307231
>pretending it will only be about the Mohameds and Ahmeds of the world
>believing that the government won't randomly declare gun owners "right-wing racists" on a whim
>trusting the government run by inept, corrupt shitheads
>being this much of a fucking retard
>>29307346
>Ignoring the fact the "right wing" is Trump's base support
>being this much of a cuckservitive retard that listens to everything their GOPe masters tell them
>>29302306
>Bernie faggots still support him
>>29307392
>somehow believing that Trump's "base support" even fucking matters
>believing that whoever supports the president is the people the government won't hang out to dry
>implying I'm "listening to my GOP masters"
>"cuckservitive" but somehow thinking conservatism isn't right-wing?
>being this much of a oblivious moron
>being this fucking stupid
Out-fucking-standing, I really hope you're a fucking European shitposting right now.
>>29307465
>Okay goyim, I don't support Trump, Bernie, GOPe OR a third party, I'm, just like telling you trump is like so bad, I don't even, he'll send the Muslims to camps, then you! I promise!
Oh man, watching you self destruct like a good little shill bot is hilarious.
What a depressing election cycle.
I like one of the candidates that's still in, but man. I wish I had the choice of two candidates I liked come the general election.
>>29307514
>Jew memes
>SJW memes
>implying I'm don't support anyone
>not realizing I've deliberately refrained from waving the "vote third party!" flag around because it's off-topic
>still using "shill" unironically
You claim I'm the one who's self-destructing? "Projecting" for $400, Alex! You've gone from coherent sentences and screaming that you're surrounded by Bernie supporters to basic bullshit. You're slowly losing your grip on this conversation because, and this is just a theory, you've actually looked up my claims and you've realized your pet candidate is actually a cocksucker for the powers that be. Now you don't know what to do, you've deliberately thrown up the "you haven't provided an alternative!" card but not in so many words which tells me you still don't fucking get it. You're upset with me right now because I'm representing something extremely uncomfortable to you: I represent free-thought and self-determination. These are values this country was founded on and they're values I know you have in you, but you're afraid to embrace them.
That fear is what enables authoritarians like Hillary fucking Clinton and her pet Donald to take power, people like you afraid to grab that fire inside themselves and stoke it, make it roar into an inferno of liberty pick them to keep you warm at night. You're using the same logic the regressive left uses: the neo-liberal is a creature dead inside and hates to see free men and women walking around that are willing to take charge of their own lives.
Don't be like them. I'm not going to tell you who to vote for or why, that's not my goddamn job to figure out. I am going to tell you to haul yourself up off your knees and on to your feet and stand up like a free-thinking citizen, not a cowering slave begging for Big Brother to come.
>>29307231
There's probably several times more white male right-wingers on watch lists than Muslims. The American government has said multiple times that they consider that their biggest threat comes from the militia movement, constitutionalists, green movements, anarchists, anti-abortionists, and various other groups primarily made up of white people.
Not to mention all the non-violent people on those lists, like hackers/security experts. There's a reason a lot of them drive across country to conventions, they're banned from flying.
>>29307606
>pet Donald
>Still spouting this meme
Yes, yes. The fall of the GOPe was a plan from Hillary Clinton to have Trump crash the Republican nominations, knock out all the establishment picks, have Republicans turn out in record numbers to support him, gain a higher turnout than the Dems, have the young left drain their accounts and feel alienated from the Democrats that refuses to allow their pick gain a chance at representing them and lose interest in the party at best, or worse, flock the the Republicans, gain high commanding polls for a consistent basis for over a year, only to lose to the worse and most unpopular Democrat picked nominee ever. And they say the alt right have some crazy conspiracies.
>>29307675
Most "white male right-wingers" are Trump supports and wind up on those lists due to their disdain for the current regime.
>>29307722
He only needs their support to get elected, he doesn't need it afterwards.
>>29307707
>knock out all the establishment picks,
Don't forget those are the same picks that would have flopped to Shillary and would have been her preferred pick.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-clinton-calls-donald-trump-a-racist-and-trump-fires-back-in-an-epic-way/
>>29307707
>And they say the alt right have some crazy conspiracies.
Alright, here's my evidence:
Donald was...
>A democrat, then an independent, then a democrat again
>Supported Hillary's campaign, supported Hillary for president before she even announced she was going to run
>Has been all for gun-grabbing policies, has said we need a stronger AWB
>Suddenly decided he was a Republican after Hillary started getting negative press
>Suddenly has all these policies completely contrary to everything he's said since the 1970's
>Can't actually come up with a cohesive plan for anything when pressed, if he isn't prepped beforehand he has no idea what the fuck to say
I mean yeah it is some true tinfoil hat shit but are you seriously expecting me to believe a guy has changed his entire belief system the exact moment he's decided to run for president? Let's run with that for a moment, let's say he has:
So he's not some plant anymore, he's still not a good choice for president because he's not mentally capable of coping with doing everything he claims he can do, i.e. stick to his guns, be a strong leader, and so on. He's either suffering from some severe mental condition to change so much so fast or he's like most people and just believing what he's been told and he has a cadre of "handlers" who are the real power. So if I were going to vote for Trump, ignoring all the other terrible shit for a moment, I'm going to have to stomach gambling on a guy who may be a mental wreck or a guy who will believe anything he's told.
He is a terrible candidate any way you look at it. >>29307722 >>29307675 are spot on, the government is already not our friend and you want to put somebody in office who's willingly going to give them more blanket power? You're a fucking fool if you think you're safe, your kind is already in the establishment's crosshairs and they're using your fears to get you to tie the rope around your own neck.
