Hi, /k/. Writefag here. I have some background in sailing and I like reading about naval history, so I want to write about a post-apocalyptic naval battle.
I'm trying to work out how I might want to make a certain tactical paradigm happen. I really find the battlecruiser action at Jutland interesting and would like to emulate some of those dreadnought-era tactics. However, I also want room for ramming, boarding, and general swashbuckling.
One thing I was thinking was having the ships in the vein of 16th century war galleys, but with crude steam engines replacing rowers. So, there could be a gunnery duel.
I kinda wanted to have guys with poorly maintained speedboats and AKs whose bores have been so shot out that that they might as well be smoothbore going up against well maintained wooden boats where the people are using small-arms out of the 1800s.
Any help?
Read up on WWII PT boats. They were pretty much the epitome of that speedboat idea, only well-equipped and supplied. Regarding the steamships, perhaps a good idea would be to have hulks of older vessels that have been refurbished, like the tanker in Waterworld. (Which I would recommend watching if you want to get some ideas regarding the aesthetics and engineering of post-apocalyptic ships.)
>>28274585
I was imagining two lines of warships, one of rusty pre war ships with men firing battered RPGs at their opposites and the other of retro ironclads passing each other in the dying light, with the only illumination being the fires raging on the decks of wounded ships. Every so often, a ship slows to a crawl and drifts out of formation, belching fire from its hatches as it is consumed.
>>28274901
I was skeptical at first, but I'm starting to dig this idea.
>>28274530
>post apocalyptic naval tactics
Yeah good luck on the enormous fuel requirements faggot. you think its expensive now? You'll try to buy it, fail, try to steal it, and be laughed at and destroyed.
Merry christmas:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lissa_(1866)
>>28274530
Waterworld anon.
Early steam ships still had sails, i could see ships going back to that, running under sail in order to conserve fuel, but firing up their boilers to maneuver during engagements or when becalmed.
as for swashbuckling, i imagine that each ship would be trying to out maneuver the other/ avoid being fired upon until the enemy is disabled or grappled onto/snagged, then coming along side and commencing boarding actions.
as for weapons, i imagine dumb fire torpedoes possibly, very limited large cannons, a good amount of small arms and probably quite a bit of grappling launchers to try and latch onto the enemy ship
>>28274901
>instead of cannons the guys use RPGs
This is kind of neat
>>28274901
fucking beautiful anon.
>>28276010
>being able to kill modern warships with RPGs
And anons give me shit in navy threads about saying we need to armor our ships more. Before the all or nothing armor scheme, EVERYTHING was armored relatively homogenously.
Nowadays we have nuclear reactors... we have no excuse to not deck out our ships with armor.
>>28276010
two ships exchanging broadsides of RPG fire, RPGs lined up like regimental soldiers along the deck.
"Clear back blast!"
"First Rank, FIRE!"
"Second Rank, FIRE!"
>>28276010
The idea is that one faction has access to modern weapons and ships, but lacking generally in the ability to maintain them, while the other has turned to retro tech to fight their wars
>ramming
Pic relate
Please write in a pneumatic nose sword or a chainsaw face or a chomping jaw.
Now that I think of it. Save the jaw for a sub, it can bite into ships and death roll like a croc to sink ships.
>>28276106
HYDROFOIL RAMMING VESSEL
FUND IT
>>28276083
Well, one is supposed to have old school cannons and the other relatively modern weapons
>>28274530
You should read "Crossed:Wish you Were Here" it's about a group of survivors living on an Island of the coast of Scotland and trying to fight off semi-intelligent rage virus zombies. Eventually they encounter a group of American Survivors who live on a series of boats all hooked up to a cruise ship. It has great Land/Sea battles and a couple of interesting boarding scenes, as well where the ship gets it's fuel is a major plot point.
>>28276083
The famed fire magic of BAKBLAST CLIR
Truly, they have demons on their side
a post apocalypse ironclad ship with scavenged modern weapons VS a pre apocalypse cruise ship crewed by neo-savage cannibals armed with primitive weapons they have scavenged/cobbled together from their ship
>>28276106
Fuck it
Chain saw dorsal fin sub.
Also anchors at the end of ballistas, chain yourself to a ship and yank it over like a ninja.
I know this is a navel thread, but an aircraft carrier covered in biplanes of *gasp* autogiros could be pretty bad ass.
Go in an /AK/ direction with some weaponized parasails
>Gargantia.jpg
Gonna just leave this here.
Aerial frogman mercenaries operating from narcosubs.
Thinkaboutit
How did the apocalypse happen?
I'm totally seeing one faction that kept to itself and now still has most of its resources and naval capability left, and it's the superpower in this future world.
>>28276240
Was going to say auto gyros that can be towed with engines off to save fuel for combat.
>>28276267
Souds baller. I was thinking of junk rigs due to their damage resistance.
>>28276286
Jamaica
"Eh mon! ya be forkin ova all of ya shit right now, befo we blow ya asses outta da watta mon!"
>>28276299
Does Jamaica even have naval power to begin with?
Did they hijack all of the US missile destroyers?
>>28276289
electric motor auto gyros, tow cable is a power cable, when not in use, tow them behind for power generation and charging, then bring them down for use until they need recharged again.
but because they have no auto pilot, when in tow, someone has to be piloting it, so you wind up with a bunch of folks on lookout as well
Op you should look into third world diving techniques.
On survivor man people were going deep under water with nothing but a rubber hose in their mouth, some of them die when the pump shits out.
Imagine a dive team of ghetto scuba ninjas draping under a ship like a fucking manowar.
>>28276340
Sounds nuts. Not sure how wacky I want to make this world.
If this is a post apocalyptic universe without gasoline you can rig up engines that run of wood or charcoal fumes.
For years I've imagined biker gangs with big fat steam punk burning bins hanging off the back,
You could do the same thing to sea-doos.
>>28274530
Smooth bore ranks of calliope or organ guns.
Blackpowder sea mines
Steam powered ram and boarding ships using a Roman Corvus.
Black powder mortars and congreve rockets.
Rocket grapnels deploying zip line cables.
Narco sub commando boats to slip troops into harbors at night.
>>28276317
You brilliant sumbicth!
Motherfucking turtle ships
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>>28274530
You guys should check out the Tanker war.
>Iranian speedboats unleashing rpgs and mrls broadsides at point blank range.
>dakka incarnate.
>>28276168
>Crossed
Its just good western rape/gore porn.
Which is a nice niche, but they have an annoying tendency to go offscreen when a lot of the main women characters get raped or pumped full of crossed cum in all their holes during the downer endings despite showing them getting their clothes ripped off or having them come back later as naked Crossed sluts.
I guess even the edgy writers can't risk offending their SJW 'values'.
>>28276589
I guess, I just feel like it's less of an attempt to not offend and more of a desire to not draw straight up porn. The lens of the artist indicates what they enjoy, what they find enthralling. Thus, they probably don't want to focus on that sort of thing either for fear of appearing to be sociopaths or for simple virtue of just not being sociopaths.
>>28276317
picture it if the front seat had a bolt action rifle and a couple simple bombs
>>28277352
>Thus, they probably don't want to focus on that sort of thing either for fear of appearing to be sociopaths or for simple virtue of just not being sociopaths.
This so much.
I think they pretty much skirt what is legal for them to draw since I believe Ennis owns the series and he's a north irish limey. Hell how many times have they referrenced child rape (both as victim and suspect). That shit is pretty bad, no questions about it.
I would just like to see one of those previous female protagonist getting mouth fucked from the viewpoint of the crossed, crying tears in pain and defilement with her mouth ravaged until said Crossed dude busts a nut and she begins to show the face rash and turn into a hungry nymph all while still sucking that dick and covered in cross sperm.
But then she'd probably take a bite and ruin the boner after. Sigh, feels bad not really having a guro fetish.
Anyways you keep up with the new arcs where humanity goes full Remove Horsecock and kills all the stupid crossed until the smart ones begin to retaliate.
>>28275913
Oooooooooh, imagine a bunch of psycho nut jobs on a rusted out battleship using make shift mortars to take out enemy crew members. Slingshot molotovs.
>>28276281
Thinking about it and it has helped maintain my erections for this post. Thanks anon!
>>28276281
Imagine one of these frog men getting killed while controlling their pack. Accidentally slamming the throttle and flying upwards and whipping around the sea during a huge fight spraying his frogman squad with firehouse level spray and blood
>>28277900
WITNESS! RIDE TO POSEIDON, SHINY AND CHROME
>>28274530
I was writing something similar, but featuring a far future in which replicators exist. Thus, before the world blew itself to hell, as part of the the war against China, Japan built us an aircraft carrier. Seeing as this is 200 years from now, we didn't really need it, so it was left to moulder. It was huge, large enough to fucking effect the weather. It was basically two huge air craft carriers put together, after the war the space between the hulls was filled with an ever changing series of cat walks and shacks and the decks were covered in farms, business's and wealthy homes.
A society and caste system emerged, with various families and social groups taking over certain tasks. It ends up like a small floating city of sorts, complete with a military cult made up of the descendants of the army brats that ran to the ship when the bombs fell.
They claim there is some great secret passed down from generation to generation about the ship and its purpose, but most people think they just want to convince people of their importance so they can continue getting the best food and the best accommodations.
The ship uses the remnants of its automatic navigation system to make voyages across the pacific. Other than that, it sticks close to shore so that the away teams always have somewhere close by to scavenge for parts, as directed by the Aquisitions Department (glorified researchers that dig through physical records and plans as well as data fragments in hopes of locating certain specialized items for the ships community).
>>28277951
For a second I thought you meant the Chinese were the replicators, which made me chuckle.
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>>28277982
if these were common enough to be known about, as well as boarding tactics in general, it might lead to the use of scrap metal anti-boarding spikes along the hull ala Mad Max
>>28276299
not Madagascar...
>>28277982
Nah, the chinese continue to use massive slave labor in the third world war, which is the big one that forced us to take military restrictions off of Japan and Germany. Russia becomes bros with the west as well, however at the cost of their influence over the baltics and soviet bloc. Basically, Russia is not that significant globally anymore.
But yeah, we lift military restrictions on Japan and they essentially go "YUO WAN SHIP? WE MAKE YUO BIIIIIG SHIP FO BIG AMELICAN PRANES!" And they make this chimera monstrosity that serves no purpose in a future with power armor, androids and vtol aircraft, so we just kind of gently tell them to chill while the rest of us just gape chinas ass.
Due to nuclear non proliferation and the slow destruction of state power over the centuries, no one uses nukes, we just lose a ton of resources, degrading the U.S. even further.
The Japanese consider the Nanking Express to be a great achievment of the wars boom in engineering innovation. the rest of the world just thinks it's a cool looking, bloody big ship.
>>28277859
>humanity goes full Remove Horsecock
Which one is this? Is it on the webcomic?
the capability to produce semi automatic firearms, even bolt or pump action firearms would be severely limited, and if it goes overboard it would be gone forever.
maybe for the rank and file minions you would see alot of break action single shot firearms. single and double barrels of all types, the higher ups and leaders having the old or newly engineered and valuable revolvers, and semi autos, sharpshooters earning bolt actions.
that way you still have a little swashbuckler ascetic, have a few pistols in their belts and a boarding hatchet with a spiked poll to hook onto stuff.
>>28278014
so, basically, a setting that is a stylized, futuristic battle of Artemisium with people jumping from cobble barge to cobbled barge.
>>28278204
I was thinking of rolling block rifles as standard
>>28278053
Its the +100 arc with Alan Moore writing.
There's actually a lot less rape in it the most arcs...relatively speaking.
Which made my penis very sad.
>>28278244
that would work too, whichever would be easiest to manufacture
>>28278319
i would think single shot break actions would be easiest to make.
>>28277774
I don't think a bolt action would work as well considering you'll be moving pretty fast. A single shot from a rifle wouldn't do much. Give the pilot and automatic weapon if its possible or make some sort of explosive harpoon launcher.
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Mad Max on the High Seas, i cant control myself
Have a sand filled hole where every crewman need to piss (keelhauling if they don't) for gunpowder.
>>28276503
>The Brainchild of Admiral Yi
>Busted to Private Twice
>Works his way back up
>On trial for capital crimes twice
>Acquitted twice
>Never once does his loyalty waver
>Destroys the Japanese invasion fleet
>Dies in the final, climactic battle while beating the drum on the lead ship.
>Uses his final words to impel his son to put on his armor and beat the drum because his allies and subordinates must not know that he's dead until the battle ends.
Sublime...
>>28279562
One of the most epic person that has ever lived. Everything about his life, including his last words, is fucking epic.
>>28274530
All joking aside, it would be a lot like today. Anyone who can into boating would either make steamships or diesel engine powered ones and arm it with artillery or missiles.
>>28274530
In terms of the ships, read "Six Galleons for the King of Spain." This will tell you a lot about some of the older outfitting of military ships (1600s I think). If you want it to be believable you need to study the world around the weapons too.
>>28278258
Moore only wrote the first a=arc, now it's being written by the guy who wrote WYWH, and it's gone full fledged World War Crossed
Fiddling around with my apocalypse scenario to see what you think. Essentially, the global financial system collapses and everyone hits each others critical infrastructure (power grid, for example) with cyber attacks. In paranoia, sea borders are shut down and global trade quickly grinds to a halt.
The story takes place about a century into this dark age where the US has splintered dozens of separate nations, which are typically some form of junta or neofeudal governance.
I was kinda thinking of writing about a kingdom on the Gulf Coast getting into a fight in the Gulf of Mexico with a Mexican pirate kingdom.
Also, might come up with a way to wargame this
>>28279923
I like the idea of a feudal society like ancient japan but with operators in power armor. A suit that costs as much as a manor which makes rich fags nearly invincible against peasants (like ye olde times). Neckbeard squires backing them up, flying their colors and spreading the word of their lords might.
Full circle. SSDD
>>28281474
with the scarcity of guns and ammo, jet skis become treated much like horses in medieval times, long spears, swords and such included
jet ski jousting?
>>28281474
I was thinking something like the 2140s with the collapse having occurred in the 2020s, but that might mean that too much tech is gone for that apocalyptic vision of a naval battle I had to make sense
>>28279923
Imagine an ambush against pirates:
Vast swarms of PT boats with RPGs, machine guns, recoiless rifles and grapplung hooks pursuing a seemingly unarmed unescorted supertanker
Then the tanker does the unimaginable, instead of fleeing the ship turns broadside.
Imagine 3 rows of hatches opening like an ancient man-o-war getting ready to fire a broadside.
But instead of muzzle loaded cannon protruding from each hatch is a GAU 30mm minigun.
The captain gives the order "bosun, you may fire when ready"
Bosun: "MAIN GUNS READY!"
The crews response echoes throughout the ship: "AYE SIR!"
"SEND THE DIRTY SPICKS TO DAVEY JONES LOCKER BOYS, FIRE!!!!"
a bone powdering reverberating throbbing hum that can be heard for miles cuts loose as dozens of 30mm miniguns connected to a literal cargo container ship full of ammo unleash hell.
Almost solid waves of fire pour forth utterly devastating the enemy pirate fleet.
Men dissolve into explosions of red mist, entire missile frigates seemingly disentigrate under the onslaught, the sea appears to be boiling and frothing red as millions of rounds impact it.
Within 60 seconds the fire ceases and the boiling waters calm. There is no evidence that a mexican pirate flotilla ever existed, except for the kilometers wide slick of blood slowly dissapating.
Coincidentally the fishing harvest in the gulf that season was particularly profitable. Experts suspect some influx of nutients into the ecosystem bolstered fish populations that year.......
>>28281737
It sounds cinematic, but suspension of disbelief is hard for me to maintain.
How does a society with the technical ability and resources to maintain a jet ski not have better weapons than swords and lances?
>>28282011
Ran out of ammo maybe?
>>28281926
My body is ready
>>28281926
Fucking glorious
The gun crews may be deaf by the end of it but it's glorious
>>28279650
He makes me proud to be a Korean
Badass motherfucker
>>28282132
Watching that recent movie about him was an inspiration for this
Based as fuck. I cannot imagine the massive brass balls it took to fight like that
>>28281926
How would a tanker be maneuverable enough to turn broadside while being charged by speedboats?
Did any of you guys play Blood Wake, back on the Xbox?
This made me remember that.
>>28282174
Doesnt have to be a current era tanker. Maybe its got nacelle type prop mounts or something.
But WHO THE FUCK CARES its got like 20 30mm miniguns on each side!
>>28282148
Which movie?
>>28282218
I played it for all of 5 minutes as a kid before I realized it was boring as fuck.
>>28282128
Adds to the grimdark aspect of it.
Gunloaders are all perpetually concussed and deaf, the venterans are the ones wealthy enough to have bought cochlear implants, the newbies are commanded what to do via a crude sign language of hand waving and clouts upside the head.
>>28282570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PBIHkKi0wM
I'm getting a Waterworld vibe from this thread.
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>>28282148
I just watched that movie a few weeks ago. 10/10 would recommend.
I don't think Korea enjoyed watching Japan get shreked that hard again until we created Atomic Bombs.
>>28274530
Haven't read the thread, but I am working on a personal submarine. I have considered making it useful for a HABBENING, but don't know exactly what I should be doing in that department.
Originally this was just a fun project in my pool, but making it actually seaworthy wasn't much more difficult. No I don't have a working one at the moment, mostly redesigning smaller versions. I can post drawings when I get home from visiting my folks (after new years).
OC bump
>>28283302
Annnnnnd forgot the rest of my comment...
>Azipods/Z-Drive
>0 degree turn radius
>Tow barge filled with dakka
>Defend offshore oil rigs and land based refineries
>Use fast boats for scouting, interference, and fast attack
Rule the seas
Don't die. This is pretty cool
>tfw sailing up the coast. The wind in my hair, the sun on my back.
>gunners in front are busy cooking mutated seagull eggs on the beam gun capacitor.
>It's only a matter of time till it fails again.
>Walk across the hull, careful to avoid the electrified sections and the barbed wire.
>Tell them to try and keep the egg from getting into the circuits, the poor capacitor has seen enough wear already.
>Wish we didn't have to keep it charged, but in these waters one can't take any chances.
>Lookout hollers, he's spotted the kite from the away team in the sky.
>It's the yellow one with spongebob on it, and a red flag is attached.
>That means they need help.
>Tell the gunners to eat up quickly, no use in trying to have them postpone their meal, they don't listen.
>Return to bridge. sit down in my chair, engine sputters to life.
>The crew reports in. starboard machine gun sponson is ready, but its mate on the other side still has no ammo, they're toting spears and bows instead..
>Beam gun sviwels around, the old capacitor crackles, gunners frantically try and keep the rusting coils from melting.
>See away team on a pier, they're waving.
>There are arrows stuck in the pier all around.
>See deaf benny fiddling with the green all clear kite.
>Sigh in relief.
>Hope they found some food and spare parts.
>Have the gunners discharge the beamgun at the building the arrows came from.
>They put bits of egg in the barrel as an offering before firing.
>Gun doesn't explode.
>Building does.
>Bits of tribals everywhere.
>Told them not to offer food to the lightning god.
>Gunners protest.
>Have them gather up the arrows as away teams haul their shopping carts of loot aboard.
>Sail off to new adventures as navigator prays to the lord GeePeeSss of safe sailing.
>>28285651
>spray flies into the face of a young marine
>he can see the ghostly shapes of the enemy war galleys in the foggy distance ahead of the lead ship of the column
>the drums pound a beat for the rowers
>he clutches at a weapon passed down from father to son for generations, the AyyKayy. It's blued surface has been etched with designs commemorating the deeds of its owners
>The enemy column in their black, fifty-oared ships emerges from the fog bank, trying to pivot its wings to attack the flanks of the column
>the lead ship daringly surges into gap in the enemy line, splintering oars and breaking backs
>the young marine stands up and prepares to board
>before he jumps across the deck onto the enemy ship, he offers a brief prayer to the Forger of Weapons, Kalash Ni Kob
>"Ominus dominus, keeptapco offofus"
