First rifle
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Hey guys. So I'm looking to get a real first rifle.
Now I say real because I already own a .22
I was thinking of getting a .45-70 lever action. I'll be honest it looks fun as fuck and its a cowboy gun.
Thoughts? Good/Bad idea? Where can I find a nicer one?
>>28036490
The good
>Caliber capable of stopping pretty much anything in North America
Bad:
Caliber is expensive as fuck, have fun reloading.
Not much aftermarket support
Recoils like a bitch.
For your first "real" rifle, honestly I'd recommend an AR. You can build one for dirt cheap, it has recoil and sounds like a "real" gun, and you can spend weeks modifying it exactly to your pleasure.
>>28036490
Go for it OP but inspect before you buy. Idk what marlin's quality is like these days but at one point they had gotten shitty.
From what I've heard it's better now.
Then the other immediate option that comes to mind is Henry. Henry has good quality but some people don't like the method of reloading the rifle.
I've seen guys experienced with both take pretty much equal amounts of time reloading using both marlins and henrys.
AND if you do choose to use it to hunt a dangerous predator and you run out of rounds and need to reload quick you can always just pop one in the chamber of the henry. Not a big deal.
.45-70 is a fine rifle, but a nicer one will probably cost you, and ammo isn't the easiest to find or the cheapest. But it's a fine rifle and if that's what you want, you'll enjoy it. If you want a fun cowboy gun though, why not look at a .357, you can get plenty of .357 levers of the same style and it's not so costly to shoot it
>>28036490
Not a bad gun type if you're dead set on the aesthetic. I would suggest a different caliber. Maybe a .357/.38spl as the ammo is more common and less costly than .45-70. Also you can fire a gun in .357 more traditionally. Since the .45-70 is a volley cartridge it typically requires a good deal more practice (just my experience).
You can find lever guns at most box stores. Dicks, Cabelas, Field n Stream, etc. They have a tendency to show up in pawn shops almost as frequently as break action shotguns so you may try there as well. Lever action rifles are a bit of a gimmick now since they are less automated than semi-auto and more prone to failure than pump or bolt action
>>28036670
>>28036650
>>28036615
>>28036526
Hmm very interesting.
Thanks for all the responses guys, I appreciate it.
I'll look into a .357, just curious though: How is it compared to .45-70? Power wise.
I'll also look into an AR platform. That'd be nice. Is it better to buy a full AR or build? iirc there was an AR building guide somewhere around here. Does anyone have it by any chance?
>>28036490
Thats a fucking mans choice, but I would suggest going with the Marlin 1894 in 357 Mag. The ammo is much cheaper then 45-70.
>>28036735
You cant compare .357 to 45-70. Its like apples to oranges. Both are great fucking rounds but .357 Mag is a better choice for the wallet
>>28036650
>>28036670
>>28036753
>>28036765
OP
>I want my first real rifle
Anons
>GET A PISTOL CALIBER XDDD
OP, .45-70 is literally the dumbest fucking caliber choice you could make for a first rifle. That's the caliber you get for your tenth rifle. Get a boltgun in .308 and stop dreaming about killing genetically modified dinosaur bioweapons.
>>28036735
Personally I would go with .44 magnum over .357 magnum. The difference in power between the three cartridges can be substantial but unless this is going to be a hunting rifle it shouldn't matter.
As far as ARs go you could either buy a complete rifle or alternatively buy a complete upper and a complete lower. Comes out a little bit cheaper that way sometimes.
>>28036795
>GET A 308 XDDD
OP, OP, .308 is literally the dumbest fucking caliber choice you could make for a first rifle. That's the caliber you get for your fourth rifle. Get a break action in 700 Nitro Mag and stop dreaming about killing rabid Vietnamese Communists
>>28036795
This guy got it right. .45-70 isn't really the best firstgun caliber, DESU. Something more universal is a better choice, so I second the .308 suggestion.
Either that or get a Mosin.
>>28036853
>DESU
When the fuck did this come back? This some 2008 shit right here
>>28036863
idk and it keeps fucking happening to me. Starting to piss me the fuck off, senpai.
>>28036881
>senpai.
YOU SEE? IT DID IT AGAIN!
GOD DAMN IT.
>>28036823
>GET A .700 NITRO MAG XDDD
OP, .700 Nitro Mag is literally the dumbest fucking caliber choice you could make for a first rifle. That's the caliber you get for your fifth rifle. Get a Mosin Nagant in 7.62x54R and stop dreaming about Elephant hunting.
>>28036823
OP, 700 Nitro Mag is literally the dumbest fucking caliber choice you could make for a first rifle. That's the caliber you get for your second rifle. Get a .950 JDJ and stop dreaming about killing big game animals.
>>28036915
OP, .950 JDJ is literally the dumbest fucking caliber choice you could make for a first rifle. That's the caliber you get for your second rifle. Get a 40MM Bofors and stop dreaming about paying 350 dollars a shot
>>28036892
baka senpai. ya'll being keked
>>28036753
>>28036765
>>28036795
>>28036819
>>28036823
>>28036853
Sounds like .45-70 is a money round, and .357/.44/.308 is cheaper.
Perhaps a .308 AR? I really do want a big round. Something that will stop a motherfucker in his tracks but I can also hunt larger game with.
What do you think about a battle rifle? Sorry I sound like a complete shitstick, I'm pretty new to guns.
>>28036853
>>28036863
>>28036881
>>28036892
C.uck Fa.m and tb.h are all filtered thanks to Hiroshimoot
>>28036943
>ya'll being keked
>>28036490
Am i autismo for wanting a 30 oughtsix for my first? I want a mid service issue M1, looking online for good deals and hard pressed to find any with original components. Would I be better off getting one of those springfield 7.62 chambered M1 knock off dealies or wat
>>28036948
If you are going to be a cheap ass get a PTR 91, but if you are willing to pay get a M14 from the 90s or a DSA FAL
>>28036892
chinese moot gave us the most glorious of gifts.
freedom from memespeak
>>28036956
kek baka desu senpai.
>>28036971
I would suggest getting a Moseen Nugant, They are better then M1903 Springfields. These russian rifles are almost as nice as Mousers LOL!
>>28036948
A .308 AR is not a bad choice, if you can afford it. However, the ammo is much more expensive than 5.56, and in a semi-auto it goes quick, so if you're poor, or just frugal, stick with a bolt action. For self defense, .308 is overkill. You should own a handgun or a 12ga for that anyway.
>>28036979
>abbreviation for 'to be honest' is memespeak
What the FUCK fäm. Why?
>>28036992
Isn't the mouse in nugget a /k/ meme?
>>28036948
.308 ARs are fine for the range or hunting. They're not combat rifles.
The question though is for defending your home do you need a rifle that can withstand the same conditions found innadesert or innaswamp? Probably not.
Honestly just get your cowboy gun. Not every gun has to be set up for tactical home defense use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCC8ugCAw
Ok this thing looks like it'll take down an elephant.
But yeah, honestly I love the aesthetic of it. But .357 sounds good too.
>>28036997
Noted. I'll find a handgun thread around and get a decent HD one.
Will
>>28037006
No, Mosins are pretty great 7bh f4m
>>28037006
Its one heck of a shotgun L.M.A.O XD
Seriously though if you are looking for a good Ought Six look into a Springfield whether it be a M1903 or M1903A3 they are great guns. That or a M1917 Enfield
>>28037026
>>28037031
Thanks for the advice fellas. I'll see what xmas has in store for me this year. Be well
>>28037043
Ya'll come back now
>>28037003
it became a meme when you made it one.
>>28036735
I would get an AR soon. You're going to get jewed the more you wait because of the election
>>28037069
This. However there are some good deals right now. ARs are the last rifle most people are looking at cause almost everyone else already has one.
While .45-70 is great, it's a huge leap from a .22. Youre going to drop a lot on ammunition, it kicks like a bitch (albeit that's kind of a moot point if you're properly shouldering your rifle), and in some areas of the country it may be hard to find (I live in the bible belt so there's not much that's readily available). The firearm itself is going to be rather expensive, and you definitely don't want the cheapest model available. If you're interested in a larger caliber rifle, look into a .308 (one chambered in specifically 7.62×51 if at all possible, makes buying dirt cheap milsurp rounds a little easier on the firearm), 30-30, .243, .270, or .357 magnum. I've listed such calibers as it seems you want an "old/cowboy" rifle. .45-70 would be better when you have more experience with firearms, as well as loading and reloading.
>protip: don't worry about "muh stoppin powah" everything mostly depends on shot placement, as well as a .270 can effectively drop any game in north america.
>>28036490
If you're in Alabama you could get a nice 30-30 for $300 http://www.armslist.com/posts/4901943/alabama-rifles-for-sale--winchester-94-30-30-rifle
>>28037069
>>28037099
>>28037162
Cool. I'll look into AR's then. I can understand what you mean by getting a .45-70 a little later, when I have some more experience with rifles.
Thanks gents, I do appreciate it.
But does anyone have the AR part guide? It was like 5 different pages, one about receivers, one about hand guards, optics, etc.
>>28036526
This except if you want a lever gun get 357. It's powerful enough out of a lever gun and it's nice when the gun and ammo are more compact and lighter.
.45-70 is cool but the ammo is like carrying around shotgun slugs. I think the drop rate is about the same too lol.
>>28037565
That is so fuckin cool
>>28036490
If you do not nor have plans to immediately start reloading, I'd avoid .45-70. You're looking, at the cheapest, over $1.20 per round.
That being said, it's a cool caliber. Can (with handloads) be everything from a powderpuff long-action .45LC to a real African-big-game caliber (more than a few elephants and hundreds of Cape buffalo have died to it). About the only thing it doesn't do well is distance, you're lobbing them at 200m and you might as well be a mortar trying to hit anything at 300m, especially out of one of the "carbine" lever guns.
Specifically regarding the Marlin: Buy one made prior to 2000 or one made after 2010. There was a span where their QC took a shit due to their subsidiary of Freedom Group/the changeover from Cerberus to Freedom Group. There is a significant amount of aftermarket for them. XS Sight Systems makes a top rail/peep sight combo, as well as various replacement front sights. The gun can be amazingly accurate, and a good rear aperture sight helps you realize its potential. The factory buckhorn rear is designed for fast shooting in close, it's pretty crude. It can also be slicked up (though on a .45-70 I would definitely avoid a short-throw kit, they weaken the lockup).
It (can) kick like a mule, especially with the short barrel. I have several .45-70's ranging from a vintage low-wall that weighs nearly 18lbs to an 1886 saddlering carbine that's under 7lbs. The low-wall is pretty tame, the SRC is a nightmare with its crescent butt and steel buttplate.
>>28037565
>>28037162 is almost entirely right, but he fucked up about the ammo interchangability. It's backwards.
That is, 7.62x51 is safe in a .308 but .308 may not be safe in a 7.62 chamber.
However, yeah ditch the .45-70. It's not a good first gun due to its ammo cost. Great for hunting but not worth it unless you plan on hunting something like bear. And in that case, I wholeheartedly recommend something like a Benelli Supernova with slugs and a rifled barrel.
>>28036753
fuuuck son. If you're gonna get an 1894, at least fucking get it in .44mag.
>>28036997
>much more expensive
>brass .308 is $0.37/rd, brass 5.56 is $0.31-0.50/rd
you wut m8?
>>28037011
>.308 AR
>not a combat rifle
The US military would like a word with you about that.
>wut is da M110 SASS?
