The Final Stretch
Previously on Victoria:
>William S. Lind (born July 9, 1947) is an American monarchist, paleoconservative, columnist, Christian, and a light rail enthusiast.
Preface
>the state upheld its unpleasant responsibility of setting torch to faggots, was what marked this as an act of Recovery
Chapter 21
>“T-34s are exactly the right tanks for us,” I replied. “They are crude, simple, and reliable. They always start and they always run. If they do break, any machine shop can fix ’em. We don’t want tanks to fight other tanks. That’s what anti-tank weapons are for. The best way to stop an M-1 is with a mine that blows a tread off. We want tanks for real armored warfare, which means to get deep in the enemy’s rear and overrun his soft stuff, his artillery and logistics trains and headquarters, so his whole force panics and comes apart.”
Chapter 22
>“Black people have been the only warriors in history. White men can’t fight. It’s because their noses are too small. Courage comes from the nose, not the heart, as the African spiritual healers you call witch doctors have long understood. That’s why black people eat their snot. What do you white folk do with your snot? You wrap it up in a little white surrender flag and put it in your pocket. So you don’t have no courage.”
Chapter 27
>Anyway, it was clear that Gunny Matthews, the director of the Council Of Responsible Negroes, or CORN, had a tough row to hoe.
>>30612767
My body is ready.
So ready.
Reposting this since I came into the last thread late.
>>30610950
>“A Q-bomb, sir. A doomsday device. It’s every nuclear weapon the Azanians could get their hands on, all tied together to go off at once. It’s at least 1000 megatons, sir. If it blows, the whole of North America is going to get bathed in radiation. It’ll be worse than 1000 Chernobyl’s. And the Zanies’ email has told whoever is in charge of it to set it off if the bunker is breached.”
I...uh....well...So they have over TWO THOUSAND nuclear warheads (if they are all W88 warheads, and B83 dismantlement stopped in 2016) all linked together?
So it would be impossible to have them all linked so that they detonate at the exact same time, unless they had them all in a large room, and had equal lengths of wires running from the command device (whatever the hell that could be), and that seems impossible, given the area covered by these weapons would be about 5200 ft^2, give or take.
So when the first few weapons start going off when the detonation signal reaches them...
You know what? Fuck it. Its impossible with known science.
Even the laws of physics bend before the genius of 4GW.
This should be good.
Thanks for this Bill, heard about this over on /tg/ and once I got into it I knew I had to see this shit show through to the end.
also heres that poll from the last thread
http://www.strawpoll.me/10741715
>>30612767
Chapter 28
>A computer wizard in Providence came up with a terminal that gave the user hard copy as he typed, thus guaranteeing he would never again lose days of work because the system crashed. He called his device a “printwriter,” and it sold like, well, typewriters.
Chapter 36
The ""good guys"" nuke Atlanta with a tactical warhead that doesn't actually exist from an Arado 234.
Chapter 37
>Operational Decision Game
>Your squad comes under fire from a far ambush. They have LMGs but no mortars. What do you do Johnson?
>Bathe Atlanta in hellfire, sir. Fuck the niggers.
Chapter 38
>As it turned out, the Nazis took over Wisconsin while the cultural Marxists conquered Minnesota... Leader Braun set up a concentration camp at Oshkosh, with gas chambers, ovens, the whole works, and began building a new state capitol in the form of a swastika so huge it would be visible from space.
Chapter 39
>I didn’t mind a bit of multiculturalism with Asians, because their culture, like Western culture, had earned respect.
Chapter 40
>[Dive bombers] were slow but deadly accurate, and unlike fancy PGMs you could stock a lot of 2,000 pound bombs because they were cheap.
Chapter 41
>[Neo-Aztecs] have come to take captives for Huitzilopochtli. In the time of Cortez, Huitzilopochtli preferred Indian blood. But through his priests, he has told the Mexica Tlatoani, their priest-king, that he will no longer accept the hearts and blood of Indians. He demands white hearts and white blood now. So the Mexica go ever farther in their quest for those things.”
Chapter 42
>In what was called the “stud muffin amendment,” muscular young men were exempted. Instead, they had to leave their chests bare and wear leather.
Chapter 44
>“How are they doing it? They’re not sending out the Dykes on Bikes, are they?”
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>>30612798
How are you 2GW techno-attritionists supposed to fight 4GW magic powers?
Zap motherfucker! Let's see your fancy computers and shit beat that.
>>30612798
Assuming it somehow did work, what would a 1,000 chernobyl groundburst actually do?
>>30613040
It would be better if it was uniting the American people.
But still 10/10
>>30613040
"I must unite the American people without electricity"
>>30613040
Saved
>>30612948
275 meter asteroid impact. Give or take.
Global effects. Not extinction level, but would probably kill 60% of the mammals in North America.
Chapter 45: Murder Simulators
>Were symbols chosen by men of action rather than poets and painters, they would be very different. The symbol of war would be a hand reaching out toward another, for war makes brothers of men. The symbol of peace would be a sword, for peace divides.
This explains a lot about Lind, doesn't it
>War had cleansed our country of America's vices, the silliness, selfishness, and sluttiness that had overflowed the late United States. We had fought together, scrimped together, and huddled together in our cold, dark houses for more than a decade.
By exterminating everyone that disagreed with you, was too swarthy for your liking, or had the wrong plumbing
>Unless the man at the top insists on a rigorous, honest, air-all-the-dirty-linen review, even the best army tends to reach for the whitewash. Then, the next time, it makes the same mistakes all over again and the lance corporals pay the bill.
Things like rushing headlong into being encircled and defeated in detail -oh wait!
>The second thing I did was tell Bill Kraft to cut the defense budget. The continent was as quiet as it was likely to get, quiet enough we could reduce the burden on our taxpayers. I figured we could cut our spending at least by half.
I like to imagine they were doing some Soviet shit and spending something in the vicinity 25% of their GPA on their military.
>In late March, I wandered over to Bill Kraft’s office to get his take on an idea. The best officer education the world had known was in the old German Kriegsakademie.
Gratuitous German Quotes: 28
This time, you should take two sips of your Sam Adams because of how much he's sucking Prussian dick.
>The second thing I did was tell Bill Kraft to cut the defense budget. The continent was as quiet as it was likely to get, quiet enough we could reduce the burden on our taxpayers. I figured we could cut our spending at least by half.
I like to picture the Tzar waking up each and every bright morning and skipping over to his big ol' whiteboard of "THINGS THE UNITED STATES USED TO HAVE". Its like Christmas morning every morning, he gets to cross off another thing on the list. F-35s are gone, national unity is gone, and now that the continent is peaceful the Russians can finally take back Alaska without worry of any serious retribution. Well played Tzar, well played.
>>30613119
>The symbol of war would be a hand reaching out toward another, for war makes brothers of men. The symbol of peace would be a sword, for peace divides.
Bull fucking shit.
>>30613055
>>30613066
okay i revised it
>>30613119
"Men of action" was a favorite concept of Oswald Mosley, so I guess it does explain a lot about where Lind's beliefs come from whether he admits it or not
>>30613168
Any time he has surplus military gear he's tired of storing he ships it to the NC.
>>30613119
>Colonel Mike Fox, formerly of the United States Marine Corps, was a neighbor of mine up in Hartland. Mike had been one of the leaders of the last, doomed attempt to make the U.S. armed forces think seriously about war, the Military Reform Movement of the 1980’s. There was no one better on the subject of officer education.
"Dude, check out my proposal for a tank to outnumber and outfight the T-72" - Pierre Sprey
"Pass the coke, Pierre"
- William Lind
>“None I can think of,” I replied. “It's about time somebody brings back the name. Germany calls its General Staff academy the Führungsakademie now. They’re afraid some idiot will call them Nazis if they use the old name, even though the Nazis hated the place and everything else about the old Prussian officer corps.”
At least they aren't Nazis
>“Are you going to wear it for the ceremonies opening the Fundy project? The first power is due to start flowing in May, if I remember right.”
Even after detonating 300 tonnes of TNT outside Shanghai, a major port, the Chinese are still happy to build their power grid for them
>“I can’t imagine why not,” I replied, taken aback. “Our industries have been starved for power. With this, they should be able to take off. It’s clean power, too. Why shouldn’t we celebrate?”
Given the printwriter, you can anticipate what's coming
>“Television, computers, and cars, to give three good reasons up front,” Bill shot back. “The best thing the war has done for us, beyond guaranteeing our survival, is shattering the virtual realities created by television and computers. Cars and television together destroyed community in the old U.S.A., and without community there is no way to prevent moral decay except by the power of the state. That’s another road we don’t want to go down.”
Calm down, Kraft. You might have a heart attack at this rate.
>>30613219
"they're like human cosmoline!"
>>30613168
What it's like to be Tsar Alexander in Victoria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUPGxVCIvrI
>>30613117
Sounds roughly like the yellowstone supervolcano going off.
Would it detonating on the West Coast reduce the impact on the rest of the country/world?
>>30613231
All of my KEKS, sir.
All of them.
>>30613220
>Führungsakademie
You missed some gratuitous German there bub
>>30613264
Sorry senpai. That puts us at 29 then
>>30613231
>My Tzar, why do we keep giving the Americans tanks? Are we not going to invade the capitali... i mean the filthy democracy?.
>No you do not understand, Vitoli. First we flood them with tanks. So many tanks they cannot possibly drive them all. Then when we invade, we simply use the tanks that they cannot. It is foolproof plan!
>>30613208
Lind posts on TraditionalRight, which is a site in the vein of the European Nouvelle Droite/Julius Evola traditionalists, so I'm sure that the Mosley connection isn't a coincidence.
>>30613220
Someone show Lind VR porn and watch his heart seize up.
>>30613220
>“Waal, I have to admit, I haven’t thought much about that side of it. I was just looking forward to central heat, hot water without heating kettles on the stove, and lights that go on when you flip a switch. Not to mention ice cream.”
For once, I agree with Rumford
>“Well, you’d better think about it, because we all face some tough decisions. If we decide wrongly, we may end up right back where we were. Remember, technology isn’t neutral. Some technologies are inherently evil in their effects. And there is no record of a modern society being able to say no to a technology.”
They're going to somehow have both top notch cyberwarfare capabilities and remove computers from every aspect of life.
>Slowly, through the war years, the Retroculture movement had been spreading through the N.C. In wartime, a return to past ways of living had been natural, often unavoidable. Our poverty and our loss of many of the “necessities” of early 21st century life had compelled people to go back.
So, it is an ideology then, is it not?
>But a return of electric power and prosperity would change that. For many people, it would be all too easy to slide back down into the modern age. They’d buy one of those nice, new electric cars that gave 300 miles on a full battery and recharged in 15 minutes.
Yes, yes! Well done, Toyota! Well done, Toyota! However, we like our steam trains and horses more.
>Then, they’d get a big TV and DVD player, so instead of spending their evenings on the front porch with family and friends they could solo in whatever imaginary world promised the most sensual pleasure.
Because that might shatter the illusion that they've made things better. Well done, Fuhrer Kraft
>Or they could lose themselves on the internet, opening up to utter strangers about matters they wouldn’t feel comfortable sharing with their priest.
Things like this novel
>>30613372
>That would be the natural trend of things, and if the Retro folks wanted to stop it, they’d have to stop it before it got started.
Haven't you fucking said that, Ideology loses when confronted with reality. Maybe this means that there is hope for this brave new world.
>As the roads began to dry out, in that Spring of 2039, they again bore citizens carrying petitions. The return of real democracy meant that when our people wanted to do something, they could. The proposed new law was simple and clear: “Resolved, that it shall be unlawful in the Northern Confederation to use any technology not in common usage in the year 1930.”
In a book of wishful thinking, this might just take the cake
>That meant radio was legal, but not television. Electric cars and trucks were all right, but only with lead-acid batteries and that made them short range forms of transportation. The price of oil still made gas cars unaffordable. No computers, DVDs, Xerox machines, cell phones, sat phones, none of that witches’ brew of technologies that had so undermined the old ways of living. An exception was made for the armed forces and for medical technologies, but nothing else.
Hi there, North Korea
>>30612798
Not trying to be that guy but if you meant 5,200 square feet, that's not an impossibly large area. Can't tell because Wikipedia lists the physics package of a W88 at about a square foot if it were on end.
>>30613466
I'm surprised the cutoff wasn't 1870 as that was the last year before German Unification and thus Glorious Prussia was still it's own state.
>>30613466
Okay, so explain fucking print-writers then, Lind. Sure as hell didn't have them in 1930. And does that apply to the military, because if so time to send those T-34s back.
>>30613466
At least Medicine got a pass. Mostly because they'd all be dead of polio if it didn't.
>>30613466
>“Resolved, that it shall be unlawful in the Northern Confederation to use any technology not in common usage in the year 1930.”
"My organs really hurt. I wish there was some kind magnetic resonance imaging machine that could be used to save my life. Oh well. Someone find me some snake oil and start saying some prayers"
>>30613466
>The opposition was considerable. A few folks argued we should let anyone do whatever they wanted: liberty confused with license. Memories of the American republic and its final decadence were too strong for that to go very far. Most opponents put forward a different case: that we had learned our lessons and could now be trusted to use modern technologies in the right ways. We could produce decent, uplifting television, television that would bring high culture to average people. We could own cars, but leave them in the garage when we didn’t really need them, still walking to local stores and taking the train on longer trips. We could use computers, but understand that the connections we made through them were to a virtual reality, inferior to the reality that awaited beyond the front door. The case seemed reasonable, practical, and moderate. At least, it did for those without much understanding of human nature.
You would think this might lead to civil war, but of course not
>Here too human nature came into play: I foresaw an enormous black market, an underground of people who defied the law and owned TVs and computers or souped-up their cars with better batteries. And what then? Would we have Northern Confederation police in black ninja suits and body armor breaking down doors in the middle of the night to seize forbidden devices and arrest people for possessing them? That wasn’t the kind of country I fought to create.
It's the kind of country you're going to get. Also, some inspiration for writefags to get cracking.
We are so off the rails I think we're in the ocean.
>>30613220
>last, doomed attempt to make the U.S. armed forces think seriously about war
fucking MEMES
There's a lot of well-known institutional problems with the Pentagon, including excessive techno-enthusiasm, a culture of hideous cost overruns, a tendency to overfocus on force-on-force attrition and a bizarre need to make everything a powerpoint, but this an extremely myopic and arrogant claim from someone whose pet theories were on the wrong side of history. Despite all of its flaws, which literally any military theorist inside or outside the Pentagon can tell you about, the U.S. military as an institution is actually pretty good at "thinking about war" and very good at fighting wars.
We have accumulated immense practical experience about modern war and have built up a very strong system for propagating that experience within the organization and incorporating it into doctrine - probably the best system in the world, honestly. For example: the US Army COIN field manual going into Afghanistan was largely based on a very good 1996 British Army manual. When the British deployed to Helmand province in 2006, they didn't use their own field manual, but had to borrow ours - because their own manual had never been printed for dissemination across the service, largely for cost reasons. This isn't a dig at the British military, but a good example of just how the US military's enormous resources help us to retain and develop organizational knowledge, as well as build ridiculous boondoggle weapon systems.
And those boondoggle weapon systems generally fucking work out, too. If Lind thinks the Iraq War was a failure, he should imagine what would have happened without drones and force networking and LGBs. We fought two Vietnams at once for a decade, one in the Graveyard of Empires, for 1/10th the dead. That's 10 times as many veterans alive to propagate their experience within the organization. That's money well spent.
>>30613526
Nah, you can use that shit for medicine.
Of course, all that means is that doctors are going yo be even more incompetant at using computers
>>30613541
Choo, choo motherfucker
All aboard the light rail tram
>>30613521
Military gets a pass. Medicine too. So if they need to nuke another population center, they're still good.
God. What dogshit though, residential Air Conditioning wasn't even a THING at that point. Mostly kept to workplaces and movie theaters.
>>30613544
Yeah, now we just get to see Lind's lack of understanding caring about logistics from a civilian perspective. Who is going to operate all of these machines? Who is going to repair them? Who is going to come up with new technologies to cause your little circlejerk to not get BTFO when someone wants to invade.
A fun story would be like 20 years after the end of the story where a foreign nation decides to invade Lind land and its like Pizarro vs. Incas with Lind being the Incas
>>30613588
There are no brakes on the mission type orders train.
Because brakes are heaven devices intended to stop us from seeing God's word or something
>>30613570
Light Rail was more or less created in the 1970s.
>>30613588
Nice Hitler Dubs
My personal taste for /k/ollective writing would be something along the lines of people trying to resurrect the old America from the post-Apocalyptic ruins of the Midwest. That's what I was getting at with my Captain America writefaggotry
>>30613466
>"golly I wish my fishing boat heah had still one o' dem radars, so maybe i wouldn't be sinking right now and my kids wouldn't all stahve"
>>30613588
dude we'll just trade for it with the chinese for pinecone bucks lmao
>>30613466
So this entire thing turns out to be The Turner Diaries meets the Butlerian Jihad?
>>30613490
>, that's not an impossibly large area
I didnt say it was.
The issue is the the time it takes to send detonation signals to weapons covering an area that large and having them all go off is impossible.
It has nothing to do with the size and more to do with the speed of X-rays and electrons.
Basically, as one weapon begins to detonate, the flux of high energy from the fission as the bomb case disentigrates would effect neighboring weapons. Having the detonation timed to avoid this is impossible with that number of weapons over that distance.
Not to mention getting past the safety features.
>physics package.
They would have to have the entire warhead.
>>30613526
They're allowed to use medical technologies. So instead it becomes.
>My organs sure do hurt, I wish I wasn't a days ride by horse to the closest hospital with electrical power, or that I had some way to communicate my need for immediate medical attention to the emergency services.
I don't really know telephones work in this world because they weren't particularly widespread until the 1930s.
But yes this entire thing is people legislating themselves into living an artificially low quality of life forever for no reason.
>>30613624
The Jihad just did away with computers. They still loved all their spaceships and lasers.
>>30613616
>"Gee willickers. This hurricane came from nowhere. If only we had some sort of device that allowed us to see storms before they hit, then my house wouldn't be making it's way to China."
>>30613624
I am strangely okay with that.
>>30613466
>The rally began at 8 PM on the State House lawn. Thousands of people came, some from as far away as Vermont. Most were in Victorian dress, although some were in clothes from almost every period from colonial up through the 1950s. The cut-off point for Retroculture was 1959: anything before that year was acceptable. After that came the ‘60s and cultural Marxism.
This is a silly scene.
>“Turn back, O man, forswear thy foolish ways. Old now is earth, and none may count her days. Yet thou, her child, whose head is crowned with flame, Still wilt not hear thine inner God proclaim, Turn back, O man, forswear thy foolish ways.” Then came a succession of speakers, leaders of the Retroculture Movement and organizers of the vote. Most were women, many the same women who had pushed through the decision to go to war in Azania. One of them, Mrs. William P. Hamilton of Gilman's Corner, New Hampshire, told the crowd, “In Azania, we saw the terrible plight into which the modern age led women. It is therefore right and proper that women should lead this nation back, away from that poisonous age to a better time when women and men both knew and did their duties.”
And they claim they aren't an ideology
>The governor’s vast bulk towered over the puny podium, and with a final fanfare from the brass band the crowd grew quiet. There was no microphone; Retro politicians were expected to have a voice. Bill never lacked one. He could have shouted down a convention of moose. No one would miss his words that evening, nor forget them.
I thought microphones were sufficiently retro. They've been around for a while.
>>30613629
>artificially low quality of life forever for no reason
Pretty much. When kids started dying because you couldn't get them to the hospital in a hurry or something else avoidable, a lot of people would be having serious second thoughts.
>>30613588
I wanted the invading country to be Quebec and have them Napoleon all over the Victorian army. I was concerned when they took Quebec but since they kicked out all of the French Canadians, I have a mighty need for Napoleon to come out and give Kraft a nice reminder of the War of the Fourth Coalition.
>>30613536
>Would we have Northern Confederation police in black ninja suits and body armor breaking down doors in the middle of the night to seize forbidden devices and arrest people for possessing them? That wasn’t the kind of country I fought to create.
>It's the kind of country you're going to get.
I'm sure this will all work out without any conflict right?
>>30613638
Oh gosh, sure would be nice if i could somehow prevent all my meat from rotting before i could eat it. Would'a prevented the first 4 of my 15 children from dying.
>>30613466
can civilians have guns from after the 1930s or is that only the military?
>>30613679
Everyone gets nuggets as a Christmas present from the Tsar.
>>30613662
>I was concerned when they took Quebec but since they kicked out all of the French Canadians
Turn Lind's hardon for reactionary exile armies against him and have an alliance of Quebecois and Jacobites invade.
>>30613638
In retrospect, I didn't mean to be redundant.
Ahem
>Golly. I wish I didn't have mad cow disease.If only there was some organization tasked with preventing bad things from happening in meat packing plants.
>>30613629
>I don't really know telephones work in this world because they weren't particularly widespread until the 1930s.
Well, before that point they had telegraphy.
Dunno what sort of merry hell it'd play with civilian logistics, but we're established that Lind really doesn't give a shit.
>>30613657
>“I speak this evening as one of you. I have been Retro since long before the term was coined or a movement imagined. From my earliest childhood I loved the old and passing and detested the new and modern things. Before I was ten, I mourned the passing of the steam engine and the trolley car. I loved the town and loathed the suburb. I answered rock and roll with Strauss waltzes played on my wind-up gramophone. In my teens, for a whole year I gave up electricity, lighting my room with kerosene lamps and washing each morning from a bowl and pitcher.
Kraft is definitely somewhere on the autism spectrum. Anyway, just sit back, relax, and enjoy the crazy
>“The culture of late 20th and early 21st centuries America was a landfill of lies. But the greatest lie of all, the foundational lie, was the lie that said, ‘You can’t go back. You can do anything you can imagine, but not the things you already have done!’ It was nonsense. What we did once we can do again. But it was repeated so often that, like most of the other lies, almost everyone believed it. Those of us who did not were seen first as cranks, then as monsters.
>“But the truth will out, and it has. We can go back. Of course, we do not recapture the past exactly, nor do we seek to. But we can recover its essence, its best, its foundation and framework. And much of its charm and grace and beauty also. We cannot be our grandparents. But we can live very much as our grandparents did by honoring them and emulating them and learning from them. That we have done, all of us gathered here tonight.
>>30613657
>The governor’s vast bulk
I should just leave this thread now because I don't know if I will laugh any harder
>>30613616
>"I wish we had onna dem refrigerated thrucks so we could transport food and my little town wasn't resorting to cannibalism because of a bovine disease"
>>30613690
...
I am now a Lindian.
Whoo, go God and Jesus and shit.
>>30613720
But we can live very much as our grandparents did by honoring them and emulating them and learning from them. That we have done, all of us gathered here tonight.
Now I cannot speak for anyone else in the thread, but im almost 100% sure my grandparents didn't Nuke anyone, so I doubt the veracity of this statement.
>>30613720
To be fair to him, steam engines are fucking awesome.
t. not even railfan
>>30613746
>but im almost 100% sure my grandparents didn't Nuke anyone
>>30613774
Yeah. Lind should give up this military/political shit and just write about riding trains.
>>30613720
>“This movement, Retroculture, embodies my most daring hopes and boldest dreams. Throughout the hideous final years of the American republic, I prayed such a turning would take place, impossible as it seemed. As we cut our chains to that republic’s corpse, I began to think this day might come. Now it has. In it, in the movement to reconnect with our own past, lies our best chance of recovering civilization and fortifying it so strongly no future savagery dares approach its walls.
>“It is from that perspective that I tell you tonight that I am unalterably opposed to this ballot measure.”
>The crowd had been getting what it expected and swaying along happily with the speaker. Now, it thought it had misheard something. It was suddenly edgy, focused, intent.
Just like a cult
>“You have heard me correctly,” Bill continued. “I am as opposed to this measure as to anything I ever fought against in my life. I am opposed to it so strongly that if it passes, I will retire at once from this office and from all public life.”
>That brought gasps and shouts of “No!”
Drink the koolaid, faggots
>“I am opposed not to the end, but to the means. I realize as well as anyone the dangers inherent in video screen technologies and in automobiles. I do not doubt that, if they proliferate in the Northern Confederation, they will set us on a course not unlike that of America in its final decades. They must be stopped. But not this way.
I think a society based of 4chan board culture would work better than Victoria. At the very least, /k/ could come up with a more sensible military.
>>30613746
>Now I cannot speak for anyone else in the thread, but im almost 100% sure my grandparents didn't Nuke anyone, so I doubt the veracity of this statement.
My grandparents lived in Texas during the 1920s and 1930s and they think that AC is one of the greatest things ever.
Grandma who lost her brother at Pearl Harbor also loved Truman for dropping the bomb, so there's that.
>>30613720
>America died so that a fat wehraboo could realize his autistic fantasy of cosplaying the 1930s
Jesus Christ why didn't we stop it
>>30613791
A part of me likes to imagine Lind as the I Like Trains Kid from the ASDFMovies.
>>30613746
>>30613720
>2030
My grandparents lived in the time of cable TV and the evils of rock music. I think he means our great great grandparents My great great grandfather died of the fucking flu. And my other great great grandfather was hung for stealing cattle. Life back then legitimately sucked. If this faggot likes living such a hard shitty lifestyle why doesn't he just go larp in Africa or rural Mexico or something.
>>30613690
If they abolished Santa as a pagan distraction from Christ and he really did get replaced by Tsar Nuggetmas I'd be happy
>>30613797
>At the very least, /k/ could come up with a more sensible military.
The Cult of the Murdercube could be the state religion.
>>30613821
Is it truly a cult if we have no charisma and no kool-aid, either literlor metaphorical?
>>30613797
>“Cultural degradation and decay are not the only diseases once rampant in America that still could sicken us. Another is loss of freedom to an intrusive, meddling, evil-stepmother state. Have we so quickly forgotten that by the 1990s, the federal government in Washington told you what kind of toilet and shower head you had to have in your own house? If this measure were to pass, it would mandate that the government of the Northern Confederation become that kind of government: overweening, ever-present, a daily, oppressive force in the life of the citizen. I won’t stand for it.
>“There is another way, and a far better one. It is a way taken by our forefathers, the people we seek to learn from and emulate. In their hands, it had great power without coercion by the state. I am speaking of the pledge.
>“The Victorians battled with success against some of the most powerful demons lodged in human nature, including the demon of habitual drunkenness, with the pledge. We can fight these technological demons with the same weapon, and defeat them. Instead of passing a law and setting the state on your neighbor like a dog, I am asking you tonight to go to your neighbor yourself. Ask him to pledge that he will join you in refusing to own or use a computer, a cell phone, a television, or an automobile capable of traveling more than 25 miles. Ask him to join you in making life real and local.
>“You have a strong base from which to build. You have us, every practitioner of Retroculture in the land. You have everyone who signed your petitions.
>“And you have me. While I must oppose to the utmost of my strength this misconceived attempt to inflate the power of the state, I will eagerly serve a drive to convince our fellow citizens to take the pledge. I will begin now, by taking that pledge myself.”
>With that, Bill pulled a pledge card from his coat pocket, drew his fountain pen from another and signed.
>>30613813
Lind means *his* grandparents famalam.
c'mon, don't rain on his shit parade
>>30613720
wait, this is like 2040 something now, right? Bill Kraft is what, 70? He doesn't even fucking remember steam engines and trolley cars!
also "Retroculture" is established as being any time before 1960, so Bill is being kind of a huge dick to the 1940s and 1950s retroculture participants.
>>30613797
Ok, OP, I think I see the writefagging on the wall. Punk Rock Captain America rides into the NC, finds Pleasentville and inspires a rebellion with punk rock and comics. Kinda Beyond Thunderdome meets Footloose.
>>30613797
So, Kraft is opposing the Luddite law
>>30613847
For absolutely different reasons than most people would.
But hey, I'm okay with this, it just means I can slam the door in the face of any idiot who tries to make me give up shitposting on the internet. Weirdly live and let live of the guy.
>>30613857
Rumford is a Millennial, Kraft is probably on the late end of Gen X.
>>30613857
Does he even realize that the Beatniks and early counterculture got their start within his retroculture period? Also, he totally forgets the Roaring 20s happened.
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>>30613846
I'm using "cult" in a broader sense - more like the Cult of Mithras or something like that.
>>30613720
>>30613797
This is getting into some of the stupidest shit we've read so far. There was shitloads of degeneracy in pre 1959 society. The only reason its forgotten is because of selective memory.
Its kind of like listening to a classic rock station and saying to yourself how much better the music is on it compared to a top 40 station without stopping to think about how the music of the classic rock station is handpicked from 3-4 decades of what is retroactively considered to be the best and the top 40 station is whats been popular in the last two months.
Eventually people forget about all the shit and just remember the good parts. I am now convinced that Lind is a literal autist
>>30613922
Eh, Lind is the kind of conservative societies have been getting since Socrates.
>The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.
>>30613847
oh FUCK OFF. "We don't want a Brave New World, so let's all work real hard to make 1984 a reality by fostering paranoia and distrust among neighbors. In Prussia we call this The Volkstasi"
>>30613922
I just posted exactly that in >>30613902. Hell, I learned about a shitload of this stuff so I could get my history MA. Once you actually look at what was going on during that period, the more you realize Lind is completely full of bullshit.
What sort of education does this guy (claim to) have again?
>>30613857
Bill Kraft is Bill Lind. Literally. Lind has stopped caring about timelines just to make his mary sue a carbon copy of himself.
>>30613922
As a person with autism, Lind does not seem like me or people like me. Autistic does not mean delusional, it means you have trouble catching unsaid social cues.
>>30613847
As the proud owner of a Laban Maya (and fountain pens are worthwhile getting into; they're top-tier comfy for writing), I'm irritated that he uses them as a symbol of his neo-Luddite ideology.
Kraft at this point decides to sell his '48 Buick to show his dedication to Retroculture.
>“I know many of you are disappointed. You will still have the opportunity to vote for the ban, of course. I could not remove it from the ballot if I wanted to, and I do not want to. That is also part of the meaning of liberty. But I urge you to vote against it, as I will vote against it, remembering that where moral choice is impossible, there can be no virtue. Then, let us join our efforts to convince our fellow citizens to do by choice what I would not have the state compel them to do: renounce these infernal devices.”
This ends Fattie Fedora's speech.
>He had also set two precedents that have since become sacred in this country. The first was that our lives would not be politicized. Because government touches us seldom, and then lightly, beyond demands war may temporarily impose, politics doesn’t matter much. We elect our officials, and more importantly, we vote directly on any major matter of state in referenda. But custom now limits what even a referendum may impose. Any proposed law that goes beyond those limits, that threatens government interference in average people’s daily lives, is seen as illegitimate and has no chance of passage.
But things like arbitrarily restricting technology to a 1930s level doesn't fall under that panachea.
Fuck this incoherent political ideology.
>>30613947
tbqhfam, I think he's right.
Oh no, not his shit about how "back in my day we had to walk ten miles in the snow. Uphill both ways," as that's literally insane. But rather how it's silly to write a law to do something as stupid as ban technology when you're entire shchtick is having a weak government.
>>30613981
He was born in 1949 so he has all the memories of that era filtered by his old man angst.
>>30613991
What do you think would be a more correct diagnosis, then? Bipolar? Schizophrenic? Dementia?
Because this guy's obviously batshit insane, we just have to figure out how at this point.
>>30613995
Yeah, broken clocks and all that.
>>30614028
Generalized Retard Disorder
>>30614028
>What do you think would be a more correct diagnosis, then? Bipolar? Schizophrenic? Dementia?
Old.
>>30613994
>The second nation-shaping precedent Governor Kraft set that dramatic evening was the pledge. At first, it did not seem like much, merely a clever device to sidestep a political problem. But it turned out to be much more. The pledge revived and made part of our culture the very essence of liberty: voluntary self-discipline.
>As the American republic spun into the ground toward the end of the 20th century, “freedom” came to mean simply doing whatever you want. “If it feels good, do it,” was what the vanguard of the cultural proletariat said in the 1960s. But that was license, not liberty, and no society could long sustain it or survive it.
I'm a fan of Stoicism, but come on son
>As the American Founding Fathers knew and incessantly preached, liberty really meant something else: substituting self-discipline for the imposed discipline of the state. They called that self-discipline “virtue.” Through virtue, men would do the right thing even though the state would allow them to do wrong, up to a point, anyway. Of course, in the late 18th century, Americans understood the difference between right and wrong. Even those who were not practicing Jews or Christians respected the Ten Commandments.
Which is why we're creating an oppressive Luddite regime to control how people think and act.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XixH7NMkOe8
Pic related is the hero we need tbqh
>"John, the war was our nation’s course of instruction. It taught us life’s most important lesson: what is real and what is not. Now, in what I proposed tonight, we face our final exam. Have we grasped reality firmly enough that we can reject both illusions that drove America to suicide, the illusion of beneficent government power and the illusion that decadence can be indulged? If we fail the exam, we will fail as a nation, and swiftly too, I think. Never have we, have I, taken a greater risk than this. Yet there is no other way.”
Meet the new boss, same as the old
>>30614028
Probably some dementia. We started discussing in the last thread about his major hangups with women. Even my inner /pol/tard was seriously disgusted about some of his views on how women think and what their place in the world should be.
>>30613991
>mfw Lind managed to offend autists
>>30614072
Literally every demographic in /k/ offended.
>>30614054
>the very essence of liberty: voluntary self-discipline.
this is still the same society that burns women alive for claiming to be episcopalian priests, right?
>>30614113
>Literally every demographic outside of his insane hugbox forum denizens offended.
Fixed.
>>30614124
It's Newspeak desu
>>30614124
Or slaughters entire campuses for being liberal.
>>30613805
>filename
Ok, I legitimately laughed.
>>30613624
Getting rid of computers ain't so bad when you have one drug that turns people into computers, and another that lets you see the future.
But last I checked, Lind hasn't include spice or safu in this story.
Furthermore, I think the The God-Emperor Leto II would love to have words with Ol' Rummy about his disparaging view of women.
>>30614054
>The very evening Bill spoke, the first groups met to design and carry out the pledge drive. Some did so because they regarded the governor as their leader. Others realized a voluntary pledge was more powerful than state imposition, not less. Many came forward, then and later, because Retroculture itself warned against the power of the state. The world Retroculture sought to recapture had been one where the American federal government was small and unobtrusive.
I want to say that he's fetishizing the 1870s-90s
>The advocates of television and computers and cars dismissed the pledge campaign. They were sure the convenience of easy travel and the allure of instant entertainment would be irresistible.
A reasonable assessment
>They were wrong.
Naturally.
>Dr. Faust struck back with all he had. The mails were stuffed with glitzy brochures pushing TVs and computers. Toyota offered its fast, sleek, long-range electric cars at a loss, priced lower than a decent wagon and a pair of Percherons.
>Men in raincoats lurked outside schools, offering children violent video games for free.
"Psst, kid. Want a murder simulator?"
Add Doom to the list of things Lind is asspained about.
>They got their majority by November 15th. Throughout the Confederation, Thanksgiving was celebrated with a special fervor that year. By Christmas, an amazing 85 percent of the people of the Northern Confederation had taken the pledge.
Wow, I'm surprised it's not 83%
That's some pretty good propaganda
>As the pledge drive grew, so did the understanding that these technologies were immoral. If a family got a TV or a computer, it found its neighbors growing chilly. They wouldn’t allow their children to go to that house. In Boston, the Catholic Archbishop excommunicated television owners. When people drove their fancy new Toyota to a store or restaurant, they were often refused service. Sometimes, children threw stones.
And this is how you get your own homegrown guerillas.
How long until the Chinese defeat Russia and send a cvbg to establish legation cities in Maine?
>>30613994
>I could not remove it from the ballot if I wanted to, and I do not want to. That is also part of the meaning of liberty. But I urge you to vote against it, as I will vote against it, remembering that where moral choice is impossible, there can be no virtue. Then, let us join our efforts to convince our fellow citizens to do by choice what I would not have the state compel them to do:
The broken clock has found a nut. This is straight libertarian philosophy, divested of the weapons-grade Tard of the rest of the book.
>>30614225
>Men in raincoats lurked outside schools, offering children violent video games for free.
>>30614225
>percherons
What about the fact that taking care of horses is FUCKING EXPENSIVE long term?
And also that, you know, most people aren't going to have land enough to keep a pair of horses.
>>30614225
>If a family got a TV or a computer, it found its neighbors growing chilly. They wouldn’t allow their children to go to that house. In Boston, the Catholic Archbishop excommunicated television owners. When people drove their fancy new Toyota to a store or restaurant, they were often refused service. Sometimes, children threw stones.
This is so fucking retarded.
>>30614225
>mfw the IJN arrives to force the gaijin to reopen the country to Japanese electronics exports
thus began the First Toyota War and the century of humiliation
>>30614225
The NC military is going to be doing great when all of their recruits have never used a automobile before enlisting- let alone having the slightest idea of how one works
>>30614275
Shh, we killed all the faggots and feminists, and turned their ungodly urban centers into pastures
>>30614275
Isn't it nice to be able to cross the street and not step in 5 pounds of horse shit sitting on the road? Not in Lind world
>>30614284
Mission-type orders will solve that.
>>30614283
Second Toyota War actually
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War
>>30614225
>Dr. Faust’s party tried to put a good face on it, hoping that with time, folks would loosen up. But the fact was, they were beat. The new television stations went broke. The long-range cars were sold for export. When the telephone operator detected a modem, she pulled the plug.
What an Orwellian society
>Oh, a few madmen in cabins in the woods kept their toys; you can find some even today. New England has always had its eccentrics. But, the hopes of Henry David Thoreau notwithstanding, we’ve always been able to tell a loon from an owl.
I guess Lind is asspained about Thoreau
>Maria and I were together a lot that summer. That’s the real test. Does time in close company draw people together or cause them to rub each other raw? Nature usually decrees the second. But farming reminds us of another fact, which is that labor can overcome nature. Maria and I were both old enough and mature enough to work at getting along. So we did, and time smoothed the rough edges rather than sharpening them. Which is another way of saying we were growing into love.
Lind's platonic ideal of a waifu
>One afternoon late in August, when days were growing cool but not yet noticeably short, Cousin John drove up to visit in his new Baker Electric car. John had gone Retro, and the car was Retro, too. It was a duplicate of the china closet, the electric car favored by old ladies early in the 20th century: black, upright, with a short sloping hood and a trunk filled with lead-acid batteries. It had window shades and flower vases and was driven from the back seat with a tiller. Instead of a horn, it had a bell. It was a perfect lawyer’s car, which is what Cousin John was. Even in summer, he always wore a black homburg hat.
If you're going to this retroculture stuff, you might as well make Stanley Steamers the standard motor transportation.
>>30614284
It's even better than that.
Remember how Lind said that T-34's were perfect because any machine shop could fix it?
GUESS WHAT ASSHOLES
>>30614336
Maybe they'll be forced to upgrade to T-72s
>>30614333
>When the telephone operator detected a modem, she pulled the plug.
>implying modems work that way
>>30614225
>excommunicated television owners
Sick, the neo-Luddite not an ideology is now not a theology. But at least the government isn't stoning people in the street. It's not protecting people from being stoned in the streets for their beliefs, but I'm sure that's a good thing.
>>30614355
They'll go more retro: Mark V tanks
>>30614284
Remember they don't really need a military anymore they killed all the faggots, feminists, niggers, and college professors. It's not like they have to worry about expansionist regimes in China, Japan, and Russia since fags and women were the real enemy of freedom. Are you some sort of TV watching sodomite anon?
>>30613117
hypothetically what if these feminazi fap fantasies of lind we strong independant women who went into the stem field and actually made a 1000megaton nuclear bomb from the plutonium in what amounts to the entire US nuclear arsenal, but due to the fact that they're whimmen they forgot about the 2/3 rule regarding nuke scaling?
california would be fucked, but besides radioactive dust where are you coming to the conclusion that it would cause a continent wide series of extinctions?
also what "would" happen if you nuked a single spot with ~2000 nukes? would they merge explosions into one gargantuan super nuke with a terrible yield to weight ratio or just all explode the same thing?
>>30614373
Eh, you excommunicate a few million Catholics, you just make a few million new types of protestants.
>>30614355
Well, I was going for "machine shops don't exist any more"
So unless Lind wants to fill his army with mission type POGs that have to be trained to use a fucking wrench, that's not going to work.
I keep thinking Lind has reached peak insanity but somehow he keeps going.
>>30614404
If the world is regressing back to what they were far in the past, would this mean the Papal State is coming back?
Or would Italy seize the moment and hoist the banners of the legions once more?
>>30614420
Nah. With the exception of Russia everyone's looking towards the US and going "what the fuck" too much to cause any trouble.
>>30614333
>“There’s money in these parts now, Ire, for the first time in almost a century. We’re making things people want to buy, people in foreign parts. I assume you've seen the sheep all over the hills. And the expansion of the tannery, and the potato chip plant, and the wagon works and soon, with the new electric power, a Nestlé’s cannery. It’ll be Swiss money putting that up.”
Lind has as poor an understanding of economics as he does of any given subject.
>“So what can I do for Hartland, John?” I asked. “I hope nobody is planning to attack it.”
Get ready for the devilish foe
>“Well, Ire, they are in fact. In a manner of speaking, anyway. Now that cars, short-range ones anyway, are making a comeback, a fellow wants to re-start all the ugliness cars brought with them. He wants to put in a strip mall along the road between Hartland and Pittsfield. Not only do those things look like hell, they suck the life out of towns. I don’t want to see our towns die a second time, so I and a few other folks are going to fight it. I was hoping you might join us.”
Fucking strip malls, a greater evil than the college professors they all killed
>“Retroculture isn’t about clothes, Ire. Period clothing is just an outward symbol some of us use to witness quietly to our beliefs. Retroculture is in part about what things look like, because ugliness breeds ugly behavior. Why do you think the cultural Marxists in the old U.S.A. so avidly promoted ugly architecture, ugly art, and ugly music? They understood that ugliness is a weapon. For us, beauty is also a weapon. Don’t you see any difference between a harmonious, traditional New England town and a plastic strip mall?”
I like traditional architecture more than the average person, but I have a feeling this will go nowhere good
End Chapter 46
>>30614355
Or down grade to Gatling guns on covered wagons. I have it on good authority that one confederate Calvary man with mission type orders destroyed a decadent federal company once.
>>30614405
>Well, I was going for "machine shops don't exist any more"
They'd still exist, people would just be milling out tracks with crank drills like it's the fucking New Yankee Workshop
>>30614420
>the gladius and maniple formations are a meme. The phalanaxs and spears of our grandfather's were the peak of warfare. Stop thinking so third generationally
>>30614438
>Strip mall are the new enemy.
I can't wait to see what war crimes are committed to stop this threat.
>>30614472
Spoiler: sadly not
>>30614438
>Period clothing is just an outward symbol some of us use to witness quietly to our beliefs.
>quietly
Something tells me they'd be Vegan Crossfit Atheist levels of "quiet" about their beliefs.
>>30614496
this is LITERALLY fedora: the lifestyle, after all
>old America shaming conservatives for not accepting cultural Marxist narratives = bad
>new Vickies giving anyone who wants modern technology an Amish-style shunning = good
>>30614472
>We constructed a Georgian town hall out of the bones of the Brutalists and Post Modern swine
>>30614520
>Marxist narratives
imagine how valuable Northern Confederation RARE FLAGs would be on 2060s /pol/
>>30614496
Given the way they treat people who drive cars or want an internet connection.
>>30614472
Buddy, think about it. The enemy here is cars.
Now is the time for some
LIGHT
GODDAMN
RAILS
Chapter 46: Voodoo Economics
>Year by year, more turbines came on line in the great dam across the Bay of Fundy, the most massive engineering work in human history, surpassing even the pyramids and China’s Great Wall. By the time it was all up and running in the year 2057, we had almost triple the total energy available to the same region at the height of the American republic. It was clean power. And it was cheap.
I know they made some cool monuments back in the Roman days, but I would think they lost all the institutional knowledge to do so
>The combination of peace and inexpensive, abundant energy created a boom gaffers and gammers compared to America in the 1950s. As in the 1950s, the growth was real. Our boom was based not on corporate mergers and downsizing and exporting jobs to Third World hell-holes, but on making things.
Translation: Victoria became a sweatshop
>All over the country, in cities and towns and villages, small factories sprang up. Some were high tech. We now lead the world in cold fusion applications, airship design, and wireless power transmission. In fact, we’ve created a whole new branch of electronics by developing the long-neglected ideas of Nicola Tesla.
I think we may have reached peak Fedora.
>My department is one of the beneficiaries. Our Navy’s zeppelins carry one device that will fry the electronic circuits of any enemy plane or ship within fifty miles, and another that will explode their on-board ordnance.
This would be cool if Lind weren't writing it. And if it was anything more than a throwaway infodump.
>>30614443
what a coincidence, the Tsar has some tachankas in storage...
>>30614563
>any enemy plane or ship within fifty miles, and another that will explode their on-board ordnance.
So in other words, absolutely useless since fifty miles is nothing?
>>30614563
>Our Navy’s zeppelins carry one device that will fry the electronic circuits of any enemy plane or ship within fifty miles, and another that will explode their on-board ordnance.
Wait a second isn't this high tech? Can a trireme defeat this fourth generationally?
>>30614388
The assumption is that the detonation is underground, so fallout and particulate injection are major issues.
Nukemap has trouble with massive yields lkke that so its results here are not accurate.
>>30614563
>shun all who use computers
>cold fusion
watttttttttttttttttttttttttt
>>30614549
If I had the skills I'd make some fake Lindland patch designs:
-C.O.R.N.
-Christian Marines
-Numero Uno Division
-Northern Confederation General Staff
>>30614597
>Fishing Boats with roman candles, just like grandpa used to make
>>30614563
>cold fusion applications
You made that up to enrage me.
>>30614597
>Neo-Roman Empire using da Vinci's aerial screws manned by fuckers with Beretta shotguns taking out Victorian zeppelins
>>30614563
this seems highly improbable
>>30614563
>We now lead the world in cold fusion applications
I'm running out of reaction images here, guys.
>>30614563
>But most of our success lay in making improved versions of simple, old fashioned things: Retro-technology. Contrary to the Tofflers and other 20th century prophets, the world did not go high tech. The New World Disorder moved life in the opposite direction. What people needed were simple, useful technologies that could function under primitive, isolated, often chaotic conditions. In most of the world, the only use for a computer was as an anchor for a wooden-hulled, rowed fishing boat.
The rest of the world is in the shitter too
>The Alco works in Schenectady, New York was our first big Retro-technology success. Drawing on the work of the brilliant Argentine steam engineer Livio Dante Porta, Alco designed and built steam locomotives that rivaled diesels in efficiency, yet could be maintained by a jungle machine shop. By the year 2047, Alco was the biggest locomotive builder in the world, exporting a thousand engines a year.
Heaven forbid anything bad happen to Victoria
>Some people worried that reindustrialization would again depopulate the countryside. That didn’t happen. Thanks to our ever-growing railway network, there was little reason to concentrate industry. Labor cost more in cities, because most people didn’t want to live there. And most of our industries were small; with the strangling net of government regulation gone, anyone with an idea could simply set up shop. Yankees had never been short on ideas.
I'm a fan of the free market, but Lind takes it to such a retarded extreme
>>30614563
>We now lead the world in cold fusion applications
SHENANIGANS!
>>30614612
I promise you that I am not kidding
>>30614643
What do they even need electricity for?
They don't have TVs, computers, air conditioners, etc. They don't need Cold Fusion or the biggest hydro dam ever built if the only thing they need power for are lightbulbs (incandescent I'm sure- none of those marxist florescent or LEDs) and ceiling fans.
Are you even allowed to have a refrigerator, wash machine, dryer, or dishwasher in Lind world?
>>30614563
>We now lead the world in cold fusion applications, airship design, and wireless power transmission. In fact, we’ve created a whole new branch of electronics by developing the long-neglected ideas of Nicola Tesla.
First of all, what happened to keeping yourself in the past?
Second of all, pic related
>>30614603
Wouldn't a concentrated yield that high reach a sufficient temperature to ignite the atmosphere? I wonder how far that would get before dropping below the autoignition temperature of air.
>>30614698
>4GW Handbook and On War
I'm interested if they have any more bullshit Lindisms.
>>30614630
That could be the dustjacket quote for this book
>>30614710
>Are you even allowed to have a refrigerator, wash machine, dryer, or dishwasher in Lind world?
Home refrigerators existed in some form by the 1930s
as for the rest, yes, you're allowed to have a wife
>>30614671
>Some people worried that reindustrialization would again depopulate the countryside.
He does realize that the Victorian era happened decades after industrialization right? That mega cities full of factories belching smoke into the air with thousands herded into tenements existed in this perfect era he idolizes?
>>30614710
Yes. You're allowed to have TVs and internet too, but the mob culture of Victoria will treat you like shit.
>>30614698
>4GW Handbook
Dude guerrilla war lmao
>>30614609
I absolutely support this.
>>30614603
it'd be over 500 meters underground if they repurposed a bunker to build this retarded thing. aren't underground tests much safer than water or airburst?
California is just straight fucked, even if the detonation wouldn't be indeterminately bigger than the normal scaling laws, but how would it be any different than a full scale nuclear conflict, only more localized without a continent's worth of radioactive zones being carried on the wind? This bomb would be twice the size of the total kilotons tested on earth, but outside it's thermal radiation radius what would actually be affected that wasn't down wind?
>>30614698
I thought the culling of the professors would always stand as the most insane bullshit in the book. But Lind surprises again. I'm glad we're going out on a high note.
>>30614760
I'd buy a CORN and Numero Uno Division patch.
>>30614748
Shhhhhh, don't introduce logic or actual history into it, that would break the fragile bonds of Lindsanity.
That's our new word for the week: Lindsanity.
>>30614777
Northern Confederation General Staff patch should be something involving a pipe and a fedora, with the motto "Logistik Verboten!"
>>30614744
>as for the rest, yes, you're allowed to have a wife
>>30614834
It should be a fedora/pickelhaube fusion hat.
>>30614671
>More important, farm incomes continued to rise, to the point where a farm of a couple of hundred acres offered a comfortable, even a prosperous living. The rest of the world was a hungry place, and some of its hungry people could afford to pay well for food. Though our manufactured exports rose steadily, our overseas trade in farm products remained our main source of foreign exchange. Between the two, we built up our gold reserves and with them our money supply, to the point where by 2048 the standard interest rate in the Northern Confederation was a historically low three percent.
Sounds like mass starvation and war depopulated the Northern Confederation
>Returning prosperity was necessary for the Recovery, but prosperity was not itself the Recovery. Mere prosperity could easily have degenerated into another consumer economy where people poured their wealth into useless, time-wasting, mind-deadening gadgets that quickly broke or were made obsolete by yet another, more expensive gadget they “had to have.”
I'm a fan of the old and reliable with a touch of craftsmanship, but I'm sure there's a happy medium where aren't nuking cities and returning to horse and buggy.
At this point, people start tearing up suburbs to turn them into pastures.
>Those who still worked in cities lived near downtown along the trolley line, just where their great-grandparents did.
I do feel like a post-apocalyptic society (as opposed to Mad Max anarchy) would return to something like this.
>But the spirit of Retroculture soon took over. In the cities, the cold, slab-sided International-Style buildings, created by the Marxists of the Bauhaus to be alienating, came crashing down... Everywhere, in an orgy of ordered destruction, we trashed the trash and restored the landscape and the streetscape. To us Tolkien fans, it was the Scouring of the Shire, only in reverse.
Ree! Stop bringing Tolkien into your genocidal regime!
>>30614729
>dustjacket
>"REEEEEE" - /k/, 2016
>>30614834
MISSON
TYPE
ORDERS
>>30614777
There's a lot one could do. For instance, we know what the Aztec pirate flag looks like.
I'm sure someone could come up with a Dykes on Bikes logo.
>>30614777
>>30614609
I kinda hope it would be our heroic Numero Uno Division, with "Terrible Swift Sword" incorporated into the patch
>>30614744
My fucking sides
>>30614874
Dykes on Bikes is an actual thing though.
>>30614364
>implying lind didn't fuck up installing his modem and isn't using AOL free 24 hour CDs on his evil windows95 IBM computer
>>30614772
Because 1000 megatons in one place is a totally different deal that 1000 megatons in 100 different places.
If you would like a more in depth answer you can email me at [email protected] or wait until the next nuclear weapon thread.
This is billy's thread about a mental patient who wrote a internet fanfiction about Prussia and the 1890s and no offense, but I dont want to detract from his contribution.
>30611680
>>There were a few hold-outs, of course, women so poisoned by feminism that they could not let go of it even after its failure was evident. We quietly rounded them up and sold them into the slave market at Aden. Muslim husbands would be good for them.
It's against christian morals to rape captives or have sex out of wedlock but totally fine to sell women as sex slaves because of their beliefs? So Jesus forgives all, except when he doesn't? What in the actual fuck?
>>30614926
Well, yes, but as an Azanian military unit.
>>30614965
No, see, it's against _Christian_ morals to rape captives and do all that shit. That's why you keep a Muslim rape gang around in case of emergencies.
>>30614885
Top text would be "NUMERO UNO"
Bottom text would be "TERRIBLE SWIFT SWORD"
Image would be Ice Cube in his NWA days.
>>30614965
I'm sure Lind would argue that forgiveness requires repentance, and that these were the unrepentant feminists.
So, you know, they deserve to be sold into slavery.
>>30613220
LIGHT
RAIL
ENTHUSIAST
>>30614862
>The Scouring continued up into the 2040s. The wreckage of half a century takes some clearing. But by the mid '30s, we were also starting to build. Here Retroculture gained its first universal acceptance. Retro or not, virtually everyone wanted to go back, back to the City Beautiful movement that had grown out of the Columbian Exposition of 1893, back to the Greek Revival or Victorian town, back to the old-fashioned New England or Pennsylvania Dutch farmhouse.
t b h, I could be down for this sort of urban development. inb4 a billion fedoras
>As in many things, Maine came out ahead, because Maine had always been behind. Beyond the usual detritus of strip malls and shopping centers, we didn’t have to demolish much. Portland had been heavily into architectural preservation and restoration by the 1980s, and our few other cities mostly needed fixing up: the old buildings still stood. That was true even of small towns like Hartland. Poverty, the great preserver, had kept out the late 20th century crap. So the Scouring didn’t take much work on our part, though I did join Bill Kraft when he went down to Boston for the demolition of the John Hancock building, I.M. Pei's turd in Beantown's punchbowl. It was a grand festive occasion. Today, the tallest structure in Boston is once again the steeple of Old North Church.
Anyone else getting vibes of the Khmer Rouge?
>It wasn’t only in architecture that the Recovery was a recovery of the beautiful. Even more important was what happened in the culture. It was amazing how quickly and completely both the old pop culture and elite culture—rock music, soap operas, tabloids, obscene “art,” Pinter’s plays, atonal music, Dadaism in all its forms—simply vanished.
And some jackasses with internet connections innawoods watching porn, listening to rock music, and driving fast cars. They would mark the beginnings of a revolt that would destroy the Kraftian regime.
>>30614995
NORTHERN CONFEDERACY
LIGHT
RAIL
ENTHUSIASTS
>>30614859
so a boiled leather fedora with a detachable top spike and chinstrap?
pretty much in the shape of a hardee hat
>>30615019
>soap opera
What the fuck? What does he have against them? Unless they were too complicated for his brain to follow?
>>30615017
I would wear a shield-shaped patch with "LIGHT RAIL ENTHUSIAST" on the top and a Picklehaube in the middle.
Same would go for "MISSION TYPE TACTICS"
>>30615019
>Anyone else getting vibes of the Khmer Rouge?
Way back when they shot a college professor for chanting while Kraft was talking.
>>30615063
Takes women away from their duties.
>>30614965
Rumsford has been complicit in the torture of prisoners, the mass murder of unarmed intellectuals and personally nuked a civilian target which was apparently neither defended nor in a state of war
a little sex slavery is par for the course
>>30615019
>We should not have been surprised. That culture was merely the vaporings of a bored, self-destructive people, a people that had lost touch with reality. We were that people no longer.
>a people that had lost touch with reality.
>We were that people no longer.
Sure you aren't
>Choral singing became one of the rites of passage of youth in the Northern Confederation, and remains so today. With Dr. Faust dead and buried, once we find something we like, we stick with it. While the Victorian repertoire remains popular, new composers soon began to write in the Victorian style. One of the byproducts of that movement was a quire of splendid new hymns, many so stirring you’d think the tunes came from Sir Arthur Sullivan himself.
>The return of 19th century choral music as popular music reestablished a long-lost connection, the tie between high culture and popular culture. The two were never identical, but in culturally healthy times, each had been influenced by the other. Now, in the 2040s, people began reaching beyond choirs to orchestras and the music that went with them: Mozart and Haydn, Mendelssohn and Brahms (and regrettably, Wagner, who to me always suggests elephants farting). Mahler marks the cutoff; after him it’s merely an assault on your ears.
>Here too people wanted to play, not just listen. As in the German-speaking countries, every respectable town now has its own orchestra. Even Hartland, a town with just two main streets, has a chamber group. Soon enough, the people in those little, local orchestras wanted something new, but not too new.
Victorian pop culture, everyone
>>30615090
It's amusing that the protagonists of this book, under their own belief system, can look forward to an eternity of torment in exchange for getting to build a life-sized model railroad and cosplay as Victorians for a few years.
>>30615110
>You may write music in this one genre
>because it is what I like
Time to fire up the Behemoth to feel smug.
I dont even want to take their society down anymore. All i want to do is floor it through these ultra-conservative hellholes blasting classic rock.
>>30614333
>New England
>we’ve always been able to tell a loon from an owl.
I live here. No you don't.
>>30615138
Same but with jazz music.
>>30615138
I feel the same way, but with GWAR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxG3WcDGyoU
>>30615147
You're plainly not a true Scotsman. Erm, I mean Yankee.
>>30615019
I'm drawing ironic parallels to ISIL destroying babylonian and sumerian cultural sights.
this guy is literally a unchecked sociopath furiously masterbating to the idea of combat airships, tesla's infinite energy machine, murdering all the fags, and teaching feminists to wear dresses in a basement somewhere.
in his perfect utopia he literally never meets a white male who has a different opinion than him and doesn't go into convulsions at the sight of a mixed race child. IRL besides never gaining any form of power unlike his self insert character, so many people would respond to the forming a deseret style amish community where everyone has to work on communal farms for script currency with rifle fire.
>>30613994
as a proud owner of a Lamy 2000 and a Pilot Vanishing Point, i am irritated that i have anything in common with Lind. though they are comfy and you get to play with new inks.
also he bombed California and mocked their direct democracy, yet his direct democracy is better because it has a fat delusional Prussian cosplayer at its head?
>>30615110
Of fucking course jazz or bluegrass wouldn't be one of the big comeback hits.
>>30615138
If they can cosplay Victorians I can cosplay a greaser and blow their minds with my motorcycle and Chuck Berry and leather jacket and pool sharking.
>>30615196
>Implying billiards isn't a degenerate, un-CHRISTIAN game
>>30615196
Can my chromed hot rod and my Temptations records join your gang anon?
>>30615110
>The light bulb soon went on for the artists. The Boston Museum of Fine Arts assembled a stunning collection of Winslow Homers, displayed them in a train of railroad cars and sent the train around the country. It made a special point of stopping for a day in small, rural towns. Farmers left their plowing and blacksmiths their forges to come and view. Today, it’s routine for young ladies to paint and young men to draw, and average people decorate their homes with original artworks, good ones, painted by family, neighbors, or friends. Abstractionism is dead. I last saw a de Kooning at a gallery when the owner was repainting a room. It was in service as a drop cloth, which was also how it started.
I'm a fan of 19th century realism, but this a little much. My big problem is that it's basically enforced by the state.
>Another Lazarus was the Christian novel. Of course, some people had continued to write and read Christian novels. Those of the self-diminutive Inklings, Dorothy Sayers in particular, had even retained a certain popularity. A few new writers quietly followed their path; Sally Wright was one with her Publish & Perish and Pride & Predator, Russell Kirk another. Kirk did it while bearing virtually unaided the corpus of Western culture through the blighted 1960s, '70s, and '80s. A large and flattering statue of him now stands proudly in Harvard Yard, and students doff their caps when they pass by.
I'm glad we know who Lind's favorite author (besides Martin van Creveld and John Boyd) is.
>But the mainstream of American literature had flowed with the rest of the culture to the sewer, the cloaca maxima that was prurience mislabeled “art.” That made it easy for people with little talent and no skills to become “artists”... So people stopped reading literature or much else and watched television instead, to the infinite amusement of Hell.
I'm surprised there wasn't a little scene where they burned Stephanie Meyer at the stake
>>30615110
>because the industrial revolution commoner class wasn't listening to vulgar drinking songs as effeminate sodomite ponses listened to orchestras.
for being so anti gay, his alter ego character sure likes to play dressup.
>>30615196
>pool sharking
Oh yes we've got trouble, right here in Linder City...
>>30615196
>Chuck Berry
>Not getting in your good ol' UH-1 with a few TRUE AMERICANS and out operating the local militia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub0XS8OZGB8
>>30614333
i thought they outlawed lawyers and made you represent yourself.
>>30615245
Are you expecting consistency from Lind?
Pirate radio greentext when?
>>30615211
Aces, man, just aces. Need to get yourself a pair Levi 501s too.
>>30615223
This whole section sounds familiar. Pic related.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_realism
>>30615223
>So people stopped reading literature
Because high literature is boring. I'd rather read about Dirk Pitt punching Eskimos in the face than trudge through War and Peace.
Also, obligatory "there were shit books ever since the invention of the printing press. They just aren't remembered because they're shit."
>>30614563
>All dat clean energy
BUT YOU'RE FUCKING AMISH NOW, YOU DONT USE IT
>Cold Fusion!
How will the next generations learn how to utilize it or maintain the shit that makes it if all anyone does is work on a farm, work in a sweatshop, fish, or drive trains?
"Hey Jerry, you gonna go to university now that you've graduated from your one room highschool where they didnt teach you biology, sex ed, or evolution?"
"Nah, gotta take care of they family horses"
>>30615267
You got it boss, feel free to take a dip of my Brylcreem anytime.
>>30615300
A little dab'll do ya
>>30615190
My Laban Maya with Noodler Zhivago is my daily driver. I have some Chinese Sheaffer knockoffs which are okay. I don't like them as much because they're messy to refill. The aerometric filler works fine, but you have to dip it in to such a depth that you get ink on the grip and on your fingers. I used to write with my Lamy Safari a lot, but I've found that enjoy pens with more heft to them and I find them more difficult to lose.
I kinda want a Baoer
>>30615300
>What you rebelling against, Johnny?
>What mission-type orders you got?
>>30615166
You got me. Just a transplanted angelino.
Still, they haven't figured me out yet...
>>30615300
>mfw i use brylcreem after these threads
it works perfect for a normal side part haircut
Look on the bright side. When all of this shit falls apart, the revolution literally will not be televised.
>>30615366
Nor will anyone know of the death camps, outside of a few rumors that can easily be quashed.
>>30615389
The Tzar, who is a wonderful man with a tremendous sense of humor, will probably help with that.
>>30615235
>not being a real american
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCGoA-dZBzo
I want to human hunt prussian cosplayers after sitting through 7 of these threads
>>30615223
>>And lo and behold, it turned out there were people who could write them. The literary revival began in the Confederacy. The last great American novelist, Walker Percy, was a man of the South; his Love in the Ruins, published in the 1970s, offered the first clear look at where the country ended.
Ree, gentleman, ree. Why did Lind have to be a fan of Walker Percy too? For the anons out there who haven't heard of him, The Moviegoer is a great book and great intro to Percy.
>In 2037, a new publishing house was founded in Baltimore, The Mencken Press. True to old H.L.'s name, it sought out new writers of merit, encouraged them, edited them strenuously, and by the mid-2040s deployed a stable of fine Christian authors.
[muffled 'Rees' in the distance]
>The revival of literature, music, and art and the recovery of beauty, a great and glorious part of the Recovery, put a bullet through the head of the cultural despair that had infected the nation. No longer did we wallow in endless self-pity, alienation and anomie. No more did we celebrate the deformed, degraded, and degenerate. Bad news was no longer good news.
I can't wait for the greaser rebellion.
>Along with everyone else, I immersed myself in the pleasure of a normal life. That was something none of us had known, except those old enough to remember the 1950s. They enjoyed it all the more, because it represented what they had always been told was impossible: the recovery of something that had been lost. It didn’t hurt that when they started the kind of story old folks all love to tell, beginning with “I remember when…” young people wanted to hear it.
Or else you will get rocks thrown through your windows, your livestock stolen, etc
>>30615330
wtf is mission type orders?
>>30615366
Also think if the cute little farm girls you can corrupt with your drinking and provocative dancing.
>>30615430
Mission type orders are an ingenious way for Lind to write a book following a General officer of a major rebellion, without having to actually plan or take responsibility to actually commanding troops.
>>30615442
Careful with that thought. In Lindland, Footloose ended with a lynching.
>>30615430
Mission-type orders are a kind of order passed from commander to subordinate stating that the subordinate needs to complete a goal, but the method of completing the goal is up to the subordinate.
>>30615429
>It didn’t hurt that when they started the kind of story old folks all love to tell, beginning with “I remember when…” young people wanted to hear it.
Nobody wants to hear that shit unless it was that one time you burned your and all your brothers eyebrows off at once.
Gasoline is dangerous, kids.
>>30615110
>>30615223
>>30615429
You know, out of everything that has happened in this """""""novel""""""", these passages have made the most angry and disgusted. This man wants to kill artistic expression.
I pitied this man earlier, now I just hate him.
>>30615429
>Force everyone to conform to a single school of thought from hundred plus years ago and never push the boundaries.
>This somehow revitalizes art.
I get the impression Lind doesn't like art. He likes being told he was right with no understanding of what makes things interesting or inventive or even the simple mechanics of writing.
The idea of rolling art galleries is pretty cool tho
>>30615429
>Maria and I were together from planting through harvest and over the holidays in the winter. Time and practice had given us the rarest of relationships, the kind without friction. We loved each other deeply. But our love expressed itself not in passion but in consideration. Each knew what the other liked and disliked, and was careful to do the first and avoid the second. In short, it was Christian love, which is not what you feel but what you do.
This would be charming if Lind had shown rather than told. And if Rumford weren't a fairly despicable war criminal.
>For a while, I did wonder whether Maria was as satisfied with our arrangement as I was. So one fine July evening in the year 2045, as we sat out front on the half-log bench and watched the sun go down over the ponds, each mimicking its fade from orange to purple to black, I asked her to marry me.
>She replied with her kind, frequent and slightly sad smile, the sort proffered by Botticelli Madonnas. “Thank you, Señor John. I am honored that you would ask me. But I have learned the lesson of our people. When you are happy, be content. Do not seek for more. I hope you will allow me to remain Mrs. Hudson.” Of course, I did.
>The Faustian dance was over, in small things as in great.
This is why you actually develop characters, so scenes like this can be impactful. Instead, I found myself unmoved and yawning; and I doubt most /k/ommandos feel differently.
End Chapter 46
>>30613657
What perhaps drives me to hysterics is the sheer inconsistency of it all. There's no rhyme or reason save for one grumpy idiot's erratic anti-modernist whims.
Microphones existed in the 1930's, so why shouldn't a "retro" politician use one? Just what fucking decade are we supposed to be regressing to? The 1930's? 1910? The 1890's? And if only technology is verbotten, why does it matter what people wear?
>>30615429
>It didn’t hurt that when they started the kind of story old folks all love to tell, beginning with “I remember when…” young people wanted to hear it.
"I remember when back in the day, we had this great network of computers! Spanning around the world! Why, we could talk to anyone, about anything!"
"That's ridiculous, grandpa!"
"Yeah, you're making this up!"
"No, no, it's all quite real! Back then we used electricity for more than Air Conditioning and Refridgerators. We could play games and even share pictures of dirty women!"
"Ewwwww! Why would you want to do that, grandpa?"
"Because back then fifteen year olds playing 'house' and 'doctor' didn't have outlets for the inevitable like shotgun weddings, or the entire midwest to repopulate."
"Repopulate? But I thought the Midwest was always full of Nazis and CORN!"
"Ah, my sweet summer child..."
Yeah, I can see why grandpa stories would get more interesting.
>>30615520
What makes me most angry is that animation is verylikely verboten in this hellhole he calls a utopia.
Fuck you Lind, you'd deprive me of the only career path I've ever considered seriously.
Chapter 47: Ding Dong, The Witch Is Dead
>On November 23, 2053, N.C. Naval Zeppelin L-370, while patrolling the western Mediterranean against the usual Algerian pirates, was caught in a sudden squall at the same time she was experiencing engine trouble. The huge airship was blown onto the North African shore, where most of her crew had the misfortune to survive the crash.
And we care why?
>They were captured, brought to Algiers, and in a public ceremony before a vast crowd, offered the usual choice between the Koran or the sword. The sword was a metaphor. When, to a man, they chose Jesus Christ over the Prophet, they were crucified. Some took three days to die of exposure, thirst, and asphyxiation.
I thought you were chummy now, what with the highly lucrative trade of Azanian sex slaves
>The key to these affairs was always the same: find someone on the other side who would like to become the local Grand Wazoo in place of whatever raghead held that dignity at the moment. By the time our small task force reached the Med, a revolt had broken out in Algiers. We quickly hooked up with the rebels. The government forces made the mistake of coming out of the city to fight, which made the job easy. While the rebels grabbed them by the nose, two N.C. Marine regiments hooked into their rear and rolled them up from behind. It was over in the course of an afternoon.
>Our portion of the booty was the leaders who had ordered the crucifixion of the men from L-370. We put them aboard another airship, positioned it precisely over the public square where our boys died, and pushed them out the door, one by one, at an altitude of 1000 feet. Observers on the ground reported that each landed with a satisfying splat. The new government made the usual Algerian peace and promised not to attack N.C. ships or citizens. They didn’t mean it, of course, but they’d leave us alone for a while.
It's amazing how Lind can make a daring raid so incredibly boring
>>30615571
Not just animation, tv and movies in general.
Though it's not outlawed, just looked down upon and scorned by the greater community. So you'd be this awesome, outlaw animator, producing animation for an underground audience.
>>30615640
You know, some writefaggotry about renegade artists doing the things Lind REEEES about would be pretty interesting.
I might get on that in a while.
>>30615624
>We put them aboard another airship, positioned it precisely over the public square where our boys died, and pushed them out the door, one by one, at an altitude of 1000 feet.
Is a thousand feet high enough to even get to terminal velocity?
