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This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.
What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished? You know the drill.
Koikake stutters every time it tries to load UI elements (submenu, options, even the tooltips). Is this a common problem or just something on my end?
>>15381003
I had no such issues when I was playing it.
>>15381003
Some games have trouble vsyncing, try disabling the compositor if you have it enabled or enabling it if you have it disabled (Aero in Windows 7, or whatever it's called in Win 8+)
I messed around with both the sync option and the compositor but it didn't work. After reinstalling the game the system menu still have stutters (in particular, when changing the Right-click behavior, the previous tick box takes a while to disappear, and the audio sliders have a very obvious delay to them), but loads are faster and the submenu no longer makes the game halt, so it's playable now
So what are the chances of Baldr Heart and Sen no Hatou getting delayed?
2016 seems to be the year of delays, after all.
Got the 俺たちに翼はない soundtrack from baidu.
It was a bitch to get because you had to constantly fill in captcha even with jdownloader.
Since it's pretty much impossible to get from torrents and saw people here wanting it a few time I though I'd share it.
https://mega.nz/#!bVhwkAjI!u2QMyg_CRsa1fcY8FiKJwTZHffOMcmQJ_QLV6xTcTEk
Format is weird. Had to get a tak plugin for foobar to get it to play.
>>15381955
Every single year is the year of delays.
>>15381955
Sen no hatou will probably make it for september.
Baldr heart on the other hand is definitely getting delayed though, I have no doubt.
>>15382008
I'll laugh if all high profile games of july get delayed and the month becomes completely void of interesting new eroge.
>>15381955
>>15382008
Yeah, Sen no Hatou was announced long ago and August let people wait long enough.
>>15382025
What games does july have anyway?
>>15382045
The biggest are probably:
Baldr Heart (Giga)
Floral Flowlove (Saga Planets)
Amatsutsumi (Purple)
Senren Banka (Yuzusoft)
Then maybe Chuuni Hime no Teikoku, which is by a new company, but seems to have the right staff to do something good enough. Seems to be a decent amount of people from Pulltop, including two of the writers. (another one did France Shoujo)
So yeah, mostly moege month. Though the purple title is probably a little different and Baldr is obviously.. Baldr.
>>15382113
>the purple title is probably a little different
It seems to be a somewhat porn-heavy moege with some excuse of a plot to make up for chrono clock from what I read.
I could be wrong though.
>>15382008
What do you even base this on?
They almost completely reused the system from Sky, which probably made the development time shorter. They also seem to have the release date set in stone and advertised everywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IazpFBFRvl8
>>15382113
>(another one did France Shoujo)
Wait, it has Marutani? He also did one half of Kanishino.
>>15382120
>moege
Look into it further, or rather look into it for real, it's more of a scenarioge. 言霊 is an important theme for it, that's Japanese mythology. Seems like now is the year of Japanese mythology (and overall 和風) with SenMomo, Amatsutsumi, Senren Banka, Haruru Minamo ni...
>>15382149
>They also seem to have the release date set in stone and advertised everywhere.
That means little. Before Liber_7 was delayed 5 months, I could see several ads over Akihabara proclaiming its May release date. Normally such ads have "発売予定" on them, and then perhaps they get plastered with マスターアップ sticker when it's done.
>>15382217
http://ushimitsusoft.com/main.html
It's right there on the site. Three authors according to vndb, but yes, Marutani is definitely part of it, based on the official site.
>>15382228
i don't trust purplesoft in terms of story/plot. they have probably the most deceiving trial games, ever.
Sometimes I wonder how some eroge companies manage to stay afloat.
>>15383024
Because they masterpieces like Kamidori :^)
Do you play new game from AlCot Honey Comb? Hatsugamai. How are you with this game? Is it okay? Or not worth the time?
Still no release date for あきくる. Probably intentional delay because lol Autumn.
>>15383681
Flowers didn't do that. If they can just delay the game by half a year because "lol autumn".. well. Then again. Who knows. Maybe the delay is all meta and part of the narrative.. kurukurukuru...
>Meguru's VA voiced the Nene-lookalike instead of Murasame
I didn't ask for this Yuzusoft
Amatsutsumi doesn't seem to be a hard moege but going by the trial it surely has pointless porn
>reading Sakura no Uta
>starting to get used to the verbose style and Sca-ji's rambling about the name of every muscle in the human body
>suddenly sex scene
>she's holding a 30 minute monologue in front of my dick
God I just want to skip through the porn but I'm worried I'd miss some character development.
>curling waifus is english never ever
>>15385198
why are you quoting your image name
How much do you read in a day?
What was your longest marathon?
>>15385350
Usually about 8-10 hours, but I save pretty much all my reading for my days off.
Longest was probably about 20.
>>15385350
Two hours on average. I have other hobbies too.
I played Sakura no Uta for 18 hours straight one day.
>>15385350
Depends on how interesting the title is, anywhere from 1 hour to 16 hours a day.
Longest marathon was probably around 30 hours
>>15382113
Will Saga Planets ever make anything as good as HS ever again? Just read the Floral Flowlove synopsis and was thoroughly disappointed by how it sounded, but I suppose you can't judge a book by it's cover.
>>15385994
At least it looks like they changed the main scenario writer to Touta.
But the funny thing is, he is also doing some scenario work for Senren Banka.
Why are there barely any VNs with adult characters? Nukige don't count.
I don't care about some faggot 15 year old and his harem.
>>15386239
Because reading about old geezers is boring.
>>15386239
Because at that point you either try to come up with a good reason a bunch of 20-something OLs have never been in a relationship before, or cut out that huge chunk of the market who only wants to deal with pure virgins.
>>15386239
Japanese adult life is spent working 14 hours a day
>>15386259
Productive adult life everywhere is like that
>>15386239
It's not just VNs, you know.
It's the same with ranobe, anime and almost all other akiba-kei stuff.
Eroges are pretty much made for folks who somehow fucked up their life and want to relive their adolescence.
>>15386239
Adult characters don't sell for the price of a full-price eroge. That's it.
>>15386239
Play Damekoi if you haven't already. Or Kanishino if you're okay with a teacher protagonist. I can sort of understand why there's not many pure love eroge starring salarymen, but yeah, it's weird how even university student protagonists are pretty rare despite the core audience most likely being at least that old. My uneducated guess is that the industry is just too afraid to let go of the tried and true high school setting rather than the target audience outright demanding it, because it's not like you can't have pure or younger heroines despite the protagonist himself being an adult.
>>15386268
Except they're not productive and just stay late to look good
>>15386347
Teacher protagonists are not that rare if you look for it.
And there are quite a lot of university student or even older protagonists in lolige.
The main thing is that high-school setting usually makes you feel nostalgically along the lines of こんな青春送りたかった・・・.
With university students it doesn't work like that and a lot of regular eroge tropes would just feel completely out of place.
I want to play something with a thoughtful, down-to-earth, well-written romance. Not so much focused on silly comedy like moege tend to be, nor a total soap opera like WA2 or Key games (some comedy and some drama is fine of course), and little to no magic/fantasy/action stuff. Mainly just a touching romance story with strong character development for the couple(s).
Pretty vague, I know, but does anyone have any suggestions?
>>15386888
I'm reading koi de ha naku because of the last few threads, I'd definitely recommend it if you are looking for that.
人生通行止め's next purepure girl NTR'd by a ヤリチン fapgame looks like it's going to be pretty top-tier. Probably the best amatuer group doing nukige today, though their last title was a bit disappointing.
>>15387000
The reviews I read of that make it sound really drama-heavy which isn't exactly what I'm looking for. I appreciate the suggestion, though.
What are some of your favorite very short (2-10 hour) visual novels?
>>15386888
have you watched CLANNAD (+AS) or played the true route?
>>15386888
Just watch Korean Dramas for that shit, not like any of those are "well-written romances" either, but sounds like what you want.
>>15386888
Lovely Cation 2 brah, fits what you want down to a T
how long did it take you guys to reach a level of proficiency in reading japanese where you could enjoy untranslated VN's?
>>15388646
Most things - 2 years, no texthooker, just cruizin
Everything - i'll tell you when i get there
>>15388646
It took me around 3 years to be able to enjoy reading without any texthooker.
But complete fluency is entirely a different thing. I still need to google something new regularly even after more than 5 years of studying and reading.
>>15388646
Almost 2 years reading at my own pace, I don't really have any desire to reach complete fluency just being able to read eroge unimpeded is enough for me.
Oh man this is great, been a while since I've enjoyed a VN this much.
>>15388646
Minored in Japanese, 6 semesters of nip at a decent uni with a competent language program is honestly the best way to get fluent quickly in every aspect of the language, though the workload's a bitch and good professors are few and far between.
a year or two of self study, an hour or so everyday, would be more than enough to be able to read with a good texthooker. It's only when you want to speak or write that mastering the grammar becomes a kick in the ass.
Regardless if you study at a uni or by yourself, Kanji is always gonna be a bitch, my god its ridiculous.
>>15387469
I've read Clannad, yeah. After Story is the sort of thing I'm looking for, except without the over-the-top ~suffering~.
>>15388322
>Korean
>3DPD
No thank you.
>>15388612
Thanks. That's been in my backlog for a while, I guess I'll try it out.
>>15388754
Wait till you get to her sex scenes and he starts reusing that ノリ.
>>15388612
>>15388838
Isn't the cation series nukige cum moege? I thought they had like 10 H scenes per route
>>15389396
Every moege has a ton of h scenes per route. LxC (2, at least) has pretty good writing and a lot of focus on developing romance naturally as well as conversations on a variety of non-sex topics. Not really nukige cum moege, since sex while present isn't the "point", or otherwise only worthwhile aspect, of the game.
>>15389412
Except there's still an H scene every 15 minutes after the first one.
>>15389585
I found the H to be pretty well paced in the relationship. There's a line between no fucking and fucking nonstop, and that line is the line of "normal couple fucking" which is what LxC2 hits well.
Not to mention, if you don't like the H you can just skip it. Won't impact the story. That's something you'll just have to get used to doing if you don't like a lot of H scenes in moe games.
>>15389606
A major problem is when those H scenes are taking the place of other content, including hogging the majority of the art assets. If the writer is relying on the H scenes to strengthen the relationship, then the relationship will feel pretty weak if you don't give a shit about the H scenes.
>>15389617
You could say the same of every moe game... I honestly don't think there's a moe game you can't say that about.
Welp, this is the first time a heroine begged to stop sex because its too hurt.
>>15389635
in vanilla scene*
>>15389623
I noticed some of the Unison Shift titles I've played so far had a pretty good balance. Maybe too much on the light side H-wise for some.
>>15389657
That's certainly true, I read Leyline and it was certainly light on HCGs, but you could still say that the h scenes hogged art assets and progressed relationships through them.
>>15389672
Not nearly to the extent that the sort of ones that have 8-10~ H scenes per route, though. If there's stuff progressing the relationship outside of the H scenes, then I don't mind it too much, it's more the fact that most of the CGs are H CGs as a result that annoys me.
>>15389700
Sure, but it's still a problem just like in any moe eroge. I just mean to say there's not a lot of point in bringing it up considering it's just a fact of life.
>>15389767
It's only a problem if you hate sex. The fact they do it probably means most people like it, right?
>>15389777
Well, it's a "problem" in the sense that the abundance of H-scenes in eroge prettttty much never actually improve the narrative, and therefore one focusing on the narrative of an eroge (in this case the romantic narrative) will easily take issue with said narrative being weakened by excessive sex. I think it's a truth, perhaps sad perhaps not, that indeed most people play these EROge for the ERO and not the narrative, indeed the narrative is just a framework to deliver ero, so the narrative being weakened by excessive sex would not be a "problem" but rather "something fine and necessary", if it's even noticed at all in between the fap session.
In short: too much sex is a problem for >>15386888 because he wants "a thoughtful, down-to-earth, well-written romance" not a romance with a lot of sex".
>>15389801
I think you're creating a false dichotomy between people who play for ero and for narrative. Most people play for both, and will be disappointed by games with either a low number of sex scenes, or with poorly written, thoughtless writing. Hence the writers try and do both well.
>>15389853
Sanoba Witch.
You and me, /jp/, we may play for both. But Japaneses buyers, by and large, don't. They want ero. Just look at sales figures. Just look at there being far more ero centric games than narrative centric games. The attitude I always see prevalent bbspink is pleasant surprise towards a nice plot, but never a serious look at it, it's all about the ero.
For a recentish examples I liked how Wizard's Complex and World Election (one of the few things I actually liked about that actually) had only three or so H-scenes in the actual routes spaced out by about an hour or so, with more as unlockable after story type things once you actually finished the route.
Instead of cramming all the H-scenes in a 2 hour block and then a block of drama for to finish up the route as is more usual, it felt like a much better progression.
>>15389869
That would be true if most of their top VN listings are eroge which they don't and look up the sales for scenarioge and nukige and you'll see a huge gap in numbers in favor of the former. You're selling the Japanese audience short on this one.
>>15389915
>That would be true if most of their top VN listings are eroge
I meant nukige.
>>15389915
>>15389920
I consider the narrative of these games to be just as shitty as nukige, and additionally, the games selling better likely has to do with the girls looking better and the sex being better, and nothing else.
It's the Japanese audience that has created the current state of affairs and that state is of every game being jammed with ero and most games having pathetic narratives. Can't really sell them short, here.
>>15389939
>baww my gaijin superior taste isn't acknowledged and dirty jap otaku can't recognize true creme de la creme unless it has smut.
This is you.
>>15389948
I don't have gaijin superior taste, I'm playing the same games they do.
>>15389964
Your distorted opinions say otherwise.
>>15389969
Even if I personally enjoy something, if from an objective viewpoint some parts are poorly done, I will evaluate them as poorly done, and if, as the result of a full evaluation encompassing those parts, that work is "poorly done" or "a failed work" from an objective point of view, I feel no reluctance about admitting it to be such. However, even if it's "poorly done" or "a failed work", it doesn't change the fact that I like what I like. In short, I distinguish between "objective" and "subjective".
>>15389975
Jesus, you must love the sound of your keyboard while typing all that pretentious shit.
>>15389975
Give some examples of games you like then.
>inb4 In discussions like these, which I partake in often, I avoid shifting the topic to myself. Listing what I consider to be the best written eroge would not add anything to the discussion and instead would just lead to bickering about particular choices or ad hominen attacks rather than anything meaningful.
>>15390022
Lovely x Cation 2 for starters. Would a pretentious individual convinced of having superior gaijin taste play a game purely about dating and fucking high school girls? I don't think so.
>>15390033
But I play games purely about dating and fucking high school girls, and my taste is superior to everyone's.
>>15390073
>not MILFs
pleb
>>15390374
those are babby's first faps though
SEND HELP
>>15389801
>>15386888 here. I don't mind a lot of sex as long as the relationship is well-developed. There's nothing preventing you from having great characterization in between (or even during) the fucking; Maruto, for example, pulls that off very well.
>>15390685
Best girl
>>15389912
>Wizard's Complex and World Election
How were these by the way? I wanted to check out World Election because the setting seemed pretty cool.
I can't believe I never knew that Romeo wrote Humanity has Declined.
>>15390915
I can't believe you're using the translated title.
>>15390941
For whatever reason there's a select few works where I always use the translated title, and 人類は衰退しました is one of them. Couldn't tell you why.
>>15390915
Who else could write it?
>>15387434
Itaike na kanojo, which is probably around 10 hours if I remember correctly, maybe slightly shorter. It's actually very well-written with some good character development.
>>15390915
Never bothered with it, but if it's Romeo, then it's guaranteed kamige.
>>15391005
That was one of the very first games I played in Japanese. Some people might find it hard to read (due to the subject matter, not the language), but I have fond memories of it. I should reread it now that my Japanese isn't shit and see if it's as good as I remember it being.
>>15391022
Do you by any chance imply that Shoujo-tachi wa Kouya o Mezasu is a kamige?
>>15391038
Found Romeo's name, so yes.
>>15391045
Try it then. It's boring shit.
>>15391038
I hope you're not blaspheming against our Lord and Savior Romeo-heika-dono-sama by suggesting it isn't.
>>15391055
I hope Minato Soft will somehow survive this blow from the legendary ブランドクラッシャーロミオ.
>>15391030
Honoka is so sweet and adorable. It's hard not to fall in love with her. And the good end when the music starts to play... very good memories. I couldn't read the evil route, though.
>>15391132
I tried to go for the good end but I couldn't resist a few of the teasing choices so I got this shitty 中途半端 sort-of-good-but-not-really ending. I regret everything.
>>15390685
I remember this
.. and the fact that I promptly decided on protag-kun's name because I A M U N O T O N I I C H A N
>>15391022
Just like Kouya right
I'm thinking about giving ひぐらしのなく頃に粋 (Vita) a try, but I've already played 絆 (DS) years ago. The new content for me would be the higher resolution + 盥回し編、憑落し編、澪尽し編, which were exclusive to 祭。Has anyone played these?
>>15391375
Emulate 祭 instead?
>>15391594
The resolution is pretty low by today's standards, and I'd prefer if I could play it during my commute.
Anyone has a link to ps2 ver of Phantom?
>>15388655
>>15388714
>>15388745
>>15388785
Fuck me, I spent 10 years pretending to studying it and almost 1 year really studying it.
I am loterally an idiot and I still have troubles with は, word order and subclauses.
>>15391817
Don't be. I'm on your shoes right now. It's good you realize your mistake.
>>15390880
Wizard's Complex was decent enough. Decent pacing, good amount of flirting throughout. Some of the drama was pretty dumb though and it might just be me but the protagonist felt way too useless for the type of game it was and his "power" felt too inconsistent.
I couldn't really stand World Election. Despite having most of my favorite VAs as heroines whose archetype and designs I liked something about the writing just made it just not enoyable whatsoever. I had to force myself through the common route and the one route I finished. I'm also generally not a fan of Whirlpool though so.
>>15391935
>I couldn't really stand World Election.
100% the same
Downloaded to enjoy a generic moege, got a total pile of shit. Posterchild for the importance of good writing even in moege in my opinion, the writing is just that shitty.
I'm thinking about trying a trap game for the first time. Are there any good ones besides Tsuriotsu?
>>15392205
Tincle Twinkle Festival got some hype. Didn't play it myself
>>15392212
>Tincle Twinkle Festival
I remember that, "Your sister is a borderline abusive mary sue" the game. Its funny when it's not focusing on the stupid drama or the terrible girls.
>>15392205
it's not out yet but here's a trap game for you http://qualia.clearrave.co.jp/
>>15392260
The page design is so cute.
>>15392270
MC-kun is
.. well.
https://youtu.be/suPUzxgmQyQ
>>15392275
Cute. Too bad he doesn't get fucked.
>>15392293
check out the specials, they let you listen to trials
>>15392305
He gets fucked?
>>15392402
he masturbates
>>15392404
You got my hopes up for nothing.
>>15392406In someone else's bed
Ahh anon-kun, life is more than just about trap MC-kuns getting into femdom relationships
Who is your favorite Hoshiori girl if you've played it?
>>15392912
Rikka.
Best girl, best route, best everything, really.
>>15392912
Rikka is a close second
Is this the only place you guys talk about eroge?
>>15393164
I sometimes go to bbspink to see what they're saying about a particular game but the format of discussion (i.e. unique threads for different companies/gamies) is too obnoxious for me to spend a regular amount time there.
>>15393164
Tried 2ch but it's honestly worse than discussing eroge on /v/.
>>15392912
Depends on taste but Rikka was the best route for me. Granted I only did Marika, Natsuki and Rikka routes.
>>15392912
I havent gotten too far into the game yet but I like Yukimura so far so ill probably pick her.
I do hope her route will be fun.
>>15392912
Marika's dad.
>100 ways to get NTR'd: the game
Anyone played this yet? The opening and synopsis got my morbid curiosity.
>>15394261
Downloaded it for the same reasons as you (and because I like corruption/NTR) but got busy with other stuff and forgot about it.
Would be nice to know how long it is at least.
>>15392912
Rikka>Misa>Marika>Touko>Natsuki=Sora
>>15395297
>>15395297
Why is twintails and kyonyuu always the best combination?
>>15395318
It's not.
>>15395297
slut
>>15395318
>kyonyuu
If kyonyuu would be like that, I'd actually like it. Unfortunately.. it's not.
haha liking the game so far
>>15395401
Oh, isn't it that one that had big red warning about being disturbing storywise right on the web page?
『この世の果てで恋を唄う少女YU-NO』発売日が11月17日に決定！
>>15395318
Pretty much what >>15395385 said. That seems to be more average/reasonably sized compared to even the cowtits you get in a lot of moege. Probably a good example of what my upper limit is before it starts becoming unattractive.
>>15395463
>all ages
>>15395463
>>15395522
muh pixels
Thinking of picking up この大空に、翼をひろげて. Are the non-Konno Asta routes worth playing at all?
>>15395475
Cowtits are fine too every now and then.
>>15395619
Not if it fucks with the dress like that
One major problem with cowtits is that it's always accompanied with pants-on-head retarded clothing designs since nobody would notice they're there otherwise.
>>15395619
Yeah, exceptions do pop up, but I'd say 95% of the time it's a turnoff and makes the H scenes less fappable to me, and that picture in the other post is a good point where "any larger than that and it'll start to become unattractive in general for me".
>>15395522
The new art is just really off putting to me.
>>15395703
I haven't played Yuno yet but even I find the new art bad. Why is the original more detailed?
When consuming gay material do you insert as one of the girls?
>>15395726
In gay material, everybody is a boy. Yaoi is not otome.
>>15395729
Yuri exist you know
>>15395756
I figured he was mistakenly talking about otome because then it would make sense to ask if one inserts as the female protagonists.
>>15395769
I'm not a faggot, so I prefer to insert into the female.
>>15395961
I was trying to say that otome isn't "gay". They're aimed for women so it's still het. Though, in the end, it seems he wasn't talking about otome anyway,
>>15392912
Marika=Rikka>Misa>the rest
>>15395297
Best girl
Why
>>15396688
If they wanted to make a slut they should have went all the way with her.
>>15396688
Just look at those noses.
No one deserves to be harassed by Jewish salarymen, no matter what they've done.
>>15396688
How's the NTR?
>>15396688
Looks like someone just cropped her in there
So what were the big titles of 2015?
Currently grabbing Maggots.
>>15397559
SnU, obviously.
>>15397559
Houkago 3
>>15396156
Ye I was talking about yuri
>>15397559
Bansenjin
>>15397559
Evenicle
https://vndb.org/r46110
So it's actually true.
>>15397559
miagetegoran
>>15397939
What extra scenarios is it supposed to have? Madoka route finally?
>>15398466
proper gay route with CG of course
>>15398471
But how can he ever decide between Yuuki and Yuusuke?!
>>15398466
Show that cold bitch what a tiny penis can do.
>>15398514
Shrivel up in shame when she takes one look and laughs?
>>15398526
>look and laughs
Maria isn't capable of having such emotions, silly.
Regarding 大図書館, one of the plot points seem to be about holding a performance or something on a stage or some-such at a festival thing, though along the way I sort of spaced-out while reading and now I'm not sure what it is they're doing and why it's important, anyone mind telling me what's going on?
>>15398937
Shit anon, how did you miss something of that importance? More than spacing out, were you even reading at all?
>>15398948
Shit man I don't know, I thought the part about keeping their club room (and Kodatchi's future reading / tits) was the bigger deal, so the whole staging thing feels like it came outta nowhere, though I do get the gist of it I guess.
>>15398963
That's what you get for reading with machine assistance. Your own understanding isn't catching up.
Does anyone here use chink windows tablet to play eroge?
How do I take screenshot without keyboard?
>>15399083
virtual keyboard
>>15397441
There is none. It's from 下級生2 アナザーストーリー 【柴門たまき・lovers（ラバーズ）】
>>15399083
Snipping Tool?
>>15398574
I dunno, being an arrogant condescending bitch is kind of her thing.
>>15399083
I haven't tried it yet but the most convenient way is probably creating some custom touchscreen gestures and binding them to the PrintScreen button. There are various software products which allow such things like GestureSign and TouchMe Gesture.
>>15396688
She is being groped by some ugly drunk men and she isn't bothered by the situation one bit. She even looks like she is enjoying the damn thing. What a fucking slut she is. She should just die already.
>>15399296
Couldn't find GestureSign but TouchMe Gesture seems nice. Thanks!
>>15399403
>GestureSign
It's on github: https://transposony.github.io/GestureSign/
>>15397542
...dude
Do people seriously fap to the boring ero scenes in moege? Why?
>>15399773
I usually don't, which is a bit inconvenient when I consider CGs to be a pretty important part of the experience and over 80% of them are porn CGs
>>15399773
I can only do so if it's high tier artwork with at least passable writing.
>>15399773
Some of them are pretty hot like Amakano series.
>>15399773
Why read moege in the first place then?
I do it for the romantic experience, and sex is an important part of that.
>>15399952
I'd probably like it more if they only explicitly showed it once or twice. Sure it's an important part, but not enough that I want to see it 5-10 times per girl over actual character or relationship stuff or really even just more of the comedy and interactions I got during the common route.
>>15399773
As opposed to exciting(?) ero scenes in
>>15399965
You can only write so much random shit before things get boring, so I don't mind a few more ero-scenes. I can skip through the ones I don't like. Having a few more means the likelihood of a "good one" being there rises as well.
I mean eroge in general have the issue of being drawn out to fill some shitty writing quota, but moege are usually hit especially hard. So as much as people complain about the huge amount of ero-scenes in Purely Cation after the confession.. honestly? The other stuff after the confession was also too much. It was just the same thing again and again and again. There was no plotline to connect events anymore, nothing really you would go towards. Got a girlfriend and every scene was just talking. Talking. Talking. Everything else was skipped. It got pretty boring after a while, but still continued and continued until it just randomly decided that the writing quota is now filled, so it played the credits and was done.
Sure there are moege where I'd also want more "dates" or whatever, but those are usually the ones who fill their routes with random other crap and completely forget that MAYBE the reader wants a little of romance. But that's route/story design. Less ero wouldn't change that, as "PLOT" doesn't allow anything in those routes anyway. At least in the stuff I read which had that issue.
So I dunno. I don't see the ero being problematic. Eroge got longer on average anyway, but it's not like they have more to tell. In fact, with moege it's usually LESS to tell than stuff had in the past.
>>15399773
I fap to sexy teachers' sprites because they rarely get a route.
>>15400005
The writers being so bad at writing that they can't even make characters interesting enough to at least have a basic goal to strive for or a few conflicts to struggle through together in their routes isn't really a good justification for shoving it full of porn. You could argue that the H scenes are extremely repetitive too, so that isn't really something unique to out-of-H route stuff. Sure you can just skip them, but when the writers rely on stuff like that in place of other stuff, it's harder to actually give a fuck or like the characters at all if you don't care about the porn or don't feel more attached to the characters through it compared to other stuff. Then there's the issue of it creating a massive imbalance in CGs the more H heavy the game is among other problems.
If you like it, great, but I personally hate it and wish there were at least a way to tell how H heavy a game was before going into it without having to "spoil" myself by looking up CG sets and guessing.
>>15399952
I want cute girls. I don't need them getting fucked to be cute.
>>15395522
They removed the thicc
Why would you ever remove thicc
>>15399773
Because in this games sex is manifestation of feelings of love. Love can't be boring.
On the other hand, if your feeling are dead, you seek only desires of flesh. This kind of stimuli quickly dulls if repeated the same way, so you have to find something new constantly. This is called pervert. There are nukige for perverts.
>>15400302
>Love can't be boring.
Yes it can. Think of action, violence, death, etc. Surely those "can't" be boring... yet so many stories featuring them are dull as fuck. Likewise, poorly written generic love is pretty boring. A kyonyuu moeblob repeating ダイスク ダイスク isn't some mystical transcendent love that's always compelling. It can get boring too. This isn't "feeling dead", it's just being bored from something boring.
>>15400041
I honestly don't think any studio/producer on the planet has ever seriously considered an eroge heroine who has 0 H scenes, now that that's popped into my head
-I said eroge for a reason-
The fact that 'love' is equated to 'lust' is disturbing, really
.. then again, there are people who worship heroines because they aren't real, people who choose to worship things and distancing themselves from those things etcalso people who like School Days, like, who don't find any faults with it at all
>>15400389
>The fact that 'love' is equated to 'lust' is disturbing, really
It's a fact, though?
They're not the same but they're thoroughly connected.
Do you think an ugly, but pure, moege heroine would be popular?
No. No one wants to love someone ugly. It's just unfortunate human biology. It's in our brains.
>>15400399
I didn't say love is equated to lust all the while, I just said that it was. Sorry about the wording, I meant to say that 'it's a fact that people do equate it as such'
Also densha otoko shows a little about this, having someone pure of heart that you can relate to as a main character is something possible for writers, even if they're not the best looking around
Also if you come to exert your will that way, yes, yes you can love ugly things
>>15400419
I read Densha Otoko. The girls in that story were top-tier, and the reader isn't falling in love with the main dude so why would it matter what he looked like?
Silvia is a PISS poor example of an "ugly" character. She's beautiful with some scarring. Who gives a hoot about scarring, aka slight discoloration? Fuggin nobody. She's still beautiful. Heck, her original character design had one of her hands be a brutal disfigured mess. That was pretty nasty, but he cleaned it up for the final release.
Take a look at pic related. This character is simply not one people will fall in love with.
Some companies usually launch streams on NicoNico. And I usually late. Are they don't make a records for streams? Tried to watch last AlCot stream about this summer plans. Meh... Or nothing interesting in this events?
>>15400453
You can watch past Kyararas on Youtube for some time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS8G86KnKMA
But the guests are usually the same few makers alternating.
>>15400453
If you're a premium member then http://com.nicovideo.jp/live_archives/co1210023
I think if you reserve an archive in advance then you can watch it without premium for a stream that has its information up before it's live. For example if you click on タイムシフト予約 at http://ch.nicovideo.jp/gasenchannel for the stream on June 23.
Niconico is pretty bad.
dropped
>>15400625
>>15400625
>>15400644
Why does Japan care about the west's shitty memes?
>>15400653
Skyrim was popular in nippon as well and the line appeared there too.
Since the meme was born from NPCs repeating the same line of dialogue over and over it's no surprise it popped up in both places.
>>15400625
Looseboy games are memes in itself.
>>15400444
scarring in real life is not the same as scarring as it was made out here, yes
my point wasn't to use Sylvie as an example, it's to say that people can and do love ugly things, much like how people can and do equate love to lust
(I do realise that the character is a poor example; it's design is heavily moe-ified, huge eyes, little to no nose, heavy lashes etc, with, yes, scarring that's not a representation of what it's really like irl.)
>>15400752
The people in IRL who love ugly things are outliers. A joke is that there's at least someone out there who has a fetish for something. So yeah, you can point to an extremely small part of the 3D population and show that they love ugly things that they aren't attracted to. But those are outliers. They're not worth talking about as per humanity as a hole.
>>15400758
I take it that you mean to say that humanity chooses to follow outer beauty over inner beauty?
That eroge players choose good art over good characterisation?
>>15400770
Rather, that outer beauty is important for love in both humanity and eroge. Inner beauty and characterization are very important, but a lack of outer beauty would ruin it. An extremely ugly, but well-characterized girl, is a character someone likes, but doesn't love, much like an extremely ugly, but kind and gentle, human is treated as a friend not a lover. Eroge players don't choose good art *over* good characterization, they, like all humans, require good-looking art to compliment good characterization when it comes to falling in love.
Honestly, just look at the eroge market. You won't find a SINGLE moege company making games with ugly girls. Because people don't want to love ugly girls. Because love and lust are thoroughly connect. The only eroge companies making ugly girls are those that fetishize it (which I explained earlier as being irrelevant), and a couple "rape revenge", "guro" games which don't even try to have "love" whatsoever.
>>15400770
Both are mandatory.
>>15400788
>You won't find a SINGLE moege company making games with ugly girls
Maybe not too much these days but I'd consider the sprites in say, old Key games pretty ugly. Not intentionally so, perhaps, but that shit was popular as all hell nevertheless. And heroines fall in love with ugly/loser MCs all the time so if you don't believe it's possible I'd imagine that'd take away from the experience somewhat. Of course it's all just wish fulfillment and I'm not saying unattractive heroines in eroge would work on any level, people fall in love with unattractive people IRL all the time. How else would ugly, poor people get married? Not the guy you're responding to, for the record.
>>15401061
Well, people certainly disagree with you in regards to old key art, while it does look excessively uguu the girls are generally not considered "ugly" at all. Though the art doesn't accurately capture their beauty, they are still beautiful. Looking at the art now, it's more "neutral" than ugly anyway.
People falling in love with unattractive people is extremely rare. It doesn't happen "all the time". Usually you'll find that they're actually attracted to them, even if not to their faces, to their bodies and sex. I common thing I see is people looking at poor african tribes and saying how ugly the girls are, but the people of the tribe themselves consider the girls beautiful, it's just different standards and cultures.
Any other good doujin eroge like Himawari? Himawari had this sort of charm to it that you don't really get from most commercial eroge.
>>15400083
It's not the 90s anymore grandpa.
You're going to take your thin unattractive thighs, nonexistent hips and boyish asses and you're going to like it.
>>15401131
To be honest I've seen stick limbs, non-existent hips and boyish asses in way more 90s and 00s arts than the recent years. Not talking about the remake btw.
Has anyone read Asuseka here? I'm getting to be really conflicted. I'm knee deep in Aoba's route, which I think will probably be the most interesting of them all considering the surprising depth to her character, and yet I'm really bored. I looked it up in the /jp/ archive and someone said (back in 2012):
>I can't count the number of times I've heard that someone dropped asuseka because it was "boring". Seems like a lot of people go into the vn with misplaced expectations or something.
>misplaced expectations
However, my expectations weren't misplaced. I went in expecting SOL and a slow paced story, and not expecting an action-packed Armageddon-esque experience. Yet, I am still bored. It all comes down to the writing and the protagonist. The beginning of the game and the introduction are wonderful. Great, cozy SOL. Relaxed environment. Heart-wrenching drama. Very interesting stuff that I enjoyed reading. But, then this character route started and everything went to shit. Every event is accompanied with incredibly melodramatic narration courtesy of the MC. Things which should take a small amount of time take a very long amount of time because the MC spends so much time pussyfooting and contemplating. It's just boring. I don't have a problem with a slow pace or SOL or anything. But I really, really can't stand all the MC's excessive narration and how long it takes simple things to get resolved.
Maybe it's just a very good representation of "real" human relationships. Simple things turn into big things and there's a lot of tedious explanation, contemplation, etc required to figure out things. But it's just so boring to read when drawn out "realistically" like this. The characters have genuine depth and the romance has real meaning, but it take so friggin long to slowly drawl out what happens next it makes my head hurt. If it focused on SOL I'd be fine. If the story were just slow paced I'd be fine. But it's neither of that. The writing's *verbose* and the MC's dense at the convenience of the plot. It's excessively wordy, it takes far too long to say what it's trying to say as the MC lethargically wraps his teenage brain around the world. It's just boring.
Does anyone else agree? Am I going crazy? Takehaya is praised as a god everywhere I look. The most I see is people on /jp/ saying the common route is good and the character routes are shit, which so far I agree with but none of them are mentioning the problem being plain boring, long-winded writing.
>>15401164
Moogy said it's shit, that's all you need to know.
>>15401191
He apparently liked it enough to want to give it another try.
>>15401191
>Moogy
>one person
>http://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/136496400084
I think you're best off looking at a writer's history to grasp what his/her style is like, instead of only depending on an individual to be the say-all-end-all
>>15401204
jinkusu
>>15401210
>I think you're best off looking at a writer's history to grasp what his/her style is like
I've read Rakuen no Shugosha by the same author, and that was actually a pretty good novel. Very succinct and moving, albeit cliche. It is the polar opposite of Asuseka in terms of pacing, honestly. I finished Rakuen no Shugosha the day I started it and was very satisfied.
>>15401228
Writing/editing time is pretty much constrained in the production process of some studios, so I dunno
also
>2007
>2015
Writers can change over time, too, y'know anon?
>>15401258
Sure. I'm just saying I have read from the author before. Not that he's unchanged or anything.
>>15395522
r u i n e d
>>15401164
I got bored after reading quite a bit of Yuuhi's route. I also thought myself a sucker for this sort of heavy drama, but the game was still too slow-paced to my liking. If what you're saying regarding the protagonist is true then I'm not really sure if I have the patience to replay through his personal drama in every single heroine route as he already was pretty damn annoying in this one.
>>15401228
Is there a preferred order for アルカディアの灯火? Seems there's two different games by different authors.
>>15401455
Both stories are completely unrelated so you can read either one first. I did Rakuen first because the concept was infinitely more interesting to me (even if it ended up being different from what I thought it was) and there wasn't a hint of Marybell the whole time.
>>15399773
Yes, it's the reason why I learned Japanese.
>>15395522
>Low test
Welcome to modern japan
>>15401846
>x test meme
/v/ is over there
>>15401849
And reddit is over there ->
>>15396688
She looks like the younger version of ボクの彼女はガテン系's heroine.
