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This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.
What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished? You know the drill.
People who upload random shit on nyaa and anime-sharing during new eroge release week annoy me greatly for some reason. Get your animated 3D porn from ten years ago out of the way plz.
*Ride of the Valkyries plays*
>>15319949
Worst girl.
>>15319980
Second best, you mean.
And no Daitoshokan girl is really bad, just some boring ones like Tsugumi and Tamamo.
>Check random eroge screenshots
>Oooh, this girl seems cute
>Not a heroine
Why does this happen so much?
>>15319780
Alright. The new girl doesn't seem that special from her profile anyway. Definitely not worth the cost of compressed Kanasuke voice clips
>>15319999
The ones that stand out aren't allowed to be heroines. Heroines have to be bland cookie cutter archetypes to appeal to the widest possible demographic.
>>15320013
That's definitely a thing once you read something. But from screens alone?
Well, i guess a big issue is, that I like blonde girls. I blame having watched Jeanne anime as a kid which made me like blonde twintails more than I probably should. (and dislike cowtits) Oh the magic of the semilewd magical girl transformation when you just hit the age where this gets interesting..
>>15319993
Tamamo was way more interesting than Senri.
>>15319999
Because two bombs wasn't enough
So the "avatars" of the girls all got a bust-up, huh? So typical.
But whatsoever, I'm dropping Kokoro Log. It's unfortunate. It has a decently sized soundtrack which isn't too bad, nice artwork and good production values for the most part. But the writing.. or rather the "story".
This really reads like a nukige even though it's not one. The story is pretty garbage, the writing tries to make the girls seem cute in a way too forced way and so on and so forth. And the purity factor slapped in your face. "Gets multiple confession per day, but rejected all of them. Never accepted help of any guy, but the MC. Just happens to be happy he 'isn't popular' with girls". How about you just spell it out? Are you that afraid that someone might think the girl doesn't like the MC or something?
With all of that you basically expect the porn to fly from right and left at you. The virtual thingy is the same. The whole concept is garbage that feels like it's just there for porn. It's "for a game", and nicely enough the heroines don't know the MC (or other heroines) are in the "game", they are supposedly AI. But the MC gets to know the truth. And what were those weird footsteps they heard when the truth was revealed, maybe someone actually LISTENED IN? What kind of TWIST may come from this?!?
It's.. so bad. Next time maybe get an author that can actually write something that's not just a shitty nukige. Or.. make a nukige.
If it weren't for the virtual crap I might've read Kuon's route, but her virtual alter ego is shit. (well, all of them are shit, though outside of Koun it doesn't really matter as the real version aren't really much better either..)
Such a shame, with the nice art and all. This could've been a great moege with the right writers. It could've been a great nukige. But as it is it's just a whole lot of wasted potential.
>>15320352
In short: bad writing makes bad VNs 100% of the time.
>>15320352
I was waiting for it to get better but it sounds like I should drop it. This is another case of the girls looking moe in the artwork but the writing doing the exact opposite. Looks like there are no good pure love games this month.
>>15320465
Well, I wasn't super far in either. Pretty much till right after the virtual stuff was introduced. But yeah, this month is slow. Guess you can only try that Alcot imouto one or Tarareba.
>>15320617
I'm right before the beach scene, I assume it's going to get worse from here on. Seriously they have this whole gimmick they can use and they waste time on a school festival and beach scenes. The only time they did something different was the sky garden thing. How can they make a moege without moe or moving scenes that make you bond with the heroines? How?
>>15320352
I'm a bit interested on this cute moe game. How's the comedy?
>>15320665
What comedy? Unless the girls pressing their tits against MC and him having a breakdown is what passes for comedy nowadays.
>>15320665
I gotta say, this post right here is a poster child for good art attracting people to exceedingly shitty games
>dude shits all over a game, calling it infinitely shitty
>hmm, you've got my interest
>>15320352
go outside nerd
>>15320653
With all the Moege x Nukige going on, I guess they tried writing a Nukige and taking out porn, instead of writing a Moege and adding more porn.
Didn't work.
>>15320676
I just was. Now I'm back.
>>15320465
>Looks like there are no good pure love games this month.
Try てにおはっ！２. The pure love routes are pretty nice.
>>15320846
Hey I don't appreciate you recommending me cowtits nukige.
>>15320852
I take that back. I'm interested after looking at the CGs on the site. Thanks.
>>15320673
>good art
Dunno. It creeps me out. Same face, same body, same posture, same head tilt, same gaze looking at the same point. They are like bugged virtual reality bots or sloppily programmed game NPC stuck with the same animation.
>>15320673
I think the art looks pretty mediocre, honestly. Worst part is that it's a noticeable downgrade over their previous game.
>>15321027
>>15321129
The art style is average but the designs are nice.
I pity the people who can't appreciate these cute girls because some trivial things like "story" in moege.
>>15321290
You can appreciate them just looking at the pictures but if you actually read the game it's a huge piece of shit.
>>15321300
Pictures aren't voiced, their voices are cute. And actions they take are cute, only few have CGs.
>>15321290
>story
Writing and story are not the same thing.
>>15321290
The art isn't cute at all. Rather shitty, actually.
Characters are born from the writing of the novel. When it comes to cute girl images, there's practically infinite of those being produced constantly all over the internet. What separates VNs from those, and gives moege their worth, is the writing and to some degree voice acting. The characters are born from the writing, no doubt about it. When you line up 100 moe girls from moege, what will separate them is the writing far more than the art. A picture shows a face and a shadow of a personality upon a wall. Writing illuminates the true personality and goes at lengths to show it interacting with the MC. That's what sets moege apart from simple still images - the direct interaction and the huge amount of it. Given that the personality is entirely illuminated by writing, if the writing is bad, then the personality that's illuminated will be disfigured, ugly, trite, boring, etc. Writing is of utmost importance. If one considers writing trivial, they are satisfied with the shadow upon the wall, and that is truly the most pleb state of being, for shadows blend and become indistinguishable whereas the illuminate true personality outshines others and makes a place for itself in the annals of moe history.
>>15321402
We're talking about moege, there's nothing in these girls but that "shadow of a personality upon a wall". You can tell everything about Kokorolog girls just by looking at them and that apply to 99% of moege.
Also, aving more personality won't make a girl cuter, she'll have deeper character but that's not the point and what should be demanded in genre.
>>15320385
As a general rule, people who can write well, write books.
You can exhaust the 'worth reading for the writing quality' VN library in a few months at most.
>>15321491
>>15321492
If the writer isn't adept at making the characters likable then it's not a good moege. It's not about writing an intrinsic or complicated plot, but capturing entertaining and meaningful daily interactions with the heroines. People think moege is just cute girl pictures and voices but there is more to it than that.
>>15321491
If even in-game the illuminated personality is nothing but a shadow of a personality then there's no point in playing the game and you can just look at images and get 100% of the appeal. If you try to argue there's more appeal in the game then you are simultaneously defeating yourself by arguing that there's more than a shadow.
>>15321492
That is just not true.
>>15321566
>you can just look at images and get 100% of the appeal
Read >>15321314
>>15321507
>entertaining and meaningful daily interactions with the heroines
Unnecessary. Simple situation like imouto waking her oniichan in the morning is enough and even monkey can write this.
>>15321594
I mentioned that. Voices are ok but not too significant, and their actions are their personality.
>>15321616
>Voices are ok but not too significant
Very significant in making girl cute.
>and their actions are their personality
Paper-thin personality.
Sure you can imagine voice, girl's reactions and how the scene goes just from picture, but I won't call that a full experience.
>>15321740
>Very significant in making girl cute.
Disagree. Especially when you start hearing the same seiyuu over and over and over.
>Paper-thin personality.
>If even in-game the illuminated personality is nothing but a shadow of a personality then there's no point in playing the game and you can just look at images and get 100% of the appeal. If you try to argue there's more appeal in the game then you are simultaneously defeating yourself by arguing that there's more than a shadow.
If you are seriously entertained by a cardboard cut out going through repetitive motions accompanied by awful comedy and dialogue then
1 - You are new to visual novels
2 - You have a significantly impaired memory and thus can repeat the same stuff over and over with it maintaining freshness due to constantly forgetting you've already gone through it
3 - You're just an idiot (and I don't say this to hurt you or make you feel bad, I'm just stating it as a legitimate possibility.)
Not to mention that even then, I don't really see any argument against the fact that better writing == cuter girls. Kana in Daitoshokan is a legendary cutie for being so well written, for example. VNs/eroge have an abundance of cute girls so there's no need to waste time with boring games with cardboard girls when there's infinitely more games to play with better written (and thus cuter) girls.
>>15321740
In theory you are right, but this all started with Kokoro Log, where the "full experience" is worse than just looking at the picture. That's also a thing. The blonde girl for example may seem cute, until you see her act and hear her talk. Then it's over. Or at least it was for me. And that was pretty much the case for all but (normal) Kuon for me. And even Kuon wasn't really good, but at least the "full experience" with her didn't just hurt.
It's not that easy. "Cute" is an art. Kokoro Log will mostly only really please people that more or less like all moege, no matter what. And even then it's problematic, as the change during the VR parts are even making those leave. Last thread someone posted here about liking it enough before the VR part started.
tl;dr: You are right and wrong. Sometimes it IS better to just look at the pictures and ignore the rest. Sometimes it isn't.
>>15321776
Listening voices i like over and over, appreciating cardboard cuts I like, drinking tea I like everyday... It's normal to repeate doing things you like. Besides that, little changes like different set of template characters in games are enough of a change to keep me not bored. But any more than that often end badly.
>Not to mention that even then, I don't really see any argument against the fact that better writing == cuter girls. Kana in Daitoshokan is a legendary cutie for being so well written, for example.
Tell me then how Kana being well written upped her cuteness because I don't see that. Sure she have more personality than cardboard cuts but that doesn't make girl cuter. What make her seem cute are these copypaste personality traits.
>VNs/eroge have an abundance of cute girls so there's no need to waste time with boring games with cardboard girls when there's infinitely more games to play with better written (and thus cuter) girls.
Moege? No, there isn't.
>>15321800
So you only liked girls appearance but not personality. Reason valid enough to justify just watching at pictures.
>>15322152
Seems like option 3
>>15322171
I was thinking the same thing
>>15322171
>>15322182
Thank you for your precious opinion, it brought so much to the discussion!
What is next for Type-Moon?
>>15322273
More fate spinoffs.
>>15322152
>So you only liked girls appearance but not personality.
Isn't that the whole point of the discussion? He downloaded the game due to appearances and good art. However, the awful personalities (see: awful writing) turned him away. It was at that moment that you said
>I pity the people who can't appreciate these cute girls because some trivial things like "story" in moege.
That carries the heavy implication that you would have read the VN and appreciated the cute girls even with all the stories (see: writing, see: personality) problems. And yet, here you are, saying that if you don't like the personalities one may as well not play the game. So what exactly has been accomplished in this discussion?
Personally I think art is the least important aspect of a VN. It matters a lot in Nukige, but barely at all in everything else. Quality of writing, story, plot, and pacing are much more important.
The characters in Oonabara to Wadanohara all look like weird elf monsters, there's barely any CGs, and all of the music is royalty-free MIDI, but I still think Wadanohara is adorable because she's a complex character with traits and flaws who grows and changes over the course of the story and I got be there with her for it. It's harder to write characters like that in a moege because they're averse to conflict and plot but you can still bounce two characters against each other and make them both grow.
Still haven't started Kokoro Log though. Cautiously optimistic.
>>15322152
I willingly expose myself to cardboard cutouts on a regular basis and I would never try to argue against the fact that better written == cuter. The reason you think differently is because once things cross your threshold of acceptance, they're "done" and treated as equal while other people would further rank and distinguish them on the minute details.
Also, personality traits are linked to the writing. Since you're discarding that, the only thing left to go by would be the portrait.
Ok this really feels like nukige dialogue without the sex. Does anyone know how the route are set up? Can you choose between the real version and game version? Because right now I really hate the game versions personality, does anyone know why they are suddenly so badly written. The normal versions were just generic but inoffensive, these game personas are something you would see in the lowest budget nukige. I want to know what writer is responsible so I can blacklist him and avoid any game he writes forever.
>>15322440
There are 5 writers, no idea who did what
http://hearts.amuse-c.jp/rorolog/product.html
>>15322470
>There are 5 writers
Jesus
Anyone know if an ever semi-working link for Passion Star Stream exists anymore? Been trying to find it all day
>>15322549
Anime-sharing has some depositfiles links.
>>15322564
Hmm maybe there's multiple threads, but the one I saw the links were all dead
But I'll keep checking around on there
>>15322489
Maybe they were trying to outshit each other.
>あかべぇそふとすりぃ 最新作
>「生命のスペア I was born for you」
>8月26日に発売予定
Now this is heavy.
>>15322799
I'm waiting until spoilers show up. I don't want to play unless I know there's no bullshit save both cop out.
>>15322885
Isn't such bullshit miracle ending something you should desire? You don't want to save both of your qt sisters?
>>15322907
People who want a "save"-type ending would play one of the infinite vanilla games that offer such material... I imagine nothing's more annoying for a dark fetishist than vanilla butting its head everywhere.
>>15322907
No. I have LNs and anime for that.
>>15322918
>dark fetishist
That's a funny thing to call yourself, but I guess it fits in this case.
>>15322918
This exactly. It's like people getting upset at random-ass NTR scenarios, which I understand would be very upsetting for vanilla fans.
>>15322564
Okay phew I finally found a good depositefiles set
Sorry for the bother, but thanks for making me keep looking I guess haha
>>15322907
Also I just noticed I read too much into it. They're not the protagonist's sisters, just each other's.
Is it bad that I like this girl more than most of the other heroines.
>>15322799
Will this use Denuvo too?
Will we get a proper madpost out of this?
>>15323222
>too
As far as I know the didnt actually put denuvo in their last release ?
>>15323145
How is it so far? The art is nice, but I'm on edge about the plot.
>>15323145
Side-character? I just started this. (As Kokoro Log was as mentioned not.. too good) Hope this isn't another of those "best characters are side-characters" things.
>>15323253
>best characters are side-characters
Why risk making a game with zero fandisk potential, right?
>>15323271
People won't buy the fandisc if the original game wasn't good enough
>>15323238
it's quite interesting so far, actually.
I would recommend it so far.
I'm still only on the common route though, so.
>>15323284
Is there a lot of fighting? That's what turned me off in the description. I don't think horror and battles goes together well.
>>15323340
No, there hasn't been much fighting.
So far, I've only seen 3 scenes of fighting maybe?
And they're not very long.
>>15323340
It's a moonstone game
90% moeshit, 5% 2deep4u garbage writing, 5% gore/flashy shit
>>15322885>>15322918
tyr, go back to vndb with your retarded "I'm so dark and edgy" shit.
>>15323503
1 - I am not Tyr
2 - I am only one of the people you replied to
3 - moebuta pls go
>>15323359
Thanks friend. I'll try it out.
>>15323372
I haven't read any moonstone games besides Imopara.
>>15323517
I should've said it's a "kure" game anyway
>>15323534
What does that mean? Kure as in "give me" something? It wants you leaving more?
>>15323548
Kure is the scenarist ^^
>>15323145
;_;
Anyways, I find it kind of troubling that the main cast puts all the blame on the individual for murders or whatnot whenred bodachs drives up those urges exponentially. Sure, red bodachs may only possess unpleasant or even evil people, but still.
>>15319788
Haven't read untranslated vn's for awhile, but I decided to pick up Sakura no Uta since I found some free time.
So far, general chapters were enjoyable but Makoto route was a chore. Love the soundtrack.Shizuku best girl
Are there any games where there's incest drama between a blood-related brother and sister? I'm thinking Riaimo but it looks light-hearted. In most games everyone seems to accept incest.
>>15324514
Minori's latest game.
>>15324514
The imouto route in 恋騎士 PurelyKiss has said drama
I love the characters so far.
![CKFxnaUUEAABaOk[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/fbrMgEP.png "CKFxnaUUEAABaOk[1].png")
Any decent lolicon VN came out lately? Even any Nukige (good art Nukige)?
I've been playing 通心ぼ lately and it's fucking amazing.
>>15320665
It has it's moments. I don't get why people would pick up a moege and then drop it because it's a moege.
>>15323145
Fuck dude I haven't read Baldr Sky yet
>>15322799
>scenario writer is 中島 大河
Fucking yes. I seriously like this guy, his last work was disappointing but I knew he will deliver eventully.
>>15322799
This is the kind of game that shouldn't have more than two heroines, yet it will.
>>15322799
Isn't that just ぼくのたいせつなもの except with sisters?
>>15324514
Here's a few I've played with incest drama:
ヨスガノソラ (everyone knows this one because of the infamous anime)
初恋 (IIRC it's unclear whether they're actually blood-related but there's plenty of drama nonetheless)
運命予報をお知らせします (very recommended; the art is weird but you get over it)
黄昏のシンセミア (the drama is relatively light but it's a great game all around)
Ones I've heard have incest drama but I haven't played yet so I can't comment:
夏空のペルセウスClover Point(I guess it's supposed to be a spoiler?)
I'm always looking for more if anyone has any to add.
This is your date tonight
>>15325007
We had this discussion in long in this very thread.
tl;dr: Because it's a shit moege. A REAL shit moege.
>>15325967
I d-don't mind.
>>15325966
恋がさくころ桜どき imouto route is rather dramatic too.
>>15325967
brb downloading
>>15326125
Nice hair.
Are there many moege/charage that have barely any focus on H scenes (aka only a couple per route) and focus a lot more on deitos (actually going out and doing stuff together that doesn't involve fucking), banter between the couple, relationship development, and heartwarming conversations? Cute love stories that don't get bogged down by H scenes and are able to have several CGs for key moments.
>>15326420
Yes. If you don't want ero at all, go for console releases though.
If you want the "1 per route" thing from ages ago, that's not happening anymore. However, you still have the same amount (or more) of normal CG or more anyway, as eroge simply became on average longer, and have more CG.
>>15319980
Its terrible when a character you really like gets a route in a fandisc and it turns out to be nothing more than a joke route.
>>15326604
Worse than if there's no route? Worse than if said character dies in a super dumb way? Worse than if it's a "normal route" but it actually makes the character into something completely different or just generally shits all over what makes her great?
I've never had your experience, but I have my own pretty terrible ones. We've all gone through some shit I'd assume.
There's actually a surprising amount of cases where once you hit a character's route, you've basically seen the best scenes of said character already. Komomo's route in Hoshimemo is such a great example of that. It doesn't even have any romance.MC and she only get together, because she needs something to hold onto, as she suffers from a major existential crisis. To the point even the sex is just something so she is able to "feel alive". Of course the MC also never does anything in the route, aside of offer his dick and shoulder so she's able to cope with things. Until everything is dealt with, after which the route promptly ends.Of course if you chose another route, she never has any issues, even though the event that starts everything is in the common route. Yep, that was a pretty popular moege at some point. Beats me why... though I guess the common route was pretty good. Old "wounds" I guess.
>>15326604
Or when it's short and rushed, like Aoi's route in Daitoshokan FD.
>>15326674
>she never has any issues,
Unless you go for the main one in which it happened, just not with the MC.
>>15321776
Agreed. Cut out personalities are incredibly unappealing
and boring. Generic characters can break a VN.
>>15326420
try playing Love Plus
https://youtu.be/QGsvlape5ko
>>15326686
Well, the MC is pretty replaceable anyway, could've been literally anyone at that point. (which is pretty awkward on its own)
That said, I dropped it afterwards, so I wouldn't know what the true route or whatever does.
>>15326420
The LxC bundle for the vita
>>15326420
Photokano and Reco Love
>>15326767
Why on earth would you buy an all ages version of two nukige?
>一貫
So uh, do I get this right? They are in middle-school which has a high-school attached? They obviously never give real ages, but it'd be pretty.. young? First year of middle-school that is.
Though how they can go together for six years is kinda weird, seeing how the MC apparently goes to that school for a year already.
>>15327186
Probably didn't mean 6 years together, but the MC is 2nd year of middle school then.
>>15327274
Yeah. He said (or rather the narration said) 5 years a bit after I posted it.
So if this is how it is, the girl there's like 13 and the MC 14. Rare in eroge I feel. It's usually high school, university or elementary school I think.
>>15327304
>the girl there's like 13
Picked up.
Man I'm really glad it's happening but does it have to be such generic art?
>>15327306
It's not a moege though.. I think. I'd still read it if it was though, based from what I've seen so far.. which ain't much but hey. It's like day and night compared to when I tried Kokoro Log at the very least.
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>>15327529
Try checking her character page in the offiicial website?
>従妹
cousin sister
>>15327602
Are you retarded...........
>>15325985
As opposed to the moege masterpieces like?
>>15323510
Whatever you say, tyr.
>>15327622
I admittedly haven't played a ton, but pretty much all of the ones I did play a significant time were better. Those include, but are not limited to:
Noble works, Sanoba Witch, Kamitsure, tsuriotsu, Hoshimemo, Period (does this still count?), Ikikoi, Kanojo no Seiiki, Koisuru Natsu no Last Resort, Puraly x Cation.
It doesn't have to be a "moege masterpiece" to be better than Kokoro Log. Not even close. I mean it could just be my taste to a certain degree, but seeing how many else dislike it, there's more speaking for it. Heck, I haven't even read that many eroge, so in theory it should be easier for me to like it.
>>15327616
methinks you're mistaken with me adding the two words in English up to form what I just said
if you actually looked up the word you'll see it says 'younger female cousin'
you rarely have anyone who speaks English saying that in conversations (in Asia, at least)
>>15327622
Flyable Heart is a Grade A masterpiece.
I haven't read many western vn's that I thought were good. They just try too hard to emulate japanese culture and it comes off as inauthentic.
Okay, she's like 14 (just started the second year of middle-school) and apparently just got her first period. Made me thing she's totally a late-bloomer. Checked wiki for confirmation, but apparently asians get it a bit later than western girls, though of course it varies. She's probably still a bit of a late-bloomer though. Guess I learned something new. Thanks, eroge.
.. not a lot of eroge acknowledge the existence periods do they. I got so reminded of my own school-days when the whole "the girls just use it as an excuse to not participate during PE" came up. That happened a lot.
>>15327797
>not a lot of eroge acknowledge the existence periods do they.
It's pretty common in games I read. "Sorry, we can't fuck due to my period, but... we can do other things" cue blowjob, paizuri, etc
>>15327797
I like to think all those drama scenes where the girl starts being emotionally unstable and lashes out at people for drama reasons happen because of her period.
>>15319949
>>15327806
Yeah okay, I forgot "outside of h-content". You also get "don't worry it's a safe day!" which kinda goes into the same direction. I.. actually didn't see the "no sex 'cause of period" thing so far I think... but eh. Might've forgotten it.
>>15327816
That's actually a nice idea.
>>15323222
>>15323235
It was Securom 8. This time he announced they finally wised up and decided to do something about the engine being open source. They might roll their own and make it x64 which would mean Denuvo would work with it.
>>15327923
And suddenly 80% of JP computers can't run it anymore. Welp. Not like he cares I suppose.
>>15327923
Why is he so stubborn? What is he trying to prove?
>>15328004
>>15328009
He wants to "keep up with the Joneses" (The West) like the rest of the mainstream JP dev scene.
>>15328021
He's going to have to release on Steam if he wants Denuvo to work.
So did anyone here actually finished 果つることなき未来ヨリ? I understand that nobody gave a shit about it at release because they were busy with Sakura no Uta, but now that things has settled down, how actually is it?
>>15328276
I didn't finish it, but I read a good deal in. In short. It's *fucking* long, the protagonist is preachy and always right, the resistance fighters are Japanese and the Evil Empire is America (complete with atomic bomb analogy), and the narrative is fairly weak. That said, it's funny at times, the art is gorgeous, and it DOES have a fantasy setting that's significant which is fresh. Most people I know who read it likewise got bored in the midst of the enormous common route, though. The game has very bad pacing.
>the resistance fighters are Japanese and the Evil Empire is America (complete with atomic bomb analogy)
I honestly don't see this as a legitimate complaint. The main audience for this is Japanese, not pig gaijin who get butthurt they're made to be the bad guy. You want murrikan MC's killing Jap? Go play Cockadoody.
>>15328300
I always laugh when America are the bad guys. It's so cheesy. Even in that mainstream anime movie Summer Wars they randomly added it at the end. "By the way, America is at fault for everything!"
Not sure what to think about a whole long eroge with that though. That'd just feel awkward. No matter which country are the "good ones".
we need more westaboo eroges, amirite fellas
>>15328370
Is it supposed to take place in anno 2002?
>>15327819
I like stuff like that.
>>15328394
The Japanese internet on average is at least 15 years behind so I'm not surprised.
>>15328347
So cheesy, yet so true. Every superpower is ripe for villain status because it's a tried and true classic trope. Wouldn't have much to work with in reverse.
>>15328396
I already love her.
>>15328403
I don't want them putting shit like "We wuz Kangz" or "U wot m8" anytime soon if that's what you're implying.
>>15328430
I do
>>15328396
>>15328430
They'll get there eventually.
>>15328519
Skyrim is a fucking disgrace to everything I admire.
Should I read Island, if Himawari so great?
>>15328550
>should I read a novel by an author i thought was great
yes?
>>15328565
It was long before he joined Front Wing. And that company is shit.
>>15328588
So what? An author is an author. Liking Himawari is reason enough to read Island. If you don't like it, dropping it is OK.
>>15324539
Is this a spoiler? I'm not seeing any sister heroines in 罪ノ光ランデヴー.
>>15328519
That meme is best if you get it in the most stupid and unexpected way. Otherwise it's overused as fuck.
I saw it recently and laughed my ass off, but it's not related to this thread. Wasn't part of a story though, which probably helped it, it pretty much literally happened in a game in a super dumb way.
Well, eroge'll catch up. Dude in Sanoba Witch does the "Akari, daisuki~" meme, which is Japanese but whatever. It's a start.
>>15328594
But a chief can impose on its workers whatever the hell he wants.
>>15328550
In retrospect I liked both games about the same, though I also felt many middle parts of Island more drawn out and unnecessarily longer than anything in Himawari. However the last parts made it all worth it, and the true ending of Island was in my opinion more satisfying than Himawari's ending (if you don't count Aqua After since it wasn't included in the remake). Best girls of both games also have the same VA.
>>15328588
>>15328633
If you're worrying about Island being different from Himawari due to Island being all ages from the get-go you need not worry, as like Himawari, Island has also some pretty heavy and not so family friendly stuff as well despite being technically all ages.
>>15328631
Fuck off back to ribbit
>playing サクラノモリ†ドリーマーズ
>this happens all of a sudden
I actually got startledShit sure when from comfy to terrifying in an instant
>>15324971
Maitetsu and that Oniichan Kiss...etc game are relatively new.
Shoujo Ramune is from last year, but it's probably better than those two if you're looking for porn.
>>15327304
Micchi's preview post said something about a 3 year timeskip though, so they're probably 16/17 in the main part of the story?
>>15328955
How is Maitetsu? Is it on the same level as Monobeno?
>>15329019
If you like infodumps about trains, go for it.
>>15328955
>Shoujo Ramune
That was the first Tanuki game I didn't enjoy. Feels like a cheap nukige instead of their usual middle class nukige.
>>15329044
I think "infodumps" is a bit misleading... it's worse than infodumps. I think the idea is better conveyed by, "if you like just about all dialogue in the game being a series of excessively polite explanations mainly focused on trains with hardly any meaningful interaction beyond that".
>>15328616
Slightly, but they pretty much reveal her identity the first scene the protagonist mentions he has a sister in the common route. Maybe I've just read too many of these things but the moment they showed the flashback CG I immediately knew who she was.
>>15320352
That's a pretty bad case of sameface in that screencap.
>>15329101
Cool thanks. I'll check it out.
>>15328933
Oh fuck off
>>15329144
I started playing the prologue just before bed and at the very first instance of this happening I closed the game and went to sleep. I'm not going to make it.
>>15329173
I hear you, I'm actually anxious to click next for the first time in perhaps ever
Oh, there it is. I was waiting for a battle where comboing is impossible
Iincho is the fucking worst girl ever holy shit
>>15329229
Well okay I say that even though this screen does not show how shit she is with her element rolls
>>15329236
She rolls the exact element you need for the combo in a specific order.
>>15329251
Maybe it's just the enemy then, but I'm pretty sure the 5AP on 5 cards, 4 stun and only 3 things that can actually trump without stun/no way to charge means you can't avoid getting hit and dropping combo somewhere
>>15329173
>>15329203
It's spooky? Not in the skeletons pooping out of closet way?
>>15329287
The game makes it so that you can always get combos, iincho's rolls are useful because they basically tell you one of the cards the enemy is using from the get go.
>>15329293
Don't worry, there are no skeletons shitting out of closets. That's be more comedy than anything else anyway.
>>15329144
I love one moment of this. Generally speaking though, the atmosphere is top notch during this prologue. It's just what I wanted, though I feel like it'll get way worse afterwards. I think I've heard it becomeschuuni
Are there actually full titles that are like the prologue of Sakura no Mori Dreamers? I hope that it can stay good, but I really.. have my doubts.
>>15329293
I'd say just jump in and find out
>>15329293
Kinda bland, I'm reading it but the atmosphere isn't particularly strong, some good bits but from the comments I saw in egs and stuff I expected something more 'horror' or just unsettling in some way.
>>15329342
Have the complete opposite opinion.
>>15329299
sure it does
suuuuuuure it does
Geez this is.. I mean. I don't wanna...
This is nice. I like this generally nice and happy atmosphere, but you just know that any second some serious shit can happen. This is killing me, with the previous nightmare and all..Dunno if I need to even spoiler this.. but whatever.
>>15329299
>>15329477
okay well i can see now how it normally does that, but I guess I just got unlucky with the specific instances I posted where I'm pretty sure I couldn't have combo'd
in the one quoted I could've if it was 9 cards and iincho was thunder but meh
finally got good rolls on that stage and scored alright so 's all good i guess
>>15329494
Dude with how much you're posting about this game it better be good or I'll be disappointed. Too bad I have to finish Kokoro Log first.
>>15329514
I'm not the only one reading this actually. The spoiler screens aren't from me for example.
That said, this is really just the prologue right now, and you gotta have a thing for this atmosphere. And Madoka probably as well.
Not sure if one should use a walkthrough though. There's a bit of a weird thing you realize when you look at its structure. Which in my opinion makes things quite interesting but it's also spoilerific.There are 5 girls on the cover of this game. But there are 4 normal endings.. and one bad one. Heh... I actually don't know more though.I guess this is a big part of why I'm actually so anxious right now.
>>15329514
I hope you're wearing diapers
>>15329562
Have you ever watched a horror movie in your whole life? Because it isn't even remotely scary.
Sakura no Mori seems nice, but with a story filled with mystery, horror, gore and battles must at least have a decent level writing or it will be B tire Hollywood movie. I'll wait for people to finish and review it first before jumping into this wild ride.
>>15329494
what game
>>15329543
I started reading a game recently and in one of the images a heroine was being raped. I spent the whole game in anticipation of her being raped and stolen from the MC, but in the end...it was a rapist who made MC have sex with her while he watched. Seriously
>>15329616
That must've been NTR for you.
>>15329616
>>15329643
My sides. Anyways what's the game? The scene sounds interesting.
>>15329616
Some rapist he is.
>>15329733Kizuato. Check out the screenshots on VNDB, you should see which one I'm talking about.
>>15329766
Damn it's the least cutest heroine. Guess I'll backlog it for now.
Why do people like to talk so much shit about Katawa Shoujo? It's pretty good for what it was, and still one of the better EVNs even without needing to rely on crowd funding to get made.
>>15329823
It tries too hard.
>>15329823
I haven't even played it. I can't really get past the top weeb-ness of the game.
>>15329836
So do most Japanese games to be honest
>>15329323
Sounds like it will eventually turn into chuuni shit from the description. What a waste
>>15329969
Having read a work by the same author... you don't need to worry about that.
And frankly, there are so god damn many moege that do fuck all that I don't see how a single one turning into a chuuni would be a waste.
So, done with the Sakura no Mori Dreamers Prologue. Few notes:
-Pretty good production values. For how long this prologue was, there sure were quite a few CG, plenty of backgrounds and so on. Soundeffects also seem nice, it seems mixed well and so on.
-Paced well. The prologue feels longer than it is script wise. I doubt this'll stay consistent, as pacing is like the nr. 1 problem of longer eroge
-Regularly "other views" to show short segments or usually inner comments about certain things of other characters. I especially like Hatsune's. It reminds me of the "inner voice" segments in Sekien no Inganock.
Other than that it's atmospheric subtle horror. This isn't for anyone. Not too different from Denpa, as far as feeling goes. It slowly builds its atmosphere and makes you like the characters. And then it starts to tease, becomes more and obvious until bubble breaks. You know it comes, but you don't want it to come. That's at least the idea.
Personally this worked for me, but I REALLY love this style of horror. It's kinda rare unfortunately, most stuff is more "jump-scare", "gore central" or just "24/7 disturbing, but nobody really cares as it's just standard". Also Madoka a cute, so I'm like in that way as well. So yeah, if you want some heavy horror that doesn't let you go, this isn't like that so far, and will probably never be.
tl;dr: I liked the prologue. Also that opening..
>>15329988
This sounds more like mystery than a moege though
>>15329998
I'm just assuming it's a moege because I read Natsu no Iro no Nostalgia by the same author and despite having a similar approach to the story as this game does it was really just a bland moege in the end.
>>15329997
Is there a route for the ghost girl?
>>15330018
>prologue
>>15330027
Oh sorry, I'm too sleepy. Hope at least someone else answers it.
>>15329903
I beg to differ. They do their own thing and don't give a fuck. English VN's for the most part try too hard to impress.
>>15330167
Are you being serious? Have you READ vns? Like, not just the 10/10 kamige on rec charts, but the all the mid-tier titles. Same level as cringe as oelvns.
>>15330194
Yes, I have and none of them have reached critical cringe that OELVN's have attained. Maybe because I'm not as jaded to them as you.
>>15330234
You said "trying to hard". That's what I meant. I'm not even jaded, it's just obvious they're trying way to hard to be moe / sexy / funny all the time.
>>15330262
Let's be real. That phrase is subjective as fuck. What seems like that to you might not be for me. But there is no denying of the fact that OELVN's have been nothing but Weeb pandering garbage.
>>15330273
Yes yes anon, every opinion is subjective in the end.
OELVNs are actually pretty varied. The biggest one right now is actually based on a western game and has very little Japanese influence. "Love is Strange".
>>15330285
Sounds like some artsy fartsy bullshit. If it doesn't have porn, I ain't interested.
>>15330292
Oh wait this? https://vndb.org/v18564
Yeah, nah ain't touching it with a 100 meter pole.
>>15330295
Not tellin' ya to, just pointing out not all oelvns leech off weeb culture and plenty of them try equally as hard as Japanese vns.
>>15330315
I still say that the quality for them, be it art or writing, skews to mediocre to really bad so in that sense, they aren't even trying at all.
>>15329997
>Not too different from Denpa
That's a heavy statement to make
>>15328955
I'm aware of Maitetsu but since it's being localized I'll actually wait for that. I'd have tried Monobeno already if wasn't for its daunting Japanese. Oniichan Kiss looks good though, thanks for that.
>>15329044
>That was the first Tanuki game I didn't enjoy. Feels like a cheap nukige instead of their usual middle class nukige.
I guess I was right to be on the fence about it. I really enjoyed the time I spent with Tonari no Puu-san but I wasn't interested in that one at all. Hows Shoujo Kyouiku though, I have it in my "to-play" list and it looks great.
>>15330477
>I'm aware of Maitetsu but since it's being localized I'll actually wait for that.
1 - There's an extremely high chance of the porn being removed
2 - Don't be lame man, git gud at Japanese. Use a texthooker if you want. It's not that intimidating.
>>15330488
I've been at it on Kanjis everyday since January and if all works well I'll be working in Japan in August. I can understand roughly 50% of shit like Tanukisoft nukige but people said that Mono had hard Japanese so I'm holding that one off. I'm in no rush to play Maitetsu anyway, honestly it doesn't look that good and if it gets gutted I'll just hope for a patch.
>>15330510
Well, they are relatively hard, but nothing a year or two of studying won't iron out... preferable to reading a translation (remember: tls ALWAYS butcher the original, it can't be helped).
That said, I'm surprised by your statement. Maitetsu *looks* extremely good (have you seen the animated CGs??), the problem is the writing, haha.
>>15330516
>have you seen the animated CGs??
Oh. Welp. Yeah, I do want to play it now. If Nekopara did anything right it was its animated CGs, that stuff was golden.
But that's the thing, the better it is the more I want to appreciate it and for that I need to be able to read most of it. It's possible that by the time it gets localized my Japanese will have improved enough for me to enjoy it more anyway, so there is no need to rush. Same reason why I'm holding off on Monobeno, really.
I mean there is a bunch of stuff from Tanuki that I haven't read yet and some other VNs/Nukiges that go beyond loli, so there is time. I take way too long with each game.
>>15330532
A large amount of Maitetsu's appeal is the writing's "realism" in a sense, the way the characters speak in dialect legitimately well (according to 2ch posters from kyuushuu / kumamoto themselves, it sounded as if it were written by a native of the region) and the way everyone uses (or doesn't use) keigo. So, if you read a translation, you're by default missing out on a significant amount of the game's original appeal.
>>15330555
I'll keep that in mind.
What are some good horror VNs with genuinely disturbing scenes that put you on edge?
>>15330613
im not too big into horror vns but when I first got into them I played deep blue. It has more shock than really unsettling scenes.
>>15330613
Kara no shoujo
>>15330613
Subahibi
>>15330647
>>15330681
They all suck.
>>15330613
This https://vndb.org/v1200
>>15330698
That's denpa, not horror.
>>15330705
>disturbing scenes that put you on edge
I don't see a difference.
>>15330698
I haven't checked yet, but is new dlsite version uploaded?
>>15330717
Sure, he described what he wanted as something similar to sayo but its not horror. Not saying you shouldn't have replied, just saying it's not what he asked for. You'll never feel scared in sayo.
>>15330358
If you're looking at the weeb games it only makes sense that the game feel to "try too hard". Westerners are trying to replicate a culture and setting they don't fully understand. It's going to turn out awkward and ridiculous. Life is Strange as mentioned before has no weeb influence and from what I've seen seems to be pretty decent.
>>15330613
Japanese horror isn't about guro. Go watch your American movies about maniacs with chainsaw crap. Japanese horror is psychological one.
>>15330826
>Japanese horror isn't about guro.
yeah ok
(@ dark blue, gore screaming show, etc etc)
>>15330796
>"Anime-Inspired" art
>SJW pandering undertones
>Based off a vidya
And I thought I had lax standards.
>>15330930
Wait I was thinking of the game. Never mind I just looked at the other one. I take everything back.
>>15330613
>genuinely disturbing scenes that put you on edge?
If you disregard outright guro games that are usually more nauseating than something which give a genuine feeling of dread, I find it hard to pick a VN that would've managed to keep that kind of atmosphere for the entire game.
I guess SubaHibi for the most part fits the bill and you know whose route in (slight spoiler in naming the game, it's written byTanaka Romeo)Saihate no IMAhad me jump on a few occasions without even employing what I'd call actual jump scares, and the game in general felt pretty unnerving with how weird everything was, though as a whole I wouldn't call the game horror.
>>15331169
For me one of the more unnerving things in Subahibi was how Sca-ji managed to makemass suicide endings in It's My Own Invention feel like happy ends.
>返えって in context of 却って
>試し in context of of 例
It would have been nice if Moonstone proofread a little more carefully. Kind of distracting.
what are some really lewd eroge like little ero but tons of lewd scenes, like hand holding and bumping into breasts and stuff
I wonder why they bothered to put this in
>>15331415
Seems like a lot of work to put into the game when the base audience can't read it.
>>15331435
Most Japanese can read and write English better than they can speak it.
>>15331435
Their keyboards have the roman alphabet on them so it shouldn't be too unfamiliar
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