Useful links and tips: http://pastebin.com/9WYsXMLF
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016052207gm-0089-0000-d770ab6d&tw=2&ts=5
>Those starting hands
I laughed my ass off when the dealer got hi and ragequit, but seeing his hand, I understand a bit.
Does anyone else get disconnected from Tenhou more often recently?
I haven't gotten disconnected once for about a year or so, but 3 or 4 times in the last week and it's getting annyoing.
Also what is considered a good tie-call-rate?
Based kamicha saving my ass
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016052214gm-0089-0000-12284027&tw=3&ts=9
>>15272606
This could be good guide, but depending on your playstyle.
I was thinking today would be a good day to play mahjong and then I got up and lost 3 games consecutively.
>>15272606
Tokujou main has .318 call rate and .201 riichi rate.
Alt is sitting on 46 games and is one win away from escaping ippan hell with .341 call rate and .210 riichi rate. Only been playing tonpuusen on this one, though.
>>15272731
I'm just getting out of a slump myself. It's pure bliss when you get the flow back.
And fuck sticking to safe fast hands once you're first. If you've got the flow, you use it, even if you're 20k points ahead.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016052202gm-0089-0000-5074b23c&tw=1
>>15272731
We'll get through this, man.
>>15272805
Should've thought that I should stop playing since most of the players I was encountering were all 2-3 ranks above me.
>>15272731
I envy that your shit luck is limited to one day. I'm having a terrible fucking month
>>15272606
I'm doing really well in Tokujou this month (twice as many 1st as 4th 40 games in). My call rate is .361 and my riichi rate is 229.
Well that was nice.
>>15274256
Congrats son. There's nothing left I can teach you. Keep going strong.
>>15272535
what a pussy. he could still have avoided fourth place. i understand the rage tho
If there were a mahjong client and server to which you could make custom riichi and non-riichi mahjong rules to, what would you like the format to be like?
Something like rc?
tileshand=13
riichi=YES
Something like XML?
<tileshand val="13"/>
<riichi val="true"/>
or
<tileshand>13</tileshand>
<riichi>true</riichi>
Something like CSV?
tileshand,13
riichi,1
Keep in mind that the format may also be used to make mahjong yaku/hands/scoring charts, unless I also make a form of regex for mahjong tiles.
What do you do when you've got bad flow?
>>15274707
you stop playing
>>15274707
Take a break, clear your mind, don't go into games with the "This time for sure" or "I'll make back what I lost" mentality.
>>15274707
First and foremost watch the replays and figure out what is going wrong. Were you just unlucky with the discards after a riichi or were you dealing into obvious honitsu?
After that just take a break and calm down. An hour is usually enough if you were just unlucky. If you are making stupid mistakes just stop for the day, you are probably tired.
>>15274707
yes, stop for the day or at least do something else for a couple of hours before coming back.
also, never play when its late and youre sleepy, never play if youre even slightly drunk, never play if theres too many things around you distracting you
>>15274659
Also, since this program would be available in both source and binary, it would work on operating systems without Adobe Flash, unlike tenhou.
>>15274659
personally, i have no actual preference. im more used to xml-like, but the other true are pretty simple too. xml looks more organized
>>15275232
I see. I don't know of any cases where I'd actually put elements inside of other elements though unless I used it for the yaku list.
>>15272535
>ragequitting
I hope none of you lot ever do this. Showing such complete lack of respect for the other three people is just about the only thing that will really set me off.
Yes, mahjong can be very frustrating at times. I'm hardly immune to it myself. But instead of turning the game into shit, try to recover. If nothing else, playing with a shoddy mental state is just about the only way to practice tilt management and the experience can be very useful in the long run. Not to mention the incredible feeling when managing to pull off a comeback after being pummeled left and right and having had multiple haneman+ hands denied.
>>15275855
If ragequitting is too tempting to resist, maybe one can try tonpuusen games. Games are over in a flash, anyways, and one can make miraculous recoveries.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016052216gm-0001-0000-f267be2c&tw=3
This was the first time in 8 games I'd dealt in, but I grit my teeth and recovered. Also the last game I had to play in ippan. I've reached civilization at last.
>>15274256
How many fucking games do you play each month? That's amazing, congrats mate. Maybe you'll be the first person I know from these threads that will reach Hououif you exclude fake GOGO and fake Hei that is.
>>15275855
As much as I hate the feeling of losing games, the feeling of being able to comeback and surmount a giant lead in South rounds and win is so glorious. I don't understand how people can't appreciate that.
>>15276074
I got on a massive hot streak and went 14+10+14+6 this month, plus the 11 in 7447 which is a total of 55.
UNIVERSE has more than 55 games just in 7447.
>>15276167
>There were over 55 games in 7447 this month.
Y-you guys are avoiding me! Everytime I check our lobby it's nearly empty.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016052310gm-00c1-0000-3e8d2982&tw=3
I'm rewarded for being a retard.
>>15276451
Nice
>1:0
>2:0
>3:0
>>15276618
>>15276741
3:0 AND 2:0
>>15276802
Someone join us in need for speed mahjong.
>>15276857
There, I made a cheap throwaway name to satsify you gremlins.
>>15276933
satisfy, too.
I think it was a pretty offensive username!
>>15274964
Might as well quit then...
>>15277179
Do you live in a zoo or something?
http://www30.atpages.jp/mojan/dbranking_all_en.php?l=L7447&m=0
This has a list of all the games and results in 7447. Just adjust the time zones and you can figure when people are usually on.
>>15277212
I have two todlers, so yes I do.
Also, 2:8
>>15277342
My condolences
>>15277342
Gotta just play when the kids are asleep like Kiriya-kun does with Koume, I guess. That's rough; sorry about my earlier comment.
>>15277342
Are you religious? I don't see why else someone wouldn't abort.
>>15277342
>two todlers
At what age will you expose them to mahjong?
>>15274707
Force the flow to be good with my fearless playstyle.
What name is Asapin playing under? His main account is half-dead
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016052320gm-0089-0000-91203d19&tw=2&ts=9
You have to appreciate the times the game just spits in your face.
>>15278391
He has three accounts ASAPIN, トトリ先生19歳, and ヒルピン.
Hirupin is the new account he uses to play during his work lunch (and streams), totori is the account he's playing seriously on
![543a4935774369e02aad1d85a509e88f[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/DbwviQV.png "543a4935774369e02aad1d85a509e88f[1].png")
Winning isn't too bad once in a while.
>>15277605
My older daughter (around koume's age) likes to play with my tiles. I have her draw and discard when I practice my tile efficientcy. She will yell LOOK IT'S HAKU! whenever it pops up. Mainly due to the character from spirited away. She pon'd a eight sou yesterday, randomly.
She'll ask me if I'm losing if she sees me on tenhou, even if im in the lead.
I'll teach her basics in a few years
finally getting back on track
Stupid question
When you call pon and put the three tiles away,do you still contribute to the winning hand?
>>15279633
What?
>>15279181
Does she draw mahjong manga characters like the real Koume? (Pic is kirinji mangaka's daughter)
>>15279633
Those tiles are still part of your hand, yes, even though you can't discard them. Assuming that's what you're asking.
>>15279787
No. Her drawings are.... well little more than squiggles at this point.
She only watches crappy Pokemon ripoff animu on Netflix, so no mahjong animu for her.
What should I do here?
>>15279974
nothing there seems to be really safe. sou tiles seem to be pretty depleted but someone can still be waiting on 58s as there's still three 6s and two 7s unaccounted for.
pin looks super dangerous. the 4 is probably safe but that 2 is not.
actually what looks less dangerous here is the man tiles, specifically 4 and 6, so i'd go with that if i wanted to fold. if you don't want to fold, probably i'd go with 5s.
how did it turn out?
>>15279974
All your hand looks awful from a defense standpoint, but pushing is equally awful since it's either a 3tile 6sou wait (9sou fucking up your yaku) or a furiten pair wait.
Shit. I'd go 4man, but it's a crapshoot
>>15279974
Well, I wouldn't have called in the first place, because of the chance of furiten if you drew a 9s. But at that point, I'd say fuck it and discard the 8s.
>>15279974
4p
your hand aint worth shit
>>15280073
>>15280135
Like a dumbass I dealt into the biggest hand. I wasn't sure about putting down any manzu tiles because I thought dealer was aiming for honitsu but now that I look at it again they are the least dangerous according to everyone's discards.
>>15280196
I called to avoid the noten payment, if I happened to draw a 6s it would've been a bonus.
>>15280234
>I called to avoid the noten payment, if I happened to draw a 6s it would've been a bonus.
That's usually understandable, but in this scenario you had a dealer with a doubleton + another call, and with no visible dora in the table. Calling reduces the tiles you can fold with, while also reducing your will to fold since you're in the pushing mindset. Sometimes it's best to just fold.
>>15280234
Just looking at the board before the reveal, I would've said 7 sou. You keep tenpai and it's suji to the dealer who is almost certainly in tenpai.
2:0
>>15281880
make it 3.0
I'm so depressed.
2:0
I demand a rematch.
Still 2:0
3:0 now
the losses put more beers in my mouth
>>15282731
Are you the drunken master?
>>15281097
Does Sega Mahong actually say "dora kyuu"?
>>15282857
I believe it says 'dora dora' for 2 dora or the numeric value of the dora you have, but I usually play muted so I can't remember for sure. Not sure how high it goes, since you can get some ridiculous dora counts in theory, though.
>>15282803
one of those. the former
How do I get courage to fold?
>>15282857
dora hachi, and it does
i hate people. the french are the worst
>>15282954
Wrong thread?
I think I needed 1 more dora for a full Saki.
>>15282993
It's okay, I got you.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016052412gm-0089-0000-xb39595684a52&tw=0
please criticize. i only dealt 2500 points in 13 rounds and still ended fourth. luck only goes so far so i clearly fucked up in a way i'm not really noticing.
>>15283069
E1 you abandoned there really wasn't a reason to press the sex button and there was no reason to hold the 6 pin (even if you hit the 7 you are now in furiten). You would have had a 5543 the very next draw which as dealer is certainly good enough for dealer riichi.
>>15283069
>>15283092
true. i realized reaching was a mistake as soon as i did it, but didn't notice that previous mistake til now
>>15283092
E2-1 I would have bailed (it wouldn't have mattered here but still). You weren't going to make anything and dealer is obviously close to tenpai with an open hand.
Probably didn't need the sex button on E4, but that's more a playstyle choice.
South 3 there was no reason to drop the 4 man that early 2344 is a really nice shape. You dealt in anyway ignoring that the dealer already had the other 2 567 runs. Not a huge mistake because the hand was open, but still a mistake especially into the dealer while you are in 4th.
>>15283069
Your single biggest problem is your tendency to wreck your hand as soon as you reach iishanten. It's as though you've already decided on the final shape of your hand and won't accept anything else. You won't always get your ideal tenpai. Learn not to do this and you'll avoid a lot of backfired discards, and you'll be able to complete hands more often.
The next biggest problem is that you pretty clearly go on tilt when things don't go your way, and your overall tile efficiency takes a nosedive as a result. You also riichi when you shouldn't.
>>15283132
>>15283169
great advice. thanks a lot.
i'm guilty of going on tilt. i became pretty frustrated during that game and it showed. i also tend to become pretty desperate when i'm fourth, which doesn't help to get out of it.
>>15283069
>i only dealt 2500 points in 13 rounds
Yea, but you're also yakitori. You need to win a hand or two to avoid sinking. That's assuming no one fucks you royally.
>>15283069
>i only dealt 2500 points in 13 rounds
You also didn't win a single hand in 13 rounds so why wouldn't you end up in fourth place?
>3:0
I don't know why I find this so funny.
>>15284828
Super Aryan
What are your thoughts on ura suji?
It seems to be controversial but I find it useful when defending
>>15284828
>>15284828Hitler did nothing ron
Where do I see my replays?
>>15285410
You have to access the Tenhou database.
Probably easiest method. There's another method but it requires slightly more clicking and I'm about to fail this upcoming phone interview.
>>15285440
>>15285410
Meant to quote blah
>>15285444
Thanks.
>>15272524
so who won in the match of Tenhoutop vs MJAssociationPro?
>It's an "everyone gets ippatsu tsumos on hell waits while you can't even make it to tenpai" episode
>>15285660
>do nothing for the first 3/4 of the game but never deal in
>get two good hand in the last rounds
>win
>Riichi on second turn
what
Would you fold or not? WWYD?
>>15287090
East 1 and a no-yaku iishanten? Fold, even as dealer and even though shimocha can't have daisngan due to two chun in the discards.
Just let kamicha and shimocha deal into each other
>>15287090
Your have nothing worth risking. Fold. 2sou is probably safe
>>15287090
Fuck yes I'd fold, it's only east 1 and you're up against a potential dai san gen, but even if not it'd be a mangan at least, and a riichi from kamicha. Let them duke it out by themselves,
>>15287090
Fold. Is 7m safe against shimocha? That sudden 6m discard is suspicious.
>>15287090
I'd probably toss the 1m and go for a toitoi. It's still early and folding is probably the smart thing to do but I wouldn't think like that in the middle of the game.
>>15287187
>>15287180
I'd go with the 7s first. Suji and since you're holding two, it's less likely to be part of a shanpon.
>>15287195
6s is better. It's furiten for shimocha and double suji for kamicha.
>>15287090
Next time, turn the highlighter off.
Nevertheless, you're faced with a riichi and one guy who called 3 times -- two of which are sangenpai. So yea, you fold the fuck out of this one.
>>15282892
Actually, it's fear that can be used a guide towards folding. After all, you're using caution. Players who aren't scared - either through necessity or ignorance - generally don't fold.
>>15272524
>it's an 2 and 4 dan are in ippan while i'm trying to finally get my second account in jokyou episode
>>15287853
You know what you have to do.
>>15287877
2/4
Time to Q
>>15287513
But I am scared
I'm afraid that I won't win any points so I push the shit out of my hands and deal in sooner or later
>>15288290
One thing you need to realize with mahjong. You don't need to win every hand. Just the ones, that give you the best chances of scoring.
Forever 2:0
...Forever 3:0
>>15287853
Sounds like an easy episode
What rate do I need to make gains? 2.5?
>>15289127
By the way, I mean long term
>>15285540
It's not over yet, they're gonna play 2 more or something
I think ASAPIN and some other tenhou guys are leading, pros are in the middle and a couple of tenhoui are dead last
I don't know why but suddenly I just lost all my motivation and confidence in playing. I'm feeling lost.
>>15289500
Meh. Happens sometimes. I take fairly lengthy breaks from Tenhou every now and then. Helps against burnout.
>>15288950
Not that guy but it's a bit of a problem when there are borderline R1800 3 or 4 dans in ippan. I actually have to put up a bit of a fight when I just want to inflate my R as much as possible.
>>15278532
Richi, ippatsu, tsumo, ipeikou, dora 4. Hane.
Nice
>>15288295
This is elementary. If somethung looks dangerous, just give up and throw out safe tiles. A battle isnt worth the risk unless the points are high
>>15289937
>>15289937
>hane
Look again champ.
>>15289127
Depends on dan level.
You know the drill
>>15290090
Is this a trick question?
>>15290090
Push.
Haku isn't safe, but you're trailing in points and this could really turn things around with your strong wait
>>15290142
What were the chances, I wonder
>>15290182
Given the circumstances I would've probably done the same thing, you just got unlucky considering all his yaku were dora except for the riichi.
>>15290244
Dora are not yaku.
>>15272731
zawa zawa
3:0
Well shit.
Somehow managed to come back and win, but I really didn't see that one coming. Guess I could have bailed, but with only 1 call I figured he wasn't even in iishanten.
>>15292862
I don't think you really had the hand to bail. You have 7m and maybe 8m since he didn't call it. Two turns -might- buy you enough time to get more safe tiles, but it could just as likely not. Your hand wasn't looking bad, either, so being hesitant to bail is understandable.
How long does an established account last before it expires because of inactivity?
1:0
>double riichi ippatsu tsumo aka dora tanyao
Fucking lesbians ruining my games
>>15293467
>those discards
>>15293560
Chinesrahjong doesn't take them into consideration
>It's a "Guy in last wins three cheap hands to close the game without coming anywhere close to reaching third" game
It's even more frustrating than me not being able to win those hands to climb into first.
>>15293586
Then how do you defend
>>15293615
>you want to win
>too bad, here chicken hand
>>15293611
Sometimes you just want to throw in the towel Anon. No need to suffer as dealer takes his sweet time buffing his score with endless renchans.
Why would shimocha do this? There's no suji trap to speak of, people already think he's going for honitsu, and 47s wait has 1 more live tile than 4m wait.
>>15293897
My bad, 4m wait only has 3 live tiles to go out on while 47s wait has 5. Even more baffling.
>>15293897
Hora hora get dora.
>>15293897
>>15293902
No, I can't count. 4 tiles for 47s wait. I'm going to bed.
Not. This. Shit. Again.
I can hear that misery song by Green day playin.
And dem 4th place comin.
>>15293897
He was probably rushing to tenpai but drew the 4m. Would you really put down a live 4m in that situation? Two people have their hands open and your toimen hasn't put down any manzu tiles.
>>15293897
Waiting on the dora gives him Mangan instead of 7700 or 9600 (if he tsumos). Plus, dropping the dora that late into the game against two yakuhai open hands is risky because people are most likely to wait on it.
>>15293897
>people already think he's going for honitsu
He discarded 4 man tiles, what kind of honitsu is that?
>>15294382
Ron on 7s would also be 50 fu, so 9600 points. Pretty good corner case example.
>>15294483
Ron on 7s isn't 50 fu, it's 40 fu. 20 from winning hand, 16 from open 1m kan, 4 from open ton.
>>15294509
10 fu from ron
>>15294555
That's only for closed hands.
>>15294509
2 fu from pair wait.
>>15294555
You don't get any fu from ron unless your hand is closed.
>>15294579
This is correct. I guess I didn't really read what you said carefully enough, sorry.
>>15294589
Don't worry about it, friend. I should maybe have mentioned explicitly why it's 50 fu, as that is easy to overlook.
Case in point that it's a good example, though! I should save it so I don't forget it.
It seems at least one person quits per game in ippan. No wonder you have to pay to go to joukyuu before 1-kyuu, this seriously blows.
>>15294788
It is a little annoying but just focus on not coming in last when that happens. Much easier than normal, since the rager has a higher chance to deal in, in theory.
>>15294450
Guess I was thinking about earlier in the hand. When I drew the 7m, I thought he was gunning for honitsu so I turned off my brain and bailed. Need to fix that.
I fucking knew it was coming, but still
>>15295254
Why didn't you fold you double nigger.
>>15294932
Well, that player is dealer and made three calls strongly hinting honitsu. Y'can't take that for granted.
2:0
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2009072911gm-0009-0000-x52602c2fe53e&tw=1
A real man always calls riichi even when he's not in tenpai.
>>15296516
WTF WHAT THAT?
>>15297057
It was a very old bug.
I want to play with /jp/ but everyone is good, I'm scared
where I can practice and do my bad plays without being bullied? are jap apps safe?
>>15297316
http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html
Keep playing until you feel comfortable enough to play humans.
And don't fear the apps. Go ahead and install 'em.
>>15297316
Use the Game Design one, Maujong for mobile is ok too. You can even play vs computers mode on Tenhou.
As long as you know your yaku you can jump into Tenhou. Ippan (the first room) is filled with terrible players. You might need to throw away the account eventually, but you should be fine.
7447 is anywhere from high ippan to low tokujou (3rd room) depending on who is in there.
If you afraid of getting reamed by 7447 players, hold off until you can get to 1 Kyuu.
>>15297316
get an account and go to ippan (tenhou)
>>15297316
>I want to play with /jp/ but everyone is good,
Looking at the starting hand, this was really far-fetched, but I just knew it was meant to be.
>>15297401
Lucky you
This is what happened yesterday when I thought I had a sure win hand
Fuck this shit.
Every time I aimed for 1st place. Every fucking time.
>>15297836
deal in less.
>that moment when you realize god hates you and you should have kept that fucking 9s
>>15298105
>>15298105
>>15298111
Yea, you fucked up a yakuman. But don't worry about it.
>>15298252
got second place anyway (toimen disconnected during shimocha's turn as dealer in south 3 and shimocha scored big). there will be more yakuman eventually
>>15298105
You mean 9p?
>>15298067
Not sure which one be the culprit.
I've been winning 2-3% less since 3dan without much difference in deal-in rate. It went up a bit after I played recklessly.
In fact, maybe I should play even crazier. Need to get yakuman'd at least once.
>>15298580
So what's your deal in rate?
>>15298664
Somewhere around .130, I think. Winning rate ~.230
>>15298698
Lowering your rates to .100 and .200 is better in long term
>>15298733
If you like getting tsumo'd into third place or last, maybe.
>>15298739
Yeah dealing into an occasional haneman while pushing with 2 han open hand is much better
>>15298733
Dunno man. Keeping .110 was extremely painful.
But I'll learn to thankfully accept those 2nd places. That should get deal-in rate lower.
2:0 niggercunts, let's get the show started.
Guess how many points this hand was worth?
>>15299040
You played into kamicha's riichi chiitoitsu dora for mangan.
Thus, your hand is worth -8000.
>>15299092
I forgot to add in ippatsu.
>>15299092
Would be a nice story.
>>15299040
South gets a Kokushi, so 32,000.
Eternal 3:0
>2:0
Well, my final results for the MJ Grand Prix. I missed the cutoff for the current top 50 by 15 points, but I'd likely have gotten bumped off by someone else before the event ends anyway. Regardless, I'm pretty happy to have done this well.
>>15299113
why the hell would someone drop a red five on the same turn someone declares riichi? also toimen had single nan, ton and shaa, an still drops the red five!? wtf was he pushing for?
>>15300003
This lends strength to the theory that the average 7447 player is better than the average ippan player.
>>15300044
for sure
>>15300044
That goes without saying. Most ippan players have some sort of severe brain damage.
By then toimen had ragequitted, but wow.
>>15300632
I want one of these ragequitters to go back through the replay of them losing and see they missed a tenhou.
>>15300632
you can wait on the most stupid tiles when there's a ragequitter and still count on the disconnected asshole to tsumogiri that shit
>>15300697
has to have happened at some time
>>15300753
>8 people in lobby
>only 2:0
Do you people even play mahjoing or just talk about playing Mahjong?
>>15301090
I've never played mahjong I just idle in 7447 and pretend like I have.
>2:0
0:4 never
3:0
>Make new account
>First 10 games are seven 2nd and three 3rd places
Well, I guess there are not many lowest rank players with 1551 R.
3:4!
for all those tokujou players here, how much time did it take for you since you started playing to reach it?
>>15301989
3 weeks. It depends how much you play though.
>disconnect
>someone else takes my spot
Fuck fuck fuck.
>>15301989
8 months. Took me less than a month to get to 3 dan, but I was stuck there forever. I downranked once and was 1 game away from downranking a second time.
Damaten is a disgrace to humanity.
How long do you have to wait for account stats to reset? Is it a year?
>>15302330
how's that? a year without playing?
>>15302330
After 180 days your account gets deleted if you meant that?
>>15302367
>>15302375
Yeah that's what I meant. After that you can register the name again, right?
>1:0
>>15302379
>>15302375
you have to pay to not have it deleted?
>>15302661
Only if you don't play for a while.
>Barely survive and pull mangan on south 4 in two seperate games to salvage 3rd
I guess I just don't have the flow today.
>>15302680
Likely 4th place games that you salvage into 3rds are the most valuable kind.
If you have a 4-6-8 shape and discarding one of them puts you in tenpai are you supposed to discard the 4 or the 8? Also is it better on Tenhou to get mostly 1sts and 4ths rather than 2nds and 3rds?
>>15303632
4 insta-richi or 8 dama if you have no yaku/dora
>>15303632
Discarding 4 gives you a suji trap, discarding 8 lets you use a red dora if you draw it. If you don't have a sanshoku and neither 4 or 8 are dora, you should go for the one you think has the highest chance of being dealt.
In Tenhou, if you're trying to increase your Rate and rank up, getting anything but 4th place is your goal, due to it having the largest penalty.
>mfw, generally losing all week
Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>>15304432
Inb4 4th place
>オーラス, in 3rd place
>early tenpai, know I should aim for gyakuten into 2nd
>ron off of 4th place and settle for 3rd
christ i'm such a pussy
>>15304155
You'll turn it around, monkey.
>Get 4th twice yesterday
>Takes 3 1st and a 2nd to even get back to where I was
These higher dan ranks are annoying as fuck
>>15303632
Discarding 8 you can draw 7 or 3 to get a ryanmen, while discarding 4 you can only draw a 5 for a ryanmen.
If you're not going to insta-riichi you should discard 8.
I think mahjong guides for beginners should stop teaching people about suji and shit. It's honestly not that important for defense. It's far more important to know when to defend, rather than how to defend. Just dealing 100% safe tiles like furiten and impossible waits gets you so far you won't even need suji until you're experienced enough to be able to reason out defense strategies like that on your own.
I think if you start focusing on things like suji too early you'll start playing like "oh maybe I can still push this hand since the tile I need to discard is suji". That sort of thinking is what you have after you've lost 10 games and are seething with rage thinking you're gonna win back what you've lost. It's what you want to avoid. People would benefit more from advice like "betaori if someone riichi's before you".
>>15306833
>Discarding 8 you can draw 7 or 3 to get a ryanmen
If you want to be in furiten this is great advice to follow.
