How to Tenhou:
http://arcturus.su/
Tenhou
http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447
Sega MJ instructions
https://sites.google.com/site/mjnetguide/home
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>>15000813
Any newbie guide?
>>15000843
http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html
Scroll down and read the rules at the bottom. Look up yaku and furiten on arcturus, and you're good to go. Remember your hand needs one yaku to become a valid hand, and dora is not a yaku.
>>15000843
Arcturus has about everything you need.
In particular, you can start with this:
http://arcturus.su/wiki/Japanese_mahjong
http://arcturus.su/wiki/List_of_yaku
You also may play games against bots on tenhou before trying to face actual players. See how to here:
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/lobbies-games.html (See the Test Play section at the bottom. I recommend Ari Red.)
3:0
>>15000889
>>15000917
Thanks
>win one game easily
>lose right after by 2000 points because everyone had been shuffling around 20k-30k range all game
It all feels like such a waste.
>>15000954
And if reading stuff isn't your fancy. Here's your walk through:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh0brmqq4sk
2:0.
2:0
>>15001881
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016033102gm-0029-0000-62a12189&tw=1
Well, after better check in log I exaggerated a little with
>everyone keep dealing into his hand like retards
Sometimes it's hard to judge things after first check when you AGAIN lose by ippatsu tsumo haneman when you were oya. Kamicha and shimocha do nothing (that much) wrong, but toimen was still lucky bastard.
>Throwing out the live dora
I could agree with you, but I cannot. If you think about it, there were no 8m left, so the only possibility is wait on tanki/shanpon. Kamicha is unlikely, because it's almost obviously honitsu. Shimocha drop 8m already and it's unlikely that he could be on tanki/shanpon wait with yaku without riichi. My discards are weird, but it's still was unlikely that I could be in tenpai - I would agree if I call that ton before riichi, but it was after toimen's move.
>Damn. And I thought I acted too cocky sometimes.
Well, it's not so stupid in certain situations, but I think that furiten riichi is better lesbian move than this.
>>15001952
It isn't as though you played perfectly that hand either.
>If you think about it, there were no 8m left, so the only possibility is wait on tanki/shanpon.
Which is the exact kind of wait you don't want to deal the dora into? There were fully live sets of honor tiles more than half way into the round. The dora was definitely dangerous there.
>>15002096
>pic
Explain further. And if you talk about that 5s later, ryanmen 67m was still superior to lone 6s. At the moment when I get 4s it was furiten possibility if I end with 36s and ton wait. On the other side 1333s give me very good blockade on low sozu and prevent others from moving their hand without droping 12s (unless some lucky bastard don't get ankou).
About dora I explain you why it's very unlikely that anyone was in tenpai at the moment when toimen called riichi. But ok, assume that someone is waiting on shanpon/tanki. You called riichi here and two turns later draw 9m. Seems even worse to me, because you lose extra 1000 points from riichi stick. And don't even try to prove me than anyone would bail with shanpon dora here - someone else deal this way few hands earlier.
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>>15001946
>>15001947
2:0 again.
>>15002260
Not increasing uke-ire because of an easily avoidable furiten doesn't seem very smart. If you were so intent on getting the ton, you could just dump the 5/5/7p and be left with two ryanman waits. It also would have given the hand the flexibility to become open tanyao if you gave up on the ton (which would have been good to do when the 4-man was thrown rather than to wait on 2 tiles which could both be in the deal wall.)
There's nothing to indicate that no one is in tenpai at the point he riichi'd. You mentioned the 8-man being all gone, but none of the 9 was thrown out at that point. Since it's the dora, there's certainly nothing wrong with being cautious about it. On the subject of "folding," I don't have to prove shit, because your kamicha folded with a hand of equal value to one you're referring to.
You're just throwing a broken English bitch-fit because things aren't going your way when they had no damn reason to. You aren't owed a win by Tenhou, but you could have perhaps earned one by playing better.
>Doing bad
>"It's okay. I can still knock the other guy to 4th.
>The only thing that can kill me outright would be a dealer haneman tsumo.
>3rd turn dealer ippatsu haneman tsumo next hand
I'd tell you to just kill me, but I'm already dead.
>>15003417
>getting depressed over Korean legos
lol
Is there a way either in tenhou or MJ to have a private room with just two people and bots? Or another client all together?
>>15000889
>>15000917
Not that guy, but thanks for these. Played a bit if mahjong a few years ago and wanted to get back into it so this is a nice refresher, especially on yaku. Quickly got a reminder to not call everything like a retard which was helpful
>>15000636
>losing against idiots
>two 4 dan and 5
Sounds like somebody got outplayed
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016033117gm-0089-0000-0f0a07aa&tw=2
Don't play like toimen, holy shit.
Do people like this thing?
>>15004021
You mean don't deal into dama? Because that's kinda hard
>>15004042
Oh wait it was an open hand, I had a brain fart
>>15004042
He held onto the single hatsu for too long in E3 BH1. Granted, he also was really unlucky there.
Then on E3 BH2 he pushed with his cruddy hand by discarding kamicha's seat wind when it was live.
>>15004049
>>15004021
Dropping that live north into north riichi was still retarded. Sure he was down a lot but it's not like he was close to a decent tenpai and it was still E3
Man, mahjong is so fun
Almost as fun as hitting stuff with pinky toe
>>15004998
Take a break if you aren't enjoying it. It's not like there's some pot of gold you'll get if you play it long enough, and there's plenty of other games on the internet to play.
>>15004036
That's just your tile efficiency drills.
>>15004998
Okay, what is this shit?
I just lost a game where my R was 48.5 points above the table average and my R was reduced by 30 points.
Then I won a game where my R was 71 points below the table average and only gained back 26 points.
Shouldn't this be symmetrical, so I should've won back more points than I lost, since my R was across both tables below the average?
The game where I won had overall higher ranked players as well.
Also the two games were only 3 games apart, so my number of played games should be negliable here.
>>15005323
>Shouldn't this be symmetrical
afaik it depends on games played
>>15005323
If you're that curious, you can try manually plugging all the relevant numbers into the formula here:
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ids-ranks.html
change = adjustment*(base+(average table rate - own rate)/40)
adjustment = 1-(games played*0.002) if games played < 400 | 0.2 if games played >=400
base = +30/+10/-10/-30 for 1/2/3/4.
In any case, if your R is changing by 20-30 at a time, you barely have any games in the first place. So three games difference in your total could very well have a disproportionate impact.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016040102gm-0009-0000-514d936e&tw=2
I decided to go full occult with the first hand and it paid off.
>>15005655
>Full occult
No my man. You could have gone for a toitoi honitsu honroutou dora 2 with 2 yakuhai for a baiman.
>>15005696
True. I should have put my faith in the gods of mahjong.
Let's play.
>>15005923
2:0
>>15000813
>not believing in the Flow
Good job with those kans, oya.
>>15006039
I made baum a rich man.
3:0
>>15006034
>flow
Control is a much more powerful tool to work with.
>>15005655
>discarding nan instead of 9-man
You almost fucked that up.
>3:0
2:0.
2:0
>>15005655
Is this in 7447?
>>15007335
>0:4
two colon zero
Friendly reminder to learn yaku before playing in 7447
>>15007878
This really should be a part of the OP in every thread.
>>15007927
It's not that we don't want new players, generally people are helpful to beginners in these threads, at least with my personal experience. But you've gotta put a bit of work in. Otakaze pon may as well be a meme.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016040112gm-0089-0000-f988793c&tw=2
This was pretty exciting.
>>15008020
D had absolutely no reason to riichi the last hand, and had a pretty awful wait. Worked out great for you though.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016040112gm-0009-0000-6ab9e651&tw=3
A great start to the month, can't wait to get 4th in the next 4 games I play.
>>15008157
>Multiple 3 dan in ippan
>muh game winner
>>15008396
Sad.
>>15000813
>second place with 0 points, without any yakuman from dealer
well fuck
started
Rinshan doesn't work that way.
Nice start
2:0
>>15010480
Nice start, my ass, Adam.
>>15010593
Git gud Maggie.
Houou soon.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016033121gm-0029-0000-c27cfddb&tw=0
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016033121gm-0029-0000-4266c037&tw=0
Thoughts?
>>15011260
cool, gambare
79 games to get to 2nd dan. I expected a smoother ride.
>>15011260
>Those hand developments
So this is the power of houou.
>>15011636
>>15011792
That's a bot, in case someone doesn't know.
https://twitter.com/ai_mahjong
>>15011744
I know that feel. Getting to 2dan took me 70.
>>15011960
Wrong ayyyy file
>>15011792
Yes, it is.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016040205gm-00a9-0000-0f952092&tw=0
>>15012164
I don't ever want to be in the same lobby as these guys.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016040207gm-0089-0000-d230a20e&tw=3
>don't do much all game
>nearly fuck up last hand forgetting about swap calling
>noten penalty win
jej
2:0
What would YOUR bullshit mahjong superpower be?
>>15013658
>mfw, getting ron'd so much
>First Tokujou win after starting 0+1+2+7
What a way to end the hand. B almost had a kazoe yakuman.
First time I've ever actually seen a suukaikan.
>>15014574
>12 dora
Holy crackers.
>>15000813
2.4
>>15014141
I don't think that's a superpower
>>15014819
When someone can pick one out of 13 tiles and ippatsu more than 50% of the time, that has to some psychic mind power..
Holy shit, this guy needs a better connection.
>>15014590
There are 13 dora in that hand, including the aka 5-man.
Post bullshit hands
>>15011963
>>15011744
Why is my R so much lower than anyone elses, when my hand win rate and my deal-in rate both seem to be really good?
I have .244 hand win rate and .078 deal-in rate in joukyuu, yet I struggle to stay above 1700 R.
What might be the reason, please help.
>>15015340
Placing is all that matters.
>>15015340
Post your pic.
>>15015343
yes, but shouldn't placing largely depend on hand win and deal-in rate?
>>15015344
>>15015362
>Call rate .451
>1st place .222
Stop aiming for cheap kuitan. Get more agressive and aim bigger hands.
>>15015377
Aggressive as in, if you can improve your hand with more yaku, go on. Try something wider than just yakuhai/open tanyao.
Sure you won't lose many from 2nd position, but you won't get shit, either.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016040222gm-0029-0000-04b16206&tw=3
>E1-E3
Da heck?
>>15015059
>Nice double riichi. Would be a shame if something happened to it.
>>15015703
Why didn't he cut the 9p? Might as well get a tanyao while you're at it right?
>>15015723
9p is much more likely to be discarded
>>15015723
Maybe because terminals are more likely to come out than middle tiles? Still I agree that discarding 9p would've been better.
>>15015723
I would have done the same. Doesn't usually people asume terminals to be relatively safe tiles? Also especially in the first turns people tend to cut their terminals. You can't read his dicards anyway.
>>15015723
Truth be told he should've waited for an edge wait and went for the mangan instead of gambling on a tanki for double riichi.
>>15015756
I would agree with you normally but considering he's the dealer, first and foremost he should prioritize winning rather than waiting.
>>15015723
The question is - do you really want tanyao that much here? In worst case scenario this hand is worth 7700 from ron and became mangan with single ura.
With tanyao you secure 1160 from ron, but 3s is more flexible and way easier to use in other hands, so enjoy your oikake.
If you draw tsumo it really doesn't matter, because you need two ura dora to haneman, which is not worth the effort (if you ron someone else it's still mangan).
Of course you also can wait for better shape (riichi+tanyao+pinfu+dora is almost the same as this daburu and give you more winning title), but I don't think it's a bad move (and hey! It's always nice to throw daburu riichi).
>>15015833
He gets a better wait with any of these tiles:
6-8-9m
1-2-3-4-5-6-7p
5-6-8-9s
14 tile types, 56 tiles (46 when we subtract the ones he already has in his hand). The odds of drawing one of those tiles is pretty high. If all of them are in the wall it's higher than 50%, if half of them are in the other players' hands it's around 25%.
It's just way too impatient to go for a double riichi with a tanki on a number tile when you have so many ways to improve your wait. Just because 9p is a normally unwanted tile doesn't mean it's going to flow out super easily after you riichi.
>>15015900
I forgot to add 5m in there, so 50 tiles.
>>15015743
>discarding 9p would've been better.
In terms of value, yes. Regarding chances of actually winning the hand? No, because of:
>>15015742
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016040305gm-0089-0000-d75bd7da&tw=0
>Make the most retarded move in S3 and deal in
>S4 orasu with 11k points, 3rd place is 13k points up, first place is 28.5k points up
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9EN27Zh_vg
>Hit the riichi button and start praying
Never stop believing, boys.
>1+0+0+0
I should stop here this month. It's all downhill from here.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016040307gm-0089-0000-dccf25d4&tw=0
>mfw being first dealer allowed me to secure first place
I can't get out of one of the event lobbies in the tenhou client, what do I do to fix this?
>>15018063
Get out without the crack.
>it's a suji trap episode
>>15018126
>Double suji trap after riichi
We got lesbians in here.
>>15018126
>it's a forever isshanten episode
0+2+3+1
nice start ~
Anyone know if tenhou stores the links to the games you played on the browser in the cache, local storage or somewhere else?
>>15018334
Here try this
>>15018351
1+1+3+3 = 8戦
Yea. Fuck this shit.
>3+0+0+0 = 3戦
I'm too nervous to carry on
>4+11+5+5 = 25戦
Tanked it pretty hard from my decent start yesterday.
2:0
>1+1+5+5
>>15019272
>2 days
>25 hanchan
You must be some kind of madman.
In 7447 right now
2 dan
4 dan
5 dan
6 dan
>>15019359
26 now. Every month I try my best to rush to 30 games and then watch my standings drop lower and lower as more and more people reach 30 games.
I'm playing this much because I'm really procrastinating.
>>15019369
What's wrong with that?
>>15019475
Nothing, the point was if anyone wants to watch, this should be a relatively good match.
>>15019482
It was a blowout ;-;
>>15019482
>a relatively good match
And it was.
NoName is doing good this month.
Let's keep it up, legion.
>>15019781
>Noname is ahead of a 4-dan
Wow. That's a drastic turnaround from -2k points last month.
>>15019864
Where'd you get that table?
>>15020056
http://www30.atpages.jp/mojan/dbranking_all_en.php
>>15020097
that's pretty dandy
>>15020106
>>15020097
well it would be, but I keep getting cloudflare
>>15020175
forgot question
the top three is explained in the doc, but what does the bottom 4 mean?
>>15020179
Jansou rule, I think. Some yaku (aka-dora, ippatsu, etc) gets additional counter, which worth few thousands points after final calculation.
Those are bot menu, right? You can just try it yourself.
>>15020112
http://www30.atpages.jp/mojan/dbranking_all_en.php?l=L7447&m=1
>>15019864
If Kyuu didn't get his gyakuten, it'd be much higher.
>>15020413
It's not like 7447 stats mean anything, no one plays seriously and ranks are all over the place.
>>15020451
Yeah well, today's games are betaori simulator. More so than the others I played for the last 3 days.
>>15020491
Might as well play betaori simulator in ranked then.
>>15020506
UNIVERSE please. Don't get so worked up.
I'm just saying that it'd be nice to see NoName up there once in a while.
>>15019864
Oh come on. It's the monthly ranking and April just started.
>>15020528
>UNIVERSE
Don't you dare call me that ever again.
>>15020528
What did I do to deserve the GoGo treatment?
>>15020491
>>15020506
It's either betaori simulator or ippan simulator where everyone can't stop calling
Pick your poison
I feel like I've made 0 progress and I'm still terrible.
>>15020864
Is that your first account? Don't sweat it. You want to work on dealing in less, your deal-in rate is higher than your win rate.
>>15020864
do you know suji, genbutsu and other defense techniques? Use them and defend more. You'll find yourself in 4th place a lot less.
>>15020878
Most times I defend I usually don't deal in; thing is, most times I don't defend because I am stupid.
>>15020961
Defending in ippan isn't particularly important. What you need are big hands and preferably lots of them. Your problem is your really low win rate.
You either need to cut your deal in rate down, or raise your win rate. Consider calling more tiles especially if you have multiple dora in your hand.
>>15018126
>it's call riichi and deal in few turns later episode
>>15020961
You just have to learn to give up if it seems like you won't be able to complete your hand. Even if you don't win any points, someone else will usually fall behind you after getting ron'd. Avoid 4th place at all cost.
>>15021112
It's definitively important when it's plain obvious you're not gonna make it. And there are many such cases in any table.
Does anybody still play this?
I want to play, but Tenhou just seems to slow after playing this for so long.
>>15022508
Netplay never got cracked, did it? It's too bad, I would love to play aotenjou with you guys, just to see how crazy it would get.
>>15022524
Is that the only mahjong program that includes aotenjou rule?
>>15022524
Nope, that's why i imported the game.
Probably would play without powers because it makes for stupidly easy Yakuman and some are just downright broken and unfun (Yamame can fuck off with those webs)
Why would you even riichi that hand? It's already a fucking haneman.
Always have faith in gyakufuckingten.
>>15022636
>>15022636
Suji.
>>15022636
>bitching out and not getting a BYEMAN with uradora
You're the disgusting one
>>15022636
... why didn`t that guy give up on his 1p's is his fucking fault
>>15022989
Ah nevermind, it was orasu and he had low points
>>15022636
This >>15022712
The fact that 6m is in the discards makes 9m actually more likely to be played if you riichi.
>>15023063
oh wait, I'm stupid, 6m was played later.
I would think that if /jp/sies played mahjong, that there would also be threads for anons to play shiritori together. Why is there not?
>>15023101
How would that even work?
>>15023111
Couldnt one just post a word in reply to anothers word in long chains? I guess the threads would run out too fast and people would consider posts with so little text in them as "shitposting"
>>15023101
Because very few people know Japanese.
>>15023101
Shiritori is not a fun game when you have all the time to look up for words in the internet.
>>15023179
Well thats lame cheating but some people would ruin the fun by trying to be the "best".
>>15023215
With the post cooldown timer, you would be much better off doing something like that in IRC.
>>15023219
Good thinking. Makes much more sense.
>>15023101
What I'd like to play with /jp/ is something like hanafuda, but I'm down for an anonymous shiritori game on IRC.
Anyone for 2am Mahjong?
3:0
Whoever Noname is, kindly fuck off with your "only riichi" hands.
>>15023356
>>15023356
That's pinfu too. What are you whining about?
That suji was noice mate
>>15023356
>getting mad at someone else because you dealt in
Like pottery.
>>15022508
Glad there are other fumoanons that play mahjong.
2:0
Well that explains a lot.
Get back in L7447 faggots.
2:0
2:4 lads
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016040413gm-0001-0000-6eb9d551&tw=3
No one expects a chankan. I felt all giddy when I actually pulled it off.
>>15023922
>not purposely aiming for chankan
>>15023945
I'd be interested to know if that kan came before or after the riichi.
Decision time!
Discard 5p (3 live tiles) or discard 4p (4 live tiles)?
>>15024173
5p. It's only E3, plus you get sanankou by tsumo, and hatsu isn't too unlikely to come out if someone draws it.
>>15024173
Dump the 5 pin and hope you can pull a San An Kou.
>>15024173
Both waits are pretty bad so you might as well take the slightly less likely 4p Hatsu wait for san ankou or hope someone else drops the hatsu if they draw it.
>>15024173
Discard 5p because of sanankou with the suji trap to help you.
>>15024196
>Suji trap
>>15024182
>>15024185
>>15024187
>>15024196
All of you busters have a better grasp of the flow than I do. Would have been a baiman.
>>15024198
Guessing he means that since I would have 5p and 8p in my discards 2p would look safe.
>>15024198
>>15024201
Fuck I'm dumb. He's right, I misinterpreted it and thought your wait was 2p.
>>15024201
>flow
>not ippatsu
Work on it.
>>15024208
This was from the same match, so I at least got one ippatsu, sir. I'll try harder, sir.
>>15024017
>>15024305
Should have gone for concealed chin itsu instead of that riichi only hand.
>>15024346
Sometimes, going for the slower obvious big hand, means -- you're not going to get it.
Haitei Raoyue > Double Riichi
>>15024623
>haitei nomi + dora
Fuck
>>15024484
Except he'd have a tenpai as soon as he drew that 7p or if he called that 1p from south. The argument that bigger hands are too slow doesn't apply here.
Suwako wants to learn Mahjong, any anons around to show her the ropes?
>>15026626
2.0
>>15026642
3.0
>>15026015
>>15024484
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2014081622gm-0009-0000-7a5d0f55&tw=2
It's a very old game, so I didn't know much.Not that 2 years later it's getting better ;_;
>>15026626
>>15026655
Suwako seems to have learnt a valuble lesson in these games, and hopes to apply what she's learnt in future. Good games anons
2:0
>>15027465
3:0
>Ryanpeikou Junchan
Beautiful.
How to fuck everyone over with a kan.
>>15027662
In the moment, I was extremely unhappy with that kan.
>>15027540
>>15027544
KABOOM!
>>15027662
Yeah that sucked, a lot. Then I got the hell wait 3 sou and dealt in for haneman after the 3 ura dora.
That first hand just screwed my whole game up because I had to get more aggressive.
I'm curious where all the 9 sou were though.
3:4.
>>15027544
Too bad, I was still not good enough to keep the lead.
>>15027676
Corak's hand would have been a pretty nice hand too.
Another win for the NoName Alliance.
>>15027891
I've won as NoName three times tonight. Feels good
Reminder: don't quit until the very end!
>2 NoName in the same game
2:8
>>15028218
Yea, what a bunch of disgusting sub-humans.
>>15028276
NoNames that actually try to win and don't ragequit are decent people.
The problem is that it's impossible to tell the difference until it happens.
>>15028281
They look to be doing pretty well so far.
A man must riichi all his important hands, even yakuman with dead waits
>>15027544
This shit is as beautiful as a yakuman.
>>15027544
Why isn't this a yakuman?
>>15028719
Why would it be?
>>15028719
While a combination of junchan ryanpeikou can be rare... it's not rare enough to be one. Or considered to be one.
>>15028811
It's the first time I've seen a junchan ryanpeikou ever since I played a few years back. I've had a lot of daisangen and suuankou but never a junchan ryanpeikou.
>>15028820
Junchan chiniitsu is even more difficult.
remember lad, drug is bad, mess with your head.
guess i'm not gonna grind today.
3:0.
>pinfu is now a yaku
what happens?
>>15030234
*open pinfu
>>15030238
>>15030238
I stop playing this shitty game forever.
Wanna play?
>>15030234
I bring a gun to the table and enforce my own rules.
3:4
Wanna play?
>>15027544
Magnificent.
3:0
>tfw game hate you
3:0 again.
