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▶ Mega.nz Folder of Ar tonelico / Atelier goodies
mega.nz/#F!9YhnxTDD!Mjt9m1Curpa42b-AxWXvlg
Flash Cosmospheres, AT3 Yokkora fan disc and original /jp/ stuff.

▶ EXA_PICO Visual Collection
nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=782003
info: pastebin.com/UzwjkAUY

▶ Gust Memorial Cards (social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/a16v/mcard)
Countdown: mega.nz/#!9YAA0KrC!7ZkRSoRsIvr_wSEIIvUCY6CVoF7ay-gYRcA95NpWfkA
Valentine: mega.nz/#!cIonSbTT!SHJxP5keZuy-K6D3BKoQihVn3fEyIzM42ETp1AaD594
If you got a card that is not in the folders, please share them in the thread. For New Year and Christmas cards see outdated links.

▶ Miscellaneous Translations
Flash Cosmospheres, Ciel\Ar novel, etc: ar-ciel.unit03.net/
Ciel Nosurge English Story Playlist: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhWtcwZ5Bzm10RI1TElB3Dnf7kj9UoARJ
Ciel Nosurge Story Summary: unit03.net/view/Ciel_nosurge/Story

▶ Ar Tonelico for Lazy People Pack
pastebin.com/mSMzUqU4

▶ [FLAC] EXA_PICO Autistic Music Collection
nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=772205
Info: pastebin.com/Pc88NuEC

▶ [MP3] EXA_PICO Musical Collection
nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=734422
info: pastebin.com/aPxrK3zh

▶ [FLAC] C89 Gust Sampler CD
mega.nz/#!cllCwCyQ!spdeEKeXotwL6WNMHsIZr6udhNGar17oL6rq0-HJPVI

▶ [FLAC] Tagged Atelier Sophie Music (OST and Vocal, for Archives see outdated links)
mega
.nz/#!z4cXkbBa!5HALIcV5Gv8XrzaJb11f8MN4cngfYbT__O__R9Pdem4

▶ Atelier Sophie CG rip
mediafire.com/?qb3xip6o81raxpv
pw: /jp/

▶ Outdated links:
pastebin.com/X8zzKFNx

▶ Previous thread
>>14775580
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I wish I lived in a comfy peaceful world like in Sophie...
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>>14919973
Peaceful? It's full of creatures like the savage puni.
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>>14919973
Why does Sophie look so happy all the time?
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>>14921169
high on alchemy fumes
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>>14921169
Because she has a cute book girlfriend that she dresses up in cute, lewd outfits and does naughty things with every night. She definitely rims that nice little Plachta butt.
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She was an interesting character and the game was richer with her
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>>14923324
Which is supported by the JP players' opinions and also what Tsuchiya and Kawachi themselves said they had on mind when they created her for Ar tonelico II.
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>>14923324

I went with Luca my first playthrough and didn't regret it. She was really interesting, because she wasn't a nice person, and I thought the pay off was worth it, especially hearing Hartes ciel, melenas walasye in the game and just getting to see how she'd changed by the end of the game.

But I thought the great thing was you couldn't go wrong in that game. The Jakuri ending is excellent, Cloche is a great character, and Luca is a really interesting character.
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Speaking of Jakuri, after checking auction sites every day for four months, I finally found a Mir dakimakura cover. I was getting ready for a bid war, but I ended up being the only bidder.

I'm glad I didn't post about it here, fuck that one anon four months ago, I bet he doesn't even love Mir.
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Finally done with Tyria's Binary field but i have never been so frustrated with bugs. In my 40+ hour playthrough I've ran into text glitches and it even freeze up in a few times with Harvestasha Boss fight but none can compare to the audio sync in Tyria's CS3. I did all i can like restarting the game, cleaning up the disc and the problem persists!

Much to my horror Ar Nosurge has more glitches than Qoga and what's more, those glitches were "ported" over to the Vita version.
Bravo Gust.
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>>14926806
>Much to my horror Ar Nosurge has more glitches than Qoga and what's more, those glitches were "ported" over to the Vita version.
"It isn't a bug, it's a feature". The only game-breaking bug I encountered was Delta's lightning attack against a car enemy. Quite frustrating, but avoidable. Recently I started replaying it and the patch fixed quite a bit of minor errors, usually in the localization field. It's interesting what you're saying about AT3, though. The game froze only once for me (same battle) and I didn't spot other obvious bugs. Maybe some of them are "malicious" enough to show up only in certain circumstances.
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>>14926806
The audio sync issue in the JP voicebtrack is a widely known and documented NISA-introduced bug.
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Happy Birthday to Totori!
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>>14933681
the cutest
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One more.
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Happy Birthday Totori chan.
https://soundcloud.com/lolilili_tok7/totoribirthdaymix
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>>14933681
Thank you for reminding me.
Happy Birthday Totori!
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Ion really makes you want to hug her sometimes. For various reasons.
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>>14937515
Honest to god i wish i could hug her.
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>>14937515
Then why are you hugging Nay?
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Apparently the Atelier Sophie LE got leak. NISA deleted the tweet.
http://gematsu.com/2016/03/atelier-sophie-localization-news-coming-tomorrow
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koeitecmoeurope.com/news/77067/KOEI-TECMO-EUROPE-ANNOUNCES-UPCOMING-RELEASE-OF-ATELIER-SOPHIE/
PS4 and digital on vita
10th june
I'm happy kt didn't ditch vita completely at least.
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>>14939596
Still, I'd rather have a physical copy, and not consume space on the memory card.
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>>14939596
This Vita digital only shit needs to stop. I didn't buy a Vita for that.
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>>14939596
For the record, they stated on their FB page that it'll have dual audio. Guess it's time to finally buy a PS4.
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>>14939940
With the way the vita is doing in the west, plus the fact that this is a niche game, it's to be expected sadly.
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I hate to be that guy, but does anyone know where I can get the instrumental versions of La Ciel that play at the end of some of Ciel Nosurge's chapters? I can't seem to find them in the soundtracks, and my google-fu isn't helping either.
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>>14939596
I'm really looking foward to this. It's honestly looking like it could be one of the best in the series.
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>>14939968
To be fair, vita's cost for it's proprietary card is what holds back physical copies on niche games that's why they only put it on limited edition games.
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>>14940118
None of the Ra Ciel versions can't be gotten anywhere short of ripping them out from the game itself.
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>>14938215
>NISA
Fucking hell, another LE I won't get because of how overpriced they are.
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>>14917775
>▶ [FLAC] Tagged Atelier Sophie Music (OST and Vocal, for Archives see outdated links)
MP3 when?
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>>14943411
Why not just download it and then convert it? There are a ton of programs for that, I think.
Since it is lossless to lossy conversion you can even choose the quality-to-space ratio yourself.
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Does Sophie have multiple endings or just one?
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>>14948504
2, normal and true. It's really just one ending that's extended if you meet the condition for true.
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Thanks again to the anon who recommended I watch the ciel nosurge LP.

Ion is goddamn adorable.
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>>14951880
I'm sure there's someone here who has a waifu that's not Ion and played Ciel. How did it make you feel?
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>>14951880
Finished the first Chapter of the LP. Ion feels way too much like a moeblob. I prefer Cas
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>>14952777
You just wait until later, and until you see the Drama CD translations.
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So how did they change the ending in Shallie Plus? Did they add a lot of new scenes in general?
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Did we ever find out what day is Ion's birthday?
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Are there any atelier fan games?
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>>14954234
I've heard of people working on them in RPGMaker, but not of any completed projects.
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Can you guess the song?
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>>14954576
Sounds noxious so I'm guessing EP=NOVA?
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>>14954234
There is this one.
http://doujinstyle.com/archives/11052
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>>14954576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjyzkLtRHkc
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>>14954576
>>14955953
>>14956312

It's "Secret Meeting at Midnight", but without the Hymmnos parts or the spelling out of Ar tonelico.
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>>14949540
Wait, aren't there any character endings? What the fuck?
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Sophie LE pre-order is up on both NISA stores at $99 / GBP95 ... which is rather hefty, but I suppose I'll get it after all so I don't regret it later.

Kinda sad how the EU store still can't into currencies other than GBP (who cares if most of the EU uses Euro, let's go with Britbux!), and how ordering from the US store would cost me about the same.
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>>14961073
and that was supposed to be GBP 75
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>>14961073
>GBP95
That's pretty expensive since I also have to add the 300 bucks for the ps4.
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>>14939596
Fuck, I'm in the US from begin June until August.
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>>14961073
>but I suppose I'll get it after all so I don't regret it later.
I tell myself that the experience of the game/world/characters is the most valuable and not yet another crystal paperweight.

Seriously, what's up with GUST and crystal paperweights?
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>>14962205
They're simple and inexpensive while being visually appealing and useful. I saw the chest Gust sells for storing them and kind of want to get the whole set.
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So there is Krut Hymneth, which is a collection of the Ar tonelico hymns but there is nothing like that for Surge Concerto. Does that mean Surge Concerto is not over yet?
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>>14964604
No, it means that there is nothing like that for Surge Concerto.

Nonetheless, Total Command has indeed hinted at SC not being over.
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>>14964604
KH came our years after AT ended.
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>>14965044
Let's see.
Ar Tonelico 3 was released in Japan in January of 2010, while Krt Hymneth was released in February of 2013. Three years. Also the gap between AT 2 and AT3 was about two and a half years.

Ar Nosurge was released in Japan in March of 2014. So, two years ago. As you implied, too soon to tell.
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Making a collection for two games sounds silly, though
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I just noticed that Azure game comes out soon. For those who played it, is it any good?
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>>14965755
I hope it's a piece of shit as the Vita version won't be localized and I don't have a PS4.
I'm a yurifag, being unable to play this makes me so mad
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Ar Tonelico is old.
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I'm tempted to spend £75 on the Sophie LE and I don't even have a PS4. Please save me, the allure of Plachta is too much.
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>>14971368
I recently stumbled across my PS2 while cleaning, set it up to see if it's still working and noticed my AT1 savegame dating back to 2011. I couldn't believe that it's already been 5 years since I last played it.

And for some reason I ended up replaying the game, currently phase 2 on Aurica route!
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>>14965755
It's a fun, if simple, game. It really depends on how much depth you expect from a musou. Really that's all it is, is a slightly more story-focused musou. I personally enjoyed the story and thought the gameplay was fun too.

... But I also enjoyed and recommend Drakengard3 so my opinion is probably trash.
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>>14972933

make the last bit a challenge, use only items to deal damage to bosses!

it also makes those useless 00 grathnodes have some value.
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Hi Gust Thread I haven't been in here since Atelier Ayesha came out, anything new happen since then?
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>>14981107
>Hi Gust Thread I haven't been in here since Atelier Ayesha came out, anything new happen since then?
Subscribed.
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>>14982465
>>Hi Gust Thread I haven't been in here since Atelier Ayesha came out, anything new happen since then?
>Subscribed.
Nice
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A friend found this mod for CM3D2 and linked me.
http://pan.baidu.com/share/init?shareid=2587829298&uk=420814552
Password: f8cp
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>>14985355
You can't trick me! The real Ion has a different face and bigger boobs!

I'm going to get an Ion dakimakura printed on two-way tricot, that material is fucking amazing.
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>>14940118
I realized I wanted this in my own library too so I recorded it.

https://mega.nz/#!bkhDQIxJ
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>>14986237
What's the key?
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>>14985355
anon

you are the biggest hero in my life

thank you
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>>14987250
>>14988017
oops, sorry, first time trying to use mega.

https://mega.nz/#!bkhDQIxJ!xMf9Mln62XWTfquCGT4ITlDtk8wjA_GJpJ2maS39zCY
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>>14989549
Thanks, I like the horns in the latter two the most

Gettin' real sick of companies not putting all the music in the game in a soundtrack

STILL WAITING ON A OFFICIAL RELEASE OF THIS ONE, GUYS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsHhxmz4VTQ
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Any update to the visual collection yet?
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>>14981107
Atelier Escha&Logy
Atelier Shallie
Ar Nosurge
Nights of Azure and Atelier Sophie soon.
Dusk Trilogy will end with Atelier Shallie Plus.
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>>14990068

I know right? Au GuMu is my favorite track in AT3, and I'd love to know the lyrics.
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>>14990068
>>14989549

What are the horns, anyway? Reminds me of the pipes from Majora's Mask but I've been unable to place the instrument exactly
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>>14992527
Sounds like a synth based on Uillean pipes (just the chanter without the drone pipes) or some kind of hornpipe, but not a live instrument.
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>>14985355
please do not lewd the waifu
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I'm really new when it comes to Atelier games, so I was thinking is it okay to get Sophie when it releases? I have only finished Rorona Plus and I loved it, but nothing else from the series. Do I miss out anything, like story stuff, if I don't play other games before Sophie?

And yes, I will play Totori and Meruru at some point too, but I really want some nice PS4 game now too.
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tfw Best Buy got no copies of Nights of Azure that they were supposed to
>no copies in 70 miles
>we might get them in friday
Why is it so hard to have something on release day /jp/?
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>>14995392
>Why is it so hard to have something on release day /jp/?
I don't know what it's like in the states, but - as an Eurofag - when I want a physical copy of game at release day, I pre-order at amazon. Everything else is too unreliable.
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>>14995529
This is the first time I've had this issue in a long time. I should have ordered through their site but I had the cash on hand and felt like picking it up in store rather than waiting for shipping.

Shows what I know.

Anyways, is Atelier Sophie any good? I heard some features are going backwards rather than forwards.
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>>14994944
Sophie is in its own sub-series, so you shouldn't miss anything, except for one inexplicable cameo.
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>>14995646
I think Sophie is great. Time limits don't belong in a comfy game.
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>>14997234
Oh thank god. Dusk trilogy was definitely moving in the right direction, sounds like they finally went full common sense.
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>>14994944

Like >>14996825 said, it's the start of its own sub-series, since the Atelier series reboots itself every 3 games or so. Of the modern Ateliers, the three sub series are Rorona-Totori-Meruru, Ayesha-Escha&Logy-Shallie, and Sophie-[inevitable sequels because Gust will die if it goes a year without making an Atelier game], so the only games you would remotely spoil yourself for by playing are Meruru, E&L, and Shallie.

Even then, there's very little as far as important revelations/plot points that the later games spoil about the early games. The only remotely major one I can remember is that Meruru has a scene that spoils the true ending of Totori, but that's about it.
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Has anyone watched the Ar Tonelico OVA/anime?
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>>14998948
I tried, but the only subs I could find were garbage tier. I mean shit like calling Lyner "Ryna" and Shurelia something like "Sheila"
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>>14998948
I picked up what turned out to be a Chinese bootleg on ebay. Really cheap, so I didn't feel I could complain. Main problem was that the English subtitles were obviously translated from Chinese.
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>>14999213
Do not want.
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>>14999213
Are they Backstroke of the West-tier, by any chance?
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>>14999341
It has been over a year since I watched it, but I don't remember it being anywhere near that bad.
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>>14989549

Guy who asked here.
Holy shit dude, thanks! I had already given up on ever finding this!
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Really though have we realized that we've gone from Shallie's Limited Edition at $64.99 to Sophie's at $99.99. They include just about the exact same extras. How does NIS justify this jump? Even the Disgaea 5 LE was $79.99 and that was on PS4.
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>>15000984
Who cares. Just import the JP version if you're going to bother collecting games like this.
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>>15001503
Certainly my plan is to import the JP soundtrack/vocal albums, and then try to pick up a regular edition when prices drop. Especially since I don't have a PS4 yet.
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>>15001503
Literally why? It's the same shit and nearly the same price
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>>15001616
Because you want the original if you're going to collect niche Japanese games. It's not all the same things anyways.
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I just wanted to thank whichever anon recommended the Bulgarian State Television Female Choir in a previous thread. I'm loving them. Some of the songs remind me a lot of Ar Tonelico / Surge Concerto style songs.
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>>15001893
I don't know if you mean me, but I did mention them in an earlier thread. I think the one before this.
They're great, aren't they?
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>>15002695
I probably mean you, it couldn't have been too many threads ago. Yes they are great.
I think Erghan Diado is my favorite on the first Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares album.
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>>15001893
Any link? You picked my curiosity.
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>>15005628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ4LCejQg8o This is the video I tried to see if I first liked them, it's kind of a variety. I don't have any albums or anything I can share, sorry.
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>>15014262
Sorry, but your whole deal was too weird for me. I preferred watching the other couple.
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Hoy.

That damned event is over now.
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>>15006682
Thanks. Sounds good.
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>>15014748
What?
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>>15015715
That april fools shit.

Damned white theme hurt my eyes.
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>>15014483
Sorry you were an idiot that missed the whole point to the game.
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>>14923324
>>14926008
slut
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>>15016315
And here we have a fool who got caught completely into the Alfman-ruled Grand Bell propaganda bullshit.
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>>15014262
What happens if you didn't marry Ion in Ciel?
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>>15016794
Nothing. Unfortunately, that Genometrics scenario doesn't change at all regardless of what you did in Ciel or if you even are played a SekaiLinked game. It'd have been great they had added an extra dialogue option for when Ion started her "You don't understand me!" tirade for us that even accompanied her during the time she was depressed in Ciel.
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>>15014262
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Lilysse is fat. Fat!
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Is there a Nights of Azure visual art book or something to that effect? I really want one. I recall seeing some rip of cgs and character designs or something a while back but I never saved it
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>>15023493
Some of the Japanese editions included an "official visual book". as part of the package.

NISA's limited edition may have had a small art book, but since the edition sold out, they no longer list it in their store.
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>>15023831
I should add that there is (in Japan) an official strategy guide that you can buy. It probably has some art in it, but I've never bought any of Gust's guide books, so I'm not sure.
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>>15023831
So it seems NISA's LE came with a 40-page book. Anyone know if that is the same one as the jp "official visual book"?
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>>15023980
It's 48 pages A4
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Is there a scan of the art book?
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So I'm stupid, I had no idea Rigveda was actually a thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WE31HXbnHw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rig_Veda
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>>15030277

Did you know Metempsychosis is a thing too? I didn't for a long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metempsychosis
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>>15030277
>>15031174
Holy shit really?

>Metempsychosis (Greek: μετεμψύχωσις) is a philosophical term in the Greek language referring to transmigration of the soul, especially its reincarnation after death

I guess that name was aptly used.
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By the way, I just noticed on CDJapan, they're taking special orders for Shikata's upcoming album caTra. 3854 or 3954 yen depending on which version you order. There isn't much of a description, other than the 3954 yen one having a clear file and a bonus cd. I have no idea what the 3854 yen one contains.
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>>15034947
I've been waiting so long for that thing to finally drop. Hope it's good
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>>15034947
http://shikata-shop.com/?pid=99134529 is the 3854 yen one. You don't even need a proxy, a forwarder works.
Would probably work with a forwarder on animate as well, http://www.animate-onlineshop.jp/pd/1381835/.
But if you just wanna go the simple way and pay a bit extra cdjapan works.
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>>15035915
I already bought it from them, so I'll stick with CDJapan, but thanks for letting me know. I'll remember this for next time.
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Sophie art book is up on preorder on amazon jp.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/477580975X/
Release date 2016-04-15, have I just missed it or is announcement/preorder coming late?
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>>15039434
A book full of book art?
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I made a zip with all the miscellaneous CielNo goodies available at a 2012 event.
It's missing ciel_windows_mousecursor_02.zip, though.
It has six wallpapers which I don't know if they're are available elsewhere. Maybe Visual Collection Anon can check/benefit from this.
https://mega.nz/#!OdVT0SCJ!o7H3WaT58yjKfoNPfulVLzFqRyIY7D79hON9xnp0R6I
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>>15023493
>but I never saved it
Well, go ahead and save them then.

>>14180398
>>14183564
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>>15039434
I've been checking everyday to see if they update it with the cover art.
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>>15030277
>>15031174
And SOL=FAGE is Solfege
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How long does Sophie take place over? They removed the time limit but isn't there still a calendar? I really don't want the next game to be long after it since I'm worried about character ages. I don't want Sophie and Plachta to be over 20 in the last game.
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>>15042137
Only in the NISA version. There lots of things pointing that the song's name is actually pure Hymmnos, so it would be Sol Fage.
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>>15042560
I don't have a concordance handy. Does "fage" appear before At Tonelico 2, or not?
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>>15042621
(I meant as a Hymmnos word.)
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>>15042621
It doesn't, but given "sol" has always been a Hymmnos word, and the equals sign in a song name implies a separation space, it should be obvious it isn't intended to be the word Solfege.
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>>15042801
It should be obvious that it was created to reference that word, though, as a kind of a multilingual pun.
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>>15042801
considering Rig=veda also exists
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>>15042875
I don't see how, since the word has no relationship to what the word does.

>>15044924
In-history both songs were made centuries apart and by completely different people. Also, Rig Veda's name does seem to at least have some connection to what the lyrics state and what it does.
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>>15030277
>>15031174
Nice find.
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>>14990706
I'm sorry, I've been extemely busy IRL. The collection still updates slowly day by day, though, so I will inform, when everything will be ready.

>>15040991
I can definitely benefit from this, excellent work, anon, thank you.

>>14989549
This is amazing too. I will add this to Music Collection.
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>>14921169
Might just be trying really hard to be in good spirits. A bit like Shallote.
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Catra was released

Who's going to upload it?

Goddamn I don't want to live in Japan but I would have ran 10+ miles to the store for it.
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>>15023493
Gust needs to put out an artbook already.
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What is it with Nipps and their love for authority figures? It's clear that Ion is the avatar of the writer with her "ideals" and the writing for the scenarios to reinforce them, but still.

Watching Ion in chapters 4 and 5 is absolutely painful, and it goes deeper than poor writing. Ion throwing away the lives of everybody around her because Ion trusts the authority figure more than the people risking their lives to save her, even after she just about catches said authority figure red handed is something I can let pass once - she was young and naive, and then she should learn a valuable lesson... Only she doesn't, and instead does it again and AGAIN.

Does she get better in Ar noSurge,?please tell me she was locked in the box long enough to learn a valuable lesson. pls, If Ion is this painful to watch, I will probably have trouble with coordination in combat due to the amount of alcohol I will need to be able to stand it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSs9TZeh9wQ

First song is weird but the others are pretty great
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>>15058029
I'm actually a little disappointed
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>>15057708

Watch dramaCD translation - you'll see why Ion behaves this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJBZJR47Bqg&list=PLhWtcwZ5Bzm10RI1TElB3Dnf7kj9UoARJ&index=141
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>>15058096
Ye it's still underwhelming compared to her previous albums, and the quantity doesn't help. Though I hope this is because she's been working on Surge 3
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>>15058145
Do we know if there even is going to be another Surge?
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>>15057708
>It's clear that Ion is the avatar of the writer
Uh, you really need to back up that kind of claim.

>Ion throwing away the lives of everybody around her because Ion trusts the authority figure more than the people risking their lives to save her
It's not about her trusting the authority figure, but about trusting other people in general. i.e., trusting that everyone means well at heart, that all lives are important, etc.

And she was right, in a way. None of the characters in Ciel are black-and-white evil, and that's the point.
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>>15057708
Why don't you check out the drama CD that shows her past before spouting bullshit?

>>15058306
>None of the characters in Ciel are black-and-white evil, and that's the point.

Mostly agree, but... I can't think that's the case for Revelt.
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>>15058281
A light novel set at the time Nei Yuuki was about to be summoned to Ra Ciela releases next month, and Tsuchiya stated there are Surge Concerto-related developments coming during this year.
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>>15058306
>None of the characters in Ciel are black-and-white evil, and that's the point.

That's a common theme in Gust games, really- there are very few actual "evil" characters, and the ones who are generally aren't the main villains. Arland and Dusk's final bosses generally were forces of nature more than characters, Ar Tonelico 1's final boss is redeemed in its true ending, Ar Tonelico 2 is basically you kicking the asses of a series of people who want to save the world in "wrong" ways before you save it the "right" way, and Ar Tonelico 3's final battle is basically you healing the final boss.

That said, Nosurge is probably the game(s) with the clearest villains. Of the main ones Nelo's made out to be sympathetic enough, but Zill pulls way too much shit to be seen as anything but completely fucking evil- when you fight and beat her and Nelo early on in Ar Nosurge and she goes "well yeah you're trying to save humanity just like I am so I'll let you go" I wanted the dialogue option to scream "HEY REMEMBER THAT TIME ZILL KIND OF GOT HER WAY AND IT FUCKED THINGS UP SO BAD NAY HAD TO REVERSE TIME IN ORDER TO FIX IT?" And then of course there's The Neckbeard Who Interdimends Into Prim.
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>>15059584
>Zill pulls way too much shit to be seen as anything but completely fucking evil
I don't think so. Zill's philosophy are that people are stupid and malicious and it's better if we became a hivemind. There are lots of philosophers who have explored that idea, so I wouldn't call it evil, even if it's someone most people would disagree with.

>The Neckbeard Who Interdimends Into Prim.
That Neckbeard is most player of most video games. If you took the Bad End, then it's you too. Are you completely fucking evil?
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>>15059607
>I don't think so. Zill's philosophy are that people are stupid and malicious and it's better if we became a hivemind. There are lots of philosophers who have explored that idea, so I wouldn't call it evil, even if it's someone most people would disagree with.

Yeah but then:
>>15059584
>"HEY REMEMBER THAT TIME ZILL KIND OF GOT HER WAY AND IT FUCKED THINGS UP SO BAD NAY HAD TO REVERSE TIME IN ORDER TO FIX IT?"

I'd probably chain her to the wall somewhere if I had half a chance
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>>15059862
>I'd probably chain her to the wall somewhere if I had half a chance

Good luck doing that to an Incarnate then.
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>>15059862
>"HEY REMEMBER THAT TIME ZILL KIND OF GOT HER WAY AND IT FUCKED THINGS UP SO BAD NAY HAD TO REVERSE TIME IN ORDER TO FIX IT?"
That was totally Nero's fault.

>I'd probably chain her to the wall somewhere if I had half a chance
That's kind of kinky anon.
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>>15059928
Then slap a ball gag on her and videotape it for the abandonment BDSM perverts
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>>15060105
As if they needed to actually have their mouths unobstructed for song magic to be used. Why else do you think that natural Incarnates were so rare and so feared by the humans?
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>>15060158
>Why else do you think that natural Incarnates were so rare and so feared by the humans?
Cause it was a wild animal that could use magic by itself

If I saw a dog that could summon a bigger dog made of fire I'd be afraid of it too
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>>15065154
Incarnates have always been humans that can use Song Magic with no outside support by definition (ie: they always have a human form, not that of any other creature). No other class of Genom can use Song Magic without synchronizing with a human.
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>>15065657
Incarnates are not "humans" though. They are "humanoid" genomes. Much like how Prim was quite obviously not human, but humanoid.

The core definition of Incarnate is "A genom, typically humanoid, with a set of vocal chords capable of producing song." Or most simply, any genom that could sing.

Look at Cosal. Basically, while >>15065154 isn't totally on point, he's close enough.

>If I saw a *dog-like man* that could summon a bigger dog made of fire I'd be afraid of it too

>>15060158
So yeah, they do need their mouths to sing, it's part of the trick. IMO, I think >>15060105 was going for more of a "Dungeon hijinks with Chimon-Sensei" with the ball-gag, not a "Stop her from singing" sort of deal.
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>>15059970
>That was totally Nero's fault.
My Little 8th Dimension Sister Can't Be This Naughty
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>>15065820
Nah, I was talking about stoping her from singing.

The BDSM filming was just for a larf
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>>15065820
That leaves Undu out of the picture then, who looks completely human in Ar nosurge, and if the way he worked in the Genomirai days means anything, it means he also looked human enough back then that he could also pass off for a human before anyone.

And Cosal doesn't really count because he was over 10000 years without a body, and the lion-like body he has in Ar nosurge was actually made for him when yal fii-ne noh-iar; was sung so he wouldn't need to keep himself anchored to Kanon. Therefore, he doesn't count as a true natural Incarnate.

Also, the air vibrations emitted by the mouth aren't significant for the casting of Song Magic as long as the vocal chords are still moving, similarly to how in Ar tonelico even mute Reyvateils are capable of singing Song Magic. They after all emit the waves necessary for the song to manifest its effects in other ways that have nothing to do with normal singing and speaking.
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>>15066084
Wait, Undu is an incarnate? And not an artificial one like Cass and Sarly?

I like how that never came up at all in Ar
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>>15066270
Wasn't Undu basically just a soul in Nero's body in Ciel?

They never state it outright, but were there ever any artifical humans in the setting or just Sharl?
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Dammit GUST

http://www.siliconera.com/2016/04/12/gusts-playstation-vita-social-rpg-chronos-materia-gets-cancelled/
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>>15067079
Finally RIP.
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>>15066270

It came up in Ciel when he first manifested from Nero's body.

>>15066335

But before Nero absorbed him by forcing an unbreakable synchronization, he was a human-shaped Genom. Just check the Genomirai Project article and the Truth About Kanon articles from the World Settings Documents Wiki.
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>>15066335
And Nero's body is an artificial human that was made and cultivated especially for her.
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>>15067079

I'm not at all surprised, but I'm still disappointed.
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>>15067079
Would rather have this over Atelier t b h
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>>15066084
We don't know what Undu looked like back in the Old Genomirai Labs days, but remember that Genomirai was actually started by the Chimon so having genom working there would not have been abnormal.

Regardless of how human he seemed, everyone was aware he was a genom, there was no subterfuge involve in that aspect.

>>15066335
Like >>15068248 mentions, there's some suggestion that cultivating bodies was possible, but the rest of the story suggests that transferring souls was the hard/untested part. And sharls are an entirely separate matter because they're artificial genom as opposed to humans, which is why Clacket was so impressed that Zill's research was "10 years beyond anything the Chimon researchers had managed yet."
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Nights of Azure, not so good. I wouldn't mind the mediocre battle system if they'd given us fleshed out world/characters, but they're pretty meh thus far. Disappointing.
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>>15079594
That's a shame, it looked good from the prerelease videos.

Lately, I'm really enjoying Sophie's soundtrack, even more than Surge Concerto (special songs aside). SC's OST isn't outstanding (again, special songs aside), but Sophie's full OST is just so fucking good.
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>>15080487
Say that to the mostly Shikata-composed Ciel nosurge soundtrack.
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The more I listen to Catra the more I like it

Except エルーシア

エルーシア is trash
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>>15081468
But that song had a good chorus
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>>15079594
i loved nights of azure because it was like playing castlevania: curse of darkness except with Gust art/music/girls
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>>15067079
>their “social RPG” for PlayStation Vita
Not a big loss, considering that it would never get released in English anyway. Still, hopefully it wasn't the thing Tsuchiya vowed to "fight with his life on the line" for in 2016.

On an unrelated matter, IF compressed images in Cross Edge with some variant of RLE I'm not familiar with, which is likely custom, since none of the tools I have can decompress it. Apparently they started to use common image formats I expected to see there later. The least worthless of uncompressed images are BGs, but none of them are AT-/Atelier-related.
I'll ask around for that RLE, but I'm not promising anything about CE CG rips.
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>>15084884
>Not a big loss, considering that it would never get released in English anyway.
Hey, Anon, I didn't learn Japanese to not care about things just because they won't get an English release.
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>>15084884
>Not a big loss, considering that it would never get released in English anyway.
I think not learning Jap is a big loss if you're in any way invested in anime/manga/Jap games. You can't not know Japanese and get any further than normalfag level.
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What day is Nei Yuuki's birthday?
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>>15088181
Dunno. But her abduction day anniversary is coming up this week.
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>>15040991
How do you install the screensavers? Just get an error when I try.
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>>15095488
Figured it out, had to install flash player 10 to get it to work.
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>>15092035
Hmm, I get the feeling that isn't an anniversary she'd want to celebrate...
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>>15096406
Does Ion remember getting exploded?
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>>15096406
Yeah, probably not, considering she intentionally left the 21st off of her calendar.
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Listening to caTra right now. Loving it. About the "data_analysis" page: what's with the errors below some characters? Do those not correspond to the English alphabet or are they not being disclosed?
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For European PSN account owners only.
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>>15102205
Wow, first time I've seen them go on sale in Europe.
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>>15098727

I want to lick Ion's emotional scars.
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>>15104625
Doesn't Nay technically get to do that?
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>>15105115
Why did she want to go back, again?
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Ion just told me that it's tedious to use forks and knives and it would be easier if everything was cut already. Japs sure are weird.
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>>15109691
Cutting food up can be nice though.
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I think it's interesting how Ion is the only girl in Ar nosurge who can't sing by herself. Sarly, Kanon, Zill, Casty, Nero are all Incarnates
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>>15111621
Nero and Kanon can't sing by themselves either. Notice all the times Nero fights she has Zill or Prim with her, while Kanon explicitly needs a Genom (Cosal or Nay) to sing.
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>>15109691
>tedious to use forks and knives

Wut.

I can't for the life of me use chopsticks.
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So is there version of the drama CDs in movie format? You know, drama CD plays, static images display on screen, translated text shows up as subtitles type deal?
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>>15114660
Currently, the only ones that have that format are the ones for Ion's voice disc and her Genomirai profile disc.
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>>15114934
> Ion's voice disc
You mean Ion's last message? Somebody uploaded theirs? Where? I need this.
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>>15114983
Aren't those personalized? I doubt anyone would upload theirs.
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>>15114983
The voice disc is a drama CD that came enclosed with the online version's Agent Pack, and it's a completely different thing from the Last Message disc.
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>>15115029
Yeah Last Message is personalized to a degree. The tracks included are based on your Ciel data, Kind of an A or B for track n. Some tracks only were included if you triggered specific conversations, etc. None of that is too extremely personalized, but...

The first few seconds of track one, when Ion says your name is magic.

I'll never upload mine at least.

I think about translating the rest of the genomirai profile CDs, but it's so much work. And then there's the Chiel no Churge drama CDs too.
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>>15116009
>when Ion says your name is magic

FUCK

I'll never know this feeling.
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>>15116009
>I think about translating the rest of the genomirai profile CDs, but it's so much work. And then there's the Chiel no Churge drama CDs too.
I don't think I've ever seen this. Is there an archive somewhere where this stuff is uploaded?
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>>15102205
Thanks, bought E&L Plus.
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Is Gust okay? They're out of things to port to Vita, but no sign of any new announcements since Sophie
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Happy Ciel nosurge release anniversary!
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>>15126481
Announcements will be coming soon.
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Was Logy always so huge? He towers over everyone in Sophie.
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>>15130174
The camera switching to first person view when Sophie talks to him and other people really made me feel like a cute short alchemist girl
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>>15130433
If only I had a Prachta too
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>>15116982
The profile CDs are expanded versions of the web profile audio logs on the Ciel homepage. You can still get them on Gust Shop.

The Chiel Nochurge drama CDs are long gone though. They feature the cast as school kids with Ion as the teacher and Greicoff as the principle.
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>>15132325
>The Chiel Nochurge drama CDs are long gone though. They feature the cast as school kids with Ion as the teacher and Greicoff as the principle.
Damn, that sounds cute. Well, it can't be helped it nobody uploads it.
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For those who are still looking to buy Ar nosurge Plus. (US store)
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>>15134566
Hmmm

As good a time as any, I suppose.
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http://gematsu.com/2016/04/atelier-studio-gust-developing-new-ip
Atelier Sophie has sold 170,000 in Japan and Asia.
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>>15141698
Is it possible to play through Ciel nosurge for a year and then Ar nosurge and not waifu Ion?
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>>15142175
Only if you have no soul.
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>>15140251
>new IP

I just want more cute, young female protagonists and yuri. Also no cowtits either. So basically just more Atelier since Sophie was great. Wasn't interested in Yoru so hopefully this new IP will be better.
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>>15133828
https://mega.nz/#!r0Q2XSZT!kSV7FS8d6BSx7xjaMRMAKazZWcaHN_lfWRPLCML245U
https://mega.nz/#!C5gjwSRB!XUJJ9mJNHIyqiAtvtJ4sb-hZIwwHO0kB3FOMor8uyFc
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Are there any particularly broken weapon trait combinations in Sophie? I got my infinite insta kill bombs thanks to Cornelia but that doesn't help with bosses.
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Does anyone know if there's any place I could still buy a physical copy of stellatram's "Hymmnos Chronicle"?
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>>15146561
Not particularly. Just max your quality and slap ++ offensive traits on everything.
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>>15145213

I love you, anon.
So far I have:

- Three tracks from Agent Pack CD Drama
- Ion's Audiofile (the day Ion became Ion)
- And now this too

Anything else I'm missing from Ciel Dramas?
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>>15146888
The audiofiles for Cas, Kanon and Nay.
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>>15146888
>>15146900
Filament Star as well. There's the yt translation but he didn't include track 1 or 3, just the readalong.
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Anyone know where I can download MK1 in japanese? I bought MK2 on the japanese psn but they don't even have the PSP version of MK1.
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>>15150690
They probably wiped it from existence because the port was so bad
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>>15150690
Google 128bit NTSC-J PS2.
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has anyone managed to rip the character models from Ar nosurge yet?

I wanna try throwing Ion's model into Unity so I can see her face to face in VR
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Sophie artbook shipped today, however I doubt it made it's way out of japan which means it stuck there until friday at least.
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>>15158029
There are some rips of them floating around the net.
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>>15160139
Well, found some on deviantArt of all places. Not rigged or anything so no animation, but it imported into Unity just fine apart from her eye textures being weird. Now I just need the HMD to arrive...

Also I have no idea if 1.55 units or 155 units corresponds to 155cm, so I may have a normal Ion and a tiny Ion, or a normal Ion and a giant Ion

>>15160947
Thanks. That was real helpful.
If you can't tell, that was sarcastic
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>>15158029
Most likely, although I didn't verify that myself since I'm not really interested in 3D models.

http://www.xnalara.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1001
Try it and report back. I've seen a few similar requests in these threads, so there must be someone else around here interested in that stuff.
You'll have to find a way to import stuff from Blender into Unity yourself, or so it seems.
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>>15165231
Fuck yourself.
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>>15165231
I knew 155cm was short, but man Ion is adorably tiny!

God, and Cass and Nay are even shorter...
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>>15165231
I remember there being an MMD deviantart user that uploaded some rigged Ion and Prim MMD models. Maybe that'd be useful.
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>>15146900
>>15147073
Thank you. Got Filament Star.
Unfortunately, I have no idea where to download the rest of audiofiles, unless those who do Ciel on Youtube will upload them as well.
So I will wait a little bit more before updating the Music Collection.

One more thing. Sometime later in May I will order Cosmocrystal myself, since still no one has uploaded it. It will be an autistic way, since I live in an area with tons of international restrictions, but I will try anyway.
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>>15183244
Huh? Where you from?
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