What killed Japan?
Literally anime.
Population decline isn't a bad thing. It means a higher quality of life. It will find equilibrium somewhere down the road.
Why do people think a smaller population is bad?
>>14341937
Nothing? It's not dead.
>>14341948
Pretty much.
Smaller population is a good thing for an already overcrowded island.
Japan's real problem is it's aging population.
Lots of old people but not enough youngsters to support their retirements.
>>14341948
Well the short term issues of sustainability are not easy to solve, especially now that the people that come from baby booms are living longer than any people before.
But as said it is a short term issue, as soon as those "bumps" are dead and no more such bumps occur, it's not a problem anymore.
Also we generally think growth is good, this also in economy where growth is somehow supposed to last eternally.
>>14341963
>Japan's real problem is it's aging population.
>Lots of old people but not enough youngsters to support their retirements.
That's a consequence of a declining population though.
literally only weeaboos and japanese nationalists actually think this is a bad thing
>>14342002
And the BBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRiWdHLtqdA
>>14341979
No, that's a consequence of declining birth rates, not population.
If old farts started kicking the bucket left and right, that would also be a population decline, but it wouldn't be that much of a problem.
Even if the population got cut if half over the years, as long as ratio of young:old stayed the same, that would not be the problem.
>>14341937
Not to mention by 2100, we'll probably be able to create synthetic human bodies to which we'll be able to transfer our conciousness, or just upload our minds to the internet, so this chart is irrelevant.
This thread is such a fucking pile of shit. I'm glad you are shut in nerds and not people of importance in the real word. You better not vote and pollute the results with your stupidity.
>>14342012
And VICE.
>>14341948
Why do you think?
>>14341948
This so much.
Just because 3rd world is breeding like rats don't mean everybody should.
>>14341948
For one, because humans have an innate drive to grow and increase population. For the other, because economies are based upon growth. Less people means less workers and less consumers. However, this second worry is short-sighted because a small population drop frees up room to grow again. Sure, their economy will take a hit, but eventually it will recover, and there will be fewer retired people draining resources when it is in the recovery process.
>>14342075
Japan has a post industrial economy. It doesn't matter much what size the population is (within reason).
>>14342023
>transfer our conciousness, or just upload our minds to the internet
>>14342023
>No, that's a consequence of declining birth rates, not population.
You know that the decline of birth rates has a consequence the decline of the population right? The other cause would be suicide and short lifespawn and nobody means that while talking about the decline of the population while referring to a non third world country.
The dissolution of male rewards and values in its post WWII society, leaving males with all the traditional societal expectations of work and providing their family, but none of the self-worth and importance accompanying it.
This, and huge social pressure to become a working cog in society, made the traditional male role increasingly difficult to uphold, and even when upheld, increasingly leading to general dissatisfaction. This, in turn, has created a generation of people uninterested in traditional male roles, following the logic that if they get none of the benefit of being a 24x7 slave worker (not even the admiration of society), they simply have no need to actually play this fairly one sided game.
Though I can't shame them for not playing a losing game, this is a highly destructive behavior as they are left with all the male impulses but none of the self-worth and social worth of being a working, productive male. This lead to them living in denial of their own masculinity and in fairly standard femininity fetishization. You can see it the cult of neotenic characters in Touhou, for instance, the blatant kawaii culture, and the booming pornography market.
>>14342175
This is dumb and wrong.
>>14342186
You're dumb and wrong.
>>14342175
>this is a highly destructive behavior as they are left with all the male impulses but none of the self-worth and social worth of being a working, productive male. This lead to them living in denial of their own masculinity and in fairly standard femininity fetishization. You can see it the cult of neotenic characters in Touhou, for instance, the blatant kawaii culture, and the booming pornography market.
And thank fuck for that.
Otherwise we wouldn't have all our perfect 2D waifus.
>>14342175
Working has always sucked ass. Except fifty years ago there was nothing fun to do except go out and meet girls, and if you didn't work hard and start a family you'd die poor and alone.
In this day and age people don't need each other to live anymore.
>>14342186
On the contrary, this is fairly standard and well understood process, as it goes. Several other western countries have the exact same problem (the first thing that goes down is the rate of marriage), though none has taken it as far as Japan did.
Pic related is both a consequence and a telling of the dissolution of these values. Shinji Ikari (who is frequently taken as a blue print for MCs these days) is the perfect example of a character having lost all traditional male values: he's useless, a cry baby, not very bright, lost all agency long ago, and the women in his lives are both cleverer, more powerful, and/or act more than him. In traditional gender roles, Shinji has absolutely zero worth. He's not a woman (and thus, has none of the inherent values of being a woman), and he's not a 'true man' either. He's nothing, he is worth nothing.
Shinji had a such big success as a character because otaku identify with him. They, too, abandoned traditional societal expectations to live in the sidelines. Again, I don't judge them. The dices aren't loaded in their favour.
>>14341977
They are easy to solve, ease back on immigration restrictions. Simple solution. Will the government do it? No, they are retarded, hell, they are okay with being America's military pawn internationally now.
>>14342260
>They are easy to solve
The entire point >>14341948 was making was that that population decline may be a long-term good with a short-term cost. Your solution nukes both.
>>14342237
Hmmm. Do you realize that's a cartoon, right?
>>14341937
Just the same that killed us germans....losing the war.
>>14341948
Leads to mass imigration, losing your culture slowly etc.
>>14342237
Sources?
Japan still has a very patriarchal society.
>>14342266
Are you even looking at the comment I am replying to?
>>14342282
Not really, they can put a cap on the amount of people they allow in, easing restrictions does not mean that they end up allowing everyone and anyone in
The real problem is that virtue is dead and everything in modern society is worthless. We have all become commodities.
>>14342291
>Are you even looking at the comment I am replying to?
Yes. He replied to someone saying that population decline was fine, and mentioned that there would be major but tractable short-term problems.
>>14342282
Japan's military geniuses wrote checks their industrial base couldn't cash. Everything they got was due to their own relentless stupidity.
Hey why dont we send the refugees from europe to japan? that way the population will stop falling
>>14342291
>Not really, they can put a cap on the amount of people they allow in, easing restrictions does not mean that they end up allowing everyone and anyone in
Look at Germany. Your argument is invalid.
When they need people they will get them in there, they only wont if their politcians actually care about their own culture and people
>>14341963
Is that really a problem?
Productivity per man hour is continually skyrocketing
>>14342282
It's already happening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBuVIq16O0A
>>14342308
"Japan's first taste of cultural enrichment."
The japanese don't even know whats going to happen...it's like the connection in Germany. Turkish people protest and fight against Kurdish people, without even living in Turkey. It makes no sense, it's just a mudslim idiotic behaviour and the hate of this conflict spreads in to regions which has nothing todo with it.
>>14342308
Context on this? What the hell are those kebab subhumans protesting for?
>>14342282
France and Britain technically won the war, Sweden didn't even participate, they're all get fucked just the same as in Germany. Also smaller population does not require mass immigration if the politicians don't have their heads completely lodged in their own asses.
>>14342303
Because they should handle it the same way as Germany?
>your argument is invalid meme
just go back to reddit already
>>14342083
Needs a merchant shoop for the knife guy.
>>14342237
>inherent values of being a woman
this thread is full of idiots that believe things like this actually exist kek
>>14342329
>>14342336
Probably pro-AKP and anti-AKP people got into a brawl. Turkey right now is at a major political crossroads, with accusations of terrorism and corruption abound, so probably even expats are in high tensions about it.
>>14342351
Everybody wants to protect a girl, the real problem being that these "inherent values" start evaporating by the time you're 25 and disappear completely shortly after that.
>>14342351
they do though, their are specific expectations of each gender. Put aside your 3rd wave feminism for a moment and youll see traditional values still exsist
>>14342339
>just go back to reddit already
Fagget youre on /jp/ dont talk shit about reddit to me
>>14342376
holy shitt
>>14342175
>This lead to them living in denial of their own masculinity
Mascullinity has been seen like something wrong since about 50 years ago, not nly in japan but everywere
>the blatant kawaii culture
unlike westerns jaanese man don't ferar cute/femenine things, look at the crossdresers in kabuki
>and the booming pornography market.
not just japan, 40% of the films worldwide are Porn.
>>14341937
>hurrrr the population's current rate of growth/decay is going to be constant
Social issues do not work like that.
>>14342351
hunters and gatherers are a mere invention of the patriarchy right?
>>14342536
> le Paytreearkey
>>14342271
EVA is japanese culture at this point, not just otaku culture.
>>14342602
Pretty much this, it's fucking everywhere you go in Tokyo, ads, statues, promotional items, etc.
>>14342534
When 2110 hits and these numbers are accurate you better be ready with an apology.
>>14341937
The white devils
>>14342625
>tfw /pol/ redpilled you on hiroshima/nagasaki and it was that faggot einstein and his zionist friends the ones who pestered the burger government to drop an A-bomb on japan despite japan almost begging to sign a peace treaty after failing their naval campaign and the attack on pearl harbor
I want to fall asleep and never wake up.
>>14342650
>tfw /pol/ redpilled you
Sleep for an eternity.
>>14342658
>implying what he said wasn't true
>>14342687
If he got "redpilled" it was probably by reading a stupid infographic or an article or two, starting from a position of near-zero knowledge on Imperial Japan.
It's possible that he actually sat down and did his research properly afterwards, but I doubt anybody who greentexts about how /pol/ taught them that Japan was "begging for a peace treaty" bothers with that.
>>14342703
I watched this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc
and was redpilled on the current refugee / muslim status in europe, redpilling isnt always misinformed shit
>>14342725
Not everything /pol/ says is retarded, but if /pol/ manages to "redpill" you on anything you almost certainly never bothered doing your own political research prior to it.
>>14342725
Is this any good? Kind of interested
>>14342763
its really worth the watch. Im not a /pol/tard or anything nor am i the guy talking about einstein but it really shows you the current state of "refugess / immigrants" in europe. its quite disgusting that any of this is tolerated.
>>14342773
The current shitfest in Syria was created because the West is made entirely of meddling but incompetent moralists.
As a non-European I'm laughing all the way home.
>>14342725
>>14342763
These kind of videos may be a good eye opener to some of the problems, but if you actually take these type of videos as a balanced view of the refugee issue, I think you have a problem. Yes one can say that some of the liberals are just as delusioned with their heads in the sand, but still.
Anyway the discussion has opened a lot during the past year. You're not taken for a racist if you're critical of immigration (unless you express yourself like a fucking idiot).
>>14342773
>20 min
Not too long, I'll definitely watch it soon.
>>14342779
You better hope Japan accept refugees :3
>>14342779
May i point out its american problem that eurpoe has to to deal with
>>14342812
There is nothing Europe can possess which America cannot take away.
>>14342812
History started on January 20, 2001.
>>14342260
>ease back on immigration restrictions
The sole thing which makes Japan unique is its isolation. Start taking in Indonesians, Jamaicans and Mexicans and the country will lose all of its essence.
>>14342819
The problem with conquest is that it always spreads the conqueror too thin, thus causing the fall of the empire in question. It has happened before, and it will keep happening until the end of time
>>14342881
However, if you're not big enough to be a conqueror, you're small enough to be conquered.
>>14342875
What about me? What if Japan only takes me in?
Then they can just shut the border down for everyone else forever.
And I'm none of the things you mentioned either.
>>14342875
I never understood why Japan always depicts mexicans as quiet, expressionless people.
>>14342260
>ease back on immigration restrictions
see
>>14342725
Old age falling on the population boom that always occurs after a major war.
>>14342875
I thought it was more along the lines of usually only taking in the best and brightest (or at least someone who managed a bachelor's degree and a basic understanding of the language).
>>14342912
What about Davido?
>>14342912
we should petition to let all of /jp/ in and nobody else
>>14342912
you cant just take in the best and brightest, their is no cut off for immigration so youll end up with some of the worst people with no respect for local culture / enforcing their own. Jamacans will lead to looser morales and looser drug laws, indonesians will lead to laid back cleanliness etc.
>>14342922
well at least he respects culture and is a neet. He lives in tokyo as well right>
>>14342023
>transfer consciousness to new hosts
not gonna happen, anon.
We'll have the technology for it, but it'll be mothballed somewhere, while the world continues to fight over increasingly lucrative fossil fuels.
I sincerely hope there's a group getting ready to slip out the back door just as the planet goes to shit
If everything goes well, eons down the track, Earth-era humanity will just be documented as the race's tantrum-filled, shit-slinging infancy. no more, no less.
>>14342912
The Japanese government is hiring like hundreds of thousands of Chinese brute force workers to compensate for the lack of nationals needed to do the harshest jobs.
>>14342935
It will probably be the chicoms or the hindufags if it happens. 40 years ago it could have been the US but we sorta said "fuck it man let's break this thing we made for the lulz".
>>14342936
Where do I apply?
>>14341937
They want to have a easy life than having child.
Like the European.
>>14342237
>comparing nature of the character with his gender
People can't be this retarded.
>>14341937
Nothing. Japan is doing everything the correct way.
>>14342282
>losing the war
You mean every war ever? The German population is fucking stupid.
well keep in mind that people dont really have enough time to get married and have children if theyre going to be complete corporate slaves
bombs
>>14343065
But they have time for otaku hobbies it seems.
>>14342283
only in superficial aspects. the most important aspect of patriarchical society is how it relates to the family unit, and that concept has almost completely eroded.
They just need to make more attempts to pursued young people to marry.
>>14341979
No, it's a consequence of a culture that permits parasites.
>>14342892
Latin Americans are aloof as fuck with people they don't know but they are really noisy and annoying when they are in groups of friends. Considering that when they are in foreign countries they also isolate themselves from the locals whenever they find other latinos and that jap authors rarely meet latinos closely because they are often in STEM or blue collar jobs and you have that stereotype being born.
I know because I'm one.
>>14342175
>The dissolution of male rewards and values
Could you describe and elaborate on rewards and values these are?
I am seriously struggling to understand this mainly because I can't quite contextualize this.
>but none of the self-worth and importance accompanying it.
Again.
I keep thinking isn't working and providing for the family, a reward / value / self-worth and important in itself.
I mean I work but I don't have a family so I wouldn't know but I absolutely adhore my wage-slave life (I'm on the edge) and I often wonder if I had a "greater purpose" like providing for a wife / family whether this would make it better.
Then again this could just be over-simplistic idealism. I really don't know.
>>14342354
>Everybody wants to protect a girl, the real problem being that these "inherent values" start evaporating by the time you're 25 and disappear completely shortly after that.
How exactly do these inherent values start disappearing after age 25?
>>14343065
>>14343082
Devil's advocate.
Marriage and children raising is work.
Otaku hobbies is not.
>>14342237
>>14342175
This post is so stupid that you should feel bad for writing it.
>but none of the self-worth and social worth of being a working, productive male.
No. This is what neckbearded manchildren from /pol/ think like to think (that men are persecuted or some delusional snowflake-tier nonsense) when in reality Japan still is a very patriarchal society that values men over women. Whatever you're saying definitely doesn't apply to Japan.
>>14343328
how about 5% off blu ray for the duartion of your marriage?
>>14343387
>men run everything at the expense of their own life, with karōshi, death from over-working, being a common, known ocurrence
>HURRR MEN ARE LIVING IN LUXRY BCUS DEY R MOAR VALUED NIPPLENESE WOMEN ARE """"""""LITERALLY"""""""" SLAVES
Anyone can write a NO U, dude.
>>14343434
That's not even in readable English. Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
>>>/pol/
>>>/b/
>>14343434
Greentexting and using romaji. Are we being raided?
>>14343457
>>14343450
I really do wonder if we are being raided by normies when you idiots disregard problems that affect japanese men because you think being forced to work to death is a privilege.
>>14343468
Nobody is being forced to work to death. Try the 3rd world.
You're the only normie here
>>14343472
Japs are; which is where NEETS, suicide, low natality rate, etc. all comes from.
Shouldn't you know this, being /jp/ and all?
>>14342933
>be Vietnamese
>find some ads about Japanese labour jobs
>loan some money to do the paper work and learn Japanese
>get a job harvesting fruits in a farm
>work 16 hours/day
>use the salary pay back my debt at home
>no more job when the season is over
>can't find any more job
>have to steal from convenience store to live
>get caught and deported back
Yeah, fuck 'em.
>>14343468
No we're being raided by /a/ and /pol/ casuals like you who use meme arrows and romaji. Out.
>>14343477
>Shouldn't you know this, being /jp/ and all?
So you're admitting you're a crossposting shitposter. You can go now.
>>14343477
>NEETS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET
>A NEET or neet is a young person who is "Not in Education, Employment, or Training". The acronym NEET was first used in the United Kingdom but its use has spread to other countries including Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan.
>>14343479
>>can't find any more job
>>have to steal from convenience store to live
>>get caught and deported back
go home then, if you cant find work that isnt japans fault that your unqualified an no manual labour is avaliable.
>stealing
even when you have nothing you shoulnt steal.
This thread is aids. It had good conversation intiatally but at some point near the end people are not only ignoring the issues but are saying its /pols/ fault...
>>14343588
This isn't some Disney shit anon.
The real world doesn't work like this.
>>14343457
romaji ga ii yo
kana yori yomiyasuishi, IME mo iranaishi
>>14343596
what? If you cant afford to live seek government help while looking for a job ffs. Being vietnamese has nothing to do with it for one thing, stealing is illegal and you would have been fined or imprisoned otherwise.
>>14343594
No. It was decent until cross-shitters from /pol/ came.
>>14343614
>>14343594
it was always shit
>>14343352
>Could you describe and elaborate on rewards and values these are?
Men values are based on what they do, because men don't have inherent value. A man is expendable. In a lifeboat, if you need to choose between a man and a woman, the woman will always be saved. Even if the man is awesome, or cured cancer, or created the flying cars. Women are inherently important: society expects women to be saved, and expects men to save them.
Of course it boils down to reproductive instinct. A man can do the reproductive job of one hundred men. A woman always counts. Have 100 women and 1 man, and the next generation will be able to rebuild your society. Have 100 men and 1 women, and your society is dead. Instinctive and societal value attached to women make a community more able to survive and to reproduce. This is survival of the fittest, and the fittest society is the one placing worth on its women.
Men lack inherent value and are instead valued on what they do, their immediate utility both for the community and women. Their jobs. The extent they are willing to go to provide for their family and themselves. A man is twenty times more likely to die on his job than a woman for good reasons. Men are statistically better paid because men take extra length to earn additional income - night shift, distant job, extra hours, etc. In fact, in average, a woman that does the exact same job than a man, with the same 'extra', is slightly better paid than the man.
Historically, men derived admiration both from society and women for their hard work. When this admiration is not provided any more, and male values are derided for female values, a lot of men simply ask themselves: why should I decide to work like a madman if nobody will ever pat me in the back and say 'you, here, you're a great person, you did good'? If society will not acknowledge the hard work and the sacrifice I did?
This is what is happening in Japan, by the way. A lot of men simply drop out of the race, to the extent that Japan now uses shaming tactics on NEETs: 'you here, you don't work? You're disgusting! You will never get a woman! You will never amount to anything!'. But shaming tactics (the stick) only work if a reward exists (the carrot). Without rewards, a lot of NEETs just don't care any more.
>I mean I work but I don't have a family so I wouldn't know but I absolutely adhore my wage-slave life (I'm on the edge) and I often wonder if I had a "greater purpose" like providing for a wife / family whether this would make it better.
You are in the system and you like it. This is perfectly fine. Get some woman, a family, and reproduce. This shouldn't be too hard if you have a good income.
>Japan is dying
>Africa and India keep breeding
>2 billion Indians soon
>4 billion Africans eventually
First World Problems.
>>14343669
not really, this is a global problem, we will see more and more 3rd world countries push their people onto white / asian asian nations and not only will their be culturual shock / clashes but also most likely high levels of conflict and violence
>>14343666
>You are in the system and you like it. This is perfectly fine. Get some woman, a family, and reproduce. This shouldn't be too hard if you have a good income.
I meant to say abhor in my original post about my wage-slave situation as in hate with extreme prejudice. And yeah I'm so sure its easy.
>>14343685
>high levels of conflict and violence
This is what neckbeards actually believe. You're just mad and deeply insecure about your recessive genes so you want some kind of "climax". You're not going to get your racewar, retard.
>>14343666
On the flip side, women are traditionally valued for their ability to provide sex, bear children, and uphold feminine virtues; these days sexual gratification flows like water, Japanese don't particularly want children, and nobody really gives a shit about virtue.
>to the extent that Japan now uses shaming tactics on NEETs: 'you here, you don't work? You're disgusting! You will never get a woman! You will never amount to anything!'
This sentiment has been around since the beginning of wage labor because nobody wants to feed people who don't work.
>why should I decide to work like a madman if nobody will ever pat me in the back and say 'you, here, you're a great person, you did good'?
Everybody says this every fucking day in Japan, in lieu of giving them what Westerners consider "work-life balance."
>>14343698
Of course not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Philadelphia_race_riot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_protests
>>14343717
Riots in relation to the treatment of minorities have nothing to do with "racewars" or any large scale conflicts that you /pol/-tier racists desperately want.
And that's 3 incidents in an extremely diverse country with a population of over 300 million.
>>14343717
>2015_Baltimore_protests
"High levels of conflict and violence" my fucking ass. More Chinese people are crushed in festivals every year than killed in all these protests combined.
>>14343698
again look at the current immigration problems in germany and europe. And to a lesser extent the boat people problem in australia.
>>14343717
your an idiot, this doesnt even relate to what were discussing
>>14343666
>>14342175
Can I ask where your school of thought on this comes from?
I'm listening to what you're saying, whilst I'm not entirely on board, I'm definitely not against it per se and appreciate your insight.
Ultimately though, I can't help but feel all this is just an excuse because there are plenty of people who have "succeeded" despite the ever changing social-cultural attitude of the "brutal unfair" system.
>>14343760
>your an idiot
>your
>>14343760
There is no immigration problem in Germany and Europe. These are war migrants, and they're only in this situation because of the instability that the western powers put into middle east.
>>14343763
>Can I ask where your school of thought on this comes from?
Where do you think?
>>14343767
blah blah you have no counter arguement if thats what your pointing out.
>>14343771
they arent though, many of them dont come from war and poverty stuck areas. Heck tonnes of then complained about the quality of the food theyre given (which is bs, its top tier). They literally walz in, not even from war struck areas
>>14343763
>there are plenty of people who have "succeeded" despite the ever changing social-cultural attitude of the "brutal unfair" system.
You can always succeed if you are top class, but the other 50% of the population still has to live.
>>14343784
Pretty the vast majority of them come from shitty places, most recently Syria.
>>14343793
while their are genuine syrian refugees, many of the "refugees" arent even from syria. Many are just normals from the middle east and a lot of them are spreading terror right now (as /pol/ as that sounds its common in many places, especially in schools where germans are getting treated like shit, being bullied by a 80% middle east school population)
>>14343784
>they arent though, many of them dont come from war and poverty stuck areas.
[citation needed]
>>14343800
>many of the "refugees" arent even from syria
Some of them are probably from Afghanistan and Iraq. Where the fuck would they be coming from? Lebanon and Iran?
>>14343803
>>14343805
just watch that video, i gtg so cant explain right now
>>14343695
>>14343698
Oslo crime rate per citizen is 4x higher than in New York now. When Scandinavia used to be one of the safest places on Earth.
You think Norwegians suddenly went crazy?
Entire EU is becoming anti-immigrant. In few years everybody I know went from "multiculti is sugoi" to "fuck islam".
>>14343793
>You can always succeed if you are top class, but the other 50% of the population still has to live.
Well this sounds like more capitalism than whatever gender inequity the other anon has been arguing about than isn't it.
>>14343763
Go watch some Karen Straughan. This will likely change the way you perceive many things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA
>because there are plenty of people who have "succeeded" despite the ever changing social-cultural attitude of the "brutal unfair" system.
Men's roles as agents are high risk, high reward. Most men work for thirty to forty years to provide for a woman and his family. Some extremely rare win the 'lottery', become rich and can fuck any woman they want.
Interestingly, men and women have evolved differently in danger assessment. Studies have shown that men maximize the perceived reward, when women maximizes the perceived risk. This in turn lead to men searching high risk, high reward situations, when women seek low risk, low reward situations.
Basic evolutionary instincts. Women are evolutionarily important and should not seek danger - men need to prove themselves worthy to pass their genes, making them more willing to risk themselves for a perceived high reward. Very, very basic.
>>14343909
Well fuck.
I am a male who seeks low risk, low reward situations.
Kinda explains how fucked am I. Kinda.
May I ask what your personal background is in all of this?
I'm acutely aware that many either knowingly or subconsciously have their own personal experiences bias their argument and thesis.
>>14343909
>Karen Straughan
Who?
No I've seen the youtube link.
Who?
>>14343808
In other words you have no citation and got caught bullshitting like most /pol/ fags.
>>14343815
>Oslo crime rate per citizen is 4x higher than in New York now.
Objectively false.
>Entire EU is becoming anti-immigrant. In few years everybody I know went from "multiculti is sugoi" to "fuck islam".
Also objectively false. You're neckbeard on /jp/, and the only people you know are your fellow shitposters on /pol/.
>>14343666
>a woman that does the exact same job than a man, with the same 'extra', is slightly better paid than the man.
Nope. It's actually the opposite of spills over into more than just salary as well. Equally qualified women are often rated as less competent even in situations with identical resumes. Check out: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/
>once, according to a Yale study, applications with randomized male and female names were presented to scientists for students applying for a lab manager position. Although the applications were 100% identical the "female" applicants were rated significantly lower in competence & hireability
Funnily enough we also saw this same kind of unconscious bias in symphonies and orchestras. Women became much much more likely to be hired once blind auditions were implemented.
https://ideas.repec.org/p/nbr/nberwo/5903.html
>>14343922
Not anyone particularly impressive, but you don't need credentials to say correct things (not that they necessarily are). A couple of them were posted on /jp/ a few years back.
I happen to think that anybody who gets a political education on Youtube (or 4chan, for that matter) is kind of a retard but I read a lot about social science in my spare time.
>>14343984
>Nope. It's actually the opposite of spills over into more than just salary as well. Equally qualified women are often rated as less competent even in situations with identical resumes.
You didn't actually address his claim at all, which was that men are more likely to put in extra than women (even if they happen to have identical resumes).
>>14343978
ok im back, i had to take my cat to the vet.
Currently the situation in germany isnt a refugee problem. The amount of syrian refugees is actually rather small compared to the amount of immigrants posing as refugees from other middle eastern countries such as iraq and afghanistan are also gaining illegal entry to the country. Many are not poor or directly affected by the war and it has lead to the following
1)german natives becoming a minority within their own country
2)"exclusion" zones where it is dangerous to white people to enter being declared
3)small towns of only 26 people being filled to their capacity with refugees
4)violence, rape (in particular towards women ofc) becoming a common occurance.
Islamic beliefs are also being forced onto germans such as the beliefe homosexuals should be beheaded and that sharia law should be enforced over the democracy in place.
Just some sources
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6264/no-go-zones-germany
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-europe-migrants-germany-islam-idUSKCN0RM1AK20150922
http://www.indexmundi.com/germany/religions.html
http://www.euro-islam.info/country-profiles/germany/
index mundi only includes muslims with german citizenship, but the recent immigration has taken in close to 1.000.000 muslims, meaning the figure is almost 2% higher now, combine that with the rate of birth muslims vs germans it is going to increase exceptionally over the next few years
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/million-refugees-arrive-germany-year-150914101006005.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany
Im not going to write some half assed response because i only have 20 seconds before i have to leave, and also i dont browse /pol/
>>14343273
>cant speak about japan without speaking ww2
>japan was with germany at that time
This tread should be on /pol/ no as its "illegal" to speak about real problem for some people
>>14341937
We will all be dead by then who cares
>>14344054
These threads go pear-shaped after people leave Japanese society behind in favor of generalizations that inevitably lead to whatever political theories are hot today.
>>14344059
You dont care about your next reincarnation?
>>14344064
I wouldn't even know if I was reincarnated.
>>14344065
Maybe you did
Maybe whatever problem you have it was caused by you before
>>14344064
>believing in fairy tales
>>14344069
>not believing in fairy tales
>>14344069
>not beleving in fairy tales on /jp/
>>14344019
None of those sources prove any of your outrageous /pol/-tier claims from earlier. You said:
>they arent though, many of them dont come from war and poverty stuck areas.
And you can't prove it because it's a /pol/ meme used by racists to stir up xenophobia. You're almost like the Republicans who claim that poor people are "abusing" welfare (foodstamps used to buy bologna sandwiches and powdered drinks).
>>14344084
sure
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249667/Germany-state-SIEGE-Merkel-cheered-opened-floodgates-migrants-gangs-men-roaming-streets-young-German-women-told-cover-mood-s-changing.html
https://news.vice.com/article/migrants-seeking-german-life-are-not-refugees-says-hungary-pm
I could write another paragraph but the sources tell it all really
>>14344089
The reason they don't qualify as refugees in Germany (per Orbak) is because refugees are legally only so-designated in the 'first safe country'. He does not claim they do not come from war-torn and impoverish areas.
The Daily Mail is a rag and its own article is unsourced, except with one anecdotal example.
>>14343996
>which was that men are more likely to put in extra than women (even if they happen to have identical resumes).
This was not his claim, and is also false. His claim was:
>a woman that does the exact same job than a man, with the same 'extra', is slightly better paid than the man
This is not true as shown here >>14343984
>>14344103
>This was not his claim, and is also false.
I don't actually care if it's false, but you haven't disproven it with anything.
>This is not true as shown here >>14343984
You did literally nothing but refer me to the post I responded to. It is about resumes. It does not refer to actual working male and female individuals putting in the same "extra", as the resume and offer process occurs before any work is actually done.
Jesus christ I want /pol/fags to fuck off.
Japan's in a serious problem right now because the population decline isn't coming with a higher quality of life. Too many jobs are being kept by the older population and the younger generation are not being properly trained. Software development and such is absolutely embarrassing right now in Japan and it's only going to get worse. They're going to become more and more irrelevant as time goes on because businesses there are not evolving, nor are the workers.
No one's going to want to work there even if they start letting in more people. So they're going to need to change and fast within the next 5-10 years.
>>14344121
So in other words the problem is not so much population but the (mis)allocation of skilled work to the older (unfit) incumbent population.
That immigration or not, is not gonna address this problem?
>>14342260
Temporary work visas could work.
Emphasis on the "temporary"
Nothing should change, if anything the population should decline even more.
This way the Mary and Renko future will remain canon and I can keep believing Gensokyo is real.
>>14342260
>ease back on immigration restrictions
They did. There are much more foreigners compared to a decade ago.
>>14344111
You claimed he claimed something that he didn't. I showed you what he really claimed, and where it was responded to.
>>14344267
Then why am I still here, unable to go?
>>14343273
Fuck off back to reddit
>>14341948
>Population decline isn't a bad thing.
jesus christ, I fucking hope your education isn't finished yet.
Nothing, kids are just a pain in the ass economically
>>14344121
I wish janny would just delete all these dumb crossposting threads.
>>14344752
The population decline in Europe as a result of the Black Death led directly to the social changes which allowed the rise of the Renaissance and everything that followed.
Don't spout "lol u need a edumacation" bullshit when you don't know the most basic shit.
>>14344752
Earth is overpopulated. We really don't need more people.
Only reason why politicians push this shit is because old fags need young people to work for their pension. It's a system from XIXth century.
>>14344774
This. Fuck those greedy motherfuckers.
They are the reason why we have cities that have completely destroyed the natural landscape in favor of high rise buildings because "we needz moar libbing quarters for ours expanding popuwationz!"
Fuck off, you don't need more people you fucking jews.
What about Germany?
>>14344860
Germany is done for unless they quickly do something about their immigration issues.
>>14344829
Both underpopulation (specially in these days where the lifespan is basically the double of what it used to be) and overpopulation are bad (though in times of war overpopulation is good for capitalists so they can bake shitload of weapons using cheap labor), the real good status is a balance of birth and death rates.
>>14344752
It's really not in our day and age. An economy can only grow X amount and with automation the number of people keep dropping. What is happening ultimately is that more and more people are being born, without the possibility of moving (or staying) in the middle class, so they either have to live on the bottom, or worse yet face unemployment (one of the biggest worries of the day).
Population decline in an age of automation is required for prosperity.
>>14344944
Please stop telling me the harsh truth.
;_;
>>14345007
In fact, many jobs are still kept as they once were and not automated because a high rate of automation (much faster than population can decline) plus an influx of non-qualified immigrants would end up in massive rates of unemployment that would tank the economy, specially the current greedy capitalist model that demands that more jobs are constantly created or the economy goes to shit, because an unemployed person is a person that can't consume and therefore can't contribute to further economic growth. That, and automation is only better than cheap labor when the operations are large in scale. A small business that doesn't move much money is better off hiring among the masses of unemployed people and paying them shitty salaries.
>>14345030
>greedy capitalist model
I honestly think the problem is the expansive social security systems. You need money flowing in at all costs, so a system where there are many poor and few that can pay taxes would collapse.
>A small business that doesn't move much money is better off hiring among the masses of unemployed people and paying them shitty salaries.
There's a big fat "for now" though, give it a decade or so and 3D printers would be available for someone to start mass producing from his garage.
When I was younger (a teenager) I used to care a lot about immigrants and liberals and obamacare. I would spend hours arguing with people on the internet.
Nowadays I don't really know what happened to me, but I just don't see a point in getting angry all the time about things...most of the conspiracies I got angry about in 2008 never came to pass
Is this that old /jp/ feel? Maybe I learned how to take it easy? I haven't posted on /pol/ in months, and my only regret is that all of the time I spent being angry at people I could have used to learn python or Japanese. Now I am learning those skills so I can actually help people, rather than doing the same thing over and over which only makes me miserable.
>>14345127
>>14345167
You turned from an altruistic human into an egoistic, nihilistic, hedonistic human.
The worst that could happen.
>>14345167
>I haven't posted on /pol/ in months
That's no good. People should visit /pol/ periodically, to remind themselves what /pol/ is actually like.
Hint: It's not like the people who go to /pol/ to reaffirm their stupid beliefs, then carry them off to other boards to spout pure ignorance.
>>14345178
You missed the part where I said that I still want to help people.
But even if I didn't want to help people, my new self-centered lifestyle is better. I'm less angry and depressed and can take it easy.
I think that's evidence enough that I'm doing the right thing.
>>14345167
The same thing happened to me. Not being full of hate for the rest of humanity is liberating.
>>14345175
I can't even imagine how the transition from large number of workers to a few people operating this would go.
Probably the way the automated factories are going, where instead of transitioning they close down shop and open an automated one. Less riots and protests this way.
>>14343984
I've been working in offices for quite some time now.
I'd say about one in six or seven women actually gets shit done and does their job as well as a guy would. The remainder waste a fuck load of time gossiping, chatting, showing each other pictures of their kids - bullshit like that.
Whenever my bosses have been women they've been fine, but on a co-worker level, it seems most women in their 20s are only working out of some expectation and really just want to get married and let the man do all the work.
>>14345198
4 U
>>14345229
Any particular country(s) / city(s) you draw this experience from?
What about what kind of office work?
>>14345167
>I would spend hours arguing with people on the internet.
>>14342282
>us
>>14342282
>losing the war
Good thing the rest of western/southern/northern-europe + UK is a multicultural paradise as well.
They are reaping the fruits of "winning" the war. :D
>>14344281
>You claimed he claimed something that he didn't.
My assessment is accurate: he said that "Men are statistically better paid because men take extra length to earn additional income - night shift, distant job, extra hours, etc."
>where it was responded to
I explained how your response was horseshit. You can refer me to the previous post a thousand times but it won't change a thing if you don't actually offer an explanation.
>>14345167
I started arguing politics 12 years ago, when I was in high school. These days I don't even follow the news.
>most of the conspiracies I got angry about in 2008 never came to pass
You probably got taken in by retards, it's no surprise you became a /pol/ack.
>>14342819
Ameriga is an overhyped meme country led by a nigger with the intelligence of a nigger.
>Korea
>Nam
>Afg.
>Iraq
>Russo-Georgian War
>Crimea
How can one nation lose so many wars in less than 100 years???
>>14345253
Chicago area, business.
What's kind of interesting, in a way, is my particular field has become female dominated. It's frustrating because everyone expects the women to be chatty and waste time, yet I am fully expected to work every minute owing to the small detail I'm a guy.
Women bring the wage gap upon themselves.
As another aside, I've worked with women who have had 'impressive' resumes and graduated from a higher-end school, yet were totally clueless about just about everything. Unless you gave them very specific direction and a process to follow, they would tend to fuck things up or constantly ask for guidance. 4 out of 5 of them were incapable of critical thought.
Again, I don't mean to denigrate all women, but it's hard when the majority are a bunch of dipshits with severe entitlement issues.
Working with women has made me more misogynistic than the internet could ever hope. The shit I've heard them say boils my blood, but that's another topic.
>>14344860
>>14344944
Meh Germans will just resettle after being driven off their homeland. You can't exterminate an entire race.
>>14342303
Nobody needs unskilled shitskin wellfare leeches.
>>14345277
>Ameriga is an overhyped meme country led by a nigger with the intelligence of a nigger.
Think of how bad Europe must be.
Russia wins wars but life for the average Russian sucks dick, so it's a wash.
>>14343984
Everyone knows that a female won't even begin to live up to her resume but nobody wants to admit it.
Please move this thread to /pol/. /jp/ isn't about politics.
>>14345167
Congratulations, you grew up. You still can care about politics though, your mistake was taking /pol/ as your ideological source. It's basically /b/+/x/.
>>14345275
I just don't see the point in "debating" things on the Internet anymore since all people do is yell talking points at each other. So what if someone on 4chan thinks that a wage gap does/doesn't exist? I have seen no evidence that anything I wrote changed someone's mind.
People come here to be entertained or to reinforce their own beliefs. it's misleading to suggest that little else goes on in what passes for debate here.
I'd much rather post cute and lewd pictures and have comfy conversations.
>>14345322
I still do stuff like volunteer and write letters to the editor. I was just attacking the angry populism/reactionaryism that dominates here.
>>14345401
>volunteer
>>14345413
Open-source programming counts as volunteering
>>14345446
Forgot to post cute butt
>>14342302
Hell no!
>>14345401
I wish there were more specific tags on pixiv/boorus for only slightly see through tops like this.
>>14346395
It doesn't matter if you make an overly specific tag for your fetish if nobody uses it. You will only find what you tagged yourself.
>>14346431
Exactly, which is why I wish it was an already existing tag with plenty of images.
Why is this thread still here （ ´_ゝ`）
this thread
>>14345393
>comfy
fucking cancerous twat, stay on reddit
>>14342355
heh
>>14342650
>einstein ... pestered the burger government to drop an A-bomb on japan
heh?
>>14343666
>This is survival of the fittest, and the fittest society is the one placing worth on its women.
Sure, in earlier times, but it isn't necessitated in post-industrial societies.
>>14343767
you'r're baka desu sempai
I hope the world burns ha ha ha
>>14345030
>automation
japan eats mainly rice. rice farming can't be automated with current technology. most rice farmers are old people. when those old people die everyone in japan will either have to starve or start eating lead filled chinese rice.
>>14347068
C-Can I work in a Japanese rice paddy??!
>>14341948
Smaller working population means smaller national economy, smaller national economy means economic depression. Factories would need to be close because there would be less people and thus less consumption. No one could invest in anything new because they full well know there will be less demand in the future, since there will be even less people then.
>>14342266
so what you're saying is, long-term good is hiroshima, and short-term cost is nagasaki
>>14342725
That's some cruel irony.
>>14347124
yes:
http://www.konohana-family.org/
>>14342725
Isn't that full of made-up shit
>>14342028
>telling more people not to breed
nani :3?
>>14342260
Yes, flooding the country with Indonesians will surely solve their financial problems
Hang all the liberal traitors itt.
>>14348532
>http://www.konohana-family.org/
What?
