Is there a sense of patriotism in Belgium?
Are Belgians proud of their country?
>Belgians
>country
what did he mean by this?
Belgium is Netherlands in denial, same culture, same language, similar politics.
>>61951718
Same language?? I thought they mostly used their own?
>>61951762
>Belgium
>having anything of their own
Pick one
>>61951762
In Flanders they speak South Dutch which sounds ok compared to the one in the Netherlands
>>61952445
*compared to the official Dutch
Where Belgium Royal house came from?
I know that ;
Brit's came from Germany
Dutch's came from southern France
Spanish's came from Paris
Greek's came from Germany
leftist will propagate the idea of a united Belgium but in reality Flanders would be better off without Wallonia and Brussels bringing us down
Either Flanders should become independent or we should join The Netherlands where we rightfully belong
>>61951718
>same culture
lmao this scum is much more french (arrogant,smelly,conservative) than dutch. please dont compare these rats to us
>>61952659
Why does Flanders belong to Belgium?
Did Dutch fail to regain there at 80years war against Spain?
Did the Wien Conference make bad judge?
Did Flanders make bad mistake in 1830?
I don't know. Can you tell me why?
>>61952641
It's Saxen-Coburg und Gotha, same as the British.
>>61952811
Thanks. Belgium's came from Germany.
But, why did they come from there?
Weren't Belgiuman against that?
I can't understand why westerners are for their royal families who came from another( moreover enemies' ) country.
>>61952641
Germany
>>61952805
>Did Dutch fail to regain there at 80years war against Spain?
yes
>Did the Wien Conference make bad judge?
Yes, by making Willie the Retarded king
>Did Flanders make bad mistake in 1830?
Debatable, but probably
>>61951718
you have never been in Belgium m8. They aren't arrogant cunts like you at all.
Even flemish are bretty bro desu.
>>61952641
>Brit's came from Germany
hahahah
>>61953067
Indeed earlier Brit's royal house came from Normandy France, but they are Norman, not French.
>>61953242
France is kingdom including Normandy like many other regions. Besides the few normans that came from elsewhere were from what today is denmark anyway.
>>61952972
Thanks for your answering.
I studied World's history when in high school, and I was interested in European history, especially modern westerner's.
I'd like to visit your country in 1 year, but how's their security?
I hear southern Brussels are as danger as Detroit. Is Flanders safe still now?
>>61953360
That's right, but does that mean that many french people were dominated by external invaders? Are you proud of that?
>>61952729
cunt.
>>61952659
But Flanders is ours
>>61953242
Same culture, language, were part of the Kingom
Yea, totally not French
>>61953590
Vikings invade us => we fuck them everytime but they're annoying af => give them Normandy => they're now part of the Kingdom => they accept our culture, language, religion
Yea, we're proud
>>61952641
>dutch's came from Southern France
?
I am not a Belgian and usually like to banter BElgium about being a non-country and such, but simply saying it is a non-country is actually just ignorant
If someone thinks Flanders should be split off and is Flemish and has reasonable arguments, that's fine, but outsiders saying Belgium should split simply because of NON-COUNTRY LMAO should shut the fuck up
>>61953839
If they're French then the UK royal family is English, not German
>>61951364
in Wallonia yes, much less in Flanders
>>61951718
>same culture
lol calvinist scum, no way m8
you are perceived as loud and arrogant, Belgians (regardless of tribe and language) are much more reserved
>>61953444
>southern Brussels are as danger as Detroit
There are places you should avoid, but if you stay in the touristic parts you're completely fine.
>Is Flanders safe still now?
Yes, of course. Muzzies stick to Brussels and they all go to France for their bombings anyway.
The reason Brussels got bombed was because the police was breathing down their neck.
>>61953787
not culturally
give us Frans Vlaanderen by the way
>>61952659
flamingant pls
Literally no-one in Flanders wants to join NL. Independent, maybe, as much as possible within a Belgian frame yes, but lolno for joining up with Holland.
You know this, do not pretend this has any sizeable following here, other than stoner kids going >dude weed lmao
>>61954271
did I say it has a sizeable following? it's my opinion
Either way we should abandon Brussels and Wallonia
>>61954271
A Confederation could work though
>multilingual countries
nauseating, Europe should have borders based on language, except for Switzerland because that's its gimmick
>>61952933
>Thanks. Belgium's came from Germany.
>But, why did they come from there?
The winners of the Belgian Revolution in 1830 first appointed the count de Mérode (a noble family from Limburg) as possible monarch, but De Mérode declined the offer, as his title of count was not high enough on the "noble ladder".
So they decided to import someone from a European high nobility family (dukes and princes), and it happened that Great Britain's royal family had a nephew they wanted to get rid off. He was first offered to be the king of Greece, this nephew Leopold, but declined. Second offer was Belgium, which he took.
Leopold then gave the Mérode family a title upgrade to prince, for delining the title according to the tradition of the Frankish nobility.
>>61954058
Orange county
hence their national colour, orange (dreadful colour btw)
>>61954160
I don't really know for Flemish but
>Francophones
>Reserved and quiet
>>61954586
Oh, yea
>>61954590
Flemings are much more reserved and quiet than Walloons. Although "inner" Wallonia (axis Charleroi-Liège) is different than the Ardennes in Belgian Luxemburg. In the Ardennes people are also more reserved.
In fact, Ardennes natives often complain about loud and rowdy Dutch tourists, but never about Flemings (we actually bond over this)
>>61954404
bullshit.
Why don't we make Wales independent if that is your opinion?
I never understood why people are ok with Switzerland and its 4 official languages, but have a problem with us and our 3 (in reality 2) official languages. While we have been around since Roman days, basically being the same people genetically, with little sperm input from outsiders after the Hunnic invasions.
>>61954590
>>61954882
The main difference is politeness. Walloons are polite to strangers, and worry about how others percieve them. That is the last thing a true Dutchman will worry about.
>>61951364
No, as we all know, Belgium is pretty much a non country
>>61955246
>american education
Belgians go way back
>>61953444
Antwerp, brussels and maybe some other cities is filled with immigrants who will bully you if you don't stay at the tourist places.
My brother protected friends by staying behind and making sure they got away and got attack by 6 muslims, he won though haha but seriously I'm moving to America when I get old.
>>61955275
danke mein bruder
>>61955303
Enjoy your spics and niggers senpai
>>61955394
America is pretty big (only 15 procent are black btw). Just need to pick a nice state.
As long as I can protect my family and can keep my own firearm I will be happy.
>>61955303
>Antwerp, brussels and maybe some other cities is filled with immigrants who will bully you if you don't stay at the tourist places.
Man I've been to Borgerhout and Molenbeek a bunch of times and have never been "bullied" by muzzies
>>61955449
Come to Texas, just stay out of Austin
>>61955603
Isn't Texas or the south in general filled with beaners?
>>61955570
Do you have a brown tint? because the times my friends and family were attack and stores were robed are to much to count. It's a little better since Bart became the mayor though, he is trying to keep it more clean in the streets.
>>61955303
>tfw you will never buttfuck aggressive muslims with your belgian brother
It hurts
>>61955651
I'm blonde and pale as fuck, about 2m tall and fit-looking thogh
>>61955644
They're not that bad so long as you stay out of the shittier neighbirhoods(but that's true for any ethnicity)
The rest of the South is full of nogs though
>>61955660
He was wearing a cape of the belgian flag while being half drunk from just having watched the footbal match on tv.
If people acted like it was footbal every day there would be less trouble in Europe.
Saw a footbal fan punch a muslim in the face few weeks ago while he was preaching some Islamic shit. He was insta K.O. and nobody gave a fuck while he was lying on the market square.
>>61955789
So what state is the best if you like cool summers? And by cool i mean 20-25°-ish as the upper limits
>>61954404
Says the country that has Wales and Scotland. By your logic almost every country is a non country.
![c0c7e87b6d376f9d79e6786226e84048[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/b1YNHgM.jpg "c0c7e87b6d376f9d79e6786226e84048[1].jpg")
This is how it should be.
Flanders merged with the Netherlands. Our Limburg could join theirs, Antwerpen and Noord-Brabant will be merged and named Brabant.
>>61955758
Do you live in Antwerp? I can give you a small list from the incidents from last few years if you want. I also know people from the cops and they also fight on a regular basis against muslims.
There is a lot that doesn't reach the news on tv.
>>61955570
try living there
>>61955848
>on the market square
>>61955928
Drinking all that Dutch cum never makes you dizzy?
>>61955868
Depends on if you like the cities or if you want to live out in the country
Anything north of the southern boundary of New York I guess.
>>61956128
dirty nationalist pigdog
Flanders merging with the Netherlands, we merge some of our provinces, and rename the new country Greater Netherlands.
Like it used to be, I don't understand why so many people are opposed to this. What have the Walloons/francophones ever done for us?
>>61955928
What about Vlaams-Brabant?
>>61956033
>>61956042
I'm from Leuven but I go to Antwerp quite regularly
>>61953961
I see thanks. You might well be proud of that.
>>61954178
>>61955303
Thank you. I'll visit Flanders cities !
>>61956313
>What have the Walloons/francophones ever done for us?
You can ask the same for the Dutch. They are assholes, why do you like them so much?
It is because they were assholes your praised united kingdom split after only 15 years in 1830.
>>61954490
Thank you so much! I don't know such detailed history. I'm glad to know that.
Flemish = Arrogant rednecks believing that they're any different from Dutch
Wallons = Arrogant rednecks believing that they're any different from French rednecks
>>61956696
Yeah, the people were so angry they let the French army do the real fighting.
>>61956960
>flemish
>arrogant
Jesus christ there are jokes about how quiet we are except for antwerp.
We always complain about the dutch being loud and rude (no offence).
>>61956980
Because people really were fond of Willem's policies that centered around the maritime economy of Holland and pretty much ignored everyone else. And not to mention the south wasn't even represented in the government back then.
And to top it off the calvinist asswipe wanted to raise beer tax.
If you really think that, just because we share their language, they'll treat us any better than the Walloons, you're in for a rude awakening.
Haha, I have personally known an activist like you, separatist and member of Voorpost. After one week of actually meeting up in Holland and staying there, he came back stating "we have completely different cultures" and canceled his membership.
The Dutch are only interested in us for economic reasons (Antwerp port for example). They will mooch of our riches just the same as the Walloons do now.
>>61951718
Aren't the Flanders folk Catholic?
>>61957484
I'm not that >>61956313 guy for your information.
But it's a fact Flanders turned into a shithole after the belgian independence.
Not to mention the walloon elite went on a cultural cleansing that lasted more than a century.
If you believe things in Flanders went for the better after the split you're fucking retarded.
>>61957794
Yes. Protestantism is almost non-existant here.
>>61957794
Who cares?
>>61952641
and jap king from korea
belgium is a petit country with many interesting cultures but i really dont understand that why is belgium full of muslims
>>61957932
M8 there wasn't any difference between Flanders in 1810, 1830 or 1870. It was peasant land. The better off classes (also) spoke French, this had been so since the Middle Ages.
Why do you think that before 1914 there wasn't a movement that wanted to separate Flanders from Belgium? The whole separatist movement started in WW I, when French-speaking officers (often francophonic upper class Flemings btw - no "Walloon elite") gave orders only in French to farmer sons who only spoke their local South-Dutch dialect.
Do not mix up "Walloon" as in "from Wallonia" with the archaic term Walloon for French/Oil speaker. Because there was no Walloon elite. Both Flemish and Walloon upper class spoke French, as did the Dutch upper class and the nobility in the whole of Europe and Russia.
>>61958168
Brussels is full of muslims. A result of Flemish vs. Francophonic politics, the latter wanted to import Arabs to counter the bilingual official status of the capital, and turn it into a mainly French-speaking city. Motto was: "Bruxelles plutôt Arab que Flamand" Brussels rather Arab then Flemish. Needless to say, that backfired..
But Belgium isn't full of muslims (yet), only the larger cities have large muslim suburbs. But most Western European cities have those now.
>>61958383
thanks for the informative reply so is flemish the north koreans for belgians?
>>61958868
It's the opposite, Flanders is the rich developed part.
>>61958206
>le Flemish movement only started during WWI meme
wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlaamse_Beweging
>M8 there wasn't any difference between Flanders in 1810, 1830 or 1870
'no'. The economic regression is a well known fact, as well as French becoming the only official language.
If you only spoke Dutch you were fucked.
>Both Flemish and Walloon upper class spoke French, as did the Dutch upper class and the nobility in the whole of Europe and Russia
The elite speaking French doesn't make it the official language m80.
>>61957794
So is much of the Netherlands, but yes. Most Protestants fled to the Netherlands after the Flemish failed to repel the Spaniards.
>>61959145
Do you think that was only here? The whole European upper classes switched to French during the 19th century.
And the *separatist* movement started in WW I yes. The Flemish Movement was never separatist before that.
That is btw why many Walloons do not understand the verbal attacks made by separatist Flemish internet warriors, about the "Walloon elite" oppressing poor Flemish peasants. Back in 1930, a great part of the Walloons only spoke their Walloon dialect, not French. The ones who oppressed the Flemish lower classes were most often French speaking Flemings, our own upper class.
And French back then was what English is now: the standard. Imagine where you'll be now without English, that is where our forefathers were without French, in those days.
>>61953444
>Brussels as dangerous as Detroit
That's just a /pol/ meme. In reality it's completely safe as long as you stay in the tourist traps. The countryside is mostly 99% white and even if you leave the tourist trap zones, the immigrants will only bully you a bit for your flat nip face; actual attacks are quite rare.
>>61951364
Nearly all Flandrians want to split up with Wallonia and Brussels to join NL because Wallonia's economy collapsed after the mining industry closed and thanks to 60 years of socialism. Brussels has a beautiful city center but outside the centre you'll find an absolute infestation of peaceful beheaders.
>>61959419
>That is btw why many Walloons do not understand the verbal attacks made by separatist Flemish internet warriors, about the "Walloon elite" oppressing poor Flemish peasants. Back in 1930, a great part of the Walloons only spoke their Walloon dialect, not French. The ones who oppressed the Flemish lower classes were most often French speaking Flemings, our own upper class.
I'm not debating this. I'm just pointing out that Flanders was better off under Dutch rule.
>And the *separatist* movement started in WW I yes. The Flemish Movement was never separatist before that.
The Flemish movement was the initial seed though. The fuck ups during WWI were the final straw.
>And French back then was what English is now: the standard. Imagine where you'll be now without English, that is where our forefathers were without French, in those days.
The last time i went to the town hall i didn't need any english.
>>61959744
>Nearly all Flandrians want to split up with Wallonia and Brussels to join NL
What? hahaha no! Liar, only about 10% are convinced separatists, and even they do NOT AT ALL want to join up with NL.
>>61959918
Nice try, lefty propaganda machine. Everyone I know wants it and here on /int/ many people want it as well.
>>61959823
Flanders wasn't at all better off under the 15 years of Dutch rule! Willem did not care about anything but the province of Holland and its maritime-based economy.
That was the whole reason the South split up.
>The last time i went to the town hall i didn't need any english.
You know what I mean. You would not even be here without the use of an international standard language. This was French for centuries, peaking in the 19th-early 20th century, but got replaced by English because of USA cultural dominance mainly.
>>61959918
kaviaarsos aub
>>61960029
>he uses /int/ as reference IRL.
You sound like those stoner kids who want to join NL because legal weed. You should go out more. Or grow up a bit.
BTW, I am not at all a lefty, I read TeKoS magazine, I am just not a flamingant or (God forbid) a fucking orangist.
>>61960213
Don't you know anything? Stoner kids don't want to join up with NL because of taxed monitored weed
>>61960090
Is dit uw enig tegenargument? hurr sos socialist.
Er zijn nog mensen die i.p.v. papegaai te spelen voor internetflaminganten de moeite doen zelf de geschiedenis te doorgronden en op grond van historische feiten een mening vormen.
Fucking stupid retarded separatist faggot internet warriors I swear. If you would only know how conservative I actually am.
>>61960329
weenweenween ga maar bij mammie
Walloons
Why is it that Belgians can into discussions? Is that the reason almoust none of us are in the /Nederdraad/? To much shitposting?
>>61960068
>Flanders wasn't at all better off under the 15 years of Dutch rule! Willem did not care about anything but the province of Holland and its maritime-based economy.
Where do you even get this from? i suggest you read
wikipedia.org/wiki/Verenigd_Koninkrijk_der_Nederlanden#Economische_en_sociale_ontwikkelingen
>You know what I mean.
You also know what i mean, and i'm not going to repeat the same arguments.
>>61959918
>even they do NOT AT ALL want to join up with NL
>tfw no new 17 provinces
What's even the point of Belgium in 2016?
A Fleming has more in common with a Brabander, Zeeuw, Limburger or Hollander than a Walloon. I'd say Flemings even have more in common with Hollanders than Groningers or Frisians.
I mean, I can understand Flanders not wanting to join the Netherlands because Amsterdam and the Hague are almost as bad as Brussels (Though at least they speak Dutch), but why would one willingly cling to Wallonia? I mean, at this point Brussels won't ever be majorly Dutch-speaking again anyways, so why cling to it?
>>61960213
>a fucking orangist
With all due respect, why would you want a Francophone as your king? Say what you want about the house of Orange-Nassau, I'd say they are way more popular (and with good reason) than the Belgian monarchy could ever hope to be.
>>61960380
delet
>>61960329
Heb ik u soms getrekkerd?
There are enough polls that prove over the last decades the amount of actual separatists have not grown, but stayed stable around 10%.
Of these people, 9/10 favors an independent Flanders and does not want to join up with Holland. Why separate, only to give away your newly earned liberty to the Dutch, who will just replace the Walloons? Do you see how retarded that is?
Naturally, separatists deny the validity of any poll and call lefties and socialists anyone who does not believe that former VB and current NVA voters aren't all cheering to split up the country.
>>61960528
>Holland compromises the entire Netherlands
>Implying the Flemish aren't Dutch
What
>>61960448
>A Fleming has more in common with a Brabander, Zeeuw, Limburger or Hollander than a Walloon. I'd say Flemings even have more in common with Hollanders than Groningers or Frisians.
Haha, just read this thread. NOT AT ALL M80!
People generally think Hollanders, Dutch in general, are very rude, loud and arrogant.
The general opinion on Walloons is that they are polite, and closer to us culturally..
>With all due respect, why would you want a Francophone as your king?
Your royal family is fucking French. What do you have against the French language and culture?
Your general anti-French hatred is not shared by Flemings, who might hate on Walloons, but love the French.
Especially the separatists, several are known Frenchboos, one ultra (Koen Dillen, VB) even writes loving books on French presidents under a pseudonym.
And your Orange madness, people would never join that here. My God, no they would not.
>>61960588
Fact: nobody here wants you, not even the separatists.
Fact: Flanders can survive on its own. Still it would be a completely retarded move, and imo we should adopt the Swiss system of total federation instead.
>>61960448
>With all due respect, why would you want a Francophone as your king?
what? king and family are bilingual
>>61960741
>People generally think Hollanders, Dutch in general, are very rude, loud and arrogant.
Well, yes. That stereotype also exists here.
>Dutch in general
Last time I checked, Flemings, Brabanders and Limbourgers are Dutch. They speak Dutch (Belgisch Nederlands, though in many places it's replaced with Verkavelingsvlaams).
>Your general anti-French hatred is not shared by Flemings, who might hate on Walloons, but love the French.
I've seen plenty of counter-evidence, especially against the Bruxellois.
>>61960880
>Flanders can survive on its own
Well, yes. of course they can. They would be way better off without Wallonia.
>>61960741
>The general opinion on Walloons is that they are polite, and closer to us culturally..
Good one Pierre.
>>61960961
Well, the Walloons and French Flemings are also Dutch, and technically, so are the Picardians and Artesians.
>I've seen plenty of counter-evidence, especially against the Bruxellois.
Where, on /int/? ;^)
Look, Bruxellois =/= Walloons, most last names on FDF lists are Flemish! They are francophonic Flemings, our old upper class, they have nothing to do with the Walloons. But what has this to do with the French, still one of the most popular holiday destinations of the Fleming, where he enjoys tasting the local foods and drinks (while Dutch mobile-home tourists have the stereotype of being cheap and bringing their own food, and not interacting with locals) and socializing with the local French peasants.
>>61960741
>Walloons is that they are polite, and closer to us culturally..
They're calling our language barbarian m8...
>>61960950
>king and family are bilingual
French is their main language friendo.. They might be bilingual but it's just to keep up appearances.
The ones that still think a language is enough to provide the glue to unite a people: look at Yugoslavia.
>>61960741
>The general opinion on Walloons is that they are polite, and closer to us culturally..
It's really not
N. Brabant, Limburg > almost all of Wallifornia
> Hollanders > "people" from Charleroi
>>61961245
>They're calling our language barbarian m8...
Who cares about that m8. And we call them lazy and good-for-nothing poorfags. So what? Grow a thicker skin.
>French is their main language friendo..
Sure, most people speak 1 main language, at home, with the family etc. Remember that for centuries French was the lingua *franca* of the nobility.
They (Filip & Mathilde) speak perfect Dutch, they watch Flemish tv etc... What do you want more, and why does Kees (or Jaap, Joop <-- more shared culture kek) think they only speak French?
>>61961201
>Well, the Walloons and French Flemings are also Dutch, and technically, so are the Picardians and Artesians.
Not really, they don't speak Dutch, which is one of the things making a person Dutch. What makes a person Dutch is somewhat arbitrary, but in general Dutch means a speaker of Germanic languages from the Low Countries, not just people from the Low Countries. Of course, Luikenaren, Luxemburgers and Eupenaren are generally considered German instead of Dutch. Atrechtenaren and Picardiërs are French, but I'll give you the still Dutch-speaking area of the French Westhoek.
>Bruxellois =/= Walloons, most last names on FDF lists are Flemish!
Yeah, true. Franskiljonnen are seen as traitors for a reason.
>and socializing with the local French peasants.
Which is another double standard in Belgium. Flemish people are expected to learn French, while Walloons can easily opt out of Dutch.
>>61961510
>and why does Kees (or Jaap, Joop <-- more shared culture kek) think they only speak French?
Well, you can't exactly blame me. Brussels, and Belgium in general, always seems to promote itself as a French-speaking country, even though the majority is Flemish.
>>61961476
Because Charleroi == Wallonia. That is like saying a loud asshole from Antwerp represents the whole of Flanders.
also
>Wallifornia
>not Walbania
it's like you even can't into keyboard warfare
>>61961622
>Brussels, and Belgium in general, always seems to promote itself as a French-speaking country, even though the majority is Flemish.
How's life in 1950?
>>61961747
>Implying Brussels is in practice still bilingual
kek
I'm pretty sure you won't get far with just Dutch, even the local Brabantic dialect.
>>61961530
>Which is another double standard in Belgium. Flemish people are expected to learn French, while Walloons can easily opt out of Dutch.
French, like English, has a greater impact factor. But again, in the last decades, many Walloons choose to learn both English and Dutch, to be able to find a decent job here, as you need to speak Dutch to work in Flanders. And they know it.
Also, I have met several Walloons who speak fluent Flemish/Dutch, one of them moved here from Charleroi 10 years ago.
>Yeah, true. Franskiljonnen are seen as traitors for a reason.
Only by VB-voting separatists. Bart Dewever even offered the uncle of the current queen, count d'Udekem d'Acoz, a NVA party card when the latter expressed his sympathies.
Proof: ask 10 random Flemings on the street what the word franskiljon means. Goood luck lol.
>Not really, they don't speak Dutch,
They have been considered Dutch, and coonsidered themselves Dutch, since their beginnings, and now, because they don't speak Dutch they aren''t part of the Netherlands anymore? Sure m8.
When I was in Bourgogne, a local even told me "do you know that you are more Bourguignon than us?" when I told him I was born and raised in Bruges. (We still refer to ourselves as Burgundians)
>>61961694
Wallifornia is far, far more insulting. It implies Wallonia is some rejected piece of Morocco or shit like that.
>>61961876
I never even implied that, you would know if you would have read the tread. I'm tired of repeating myself.
Yeah, some outsiders think we are little Frenchmen. You can thank Agatha Christie for that, her Poirot. Why would that be any different than the old stereotypes, of rich Americans with big cigars, of all Russians being Hollywood villains etc etc etc ad nauseum
>>61962182
last tiem I checked California was a rich, industrious part of the USA, while Albania and Walbania are pretty close infrastructure-wise. (Walloons are not violent criminals though, our quarrels are strictly verbal)
>>61962084
>When I was in Bourgogne,
Which Bourgogne? Boergondië or Bonen?
I'm pretty sure Boergondië has never been Dutch-speaking or part of the Low Countries, whereas Bonen was. But I don't think people from Bonen still call themselves Burgundian and definitely not Dutch.
>>61962487
Boergondië. Also, the origin of the name Bonen (BouLogne) comes from Bononium.
Before the Romans came, the Belgic tribe of the Morini, of pure Celtic stock, lived there.
Romans turned it into Gesoriacum, and afterwards under Salian rule the locals gave it back its original name.
Also, the Netherlands, or Low Lands, it's the name of the land, nothing to do with the language. And even then, Franks spoke both Nederfrankisch and (vulgar) Latin. The Southern Netherlands have since those days been bilingual. Frankisch became Dutch, and Latin became Oil and later French.
>>61962487
and I forgot, the reference was to the days of the Burgundian empire, when Flanders was a most important region in the late Middle Ages.
It was back then when the stock market was invented, in Bruges, in the home of the family Ter Beurse, hence the name beurs - stock market. That place is a stone throw from my house btw.
>>61962769
>and Latin became Oil and later French.
No. Latin became Oïl and then it branched. You had French at one side and Walloon at the other - a related but distinct language. However, since Walloons lack the same balls Swiss Germans had, they allowed France to replace the local language with French.
Nowadays, like, only 1/6 or so of the local population speaks its own language.
i like flemings
consider them as as fellow countrymen, though they sometimes get offended by this
>>61963635
>1/6 or so of the local population speaks its own language.
That's a very generous estimate.
>>61963635
>No. Latin became Oïl and then it branched.
of course, that was what I said, wasn't it?
>You had French at one side and Walloon at the other - a related but distinct language.
No, I'm pretty sure French (Paris dialect) was a part of the Oil branch.
It's not about Walloons lacking balls, you can make the same accusation at the adress of the Swiss French, yet you pick the Swiss Germans as counter-example.
Better would be to state that in Napoleon's days, maybe 1/4th of the country spoke French. The better classes. It is true that the centralising idea of the French revolution pretty much killed local languages like Langues d'Oc and Langues d'Oil. It's a wonder Breton survived, and Flemish (French Flanders annexed in the 17th century).
French people really do not like "patois", dialect, and treat it with disgust. In this they see themselves as successors to the Romans, who did exactly the same.
>>61963757
>i like flemings
that's friendly of you :-)
>consider them as as fellow countrymen, though they sometimes get offended by this
Whatever do you mean? According to this great light: >>61960029 everyone of his friends and on /int/ (probably the same) wants to join up with you.
How some Flemings act here, is like they can't wait to be the gay bottom boy of Holland.
>>61964134
I mean that the local language, even being Romance, wasn't French.
>French people really do not like "patois", dialect, and treat it with disgust. In this they see themselves as successors to the Romans, who did exactly the same.
It's less about the peoples you consider French and more about language policies from France making people to be literally ashamed (Occitans described it well as "The Shaming", La Vergonha of their own cultures and heritages. France blobbing into Wallonia didn't help in this regard.
And yes, Swiss Burgundians lack the balls too. (Not just for that... that "OOOH I INVADE BERN" episode was laughable.)
>>61964376
Yes, it was Oil (speak as: "Wal"). French was the local Oil dialect of Paris before branching out.
Walloon Oil is the oldest of them all iirc.
>It's less about the peoples you consider French and more about language policies from France making people to be literally ashamed (Occitans described it well as "The Shaming", La Vergonha of their own cultures and heritages. France blobbing into Wallonia didn't help in this regard.
Exactly, nail on the head. People who did not speak French had to wear signs around their necks, and you could only get rid of it when you found another guy who could not speak French.
Personally I think it is a cultural difference between Romance and Germanic peoples. Romance cultures use the language as a centralizing element much more, look at the Italians for example. While Germanics are more into preserving local dialects. Here I also count the Flemings, who are Celto-Germanics.
>>61954160
>lol calvinist scum
Not even the 2/3 of the Netherlands was and is protestant, and far from all protestants were and are Calvinist.
>>61964678
>Here I also count the Flemings, who are Celto-Germanics.
I'll give you Flemings proper (Menapians n sheeit) but Brabanders, Liègois and Limburgers? I doubt it, unless you consider the Swiss, Austrians, Turks, Spanish, and Czech something-ified Celts.
>>61955449
Iowa would be a good option (Only come if you plan to start a business and create a jobs though)
We're one of the whitest states, have high gun ownership, and one of the lowest gun crime rates.
Only problem is the PMSing weather, but soon you're going to get that everywhere.
BTW Walloon survived and even was dominant in rural areas until around WW II. It took only 30 years for it to die, although there are still some speakers.
When I was in Liège and Arlon, I saw they used bilingual street signs, in French and in Walloon resp. Letzenburgisch for folkloristic reasons.
>>61964708
Doesn't matter, upper class was predominantly protestant, many Dutch will agree that there is still a calvinist culture today, hence the bad food in NL for example.
>>61964912
>many Dutch will agree that there is still a calvinist culture today, hence the bad food in NL for example.
Wat de neug wauwel je nu weer?
>>61964854
we wuz franks though
this whole thread
Netherlands should annex belgium to keep the european map clean
>>61960415
Most of the Belgian on /int/ and /pol/ are pretty stupid and dont post usually..Hence the chance of seeing belgian anon are pretty low.. but I have encountered lots of belgian poster on /mu/ and /fa/ though..suprisingly more than dutch people
>>61964854
True, they're much more Germanic, but around the early 5th century we know (from hagiography of saints like Victricius) that there were 3 sizeable Belgae tribes still living here when the Franks settled (Menapii, Morini in Flanders and Nervii in Hainaut) and it is very possible that they were members of the Frankish confederation. This is when you do not count the Treveri in the Ardennes and Luxemburg.
But, as the Menapii lived in Brabant and Limburg too but gradually got absorbed into Toxandrii and Suevi (Zwevezele, Zwevegem).
Although you are absolutely right, there is still a pronounced Gallo-Roman element in Brabant and Limburg. In Antwerp there is even up to 20% R1b-U152, a haplogroup commonly associated with the Romans.
It is visible today, Dutch are generally taller and look more like Danes, while Flemings, Walloons, and people from northern France are virtually indistinguishable.
>>61965197
This desu
>Inb4 some sperg comes along and says Flemish isn't Dutch because something something shared culture with Walloons
>>61965023
m8, I repeated the very words of a Dutchman in the /nederdraad/ not long ago.
Dutch can't into food and serve small foamy beer because enjoying life = bad, because of historical calvinist mentality. His very words.
>>61965057
Franks were a confederacy of local tribes, who wanted to live the Roman lifestyle, but did not want to pay taxes. Frank still means free. And for example Nervian cohorts after serving in the Roman army financed the Franks in the 3rd century (after settling back in the area).
>>61965197
only after I annex your mum
and Slavs annex Eastern Germany, which is Slavic ever since the 6th century.
>>61965406
>Dutch can't into food and serve small foamy beer because enjoying life = bad, because of historical calvinist mentality. His very words.
That was probably the same anon who didn't know what a Fjord was.
It's bullshit. Small foamy beers are because we're cheap. And we have a pretty good cuiside (not haute cuisine) by Northern European standards. I'd even say it isn't that different from the Belgian (Flemish) cuisine.
I can't think of a since dish that's popular in Flanders that isn't popular in the Netherlands, while I can think of plenty for the reverse, though admittedly most of that is from our colonies.
>>61965614
proof?
Belgium has absolute zero right to exist, and should be annexed
pic related
Not at all, I feel vastly inferior both in culture and "language" to the Netherlands.
>>61965332
btw Flemish dialect (county of Flanders) is Ingvaeonic (Northsea-Germanic) and in the same family as English and Frisian.
>>61965621
>And we have a pretty good cuiside (not haute cuisine) by Northern European standards
haha, yeah, by Northern Euro standards, exactly.
>>61965679
bullshit, we're the original Frankish homeland
as a nation and a people we're older than you
We formed a union before it was cool and other tribes copied us and became Saxons and Allemanni.
We conquered and united Europe. We're rightful heirs to the Romans. AUSTRASIA STRONK
>>61965332
Flemish isn't Dutch because something something shared culture with Walloons
>>61965688
Jesus Christ, the separatists moan about Flemings having a slave mentality, and look at you here, you are basically begging for Dutchmen to douse you in their maatjesharing smelling cum. You swallow their bullshit and you swallow hard. For shame.
>>61965738
>btw Flemish dialect (county of Flanders) is Ingvaeonic (Northsea-Germanic)
I still don't really understand this. Does this mean all Low Franconian Dutch dialects are Ingvaeonic? Or just West Flemish? What about West-Frisian from North Holland? Or Hollandic, since Holland's basically just Frankified Frisia? And does this mean Frisian, English and Low Franconian have a more recent common ancestor than with Low Saxon? Or even just Flemish and Frisian?
So many questions.
>>61965914
>we're the original Frankish homeland
As a Sallander, it is my duty to object.
WE WUZ SALIAN FRANKS N SHEEIT
>>61966016
I really do, I'm sorry to dissapoint you :c
Ugh. Could be because I have some family there and it just feels better or something.
>>61965914
...well if you look on the map Austrasias core was half half nowadays german or belgian clay.
So share the glory.
sooo if you dont want wallonia anymore we'll take them
>>61966016
You fucked up Brüssel from flemish to walloon by importing arabs, I think thats a reason to be mad.
>>61965914
always liked the "begining cross" of the Frankish Empire
>>61966161
But luxemburg, theyare overrun by immigrants and unproductive compared to the flemish.
What do you see in them?
You should take back "Luxemburh" though.
>>61966139
>belgian clay
no such thing
You got the HQ of EU!
If it was in Stockholm, Swedes would they own the world
>>61966242
we'll feed the wallonians to the portuguese and keep the land
>>61966308
Kek.
Went to a good portuguesse resturant in Luxemburg, called the good friend..in portuguese.
Amazing stuff.
I think they could make a lot of ham out of them.
>>61966018
>I still don't really understand this.
Let me help you.
>Does this mean all Low Franconian Dutch dialects are Ingvaeonic?
No they are Istvaeonic, or continental West-Germanic
>Or just West Flemish?
West-Flemish, East-Flemish, Zeeuws and French-Flemish
>What about West-Frisian from North Holland?
Yes Frisian also belongs to the Anglo-Frisian family, which is synonymous with Ingvaeonic or Northsea-Germanic.
>Or Hollandic, since Holland's basically just Frankified Frisia?
No, they speak a Franconic dialect, you've already answered your question
>And does this mean Frisian, English and Low Franconian have a more recent common ancestor than with Low Saxon? Or even just Flemish and Frisian?
West-Germanic split off from North-Germanic around 700 BC. Somewhere along the road this split into Ingvaeonic, Istvaeonic and another one I forgot at the moment. Later East-Germanic split from North-Germanic, around the 1st century, that is why Gothic pretty much looks like a Nordic branch. As you know, these did not survive (Crimean Gothic lasted until 17th century as a local oddity, until they became miuslim and merged with Tatars)
>>61966308
or build a wall around it and let them fight eachother rapefugees vs waffles
>>61966477
Waffles would only begin to fight after they have no suburbs to flee to anymore.
>>61966417
portuguese can make everything taste good with enough salt even tough wallonian farmers
>>61966422
>Yes Frisian also belongs to the Anglo-Frisian family
I meant West-Frisian, as in the Franconian dialect spoken in the tip of North Holland which has a Frisian substrate.
> and another one I forgot at the moment
Irminoic, right?
>>61966117
True, for a very small amount of time, likely it was mainly Sicambrians who settled there. So although they took the name of the land when regrouping their remnants, Sicambri/Sugambri lived for a much longer time as a large tribe in West-Germany border region.
Compare with the Batavi (Betuwe), who were just Chatti (Katwijk, note the Kat-) that resettled because they were Romanboos and got kicked out of Hessen (again Chatti/Hessen toponymy says everything). Batavi even became Celtboo in late Roman days, 3 languages were used there, as a side-note. You autist would hate it.
>>61966138
disgusting
>>61966191
Yeah, I wrote that post: >>61958383 . But you say it as if only Brussels imported Arabs in the last decades. You say it as if any large city in Western Europe doesn't have the exact same problem.
Also, our own people should decide how they want to live and with who. The opinions of autistic foreigner faragebots are disregarded.
>>61966598
>I meant West-Frisian, as in the Franconian dialect spoken in the tip of North Holland which has a Frisian substrat
there I can't give you a direct answer, I have to look it up
>Irminoic, right?
yes!! thank you vriendschap ;^)
>>61966851
No I am saying that that reason was extraordinarily petty and retarded.
Shows that the french are also pretty good at culture imperialism.
>Only our language can express enlightened ideas,hon hon!
>>61966191
also Brussels isn't "Walloon"
Walloon =/= francophonic, French-speaking Flemings are still Flemings. FDF is full of them (franco-manic Brussels liberal party), while they have no support in Wallonia.
read: >>61961201
>>61966929
PS:
What about Farrage?
I just would like you to admit you are dicks to the flemish.
>>61966929
Yeah they are, just like you, and the Brits also are. Culture imperialism, exactly that.
Not like you never wanted to introduce German as official language in Flanders, and I'm not only talking about the nazi period.
>>61967141
No, never :^)
>Guess why I included the also.
>>61967038
Pss: I am Flemish. Read the fucking thread.
Ik heb verdomme in alle jaren die ik hier verprutst heb nog geen handvol Walen tegengekomen. Paranoïde separatisten en Hollanders zien ze overal. En omdat de Hollander alles wat Frans is haat, moet zijn Vlaamse sletje op zijn maat gaan dansen in de hoop dat hij kaaskoppikken mag zuigen.
>>61967287
Naja, das ist dann ja ..gut?
Zeigt das es Verständigung gibt.
Mit dem EU Superstaat hat sich das alles ja sowieso erledigt.
Und ich denke die französische Sprache und Kultur wären kein problem wenn die Betrefenden nicht rammeln würden wie die Karnickel.
>Auf die Zukunft.
>>61967111
Walloon in the modern sense. Until three decades ago, Flanders was the old county of Flanders, and Wallonia the axis Charleroi-Liège.
The new meaning since the early 90s (if you don'tt count the unionism to federalism transition period from the 70s to the 90s) is: Flemish = Dutch speaking region, Walloon = French speaking region.
It is incorrect but convenient, and in Flanders, because we used the name Walloon to refer to French-speakers in general (just like we say Holland to the whole of the Netherlands), this quickly took root. But on the other side of the language border, non-Walloon French speakers like Belgian Luxemburg will never refer to themselves as Walloons, but rather as "French-speakers".
Now we have semi-surreal situations like the most rabid Flemish nationalists living in Antwerp, Brabant.
>>61967287
>Hollanders
Trekkerwaarschuwing aub
De Nederlanders die het hardst roepen om Vlaamse onafhankelijkheid zijn de Noord-Brabanders en de Limburgers.
>>61967403
Eigenlijk gaat het hier gedeeltelijk over opgekropte frustratie en revanchisme langs Vlaamse kant, uit een periode waarin Frans de dominante taal was, zoals het Engels nu.
Begrijp me niet verkeerd, ik ben overtuigd (con)federalist, en ijver voor een Zwitsers systeem, waar een regio maximale autonomie heeft en waar de regio's beslissen waar ze in samen gaan werken. De regio's zijn verdeeld volgens voertaal. Vlaams in Vlaanderen, Frans in Wallonië en Duits in de Oostkantons.
De Zwitsers hebben 1x unionisme geprobeerd, en het is in burgeroorlog geëindigd. Dat was onze vergissing, hier hadden we unionisme tot de jaren 70, maar de Walen wilden géén tweetalig Wallonië in 1929. Nu willen ze daar ineens wel een volledig tweetalig België, maar daarvoor is het veel te laat.
Met revanchisme en naijver bereik je niet veel. We zijn nog altijd geen Balkanland, wij zijn beschaafd en gaan niet op de vuist.
>>61967602
>>61967688
reservebelgen dus? ;^)
>>61967908
I am the only one defending them more or less here. Most of the Walloon/French-hate here and in the /nederdraad/ is completely senseless, I bet a lot of Dutchmen never even seen one from nearby.
>>61967893
>Vlaams in Vlaanderen, Frans in Wallonië en Duits in de Oostkantons.
En Brussel? En de Vlaamse gemeentes rond Brussel?
>>61968078
Een hele grote bom
>>61967893
Würde wirklich einiges lösen, hast du Recht.
Ich frage mich aber ob die Leute in Brüssel das durchgehen lassen.
Wäre anscheinend die ideale Lösung wenn man den Leuten ihre Autonomie und eigene Schulpolitik und Hauptsprache erlaubt.
Zum Thema Balkan:
Zentraleurope war früher der Hyperbalkan, insbesondere Deutschland.
So lange ists ja nicht her.
>>61968066
just a question is flemish even a school subject in wallonia?
>>61966248
This land has always been called Belgium in Latin. The land of the Belgae, who were our Celto-Germanic ancestors (mostly Germanic tribes who crossed the Rhine and adopted a Celtic culture when being a Celt was still cool, in the first centuries before Christ. Actual Celts here were seafarers and porked with neighbouring Germanics such as the Chauci).
pic related is from 1617.
>>61968623
Yes, but optional and not required iirc.
The reverse, however, isn't really the case. Like the Dutch from the Netherlands, the Flemish pride themselves on being polyglots, and from a certain level you have to have had some French. English is a core subject. Many Walloons, however, have to choose between continuing to learn English, German or Dutch, and more often then not they chose English as their second language.
België is een kankerland dat nooit had mogen bestaan. 1830 was een vergissing, anders was Brussel nog puur Vlaams.
11 JULI 1302, NOOIT VERGEET
>>61968657
Balgae is a meme you stupid Walloon. My land is the Duchy of Brabant.
>>61968825
ok thank you
Why Wallon and Flemish hate eachothers, at the beginning?
>>61955039
people are okay with Switzerland and its 4 languages because Switzerland isn't a failed sate
>>61968890
you happen to be from brugge?
>>61969047
But people in Swiss just get one's living with eachother
>>61968078
>En Brussel?
tweetalig, eventueel Engels in de Europese wijk
> En de Vlaamse gemeentes rond Brussel?
Vlaams natuurlijk.
>>61968169
Inderdaad, het was Bismarck die de lappendeken van vorstendommen, baronieën en stadstaatjes eengemaakt heeft. Echter had dat lappendeken vroeger heel wat voordelen, zoals het kunnen zeggen "kus mijn kloten" wanneer de paus of keizer soldaten nodig heeft. Vandaar de militaristische traditie in het oude Duitsland (niet enkel Pruisen), en ook wij in Vlaanderen trachtten zoveel mogelijk autonomie te verkrijgen voor de steden en het graafschap (Vlaanderen), hertogdom (Brabant) of prinsdom (Luik). Balkanisering was voordelig voor zijn inwoners in het feodale tijdperk. Deels daarom ook dat taalpolitiek in die tijd niet echt van belang was.
>>61968623
Yes, but they can choose between Dutch and English. They generally suck at both, althoug the younger generation is picking them up.
They used to be proud of speaking a language that "everyone in the world understands" but that was now long ago. Just like the French youth they learn English now, and the ones who want to work in Flanders learn Dutch.
Not wanting to learn other languages is stupid and in the long run you only hurt yourself with it.
When I was in Arlon I overheard a worker complaining that his boss in Luxemburg country fired him because he couldn't read a sign in English and make a mistake because of it.
If I was to believe him, the typical Luxemburger is a tophat wearing capitalist who understands French but doesn't want to speak it, prefering to speak "patois". I kekked hard, needless to say.
>>61969047
agreed
>>61969047
Before belgiums start to debate this, remember that you spend 589 days without a government
>>61968890
Congrats, you are a retard.
>>61969075
Probably Antwerp, judging from his post. I live in Brugge though, born and raised.
>>61969120
the thing with french is just that most of the luxembourgers have grown a little tired of having to speak french in every restaurant or shop they go toand ye you HAVE to speak french german and luxembourgish to even hope to get a job in most places , you have a better chance if you can speak portuguese and german too italian not so much because 99% of the italians who immigrated here have fully adapted to luxembourgish culture and speak fluent luxembourgish even the older ones . the thing with the capitalist is true tho lel
>>61969043
We don't really hate each other, it's just language politics quarreling, and mostly a mid-to-late 20th century thing. The Dutch are the real French-haters, I never understood why. They really seem to dislike anything French, and constantly try to fan the flames in a conflict that isn't theirs.
Naturally, as you may have noted, they surround themselves with Flemish idiots who act like bottom gayboys for them. The same idiots that claim Flemings have a slave mentality, as if they are proud of that.
>>61969403
You describe them as some "American rednecks"
But, hhm... more stupid Tbh. Is it true?
>>61969320
Yeah, Luxembourg financial havens is tired of democracy. Thanks bro.
>>61969403
>t. krulbroodje
Walen hebben een kut cultuur die altijd socialisten stemmen zodat ze nog wat meer kunnen staken. Luie walen is misschien maar een stereotype maar er zit een hoop waarheid achter.
Het feit dat ze merendeels socialistisch stemmen is al reden genoeg om te splitsen, als ze een put willen graven en alle hoofddoekjes uitnodigen dan moeten ze dat maar doen maar de Vlamingen moeten hier niet onder lijden.
>>61969047
For a failed state we have a pretty high living standard.
But yeah, unionism was a mistake. No reason why we can't correct it, and it would be much less retarded than splitting the country and dealing with hot potatoes such as Brussels and our whole infrastructure (railroads for example) being split.
Flanders used to be poor as fuck before WW II. We demanded cultural autonomy and ever since our economy boomed, we are now one of the richest regions in Western Europe. Not really "failed".
The Walloons thought their charbon-based empire was going to last and made a fatal mistake. But instead of jacking off to that because I am a passive agressive fucker, I prefer to look into the near future and remodel Belgium to the Swiss example.
>>61969094
I'm not sure if we really get on with eachother. Rather we just mind our own business and let the germans, romands and italians go about their stuff their own way.
I'm from the german part of the country, and in the army there were quite a few who looked down on the romands
>>61969611
Mais d'abord nous devons nous débarasser de notre premier
>>61969535
I was talking about the Dutch.
>>61969685
^^ look at this idiot. He still thinks I'm a Walloon, yet I've mentioned elvendertig keer that I am not, made whole posts in Flemish/Dutch, but that is how they are. They see Walloons everywhere, while truth of the matter is, I'm not even certain they've got already internet there :^) For the rest he is parrotting Flemish nationalist propaganda brochures; with lots of stereotyping terms as "lazy Walloons", "they don't want to work" and everyone who is Walloon and/or who disagrees is a "socialist". Needless to say, people like him are often kids of entrepreneurs, business owners who see the trade unions as enemies. That is why their ideology never really takes off, except when an intelligent leader such as Bart Dewever panders to them, as he knows the real reason for his votes is because people are fed up with certain muslim immigrants.
Should such a moron look into the reason why certain people vote for the socialists, and learn that one cannot eat a flag, they might actually learn a thing or two. Instead, they prefer to parrot their propaganda, insult everyone who doesn't agree, and go gay with some loudmouth and equally shallow Dutchmen.
t. educated Belgium-supporting confederalist Flemish conservative
>>61970208
Ben je achterlijk ofzo, ik heb heus wel door dat je Vlaams bent.
>>61969785
When I was in Switzerland (German and French regions) I was surprised that people shared our sense of provincialism. Meaning: the German-speaking Switzer hates the other German-speakers from another village 20km away with vehemence, much more than he hates fellow Switzers who speak a different language.
>>61970208
>Should such a moron look into the reason why certain people vote for the socialists
Are Walloons oppressed now?
>>61970295
Waarom noem je me dan krulbroodje, en waarom klink je als een folder van VB?
>>61969776
I have to admit that I mostly only get to hear the bad things about Belgium so maybe failed state was a bit harsh.
I wouldn't put too much hope on remodelling Belgium after Switzerland, after Switzerland went through 500 years of war and internal instability before it became something we could recognise as modern Switzerland.
Further I get the impression that the fault lines in Belgian society are far deeper than in Swiss society. After all historically we've had Catholic vs. Reformed, Conservative vs. Liberal, Urban vs. Rural, French vs. German, Bern vs. everyone else and almost none of the divisions really converged so no one conflict was ever really able to gain steam in the last 150 years, whereas I get the impression that Walloon vs. Flemish is the only significant division in Belgium (please correct me if I'm wrong), which will inevitably cause more problems than the language division in Switzerland.
>>61970388
Stop met u debiele commentaren gij pretentieuze snotbal.
>>61970352
hint: many Flemish people also vote for socialists
>>61970436
>Further I get the impression that the fault lines in Belgian society are far deeper than in Swiss society.
I disagree, it's really just language politics we quarrel over. I think you have such an impression because you base your opinion on Belgium on what you read on 4chan ;^)
>>61970444
Ik doe tenminste nog enige moeite mijn visie te onderbouwen, jij bent gewoon een sukkel die niets anders kan dan schelden en propagandazinnetjes herhalen. Vertel ons nog eens hoe lui de Walen zijn. Mongool.
>>61951364
Yeah
I mean Belgium is probably one of the best countries to live in so there are things we can be proud of.
walloons don't have internet, so how are they going to post here?
>>61970586
>vertel ons nog eens hoe lui de Walen zijn
Ik ben er van overtuigd dat de Walen een Romaanse cultuur hebben, wat ook inhoud dat hun werkethos behoorlijk lager ligt. Lange pauzes, constante stakingen, etc.
>>61970681
I do though, you kankerneger kuthollander
>>61970586
Het is zoals een fait divers dat de walen veel meer staken dan Vlamingen zeker, klojo.
>>61970771
>kuthollander
>Implying all Dutchmen are Hollanders
Waalse """educatie"""
>>61970681
hey there my cheese eating friend
>>61970821
Same shit different toilet ;^)
>>61970820
Ja, een fait divers dat groteske proporties aanneemt in verdwaalde geesten zoals de uwe.
>>61970771
>>61970830
welcome my Walloon friend and compatriote
you are sure to enjoy this thread, it has the typical Dutch hatred against everything French, and their usual share of Flemish useful idiots who go full gay for them.
>>61970771
>kankerneger kuthollander
haha, we don't really have those, except the walloon makakken that come buy weed* in my beautiful maastricht
*melange of pubis and sawdust
it always confuses me why you come to buy weed, when you can get high off of the fumes of cockerill sambre for free
>>61970452
>hint: many Flemish people also vote for socialists
Het laatste sossenbastion is Gent, en zelfs dat staat op springen.
>>61971045
>feiten maken je een verdwaalde geest
ok vriend
>>61971072
kek
be thankful our people waste some money to buy your stuff, else you'd be piss poor
>>61971045
>>61961694
That's not what I was saying at all
>>61971257
>>61971301
>>61971366
thank you for underlining my point
pls go ahead and insult me some more, I already have a semi
>>61971349
>else you'd be piss poor
kek
>>61971449
Dank je voor je feiten voor te leggen waarom Walen zoveel meer staken, ze zijn allemaal misbegrepen arme rakkers.
>>61971349
I cannot even
>a Belgian Bosnian calling someone else poor
>coupled to that, the few shekels that you have are sponsored by sugar daddy Flanders
>>61955449
>>61955303
if you're rich go move to san francisco area
its the nicer place to live in the states, 10/10 weather all year around and magnificient nature, architecture, beauty.
just has homeless people pissing everywhere but easily avoidable. also the cheapest house is probably a million.
>>61971546
it was a joke m8, you dutchlards are unfunny as fuck, I can definitely see why the Flems hate you all
i'm headed to bed now, I gotta get up early for work tomorrow
>>61971711
If you dish out the banter, be prepared to get hit with banter.
>>61971711
no they love us
bone nuit dormir bien copain
>>61971518
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX8ZeZJqOE0
>>61971711
haha, nice one, have a good night copain
>>61953787
>But Flanders is ours
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Golden_Spurs
>Het is een Belgen met een gigantisch inferieuriteitscomplex die hun gal even moeten spuwen draad
>>61955922
Exactly.
Multi-ethnic states are a joke.
It's 2016, what kind of feudalism is this?
>>61972008
Zij die een inferioriteitscomplex hebben omringen jullie gewoonlijk als een hond zijn baas, zoals bijvoorbeeld: >>61965688
Mocht ik in jouw plaats zijn zou ik er ten volle van genieten.
>>61972581
>inferior
Vlaamse ruit, aub.
>>61954270
You lost.
>>61972933
FRANSE RATTEN
ROLT UW MATTEN
>>61973202
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Athis-sur-Orge
>>61973202
zie hier, het nageslacht van Jan Breydel
Ik zweer het je, had ik maar iemand die me zo toegewijd is als de flaminganten op /int/ voor de Hollanders. Ik zou dan maar met de vingers moeten knippen en hij gaat al in de houding liggen.
>D-doe ik het goed, meester?
>asjemenou wat geil zeg, wat een sletje ben je toch, malle Bart
>n-neem me hard Kees
> <3
>>61973371
Wat als de hele Benelux zich herenigt en het Zwitserse model overneemt met daarin een aparte Vlaamse deelstaat. Wat zou je daarvan vinden?
So, what did the french bring us except muh kitchen (which is mostly overrated garbage)?
>>61973371
Wat is dat met uw irrationele haat jegens de Hollanders, en waar heb ik mij ergens uitgesproken over een eenmaking met Nederland?
