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Discussion of Turanian cultures, languages and history.
Invited: All Turanian nations and peoples
Not invited: Filthy Indian-Europeans
Turan btfo
Long live Arslan
>>61913082
This is now Mongol land.
>>61913124
Aryans are not welcome, shooshoo
/turan/
>>61913176
Embrace Turanism and cast off the shackles of pan-Europeanist Hittite wannabeism.
Quality thread tbqh
Are they Turanic?
>>61913082
Am I invited or am I not invited? I am neither Indo, nor am I European.
>>61913643
soon
turkish delight is shit
Post songs that you'll be chanting on the glorious day of redemption that is pic related
https://youtu.be/MUCzFFrMM9I?t=232
>>61913692
https://youtu.be/1rmo3fKeveo?t=23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUxyh1HTssU
>>61913082
Fiest, I must shout, "white (non-Turanian) pig go home!"
Remember, do not non-Turan posters seriously.
>>61913859
*Take
>>61913859
>tfw my shitty Soviet built yгcapмaл is hot even when it's 23:30 and only 18 outside
turan
Does anyone know nice turanic movies I've already watched mongol and the marco polo series but that basically it.
I want some nice horse archery on screen god damnit.
>>61913976
>moved out of my comblock 8 years ago
Best feel
>>61914007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnwU4nDim6Q#t=39
Such an epic film
>>61914007
>mongol
Triggered, desu.
>>61914034
>tfw I don't live in UB
Only options are blocks, shitty modern blocks, gers (lel), or shitty houses that fall apart after one winter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAtTT3hrEg0
>>61913976
Can you write Mongolian calligraphy?
>>61914116
I watched that one, it's really amazing.
I think the Full version in on YT.
>>61914107
RIP, gers are comfy in xodoo though
Btw mongol wasn't that bad. Sure it isn't historically accurate but I would rather that than it being a boring movie.
>>61914007
a movie about japanese & turkish friendship "ertuğrul"
dunno if it counts as a turanic movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgRHqEY8EQ
>>61914140
>calligraphy
No
>write in Uyghur script
Yeah
>>61914140
No. The government is bringing it back though, or so they say. It's on official documents (like diplomas, laws, etc).
The former commies just got elected but they will probably continue promoting script. Who knows.
>>61914172
Yeah, I think the non-Mongolian actors trying to speak Mongolian was just kinda kek-worthy at times.
I need to move back to UB, lad. Everything here is closed. Hell, even if it weren't Naadam stuff closes at like 10pm, aside from a shitty club or two (but GEE totally played here! duhhh)
>>61914107
>gers
How can you unironically live in a fucking yurt when it's -33 degrees outside?
>>61914211
Thank you for replying me.
that scripts are great, and that calligraphy is most beautiful art in my life.
I want to learn it.
>>61914249
My grand parents are celebrating lol, they were old members.
Yeah, things are slowly getting better here, drivers are still retarded though watch out.
At least the actors tried man.
>>61914249
Are Mongolian women whores for foreign cock?
>>61914249
Where do you live in if not Ulaanbaatar? I was under the impression that the rest of Mongolia is just cold barren steppes, with half of the population living in UB and all.
>>61914348
You again?
>>61914270
>have been doing it for thousands of years
>cheaper than a house and mobile
If you don't have money why not?
>>61914199
Eeh I'm more looking for something that shows steppe warfare too bad its too expensive to make.
>>61914376
when will you switch to latin alphabet?
>>61914370
Just ignore the faggot.
>>61914116
Is this from a movie ?
>>61914270
>yurt
Triggered again, lad.
Gers are honestly fine in all weather conditions.
They have extra layers and a ping (like a front room connected) in winter and during summer (it gets up to 40 where I live) people just take all but a thin layer off and do most of the cooking outside.
Honestly like the other Mongol lad said they are comfy in the countryside. The city gers are shit, though.
>>61914338
I don't really care, the news laws made all of the meme parties pretty much fail, which is kinda sad but whatever. Curious to see what happens for ol' President 'Dorj.
>>61914348
Generally not.
>>61914367
Nah, UB is where more than half of the people love, but there are a few cities - Darkhan, Erdenet, DZ, Choibalsan...none over 100K people but they are still "cities"
>>61914414
People do it usually on phones, but the government wants to switch to script from Cyrillic. Kazakhstan is switching to Latin, though.
>>61914414
Never, where do you get this idea?
>>61914376
How do you stay warm in a leather tent when it's that fucking freezing outside?
>>61914249
That is very cool.
It seems that It's Semitic scripts on vertical writing
>>61914445
>>61914449
Kazakhs and tatars tried to switch to latin alphabet, it's a part of postsoviet de-russification, i thought same occures in mongolia
>>61914140
can anyone tell me what are these little red things?
i think i've seen other tamgas looking like these before
here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silla#/media/File:Seal_of_Silla.png
and here, on the album cover at bottom left
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tw8BW0PB_k
does it have a meaning?
>>61914497
No, we had a script before that so we are going back to it.
>>61914489
Felt not leather and there is this wonderful invention called the fire.
>>61914495
>>61914497
I like the script. Just have never gotten around to learning it. Cyrillic is fine. Most people, especially older people, don't have issue with the Russians. Hell, Russian used to be popular here.
A major mining company, GOK, was just sold by the Russians so some people are kinda worried, but whatever.
>>61914489
Lots of felt, blankets, deel (the native dress), and fire, lad.
>>61914569
tulek right
>>61914569
>>61914581
ok
will you fight for mongolia if china tries to return lost Outer Mongolia? hehe
>>61914524
I guess that is hanko in Japanese.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_(emblem)
>>61914524
Those are Chinese post stamps.
The lines on the image describes the route the postman has to take, in order to deliver whatever it's attached to.
>>61914489
And to be honest last time I was in a ger in winter I was fucking sweating it was so hot.
>>61914633
PRC has no claim on "Outer" Mongolia. They enjoy the buffer status, anyway.
Inner Mongolia uses the script still, which is cool, but there are more Chinese than Mongolians there so...
>>61914524
Just the emblem of the author I think? Something like a seal.
>>61914633
It won't be a fight, it will be a massacre. Fucking chinks don't know how to fight.
>return
t. Chang?????
>>61914569
>>61914581
>You'll never get comfy in your ger with your qt Mongwaifu whilst sipping yak milk
>>61914684
i think it's tamga in turkic and mongolian
Question for the Mongols ITT: in the movie "Mongol", how good was the main actor (who's Japanese) at speaking Mongolian?
>>61914414
on the internet, Mongolians already use the Latin alphabet a lot
>>61914581
Cyrillic is difficult..
Mongolian script is comfortable.
>>61914704
What?
>>61914524
Calligrapher's seal I think
>>61914753
It's actually salty milk tea. ;^)
>>61914704
Are you an expert at reading the Ancient Chinese Post Stamps?
>>61914784
>how good was the main actor (who's Japanese) at speaking Mongolian?
I mentioned this earlier.
It's kinda like he just memorized lines and didn't know what they meant. If you've seen an opera it's kinda the same way - clearly not a native speaker or even a good speaker, but you get the job done.
Some people were pissed but whatever. There's a lot of butthurt nationalism here over little things.
>>61914763
It's called tamga, isn't it?
It's interesting.
>>61914524
they look like fucked up chinese caracters
>>61914684
and these look like randomly located radicals
>>61914885
Yes, tribes have them, also a spirit animal.
>>61914848
that's a bit of a shame, I mean really I would think it's admirable that a Japanese person was able to get even decent pronounciation in Mongolian, it certainly must have required a LOT of work on his part. If anything it's a sign of respect on his part, especially since his acting was very good and overall he really showed Genghis Khan in a positive light.
>>61914848
He didn't sound bad, Jamukha was awful.
>>61914784
Surprising OK and understandable, like above Jamukha was pretty bad.
>>61914993
Turn off the proxy Chang.
Uyghur looks nothing like Chink.
>>61915087
calm down i'm talking about tamgas, not the alphabet
>>61914993
That calligraphy is best in the world.
That's better than Chinese one and Japanese one...probably.
>>61915022
awesome
>>61915030
Yeah, it was really admirable, though. I thought the movie was a fun action movie in all honesty. Other Mongol is right that Jamukha was pretty bad.
>>61915153
Same still applies, mongolian tamgas have Uyghur script in them.
Is turanism just a meme or is it a thing that people in turanic countrys or whatever you call them commonly believe.
How common is drinking Kumis in Mongolia? Is it only in the countryside, or do people in the city also drink it regularly?
Uyghur
>>61915213
yes, it is a thing that people in turanic counties believe
>>61915186
Nothing is stopping you from learning it, online resources exist. Only your resolve stopping yourself, if you really think it's that beautiful go for it. It won't be easy though.
>>61915213
AFAIK there's a little bit of a push for it in Kazakhstan, even by Nazarbayev, it's seen as a healthy alternative against Russification, Chinkification and islamisation.
>>61915256
>no east turkestan
im reeeally triggered
>>61915256
I once met a blonde and blue eyed man in trabzon who was a turanist outside of turkey it would be a bit weird :D
>>61915256
where is turkmeneli ?
>>61915186
tamga really just means seal, it is believed that it developed from marking the tribe's livestock
>his country relies on horses in the current year
>his people sleep in yurts in the dead of winter
>he thinks he is superior to Chinese when he was ruled by Chinese for 300 years, and then Russians for 100 years
Mongolians on the internet: not even once.
>>61915213
It is surprisingly big in Hungary, a turanist party has a late place in their parliament.
>>61915218
I think you mean Airag. If so it is popular.
>>61915364
>Qing
>Chinese
Sorry Chang, my land cruiser still isn't a horse.
>>61915278
>it's seen as a healthy alternative against Russification, Chinkification and islamisation.
same here, turan is seen as a alternative against arabification/islamification of turkey among nationalists
It was touching my heart
>>61915364
>China is so superior that I'm currently posting from the USA
you're a funny guy, Ping Long
>>61915393
>Qing Dynasty
>Not Chinese
Keep dreaming.
Han Chinese master race.
>>61915186
>That's better than Chinese one and Japanese one...probably.
Even latin caligraphy is superior to Japanese/Chinese one tho
>>61915449
Is this the level of education that chinks get? Unless you think China getting invaded along with Mongolia equals to Chinese rule. You are a clear example why chinks are subhuman.
WE
>>61915466
it's a shame that older calligraphy is almost dead in Europe
WUZ
>>61915511
Actually chinese are subhumans because they don't give value to human or animal life atleast thats from my point of view.
desu if we could have an IQ barrier of 100 we would eliminate all chinks and k*rds
>>61915449
Do you even Eight Banners?
>>61915364
You can really only spin the second, and even then I'd say it's a small percentage, maybe 30% of the population. Even though I knocked gers they are eco-friendly and comfortable. No real shame. Feels natural, lad
>>61915449
You have to go back
>>61915530
>poor chink is triggered by turan thread
Kek
>>61915569
isn't that just the PRC though? From my understanding Taiwanese are respectable people, it's really just the PRC monkeys who are subhuman street-shitters on par with India (the only difference being that the PRC also happens to have a tiny minority of rich people in their coastal cities)
>>61915264
Thank you. It is dependent on my effort.
Both Mongolian language and scripts and calligraphy are difficult, but those are interesting.
>>61915351
I see.
It is for distinction of livestock.
>>61915511
Explain to me how the Qing Dynasty is not Chinese without resorting to "Manchus are not Chinese!!" like an Argentinian claiming he's white.
>>61915569
That too.
Mongolia- fresh air and fresh food
China- Sewer oil and 45 year old meat and getting your organs harvested and dying of lung disease.
>>61915656
How are Mongolians perceived in Japan? They're good sumo wrestlers, are they not?
>>61915681
Manchus, who are Tungusic peoples invade China and Mongolia. They begin to rule. Now how does this become Chinese again?
The pic of Turanic woman
>>61915641
You're right but then again PRC is the biggest part group of chinese people from what I've personally heard people from hong kong and taiwan rightfully despise the soulless chinks in the PRC.
Any good mongolian books?
>>61915466
That also is beautiful, but that is nowhere near as acute as that of Mongolian.
>>61915621
i want to try it too
>>61915758
no, dont look turanid,there is no asiatic feautres in facial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LLZa1dk7vE
>>61915769
Secret History of the Mongols, I guess.
>>61915696
Mongolian sumo wrestlers are very strong.
>>61915820
she is half tatar half sl*v
>>61915820
She doesn't look typical slav either.
>>61915820
>dont look turanid
she's tatar lad
>>61915763
>people from hong kong and taiwan rightfully despise the soulless chinks in the PRC.
in the case of Hong Kong, I can confirm, I've known some Hong Kongers and they all vehemently hated the PRC
>>61913646
fuck off semite mudslime
>>61915878
Well same here I knew some people from hong kong from my uni and I used to banter them being chinese they did not appreciate it.
>>61915918
>mudslime
>Turkey
What's going on here?
>>61915918
edgy
>>61915982
you never know
>>61915918
Kurd spotted
>>61915833
does your language have onomatopoeia as well? can you give us some examples?
>>61916025
>kurds
>not radical muslims
is this what your media tells you?
>>61915982
I'm not muslim
>>61916025
that doesn't even make sense meme-wise
>>61916002
mudslime please go
>>61915932
i had a new immigrant chink in class, people warned me he hated everyone non chinese, so i went to him to make friends nothing bad in mind, just thinking turks are asian too so he might be cool with me, but damn he hated me the most kek
he had the character of an extremely angry cat
deport syrians
deport kurds
finish the wall
import turanians
make turkey great again
>>61915982
fedora tipper
>>61915812
Why did you paste that picture of a girl here?
>>61916076
Chinks have a huge inferiority complex, at least the mainlanders do.
>>61916054
Yeah, pung for explosion. But the way you pronounce it makes it sound like an explosion
>>61916112
this
>>61916054
Er, one word game that is pretty "Mongol" is to say a word then follow it with the next word be the same work but have the first word replaced with an m, so like:
Talkh malkh (talkh = bread, malkh = nonsense word but with talkh before it it becomes bread and etc, i.e. bread with butter and jam).
Oh, pung for explosion by the way.
>>61916138
mudslime please
kill self
test
>>61916201
FOR FUCKING SAKE!!!
AT LAST!
>>61916201
kazak merhaba
>>61916288
that's kamal, the fat proxy shitposter of /tr/
he came here because there's nobody left there
don't reply to him
>>61916156
>>61916182
>pung
lel, in Swedish that word refers to balls
>>61916076
Kek what a fucking retard also what this anon >>61916156 said sounds pretty logical because hong kong and taiwan is far more wealthy than the mainland.
>>61916197
You're as bad as those wahabi faggots,
Everyone should be able to practice their own religion.
>>61916201
>>61916270
you're not kazakh obviously, where are you from?
>>61916288
salem
>>61916356
nope I am not kamal
>>61916373
outside the boundries of this thread
>>61916358
>a scandicuck swede
>in /turan/
get >>>/out/
>>61916356
I-I got it.
>>61913976
Happy naadam mongolbro
>>61916403
> I am not kamal
I-I got it.
>>61916403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djqJt1k3NIM
quote me a sentence or two from this song in kazakh
>>61915873
possibly, you think all turkic have turanid phenotype ?
:-D
>>61916424
Doesn't seem like kamal, anyway Kazakhs post here all the time. Show them some love.
Keep on topic guys. Who is your favorite of Chinggis' four generals? Mine is subudei
>>61916430
Thanks lad!
They moved most local Naadams to later in July, though, so no big celebrations where I'm at.
Evidently Chicago hosted a famous Mongolian singer, this dude from the band Khurd, for their local Naadam so that's kinda cool.
Seriously Ameribros should check out local Naadams in NYC, Chicago, San Francisco, Denver, etc.
>>61916430
12 minutes bro
In mongolian it is Saaikhan Naadarai
Which means Have a nice Naadam
it's a shame that there's no language of mutual intelligibility in the Altaic family, and so people are forced to use English to communicate with one another. Obviously it's not surprising when you consider the geographic extent, but still, it's a shame. It'd be nice if it were like the Romance languages for example, where more or less everybody can at least somewhat understand Spanish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-gDIjv49N8
>>61916580
>like the Romance languages
If you narrow it down that much then most Turkic languages are pretty much mutually intelligible, same goes for Finnics
>>61916555
Mongolian student here, I went to the chicago one yesterday.
>>61916495
Amanat - heir
Altyn ordam otan anasy
Alashymnyn uly dalasy
>>61916182
Interesting, we do the exact same thing aswell.
>>61916182
>repeating the word but replacing the first letter of the second word with an M
we have the same! second word adds "and stuff" basically
for instance: "gelirken yemek memek getir" will make "bring me something to eat and stuff"
>>61916580
When your peoples spread over an entire continent and over thousands of years it is inevitable. But if a Turanic nation did form. Eventually a mutual language would form, a kind of Neo-Turkic
>>61916555
>Khurd
Kurd spotted.
>>61916660
Mongolbro what would be the best ideology for a turan state?
>>61916580
Who said that there isn't?
If you spoke Turkish an Azeri and even a Turkmen would understand you, maybe even an Uyghur and an Uzbek
The reason why French, Spanish, Portuguese and Italians understand each other well is beacause their languages are from the same branch of the Romance language group
Whereas in Turkic there's Oghuz, Karluk and Kipchak branch
>>61916646
Ok I belive you, sorry for being suspicious
>>61916641
Nice lad. Did you see the Khurd dude?
>>61916649
>>61916653
Damn, that is interesting.
The Mongolian word for flower is also "tsetseg" which I know is close to the Turkish word so Iw as told.
>>61916638
true, I guess it's not a valid comparison I was making
And I guess it's unrealistic for an entire family with such geographic extent to have a single language of mutual intelligibility, just like it would be unrealistic for Indo-Europeans. But at the very least, if there were a lingua franca that belonged to that family and were usable by all members of that family rather than using English, it would be neat.
>>61913082
>turanian
>people
>>61916697
Gommunism
>>61916720
Yeah it's "çiçek" in Turkish
>>61916182
we do the same too, i didn't know we had so much in common
https://youtu.be/LuVLjAhsw-w?t=18
is "shangar shangar" is an onomatopoeia as well? if so, what does it mean?
>>61916720
тaмгa = damga
тooc = toz
>>61916653
Holy shit, add that to the Turanic info graphs or whatever. We use that shit all the time.
>>61916697
Kurultai Khaganate ;)
Tbh I don't know
>>61916697
anything but communism
>>61916785
What do you think of Baron Ungern von Sternburg??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rTDD9iK3S0
>>61916720
in istnabul turkish it's çiçek, but a yörük would also say something rather resembling çeçeg
>>61916749
t. Turko-Finno-Mongolic Slavaman
wtf is a turan. is it the same as a turk?
>>61916813
He really liked mongol culture which was strange. And he was anti communist. He wasn't horrible but not that great either.
>>61916841
.t Turko-Finno-Mongolic Finnoman
>>61916758
>>61916773
>>61916824
It's a small world.
>>61916813
I read that American book about him. Seems like a weeaboo but for Mongolia.
>>61916773
>https://youtu.be/LuVLjAhsw-w?t=18
honestly I'm not a fan of rap or hip hop, but Mongolian artists who do it while combining throat singing and/or traditional instruments can be really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el93MIxAf-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h_hS0d4vqg
>>61916853
>This political ideology originated in the work of the Finnish nationalist and linguist Matthias Alexander Castrén, who championed the ideology of Pan-Turanism — the belief in the racial unity and future greatness of the Ural-Altaic peoples. He concluded that the Finns originated in Central Asia (in the Altai Mountains), and far from being a small, isolated people, they were part of a larger polity that included such peoples as the Magyars, Turks, Mongols, etc.[2] It implies not merely the unity of all Turkic peoples (as in Pan-Turkism), but also the alliance of a wider Turanid race, also known as the controversial Uralo-Altaic race, believed to include all peoples speaking "Turanian languages".
>>61916749
>>61916888
Tы пpинec дaнь, pюзгe?
>>61916888
He agrees with that you know.
>t. Vasily Erdneovich Sergelensky
>>61916697
federation with individual republics desu
>>61916934
Цивилизaцию тeбe пpинec, кoнoвaл нeблaгoдapный.
>>61916964
This to be honest, like Russia but with less dictatorship.
>>61916816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdtC3rUUDdg
Hey guys can you tell me what are the following words in your mother language? (dialects hardly encouraged)
I'm a linguistics fag so I will try to blend them all into one new word thus trying to create a Neo-Altaic language
Arm
Eye
Mother
Father
Sun
Moon
Water
Fire
Ten
Horse
Bow
Arrow
>>61916989
>нeблaгoдapный
Хe-хe. Mы вac зacтaвили, знaчит, oбъeдинитcя. Зaщищaли oт вcяких тeвтoнцeв и викингoв, зaпpeтили кoчeвым плeмeнaм гpaбить вaши cpaныe дepeвyшки, a тeпepь мы eщe и нeблaгoдapныe? Этo был paвный oбмeн. A cкopo мы oпять пpидeм и oтбepeм вaшe.
>>61916928
i was asking for the "shangar shangar" part at 0:18
it sounds like onomatopoeia and i wondered if it is onomatopoeia or not
>>61917073
i see your point, some basic stuff
kol
göz
ana
ata
gün/güneş
ay
su
ateş
on
at
yay
ok
>>61917073
Qol
Koz
Ana
Ake
Kun
Ai(Ay)
Su
Ot
On
At (zhylqy)
Sadaq
Oq
>>61917073
Gar
Nud
Eej
Aav
Nar
Sar
Uus
Gal
Arvan
Mor
Num
Sum
>>61917192
very similar
>>61917203
not similar at all
>>61917265
Yeah, Mongolic split is the largest.
>>61916531
ᠵᠥᠴᠢ
I like Jūchī
>>61917296
To be honest they were all superhuman, but it is personal preference.
Käsi
Silmä
Äiti
Isä
Aurinko
Kuu
Vesi
Tuli
Kymmenen
Hevonen
Jousi(pyssy)
Nuoli
>>61917378
>pyssy
>>61917073
Käsi(varsi)
Silmä
Äiti
Isä
Aurinko
Kuu
Vesi
Tuli
Kymmenen
Hevonen
Jousi
Nuoli
>>61916865
Didn't he pretty much save Mongolia from Chinese domination? Sounds like absolutely great to me, unless being part of China is NBD to you.
>>61917451
>Aurinko
I love this word 2bh
>>61917125
>A cкopo мы oпять пpидeм и oтбepeм вaшe.
Bы тoлькo мoжeтe oтoбpaть paбoчиe мecтa y гacтapбaйтepoв. И тo, тaджики нaвepнякa вaм вcтaвят люлeй.
Aлco, хopoший pyceк, зaхвaтчик. Пpopaб бyдeт дoвoлeн.
>>61917073
Arm - ude うで
Eye - me め
Mother - haha はは
Father - chichi ちち
Sun - hi/tento ひ/てんとう
Moon - tsuki つき
Water - mizu みず
Fire - hi ひ
Ten - ten てん
Horse - uma うま
Bow - yumi ゆみ
Arrow - ya や
>>61917485
Partly he was, but it was the Soviets that really did it. The only reason that Inner Mongolia isn't independent is that Stalin wanted to appease Mao.
>>61917073
shit,We have received too much Chinese pronaunciation,Todays Japanese wouldnt be similar to any Turanic langs except few part.Oh my Turanism......
>>61917451
Paaska
Paaska
Paaska
>>61917073
Kar
Szem
Anya
Apa
Nap
Hold
Víz
Tűz
Tíz
Ló
Íj
Nyíl
>>61917536
Я yвepeн, я твoй язык лyчшe тeбя знaю, cpюзгe.
Дa и чacтeнькo ты видeл кaзaхoв гacтapбaйтepoв? Cpeднecтaтиcтичecкий кaзaх пoбoгaчe cpeднeгo пидopaхи бyдeт.
Taк чтo гoтoвь тyзa, мaня.
>>61917590
>We have received too much Chinese pronaunciation
From an outsider perspective, Japanese sounds completely different from Chinese. Chinese is basically alien, but Japanese has recognizable phonology. Also Japanese sounds WAY better than Chinese.
>>61917551
>Ten - ten てん
i think it's juu じゅう 十
>>61917591
r- rude
>>61917353
How about Qubilai qaghan?
>>61913082
mfw, when hungarians were active part of this bullshit
>>61917203
>>61917654
Arm and Father are close
>>61917557
I see. Yeah, that was unfortunate, considering that I've been to Inner Mongolia and it looks just like normal Mongolia: steppe, yurts and all...
What do you think about the Buryats, and also Kalmyks? My friend is some mixture of Volga Tatar and Kalmyk. He recently realized what it means and has been redpilling himself on Turan, and me as well.
dumping these here
>>61917673
I-I made a mistake.
You know Japanese more than I...
That is a number, isn't it?
Ten - juu じゅう
>>61917712
Four generals but whatever. Kublai was ambitious and successful.
>>61917664
>Я yвepeн, я твoй язык лyчшe тeбя знaю, cpюзгe.
Я тoжe yвepeн, чтo знaeшь. Moлoдeц. Хopoшиe вeщи yчишь.
>Дa и чacтeнькo ты видeл кaзaхoв гacтapбaйтepoв?
Boт, пepeдo мнoй, впoлнe ceбe яpкий пpeдcтaвитeль. Дaжe pyccкий выyчил.
>Taк чтo гoтoвь тyзa, мaня.
Пoдгoтoвил плиткy, бyдeшь yклaдывaть.
>>61917665
many of the japanese words are just phonetically reconstructed chinese words in order to make it easier to pronounce by japanese
>>61913124
DENKA
>>61917756
Kalmyk and buryads are 100% mongol.
>tfw no Tomyris gf to btfo persians together
Why even live
>>61917756
Kalmyk wehrmacht legion!!!
>>61917858
Frogot pick
>>61917834
>cлaвcкaм
Лaднo, ты мнe нaдoeл, yхoди.
>>61917834
>>61917664
can you guys please stop speaking Russian?
>>61917846
Nice, will pass it on.
>>61917791
He was a great Emperor, too.
>>61917861
>sea: Mongolian "tengis"
Turkish: deniz
Yellow: Mongolian: "sarga"
Turkish: sarı
>>61917834
The Russians are here...
>>61917893
>пpишeл c хapкaчa
>гoвopит кoмy-тo yхoдить
>>61917840
forgot pic
>>61917954
A ты кpyтoй.
>>61917834
>>61917536
>>61917125
>>61916989
>>61916934
>>61917664
VASILI GET THE FUCK >>>/out/
Veterans of the Kalmyk cavalry division moved and brought tibetan buddhism to USA in the 1950's.
>>61917972
That is interesting, but it does not matter.
Most words are not usual and a part of them is 'Japanese-made Chinese words'.
All words I wrote are only Japanese pronunciation.
His intention is strange.
>>61918055
Stalin persecuted the Kalmyks, desu Stalin is one of the worst things to happen to the Turanic people
>>61917590
そこにある単語はすべてやまとことばの和語で、
漢語は出て来ないはずだが。
>>61918376
He did the same to the Mari people. They campaigned for independence so Stalin wiped out the "cream" of Mari-El, so to speak - all the highly educated people like teachers, engineers and doctors.
>>61918376
What do you think of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmykian_Voluntary_Cavalry_Corps and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic,_Caucasian,_Cossack,_and_Crimean_collaborationism_with_the_Axis_powers
>>61918560
People who thought that siding with one devil would free them from another.
>>61917073
If Uralic = Turanian I may as well contribute
Arm/Hand - Kyi
Eye - Syin
Mother - Anay
Father - Atay, Ayı, Aga
Sun - Şundı
Moon - Tolezy
Water - Vu
Fire - Tıl
Ten - Das
Horse - Val
Bow - Pukıč
Arrow - Vyeny
since Udmurt never had a Latint script, I improvised on something that seems to combine the spelling of Turkish, Hungarian and Finnish, which seems fair to me. The letter 'y' indicates palatalisation after a vowel, no syllable break. Would be interesting if any Finns, Hungarians or Turks can see something familiar, as Udmurt has lots of Tatar loanwords but is an Uralic language.
>>61917590
日(ひ)や馬なんていうのは、恐らく中国由来だと思われる。
I read all of your words and tried to make them into one and here's what I've got. It was quite difficult to forge something out of all those different words. By the way: y = japanese u, turkish ı / ä = the ae sound, like the a in "cat" / j = y
arm - gur
eye - nezäm
mother - anykh
father - aty
sun - gänär
moon - kharul
water - suvuz
fire - hölüs
ten - girün
horse - osh
bow - jom
arrow - nüm
>filthy turan
>glorius Finno-Ugric family
>anything common
no
>>61918905
A gradual change would be more natural desu
>>61918905
But why?
>>61919001
just for fun i guess
>>61918905
in cases where there's too much of a difference you're better off either just having 2 different words, or just choosing 1 (and try to alternate between different etymologies).
For example, if I were to try to combine Spanish and English, and I tried to create a word for "beer", there wouldn't be a satisfactory way of combining "beer" and "cerveza" without making it very awkward.
However, even if I pick the spanish word, it's still understandable.
"I'm at the bar drinking a dark cerveza." Even if you don't understand specific words, you can still guess just with context and the rest of the sentence. And inversily, "Estoy en un pub y bebo una beer." is not hard to understand, even if you don't know what the word "beer" means.
Basically, the focus should be on syntax, grammar and all of the "small words" as well as they key verbs (for example, "to be") which make up the language. The rest isn't too hard to compensate for.
>>61918979
>Hungarian
>not central asian
>>61918979
Haha, sorry. But it's undeniable that our histories are deeply intertwined.
>>61918979
Stop with the divide and conquer shilling Zsoltán
>>61919104
>Urals
>Central Asia
looks like t. ching chong got an F from geography
>>61919109
no
and it's even funnier from a guy who left his country because he realized what a shithole it is
>>61919110
>implying i would want to conquer these islamic animals
>>61919245
Islamism is inherently Anti-Turanian fäm
>Urals
Literally no proof that we're from the Urals, as for Central Asia
>Seima-Turbino phenomenon refers to a pattern of burial sites dating around 1500 BC found across northern Eurasia, from Finland to Mongolia, which has suggested a common point of cultural origin, advanced metal working technology, and unexplained rapid migration.
>>61919245
>no
yes
>and it's even funnier from a guy who left his country because he realized what a shithole it is
You see, in life, one must pursue a balance of memes and common sense.
>>61919245
Modern Kazakhstan isn't Central Asia? Wew maybe I did get an F.
>>61919278
anti-turanian? then why is every single altaic country follows the religion of devil?
just let me skip that lower greentext bullshit, as a person who learns on a history facultation at a university, and has a good point of view to the possible/impossible theories on the topic, it strongly hurts my eyes
>>61918893
仮にそうだとしても"日"を対象にするのは一般的な論じゃないと思う。
馬は古墳時代の伝来と言われ中国に記録が無い。
大陸由来のものが全て中華王朝経由というのは浅論では。
プロパガンダが入っていると判断ができる。
>>61919353
magna hungaria is western asia actually
central asia starts at around Alma-Ata and Bishkek
>>61919352
okay, t. economical migrant
>>61919403
If you're well versed on the subject of Uralian origins then by now you'd know that the Uralic urheimat is bullshit, based on nothing but the distribution of our languages.
http://www.paabo.ca/uirala/FinnoUgricbkgd.html
>>61919433
今、馬(うま)について調べたんじゃない?じゅうだって中国由来だよ。とお、じゃんホントは。プロパガンダじゃないよ、怒らないで?
>le i dont want too bee weeth theez guys they worship izlam devul xDDDD
>le i want too bee wit peepl who worship a kike liek mee x-DDDD
>>61919456
>magna hungaria
isn't that in europe?
I can see the homeland as sort of being on the fringe of central asia. It doesn't really matter what term you use though, what matters is the steppe. You're all in there with the Turkics, whether homeland or magna hungaria.
>>61919490
>historician generations spent almost three hundred years to make the most accurate theory about our origins
>just call it bullshit, because my alt-right friends say that everything historical besides alternative history sucks, also the gyros vender on the main street said that we're brothers
i end it up with you here, i don't wanna acquire a headache before the match starts, my dear Tarmo
>>61919674
>provides no counter argument
Aren't you supposed to be well versed in this? You have done nothing but dodge and weave.
>>61919603
that's Western Asia, my dear Mehmet
>You're all in there with the Turkics
with those who are originated from the Tarim basin, and arrived there long after our depart, yeah, yeah
everything turkic in us is the result of the common years with the Khazars, and the settling of Cumanians and Pechenegs
>>61919674
>the most accurate theory about our origins
You're fucking clueless. There is no evidence for the claim that our urheimat is the Uralic Mountains, none. The refugia theory explained in the link I posted, though, is supported by genetic and archeological evidence, not just speculation based on distribution of languages.
Religion of Turan is Tengriism.
>>61919823
http://www.tengerism.org/table_of_contents.html
For those who want to learn more about the finer details of Tengrism
>>61919573
時期によって違う説があるの?
馬は中東産だから大陸から来るのは当然で、
それが地続きの時代か海運によるものかの違いになるだけでは。また当時の中国はそれ自体が内陸の遊牧地帯。
例えば"天"は遊牧民か中華が先か不明で、日本には中国経由か直接伝来かも不明。
それら大陸を全て"中国"と呼ぶのは本来は極論。
>>61919433
プロパガンダって言うならお前が何も知らないくせに馬鹿みたいに外人に挙げてる中国からの単語をちゃんと縄文時代から使われてる言葉に、辞典でも引くなりして置き換えて見て?外人が勘違いしちゃうでしょ、でも出来ないでしょ?面倒とか言って。わからないことに出会うとなんか適当に誤魔化して来たんだなって、こんな小さいことからわかっちゃうんだよ。で、この原理原則が分かってないみたいだから多分社会に出たことも人と深く話し合ったことも無いんだなって芋づるで分かっちゃうんだよね。ピーターパン症候群治ると良いね。
少し突っ込まれると何も分かってない事がボロボロ出てきて、憐れだよw無能のインターネット大将はお母さんに「これがやまとことばだ!!!」とか言っとけwバーカw
>>61918432
>出て来ないはずだが。
what should not come out nippon san?
>>61918854
It has many similarities with turkish wow
Kyi-Kol
Anay-Ana
Atay-Ata
Vu-Su
>>61919896
You are so wired.
Just as you are a stranger...
>>61920007
Chinese words
>>61920041
Yeah, our pronunciation is close to Turkic, but more Tatar than Anatolian. Stress is on the last syllable always, but for some reason there's no vowel harmony. Honestly Permic is a pretty fucked branch of Uralic, far up the northern woods of "Western Asia" in the taiga, and we've lived together with the Turkics starting with Volga Bulgars, for a thousand years.
>>61920007
Chinese loanwords I presume?
はずだが means that he has an expectation of that
>>61919278
>Islamism is inherently Anti-Turanian fäm
this
>>61920316
how do you feel about the future of the Udmurt language and Udmurt culture? do you think there's realistic hope of not getting assimilated/russified in the future? do school children in Udmurtia still use Udmurt among themselves in schools and such?
give ararat
>>61920390
>ararat
what an incredibly unappealing word
Also, Armeniabro, do you know about Levon Aronian and Tigran Petrosian?
You know, we may have very little genetic connection with each other, or maybe don't have a connection at all
But still, we don't need to be related in order to be good friends, right?
>>61920466
Our histories are intertwined and to a certain extent, our languages. Linguists universally agree on the existence of an Ural-Altaic phylum, even if it is no longer accepted as a family.
As for genetics, we're connected by certain haplomemes, like N for Finns and Sakha Turks and C for Kazakhs and Mongols etc
>>61920466
Linguistic bonds can be interesting sometimes
Only plebs look for genetic connection
>>61920445
ararat is a great word fuck off justin "i want canada to be the sweden of NA" trudaeu
there's a statue of tigran petrosian in yerevan iirc, most older people and nerds know about him
i saw levon pull armenian girls in a club once, he's our michael jordan
>>61920147
お前が間違った事で突っかかるから行けないんじゃ?お前が挙げてる内、半分以上は中国由来じゃん。てんとうって言葉に至ってはお天道様の天道で漢字の訓読みの通りのを外人にさらけだしちゃってるじゃん、プロパガンダやめてくれよ。
それと!浅論って謙譲語で、例えばどっかに寄稿した文章なんかの自分の主張に対して言うもので、「程度の浅い議論」って文脈では使わないよ。
まぁ知恵遅れがググッてきて必死に反抗されても時間の無駄だしもうこれでお終いにしたいんだけどさ。
ニートの癖に本も読まないで、しかも気に入らない事があると突っかからずには居られない気の強さ、マジで滑稽だよw気は強いけど社会に於いて最悪最低の人間っていうことは自覚しとけwアホw
>>61920669
てんは中国語なのか?
こいつらtenは遊牧民トルコ系の言葉だと言ってるぞ。
>>61920385
I can't say it's looking very good, but it probably won't disappear entirely and at least the concept of an Udmurt ethnicity will always be in public consciousness, especially as any amount of Russian (or Tatar) admixture is seen as completely acceptable, so it's easy to 'reboot' one's Udmurt identity if there is desire. Red hair is stereotypic for Udmurts though, so if it becomes too scarce there might be a problem lmao.
taoってのも道(どう)だけど、修験道などはどっから来たのかわからん。日本にもある。老子のtaoismはさらに由来があるかもしれない。
語学学習者がなんでもchinese loan words の一言で片付けたり、
ただの明治造語の代入字を必死に語源で雑な説明したり、
日本語がアルタイ系というのを年を追うごとに否定していったり、
明らかに破壊してるよ。
にもかかわらず逆に思わせるのは、まあ教育が悪い。
itt: the japanese are the only ones actually speaking turanian, gracing us with their beautiful altaic speech
>>61920669
>>61921052
>>61921095
what is this shit
>>61920792
俺には知識がある、だけどお前を日本語で説き伏せてどうなる、これに懲りて少し4chanでbutthurtを控えなさい。すぐ政治の話をするな、目障りだしつまんねーんだよカス。プロパガンダは日本語で何て言うんだよ?答えろ!!ドアホ!!!
急に口調が大人しくなったから、俺に屈服したってことで良い?じゃあ言う事を聞け、糞馬鹿。お前みたいな日本国旗が多すぎて見るに耐えない。楽しくやろう!!
hey japananons can you speak in english so we can all contribute to the discussion?
/roach/
>>61921146
give it time, priorily we weren't able to form a proper thought since the spamming was ridiculous
>>61921177
it's good to see japanese posters in /turan/ but only we could understand you...
>>61921343
Buttmad chinks never changes.
>>61921264
実は我々みんなが日本語を勉強すべきです
人気があるし、英語よりもトゥーラーンの言語としての日本語をしゃべりましょう。
ちなみに日本人には すみません
まだ日本語がうまくできないです。
>>61921585
turancı anon japonca mı biliyosun?
>>61921625
kim bilir o kim
kek, bilmiyorum
>>61921625
I'm actually the Udmurt. I can't speak Udmurt sadly, but my limited knowledge of Japanese has suddenly come in handy.
Honestly, it's so bad with the Udmurt language, Japanese is literally easier to learn because of the availability of resources.
>>61922020
sheep needs to be changed with a donkey
>>61921177
お前が哀れになったからだろ。
なんも知らねえんだもん。
>>61921155
We said just you are a good person.
>>61921585
I'm sorry.
A: these are Japanese words!
B: those are Chinese words!
It was like a conversation.
>>61921441
>>61921763
Choose one.
>>61922356
I think we should stay at here
>>61921763
Because it's /turan/, not /tengri
あ、あと浅論って造語なんだけど。。
辞書に無いだろ。ストーリー作るのうまいな
