Let's have a classical war thread.
War discussion general
>>61901592
What are your thoughts on the Mitsubishi A6M Zero is it a shit plane?
>>61901592
>>61901607
how do you think of SK military?
PLS BUY
>>61901607
Guess it was used mostly by the kamikazes, but it wasnt that bad for the time. If I'm not wrong pearl harbor has had a tough time with them
>>61901716
Would be nice
I hope my cunt buys
>>61901669
South korea got better in the past few decades, I believe they are well prepared for defending themselves against the north if shit hits the fan. But I believe the north would just nuke everything if something happens
How much do you people hear about the great northern war?
>>61901745
:_:
>>61901746
Pls do it, gib pesos.
>>61901785
Here? Not at all
>>61901785
Was it the war that russian waged against sweden in order to annex finland? After the fall of pomerania a lot of them left to brazil, I've met a quite few of them when I've landed here.
If that's the war I'm thinking about that's the war around the time the ruskies have founded saint pettersburg.
It's not that mainstream neither in south america nor in southern europe, but I believe it must be in the north.
I have a couple question about nukes.
Is it possible to stop a nuclear missile on its way? Like anti-missle technology exist or not??
And how large is the blast radius of a modern nuke.
>>61901899
Depends of the missile. Before the warhead stage, maybe. Usually is impossible.
Depends of how much KT.
ICBMs are nothing more than space-rockets with uranium inside desu.
>>61901899
Hello. Literal physicist here, look at the Cold War.
...
Look at the Cold War.
>>61901669
You're on a serious track toward becoming borderline imperialist again. Socialism or communist is child's play compared to your government.
Freedom of speech? Ok, you can't even throw out garbage correctly.
>>61901785
You're fine.
>>61901899
It depends. They say they can stop a few missiles, but it's almost impossible to think that it would be perfectly stopped, since a nuke leaving russia could reach the united states easily in just a couple of hours.
Back in the 70's the nukes the soviet union was using for doing their tests had already reached the level of destroying the earth's atmosphere. So they and the united states tried to do their tests underground so they wouldnt destroy the earth. The blast radius depends on the force the nuke let's go out. I believe given the tech level they could've reach already, they could destroy the earth easily, so that's why the countries that already have the nukes are so much worried about the new ones getting their hands at them
>>61901998
>>61901960
Dumb. It doesn't depend.
>>61902078
Tell us more about it, then
What do you nigs think about the prediction that modified Ospreys will basically serve as replacements for tanks, transport helicopters, helicopter gunships, and troop transport escorts while having longer range and faster speeds?
https://www.quora.com/What-will-tanks-look-like-in-40-years/answer/Jon-Davis-10?srid=uDnhq
>>61902111
Mean that casualties will increase.
WAR WARNEVER CHANGES SAHHSHAHAHAHHAhAHAUEHUHUEHEUHEU
>>61901899
anti-rockets exist and other things too
until the nuke is activated its not that dangerous (will be a 'dirty' bomb then)
https://youtu.be/pxNOBhGp2WI
>MI-35 taken down in Syria.
BOPE's new camo for jungle warfare.
WWI is the most interesting war in history
>>61901607
At the start of the war the Japanese had the best naval planes in the world. It got outclassed eventually though
>>61901998
A nuke fly time is 30 minutes tops from central Russia to anywhere in the US, shorter time if it's Far East -> US West coast or if the nuke is launched from a submarine
>>61902078
it depends. on early warning and fly path
>>61901899
>>61902102
interceptin nukes became possible in late 60es-70es, USSR built first nuke-tipped anti-missiles that would fly to intercept inbound American rockets. This caused the US to tro catch up and initiate an ABM treaty. Anti Ballistic Missile treaty limited USSR and US to 1 ABM site. In Russia, it's around Moscow (and Sary-Shagan test area in the south, it's only used for testing and not wartime operational). In the US, it was someplace in the desert where they keep some of their nuke missiles.
in 2003 US exited the treaty, now they have early warning radars in Europe, missiles on Aegis ships that can try to intercept the nukes midway (though half of Russian nukes would fly through the Arctic), and they have Ground-based interceptors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-161_Standard_Missile_3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense
there's bee na lot of testing, but all those missiles still sometimes fail to intercept single targets. Real missiles would fly in lange numbers and deploy false targets when they are in space. There's some talk even about maneuvering in space, though it's probably not used on current missiles yet.
US also has the last-ditch defence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_High_Altitude_Area_Defense
this intercepts incoming missiles. very chancy because modern missiles use false targets on re-entry and evasive maneuvers in the atmosphere.
Russia still operates and upgrades the Moscow defence and plans to build local THAAD equivalent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-135_anti-ballistic_missile_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-500_(missile_system)
we win at war we win at war we win at war haha you all suck and have bad countries that are also weak haha we would beat you haha
>>61902866
Great information, dude. Rare as shit finding some data like that here in 4chan.
Can you tell us more about your current operations? I guess everyone here knows you've been active with your military, but we never get to know how good are you prepared for the possible doom you could face if hillary gets ellected.
Are your warfare programs still that good as they were since the cold war?
>>61901974
Fuck yeah! I can't wait for the rebirth of imperialist Japan!
>>61902981
ABIN pls stop.
>>61903034
Not possible today, japan isn't capable of combating the same way they did back in the 1930s.
They might fuck up china but it will only go for so long.
>>61903100
Not brazilian dude, I'm just interested if I'll get to make it to russia just in case shit hits the fan in the next couple of years ladm8
>>61903126
Maybe they can ally with China and split up Asia together?
>>61903146
>shit hitting the fan
>going to Russia
Uh...
>>61901716
Looks like Thunderbird 2
Nice.
>>61903154
>ally with china
Nice jest.
>>61903160
The way obama had sucked dry the american military plus the fact their new recruits are overweighted fat women and transgender people scaries me a lot. If shit hits the fan in a nuclear situation, the only place I would rely on to save myself would be russia
>>61903200
Why would you go to a country where the most nukes will be pointed at?
>>61903238
Because the ruskie guy just said in other words they must be the only one with the means for stopping them
>>61903260
>one guy told me stuff on the internet, it must be true
k den
>>61903279
Looking their operations in syria you cant get some fresh air, good information never hurts. Even though what he said could not be the truth, they were the second country to develop nukes and at the end of the cold war they were the ones who had the most massive amount of them. If their programs are that good as they were in the past nowadays, their tradition would be something to count on, due to the fact the united states are almost going through a bad scene where ethnic conflicts are playing part, their morale has been low since the gulf war and their army tradition is shit since the end of golf war
>wants to talk about war and nukes, when other guy asks about information for a russian on that matter, mocks him for doing it
>>61903359
The cartels are getting some nice equipment
>>61903357
Ok then, enjoy your nuclear war in Russia, senpai. Surely you'll survive.
>>61903401
Nah, I hope I'll die drinking vodka, pal. It would be better than dying side by side with fat trangender sjw people screaming on the streets
yugoslav wars were pretty dope
>>61903469
Tell us how good you removed kebab, Ivan
>>61903381
Yeah
was too young for the war. Grandpa was an uber commie (he was in the army), he actually got a stroke when he saw the news of yugoslavias breakup. no kebab remoofal from my family sadly.
>>61903564
I saw a documentary the other day about how the croats fucked good the bosnians. Don't know a lot about how the serbs were doing outside of their current borders back in the war times.
I know a lot of people that had experienced the war still have bad memories. Nonetheless the story behind it seems pretty cool
>>61902981
Same as during the cold war, russia has a few key areas where it's as good or better than NATO, but mostly the stuff is cheaper and in smaller numbers tan in the West.
Russia's STRONG at anti-ship missiles, naval self-defence artillery, all things air defense and electronc warfare, and Russian units are more suited to fighting a combined arms war against a modern army compared to Western armies, though NATO says it's going to try to even out there.
>It ain't me, IT AIN'T MEEEE
>>61903658
yeah war was mostly serbs bosniaks and croats slinging shit at each other, mostly about borders and shit like that. for instance theres a region in bosnia called republika srpska where mostly serbs live.
>>61903666
Can you tell us about the russian side of the story on what's going on in eastern europe right now? Nato is deploying some people in lithuania and some other countries if I'm not wrong. Putin has been missing the last couple of days. I know things are harsh down in ukraine, but I wasnt aware they could heat up up north
>>61903757
Can you talk about kosovo and vojvodina? Do you think serbia could have a social break down at any moment?
>>61903887
nah not really. i live in vojvodina and no one really cares about breaking apart. the farmer types are kind of pissy about getting exploited by belgrade and i guess for a good reason. but for now i dont believe theres gonna be a social breakdown kek. as for kosovo we couldve genocided the living hell out of the kosovar albanians but we got NATO and the EU looming over us so the politicians are decided not to have any military intervention in fear of getting bombed again. also our politicians are pussies.
>>61903859
nothing much, Eastern Euros being silly about Russia, NATO trying to pretend it's relevant and that Russia's a threat
those 5000 people in Lthuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland and Bulgaria aren't going to protect them from Russia if Russia was ever going to invade, but politicians feel good when they do stuff like that, it makes them feel like they're doing something useful.
In fact, Russia smends like 5% of what NATO is spending on military so we're not in any position to threaten, anybody can see that. that 5% will still be enough to wreck NATO's shit in case the West tries to "Iraq" us in the coming years.
>>61904000
Is tito that respected in northern serbia? I mean, every country in the old juguslavia think different about him, as far as I can tell. After the end of the war it just seems like you've never got up your feet again considering what I've heard from people about old jugoslavia. Your region has a wonderfull landscape and great people, I just can't understand why your unemployment rate is currently so low
>>61901607
It was an amazing aircraft early-on in the war, before better fighter tactics could develop based on improving technology.
It could outclimb, out-turn, and out-run many of the other planes it saw (mostly shitty Chinese biplanes borrowed from Russia). It also fucked the Americans early in the war, because it could easily outclimb them and out-turn them. It could even out-run many American planes.
It wasn't until better engines and faster aircraft were invented that the US could come up with the tactics needed to beat them.
>>61901736
They weren't really used as kamikazi aircraft, they were a dedicated fighter aircraft. Also, they were only really flying as cover for the dive-bombers at Pearl Harbor; they didn't really do much while there.
>>61904101
vojvodina i guess is peaceful and stuff, we have a lot of suicides though but its a chill area. as for tito people (usually older) remember him and yugoslavia quite fondly. as for the younger ones, most of them are not really informed nor do they care about yugoslavia tito or communism.
>>61904084
I don't get why they have wrecked you about that ukrainian thing. They have chosen to be annexed by you over a referendum, we never get to see that when the western journalists are writing their columns.
Brexit happened by a referendum too, but they didnt get the same threatment. I know krushev was drunk the day he gave the region of crimea to ukraine and it had a huge impact after the fall of the soviet union, but western media just ignores that, we never get to see your version of the story, never.
I would love learning russian just to know what your media says once in a while. Everything you do you are the bad guys, and in the west we never get to know what's your side of the story
>>61903709
I'M NO FORTUNATE ONEEEE
>>61903200
Why not stay in Brazil if WWIII happens? North America, Europe, and Russia would be fucked if that happened, and a nuclear winter might set in. Because of its climate, Brazil and the other tropical areas would probably remain temperate throughout that period.
>>61904233
Our media says the same stuff about the West that Western media says about Russia, there's nothing good on TV either in Russia or abroad, it's all about stupid generalization, bias and conspiracy theories.
>>61904208
Employment rate*
Is there any place near vojvodina where they still have some remains of the war? I know they have kept some places intact, but I'm not sure if things up north where that bad as they were in bosnia. That old footage of the stari most being destroyed is very emblematic, I guess your war was the newest of the big conflicts we had in europe
>>61904233
Russia Today has an English broadcast, and many American networks do carry it. Maybe they also have a Portuguese broadcast?
Also, I wish more people here would realize that Russia was in the right to take back Crimea. It had been historically Russian land for hundreds of years, and was only moved to Ukraine for administrative reasons, because Kiev was closer than Moscow.
If taking Crimea is illegitimate, then taking Texas was even more illegitimate, because we literally stole that shit from Mexico because some of our settlers moved there with their slaves, set up plantations, and seceeded when Mexico (who had outlawed slavery) told them to stop.
>nobody even mentions that mongolia posted ITT
am I going mad or is that one rare flagarino?
>>61904287
I believe I would be back in europe if there would be a war in the near future, but if brazil loses its neutrality over the possible conflict, it wouldnt be able to defend itself in the face of a nuclear war, the country just dont have the means for it.
Your point about the nuclear winter makes sense, that's a fact, have to agree with you. But I don't know if the outcome of the conflict in south america would be that good in the social sphere, people here tend to neglect so many things, judging by the general behavior of the locals I would say most of the country couldnt cope with the situation despite the aboundance of natural resources and food avaible to them
>>61904374
Yeah, I believe krushev just let crimea go under ukrainian administration due to the fact that it is linked to ukraine by land. But the land has always been russian for the last hundreds of years.
The west shit their pants over russia taking crimea because it always was and always will be the most important strategical point all over the black sea. The west don't want russia having a place where they would have the opportunity of deploying their boats and armies that easily. So they would throw a lot of lies and biased opinions over our media trying to brainwash us agains the ruskies
>>61904493
We'd stay neutral either way. Independent on who's the next president, what we really don't need now is a world-wide conflict. We do have the capabilities to protect ourselves, but the govt should let the military act alone for that, without interfering in their programs.
Didn't got the end of your second point.
>>61904602
Brazil would choose to stay neutral, as it always do, but it doesnt prevent it from being invaded and used as a strategical host in the war.
Neutrality is something easily breakable if you considerer that during the war the laws tend to change, think about germany invading the netherlands in ww2.
>if you dont get to read things and think about what you say, get out of the thread instead of shitposting
by Chinese bases that put our former president I think we lucked out some of the third world war
>The Project 941 or Akula, Russian "Aкyлa" ("Shark") class submarine (NATO reporting name: Typhoon) is a type of nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine deployed by the Soviet Navy in the 1980s. With a submerged displacement of 48,000 tonnes, the Typhoons are the largest class of submarine ever built,
>Their primary weapons system is composed of 20 R-39 ballistic missiles (SLBM) (Operational range 8,300 kilometres (5,200 mi)) with a maximum of 10 MIRV nuclear warheads each.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon-class_submarine
This is fucking terrifying, can you even imagine the destruction a single one of them can unleash?
>>61904680
The war would be concentrated in Europe/Asia. What's the point in invading someone in South America? Plus our military is pretty big and we'd be at full capacity(meaning everything in the country would be made for war, industry, personell etc..) any of the sides would have to make a massive cut on their forces to get to us.
>>61904832
Having a strategical host, dude. Think about the missile crisis the US had when the ruskies were loading cuba. Do you think the soviet union would have agreed to clear the load they were doing in cuba if there were not for the missiles the US agreed to take off from turkey? The reason turkey is a member of nato is the same reason russia and the US would want to take over an ally in south america, wether the hosting country agrees with it or not.
I can even tell you argentina could be the one starting the transition of breaking the neutrality, by the moment it tries to take back the falklands during the conflic, their leaders are sort of dumb anyways and they tried to do this in a similar situation 30 years ago. Brazil would rather be invaded or declare war over the nation that's losing ground in the conflict at the last minute of the peace talks
>>61904990
I still think that is quite impossible one of the sides drag the war down here. Unless China/Russia put missiles in Venezuela which it would lead to another Cuban crisis 2.0 eletric bogaloo.
Plus argentina knows that they don't have any chance against britain over the islands, their military got shitted on after '82.
>>61904782
Never realized how fuckhuge those things are.
>Be bro-tier whale
>Doing whale shit
>run into this fucking thing out of nowhere
>>61905112
If the war starts at a global scale, nobody will be safe at all. This time things will get really global, the united states wont be just selling stuff for the fighting forces as it did in ww1 and ww2, it will get some pearl harbor stuff in the mainland destabilizing military intelligent, and every fighting nation will get to make a lot of military mistakes, like italy did in ww2.
About the thing regarding people getting bombs in venezuela, that could be possible, very likely. By the time nukes are placed in south america, the combat could start.
If there's no neutrality, there's combat, because if you are at war and there's no neutrality anymore, people will get to attack you. And if you choose to stay neutral at a time people will be willing to invade you for breaking your neutrality because you have a huge amount of land, something very valued for military purposes, the war will get you as soon as you can imagine.
If ww3 starts, this time thing will get nasty at a level never ever seen before, no doubts about that
>>61905297
.
I know shit will get ugly. just saying that were too irrelevant to someone want us as ally.
>>61901716
what a fat plane
>>61905390
Strategical host rather than a combatant ally. Logistics will be even more valued in the wake of a third world war, places for hosting military drones, loading nukes, keeping reserved ammunition etc.
South america has a huge amount of land used by nobody that would be geographically interesting for russia and the US.
I'm not saying it will be the main place where the war will be dragged on, but still it will be something they will take on account sooner or later
>>61904368
there wasnt any war in vojvodina durring the breakup of yugoslavia. the old bridge was in mostar where croats and bosnians were fighting. the light blue is the serb held territories and here is where most of the fighting happened.
>>61905431
I think it's pretty thin.
>>61905525
Well, if China wanted strategic places, i think they'd start in Central America where they have "supporters"(Nicaragua/El Salvador). I think it's pretty hard they try the *le let's be friends i give you money* on the South.
>>61905578
Interesting. Do you guys get along nowadays, or does it get some heat over what happened in the past?
I know your formal serbo croatian language have broken up in the following days after the end of the war, and every country have standardized its own language with a different name.
Can you all understand each other despite of that grammatical changes over the languages? How different does it get the difference among them?
>>61901592
The U.S will win the next world war and these dubs prove it!
>>61905699
No way!!!
>>61905664
oh yeah we understand each other. slovenian and macedonian are kinda different than the rest though can still understand 60-80%. as for the relations, things are still pretty tight. lots of frustration towards each other (mostly towards the serbs because we were major dickheads kek).
>>61905390
>were too irrelevant to someone want us as ally.
Brazil has the second largest armed forces in the Americas after the United States and you's dont really have many disputes with your neighbors. In the case of a global war, Brazil would probably lay dormant for a while as you wont be directly involved, but seeing your large military and close proximity to the United States, it's fairly likely that at a point, a belligerent on either side will probably seek you as an ally. Seeing as your countries largest foreign military suppliers are the US and her allies, I'd see you leaning slightly towards the US for friendship but it could go either way.
>>61905699
/thread
>>61905699
motherfucker
>>61905699
noice
>>61905910
Yeah, that's my point over what I was saying to him. It would be just naive thinking that brazil would stay neutral until the war ends. Both russia and the US would try engaging them on their sides sooner or later. Specially if china enters the war as a russian ally, what is vert likely because they have stronger ties among themselves once brazil, russia and chine are BRICS members.
I may be wrong, but the south american situation could be very different this time compared to the last ones.
>>61905844
What's the most classical of the languages spoken in the balcans? Croatian is a little bit closer to italian, slovenian have some influences too, but the serbian population seems bigger, I don't know if you were the dominant culture in the balkans throughout the balcan history.
Can you tell us if the sense of nationality linked to the dialects spoken by your neighbours played some part in getting the heat up before the war have started, or was it just an ethnic conflic as it was portrayed by the media?
>>61905699
Aw man
>>61906240
I guess they will claim they won the war even if they lost or didnt play a huge part on the victory side. Look at ww2 and vietnam
>>61906281
heh nice banter brazil you really got us this time haha
>>61905699
Good gooood!
>>61906281
The U.S is coming for you Brazil!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qqaRuzJhS3A
>>61906163
im not really educated on the subject but i think that all the languages from the ex-yu countries came from ancient slavic and formed over time. there certainly was heat based on language but i think there was more tension because of religion. also serbs try to use the cyrilic alphabet as much as they can while croats, slovenes bosnians use latin.
>>61906305
>>61906448
Haha, don't forget to bring here some peanut butter and some of those beers you have that taste like brewed piss. At the end of the war we can all get together and watch some MLB eating some hotdogs and pretending nothing happened the way you always do at the end of your wars
>>61906620
>and some of those beers you have that taste like brewed piss.
Are you referencing BR beer that only the poorest boomers drink?
>>61906620
Don't you mean the NFL you stupid bitch face?
>>61906671
Stupid bitch face?
>>61906661
I'm actually italian dude, I only like the taste of pomodoro and spaghetti.
>>61906671
I thought you guys were more into baseball, NFL games seems pretty rare over there. If I'm missing something, please feel free for educating me in that matter
>>61906734
Call education connection and get connected for free. Not my job to teach you things.
>>61906734
NFL is the most popular sport here, they have 16 games in the regular season.
Baseball is 3rd most popular, but known as America's past time. There are over 100 games in a baseball season
>>61906508
Yeah, religion was a huge thing back in the day, that's true.
Are people in serbia generally open for tourists?
I've met a nice amount of people from there, but they were expats. Never been to serbia. Is english generally a spoken english by the general population, even if at a low level of proficiency?
>>61906761
Stuck in my head now.
>>61906761
Yeah, I guess I can see you're more into shitposting.
>>61906787
Thanks dude, I'll keep that in mind
>>61906871
You're totally not gelling are you?
>>61906942
No, is that some sort of ad in america? I didnt live there for much long, guess you can notice my english isnt that shit, but there were some cultural aspects I didnt had the time to take a grasp
>>61906942
Oh, I've misred what you wrote. Thought it was "getting". No, I dont use gel, but I would say I look very typical steriotic italian guy. But dont think about those guidos you have in new jersey, they're terroni. I'm from the north
