Why didn't Poland become as powerful as Germany and France given that size of their territory are as large as them?
>>61795569
Bad neighbours. And they were under the PLC.
> Poland
more like Pooland amirite?
You know what. They actually did.
>>61795569
Bad neighbours, russia, austrian traitors, german nazies
>>61795569
Stop
>>61795569
Being gangbanged multiple times in history really fucked them as a nation. They're only recovering now.
>>61795569
They did
>>61795569
They were pretty powerful, history just twist and changes, they might be powerful in the future, but i do not think that will happen. Mongolia has been the most powerful empire in the history and today they are oh holy shit...
They wuz kangz, ruskies and krauts stole their wendic magic though
>>61795569
shitty
very shitty geoplolitcal positioning surrounded by bloodthirsty aggressive and stupide bandit pseudo civilizations.
just be thankful youre not us
>>61795569
Lack of strong centralized power and lack of reforms.
Please don't speak about us. This thread will become a polish-hate shitfest any minute.
because Slavs are stupid in general.
Smartest and richest slavs are just poor half-germanized humans.
>>61795569
>>61795752
WE
>>61795569
Poland wuz kings.
>>61795768
Why did you steal our culture?
>>61795569
Lack of reforms
Listening to the pope
Creating Prussia
Not destroying Russia (because Pope forbid it lol)
No strong ruling dynasty
Elective monarchy instead of Absolute
Pseudo Democracy in times of kingdoms
Those are reasons Poland is a shithole wasteland stripped of almost all territories it once held. >>61795780
>>61795748
> very shitty geoplolitcal positioning surrounded by bloodthirsty aggressive and stupide bandit pseudo civilizations.
same here
so what?
>>61795569
also we got democracy enhanced.
yurop is no place for meek sheep because it's entirely populated by vicious predatory jackals
>>61795853
just moving books to new capital
nothing special
>>61795569
read
>"Poland; an historical sketch" by Helmuth von Moltke
>God's playground by Norman Davies
If you're really interested.
200 years of incompetent leadership.
>>61795569
because they are sarmatians. It's obvious.
>>61795647
>And they were under the PLC.
They were the PLC.
Soviet Russia wanted a large puppet state as barrier.
>>61796000
Truly are.
>>61796365
>we wuz Hohols n sheeit
>>61795569
Because it is run by poles
When were they most powerful?
It doesn't look like they'll become relevant any time soon
>>61796773
1500-1630
>>61796685
Ukrainians are an artificial identity created by the Germans to weaken Russia and the possibility of recreating a future strong Polish state.
>>61795569
Subhuman and treacherous "neighbours" + idiotic policy ("democracy" in times of kingdoms and empires) + imbecile rulers + being cucked by Vatican, which resulted in:
- 123 years of non-existence
- 50 years of communism
- countless wars and uprisings
- total destruction and theft of Polish culture, genocides of our elites, intelligentsia etc
And somehow we are still here.
>>61795768
>>61796764
These tbqh.
>>61795569
Because Pollaks are worthless subhumans from the east who cannot into civilization.
If we weren't destroyed and genocided every 80 years in last 4 centuries, we would be probably the richest or at least one of the richest countries in Europe.
>>61797088
You made a thread and you got real answers and now you're insulting us.
You're fucking stupid or what? Should've said from the begining that you don't give a shit about real answers you chink.
>>61797255
That's like saying: "If we didn't face the same threats and challenges that every other European nation faces, we would be kangz."
A pollak will never take responsibility for his own brud.
You can literally point to garbage and litter in a Pollak's own property, and he will claim it's the Jews and Nazis preventing him from cleaning up his own property.
Pollak delusion is so severe, it needs to be medicated chemically.
Polish people are much lazier than Germans and they must recognize this.
>>61797630
kys ukrainian scum
>>61797305
Most of people on this planet can't even remotely compare to Poles in term of intellect, they are humanoid animals. It is really a waste of time to talk to them. If they knew that we had literally 40 years of freedom in last 300 years, and if they knew how brutally we were destroyed both: physically and economically by our enemies during last centuries, they wouldn't even bring this topic.
I want to say to all the poles in this thread that I love your country. You are the greatest ally to small cunts in eu4, without you I would not have many achievements. Stay great lads. :)
>>61797630
> talking about threats and challenges, while living on 100% safe continent without any enemies around willing to destroy you
>>61797088
t. smelly dumb gook
>>61797630
>Polish people are much lazier than Germans
kek
Europa Universalis has taught me that Poland would've rekt any cunt in the 15th century
The eternal teuton and eternal ruski eating on them for centuries must've sucked
>>61797733
Compare yourself to Belgium now.
They were surrounded by far more powerful and hostile powers and STILL, they have less shit spattered on their streets than "Polish intellectuals" and their cities.
>>61797814
>Greece, Russia, Poland
Just because you collect a pay cheque for a long day of work does not mean that you are efficient, productive or not lazy.
You must be doing something horribly wrong.
>>61797880
Life is not a game.
But it had its potential. If it had one ruling dynasty and centralized power it wouldn't get partitioned.
>>61797884
You don't even know history of Belgium, ruskie. Come back to elementary school.
>>61797884
>Compare yourself to Belgium now.
Why the fuck would we compare to a nation that has been nursed by French, Germans and Dutch for fucking centuries?
We weren't nursed, we were decimated.
Compare the populations not the size of the country you dumb gook. Also genocides in Poland and the eastern half of Europe in general were much worse than in the West, at least in more recent history. Change of economic system also effects it. Stop memeing Poland
>>61796801
More like 1410-1648.
>>61798019
I would go as far as to Casimir's rule.
So 1333 - 1648.
>>61797106
>subhumans from the east who cannot into civilization
You wot stupid canuck?
>>61797630
You're a fucking moron.
>>61797945
>You must be doing something horribly wrong.
Our only "fault" is the fact that we are still too weak to break the system of exploitation forced upon us by Germany after 1990. But we strongly believe that Germany won't be getting stronger with time, but weaker instead, which is already happening. It creates a possibility of setting ourselves free from this economical dictate in the future.
>>61798071
Oh yeah, you're totally right. Why couldn't based Kazimierz into offspring? Things would be probably better with the continuation of the Piast bloodline instead of the elective monarchy system.
>>61798304
he literally fucked everything he could and probably got a lot of bastard children.
he even had a jewish mail order bride.
>>61798112
Our only "fault" is that we have always been too kind to everyone.
>>61798343
Mixing with Jews is a very positive thing. What really entertains me is that Westerners are culturally and economically forced to intermix with lower races from Middle East and Africa which negatively affects their intellectual capabilities.
>>61797630
I hope most of ukraina speaks Arabic or Chinese as their main language by the turn of this century.
and we wont shed a tear
>>61798343
Yes, but royal non-bastard offspring was needed. Or least they could make one of those bastards a king to keep to bloodline alive.
>>61798474
>Or least they could make one of those bastards a king to keep to bloodline alive.
Pope and Germans would shit themselves from anal frustration.
>>61798504
>Pope and Germans would shit themselves from anal frustration.
Wait, they wanted the line to die out?
>>61795569
because Poland has always had far less people, now Germany has 80kk people and we are 38kk, but throughout most of the history the gap was even bigger, Polish people talk about how Poland was strong in medieval times but in reality we only had around 3kk people then with 30% or more being minorities, at the same time France had 20kk people
>>61798427
>hoholland
>Arabic and Chinese
More like Polish and Russian
>>61798530
Probably.
They thought that when Piast dynasty ends Poland will disintegrate into smaller dutchies, that HRE could control like during "Rozbicie Dzielnicowe"
I don't remember when I've read that, but it's quite possible.
>>61798549
>because Poland has always had far less people
Ehh... the PLC was the second largest country by population in Europe after France, it had more people than the HRE lad.
P.S. Prewar Poland had 35 million people and estimates said that those would grow to 60 million people to year 1970...
>>61798647
>posts a dinky none sense map
yep, gotta be a kacap
>>61798665
>and estimates said that those would grow to 60 million people to year 1970
Average Jewish family had 6 children in pre-war Poland, so yeah, it could be possible.
>>61797961
>>61797981
>Belgium is literally a field where foreign armies would stop to pillage for food and rape.
>But we were more persecuted then them!
This nigger-like psychological state of the Pollak and extreme denial is why Polish filth has to flood across Europe seeking work, while not even being able to feed and medicate their old and ensure employment for their young.
>>61798713
>Average Jewish family had 6 children in pre-war Poland, so yeah, it could be possible.
fucking jews
not saying I wouldn't tap thick jewish ass
>>61798112
>WE WUZ OPRESSED
Spiritually and physically, you are the niggers of Europe.
>>61798647
I would include Kamieniec Podolski thought.
>>61798725
Well, in fact Ukrainian filth floods Poland currently to get jobs. Thankfully only few of them can move to Canada.
>>61795569
>are as large as them
Man France is about as big as the two of them together.
>>61798758
and what the fuck are you
some failed yurotrash colonist who didnt sink into the ocean or die of disease on his way to the "new world" to get away from monarch oppression.
ahaha
once a yurotrash always a yurotrash.
>>61798764
http://webmshare.com/GaPz8
>>61798842
>and what the fuck are you
Stop posting here, you idiotic retard, because you only ridicule Polish anons. You are fucking cancer and essence of mental retardation on this imageboard.
The guy you are talking to can barely speak English, he is probably a Russian/Ukrainian expat.
>>61798898
go fuck yourself then slit your wrists bastard whore
>>61795569
>966
>1683
>>61798842
>>61798898
>>61798955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyocBqoS1mo
Let's listen some "Ukrainian" music instead, my brothers. :^)
>>61798725
Dude, Poland fought more wars and was fucked over internally and externally harder than Belgium ever was or ever will be.
I'll take the internal part back when the Muslim jihad war commences in Brussels's future tho.
>>61798955
I'm not >>61798898
... but he's right. You're dumb and should stop posting.
>>61795569
Why is everyone so afraid of Russia if it's so small?
>>61798990
good
muzzies know how to deal with yurotrash on a permanent basis.
Allahu Akbar
>>61798549
What the fuck are you talking about?
>Germany has 80kk people
30-40% of German populaton are West Slavs germanized over the last 1000 years
>and we are 38kk
In WWII we lost 20% of our people. Were it not for this, today our populaton would be around 70kk.
>>61798973
That's more of a Polish-Ukrainian song. It was originally written in Polish.
P.S. Ukraine was just a geographical name for area of Poland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3OpylRX53A
>>61795569
being hemmed in between friendly neighbours such as russia and germany has that effect
>>61799264
Heh, hence ":^)"
>>61799185
>>61799315
Oh, I didn't notice those """" lad.
Like many countries in europe, they fell into the sphere of "influence" (exploitation) of one of the great powers.
We just don't get the sympathy card everyone outside of europe does because of our geography.
WE
>>61798891
Kek'd. Is there a way to download this webm?
>>61799554
>http://webmshare.com/GaPz8
prawy przycisk myszy i "zapisz wideo jako" czy cos takiego
jest tez na dole chyba download przycisk
>>61798973
I'd rather listen to Arabic Nasheeds
they can into music,tones and rythm
the eastern yurotrash garbage doesnt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt7LdSExOos
>>61797630
>A pollak will never take responsibility for his own brud.
B-but your soviet tribemen are fascinated by cleanless of our toilets that they clean for a living.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHw1XLp4sxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJRX9y9kQB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UleU13fstZc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFoIMxWX4so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3TRIDMPwt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1qP51S4ksM
>>61799588
próbowałem, nie działa
>>61799469
But Kosciuszko was dumb for not taking the Russian offer - rebuilding of Polish army, restoration of the Polish Kingdom and joint invasion of Prussia, when Napoleon was loosing because "muh honour" and "muh revolution"...
>>61799839
chujowy haker z ciebie c kajtku?
>>61799839
>http://webmshare.com/GaPz8
a tak nie idzie?
>>61799775
>>61795864
>France
>Italy
>Netherlands
>Nordics
>bloodthirsty aggressive and stupide bandit pseudo civilization
Hans you have nothing but very nice civilized neighbours
You're the ones who are actually the bloodthirsty aggressive and stupide bandit pseudo civilization
Not seen as insult, but i think lack of fighting will of polish people. I think west slaves were quite peace. >German tribes were busy fighting romans and later each other
>Eastern Slaves were fighting uigurs and samis
>The north was raping England
>And the South was under the control of Byzantium
The marsh land of Poland was just not important/profitable till 1300 or something. And then germany and Rus finally defeated there enemies and could easily conquer, war inexperienced poland. Till now Poland history doesn't have as many conflicts as Germany and Russia, that were made by constant war
>>61799469
Napoleon was literally french hitler(with a little less genocide)
good job polacks
>>61799960
USA is Hitler too but it keeps Germany down and Russians out that's why we love it. We loved Napoleon for exactly the same reason: because he was enemy of both: Russia and Germany at the same time
>>61799903
ok udało się, dzięki
>>61799959
>lack of fighting will of polish people
Are we speaking about the same Poland here?
We had our own enemies for centuries. Even before official history started.
>>61800005
>USA is Hitler too but it keeps Germany down and Russians out that's why we love it.
lol stupid fucker
>>61800005
>>61800116
USA is actually sponsoring Germany since 1945.
>>61800005
I thought we were freedom friends
>>61800203
Poles love freedom more than anything else on this planet. And yeah, USA is a symbol of freedom and democracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB1AKLakTgM
>>61800348
And at the same time they're the biggest enemy of this world.
Don't get fooled they're a masonic country.
I love these threads.
The amount of Polish butthurt in these "this map proofs Poland is STRONK"-threads make me laugh every fucking time
>>61800348
>USA is a symbol of freedom and democracy.
you put the "dumb" in the "dumb polak" , my slavmate
>>61800179
>USA is actually sponsoring Germany since 1945
I'd say it's Jews who control USA, not USA itself.
>>61800446
USA is nothing more than Israeli shield though.
They're a failed experiment and their people are degenerate.
>>61800385
>Don't get fooled they're a masonic country.
And? Poland exists only thanks to freemasonry. Author of our national anthem is a freemason. A guy who created Bilderberg Group was a Polish freemason. A guy who created Trilateral Commision that is second most powerful globalist organisation on this planet is a Pole as well.
>>61800348
*loved
Today Poles have mentality of slaves thanks to communism
>>61800498
Too bad they don't give a shit about the country that gave them birth.
They're globalist scum.
>>61800386
Please take that 9gag-tier picture, bow your head in shame and awkwardly shuffle out of this thread.
Sidenote:
They were simply first in Eastern Prussia. Prussians took it from them by force, and that constitutes a legitimate claim, happens to countries all the time. The problem is when you lose a war against countries which are more powerful than you and have a big impact on world polirics. Might makes right after all, and that's how Stalin could just up and order that Silesia etc. be returned to Poland.
>>61800478
USA is nothing than a failed yurotrash empire.
And thank Allah it failed too.
>>61800526
They don't need to give a fuck specificially about Poland, but processes that they create are good for Poland indirectly
>>61795569
Germany and Russia were bigger niggers than Poland was. That's why.
>>61800559
Are you a real German?
>>61799185
Nice memes lad
>>61795748
>bandit
God, I love this word and I love how Slavs love that word.
There is nothing more Slav on this planet than a squatting man yelling about fascist bandits.
>>61800618
haploshit autist is here.
please go away
>>61800650
Excuse but that is your title, I have to explain them because you generalize shit like "all r1a is slavic!"
how do we make poland a superpower?
>>61800692
look here >>61799318
He meant that originally this land was populated by western slavs and they got germanised.
>>61797255
>after 25 years of freedom, liberty and ~300 bln dollars of financial aid from eu which was around 1.5 times of russian gdp in 2000.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-04-29/polish-300-billion-aid-package-hides-eu-expansion-flaws
>>61800623
you also love sucking on kike cock or so I've seen
>>61800700
Give nukes. It will guarantee that nobody is going to destroy us in next years and we will be able to grow undisturbed for the first time in last 400 years.
>>61800753
>implying Kaczyński aka Kalkstein would allow Poland to grow without USA
>>61800386
I hate these threads. It saddens me to see people bullying Poland
>>61800731
>bloomberg
you naive kaccapie
no wonder kikes peddled communism unto you and you stupid fucks ate it up like bagels
>>61800729
Not exactly, he claimed that "30-40% of German populaton are West Slavs", he uses the haplogroups as his evidence even though they are all native germanic subclades. Then he gets butthurt and hurls insults when someone calls him out on his bs
>>61800731
Poland pays to Russia almost 20 bln dollar every single year for oil and gas that Russia stole from other nations. EU pays to Poland only 12 bln dollar / year.
History books are still open, who knows if Polan won't be next kangz & shiet
So far everything is going petty well desu, roads are built, etc
>>61800875
>are all native germanic subclades
They're also native to Polish people.
>>61800818
Zrozum głupi bezmózgi zwierzęciu, że tylko osmieszasz Polskę na tym forum. Pierdolony lumpenprolecie podczłowieku, jestes za tępy, żeby się tutaj udzielać, robisz tylko z nas wszystkich idiotów. Używaj proxy jakiegos innego kraju i pierdol tu swoje głupoty, ale nie rób tego pod polską flagą, jebany szczochu.
>>61800876
>oil and gas that Russia stole from other nations
keked
>>61800970
More than 90% of your territory was stolen from other nations. Let's hope that some of them will demand independence someday.
>>61800950
>scratch a pole
>find a kike
>>61795569
Democracy. Not even joking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth#Golden_Liberty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szlachta
>>61799953
>You're the ones who are actually the bloodthirsty aggressive and stupide bandit pseudo civilization
Can fully confirm that these krauts were a mistake mutation in the Frankish gene.
>>61800906
That's because pre-germanic, pre-slavic indo europeans were present in both Scandinavia, Germany and Poland. They brought R1a to each area
>>61801008
they already are, Siberia is already demanding independence from moscow and joining China.
Im sure there are other enthicities demanding independecne from the eternal kaccap as well.
At least Chechyan are from what I know
>>61801191
So that would mean that what settled in Poland can be considered father of both Scandinavian and Western Slavs?
>>61800604
Why do you ask? If you wanna get specific, I'm Bavarian
>>61801238
>Why do you ask?
Because you've made a "normal" post. Which is unusual for german posters here. Makes me doubt that there are actual Germans here anymore.
>>61801231
Not exactly, if you look closely there is distinct german/scandinavian R1a subclades as opposed to Polish ones. More R1a was also brought from the slavs to Poland that wasnt from the pre slavic R1a population. But there is still some overlap
>>61801156
did the jews tax your jpg as it was uploading or what?
>>61801287
Well, did you not realize that all the German people who are spewing hate at Poland are mostly Prussianboos or WE WUZ Prussians?
Us Bavarians were able to observe with much Schadenfreude how the failed experiment that is Prussia collapsed hilariously. There's always been a historial rivalry between Prussia and Austria/Bavaria.
We tend to be more slav-friendly. Austria is a literal slav colony and Bavaria is full of Czechs. you guys are alright, Prussians are just assblasted because they drifted off into irrelevance and now need to cling on to their past glories.
I mean fuck, just look at Berlin and compare that to traditional Prussian values such as Ordnung, Einheit etc.
>>61801415
>More R1a was also brought from the slavs to Poland
That means Indo-Europeans = Slavs.
:^)
How does it feel to meme yourself despite claiming to be an expert?
>>61801464
You Bavarians are good lads.
>>61797814
>Mexico
>Greece
>hardworking
>>61795569
They will, soon.
>>61801554
it is actually hard work dodging the tax and denbts man believe it or not
>>61799959
>but i think lack of fighting will of polish people.
Eh what?
>And then germany and Rus finally defeated there enemies and could easily conquer, war inexperienced poland.
What are you talking about?
Poland took Kiev, defeated the HRE, then crushed the Teutonic Order, then the Duchy of Muscovy, then the Ottoman Empire, then the Swedes, then the Ottomans again, then the Russian Tsardom, the Cossacks after a bloody civil war, then somehow managed to kick out the Swedes, Russians out, then stopped the Ottomans once again then was partitioned by Prussia, Austria and Russia...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Poland
>Till now Poland history doesn't have as many conflicts as Germany and Russia, that were made by constant war
Poland has fought the most amount of wars, after Britain, in Europe...
>>61801473
WE
>>61800618
Nice try of manipulation or you just know shit about genetics. Too bad nothing is like you would like it to be.
Majority of modern German R1a is R1a-M458 and R1a-Z280 which are QUINTESSENTIALLY SLAVIC SUBCLADES of R1a haplogroup. Proto-Germanic/old Scandinavian R1a-CTS4385 (that one from CWC westward propagation) is rare and constitute minority of German R1a Y-DNA.
>>61796814
>Ukrainians are an artificial identity created by the Germans to weaken Russia and the possibility of recreating a future strong Polish state.
No, they aren't. There's a distinct Ruthenian/Ukrainian culture that, albeit related to the Russian/Muscovite culture, is still something apart. (Well, more apart than Danish vs. Norwegian at least).
>>61801473
What? Indo europeans = Celts, Germans, Slavic, italics, Hellinics etc
When I said more r1a was brought to Poland I meant that it was a separate subclade from the ones in the area prior that Germans and Polish shared
>>61801520
Why thank you.
The whole "slavs are all bydlos" bit is the worst meme int has come up with. I live in Northern Bavaria and am literally surrounded by Czechs and slovenes, they're hard-working and agreeable people.
Have you ever been down here?
>>61801730
>Have you ever been down here?
Not really.
Maybe I will once Pooland gets itself into another war.
>>61795569
Polish-Lithuanian union was able to defeat several times countries like Turkey, Moscow, Sweden and it stopped the Teutonic Order. How is that not powerful?
In regard to the more modern history - well that's the question which preoccupies the debate pretty much since the XVIIIth century until today :D
>>61800498
>Poland exists only thanks to freemasonry.
Oh dear God no...
>A guy who created Bilderberg Group was a Polish freemason. A guy who created Trilateral Commision that is second most powerful globalist organisation on this planet is a Pole as well.
You really mean Jews.
>>61801794
Nope, none of them is/was Jewish.
>>61800498
masonska kurwa posrrrrrana!!!
masonska kurwa posrrrrrana!!!
masonska kurwa posrrrrrana!!!
masonska kurwa posrrrrrana!!!
>>61801662
*old Scandinavian R1a-Z284
>>61800731
See: >>61796918
>Bad neighbours
Code word for shitty country.
>>61801662
R1a reaches levels of 30 percent in Scandinavia, it is by no means rare in Germanic populations. R1a-M458 has been found in Germany as far back as 2500bc, thousands of years before slavs existed. It is not quintessentially slavic
>>61801977
But out neighbours are truly satanic scum. They are responsible for biggest genocides in history of humanity.
>>61801977
Tell that to an armenian he'll put a knife in your gut.
stupid cultureless fuckwit
>>61802025
I bet you're angels.
>>61795569
Too much freedom. They crippled their country by turning it into a literal libertarian anarchy.
Not for the commoners of course, just for the nobility, who ruled by consensus. Poorly.
>>61801977
Sweden was not better than Russia and Germany. We remember, never forgive and someday will dance on dead body of your nation.
The Swedish invasion affected the richest provinces of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth (Greater Poland, Lesser Poland, Mazovia, Pomerelia, Kujawy, Podlasie), which for the most part had not been affected by major wars for 200 years. Professor Andrzej Rottermund, manager of the Royal Castle in Warsaw, claims that the Swedish army robbed Poland of her most precious goods - thousands of works of art, books and valuables.[22] Most of these items have never been returned to Poland, and are kept both in private Swedish hands, and in Stockholm museums, such as Swedish Army Museum, and Livrustkammaren. Almost all cities, towns, castles and churches in locations where Swedish troops were stationed were destroyed
According to the estimates of Polish scholars I. Ihnatowicz, Z. Landau, A. Mączak and B. Zientara, the invasion by the Swedish army and its allies (Brandenburg-Prussia and Transilvania), resulted in the loss of 25% of the population in four core Polish provinces. Lesser Poland lost 23% of population, Mazovia 40% in villages and 70% in towns, Greater Poland 50% in villages and 60% in towns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history)
>>61802134
Should have defended yourselves better then.
>>61802198
We will dance on dead body of whole Europe, because everybody is our enemy
>>61802237
You guys really bear striking resemblance to Russians
>>61802198
oh well,
at least we know we wont be invaded by sweden again,
that is, if you cucks can round up all your muslims and convince them to die for your shithole. lol
I hope they tear you up to piece and genocide every scandinavic whore on your clay.
>>61802237
Even magyars?
>>61802286
We will dance on dead body of Russia as well
>>61802305
Even if Sweden goes under it doesn't make Poland any less of a shithole. I think it's safe to assume Poland will always be a second tier country.
>>61802452
If we had 100 years of undisturbed capitalist growth like Sweden had, we would be much richer than you are today, because you are inferior intellectually and morally to us.
>>61801721
>There's a distinct Ruthenian/Ukrainian culture that,
Which is simply put Polish culture, which they try to act like it's something different when it's not.
The Ukrainian identity was literally created in the mid 19th century in previously Polish lands that were put under high Russification.
>>61802024
>Germany as far back as 2500bc,
>before slavs existed.
What the fuck are you even talking about.
>>61802496
Always ifs and buts. Results are what matters. We'll see if you manage to become a top country in the future.
>>61802098
>They crippled their country by turning it into a literal libertarian anarchy.
This. "Democracy" kills as one famous Polish politician once said.
>Not for the commoners of course, just for the nobility, who ruled by consensus.
They were 10% of the population tho.
>>61802588
We will mix your kind with niggers.
>>61802588
>we'll see
no you wont, you'll be getting beheaded by a Sharia law moral police for playing that satanic scandinavic shit haram death metal of yours too loudly.
The eternal butthurt continues
>>61802198
We did the best we could, not really, out of the terribly hopeless situation.
>>61802564
He's right, Slavs didn't exist in 2500 BC, they only split from Proto-Balto-Slavic languages around 1000 BC.
>>61795569
We did, but eternal German in cooperation with degenerate Russian couldn't stand it and always suckerpunched us
>>61802538
>Which is simply put Polish culture
No, it isn't. Ukrainians and Belorussians are NOT just some Polish-Russian mix.
This gets obvious when you consider the language. Ukr has atypical traits not explainable by either Polish or Russian influence, like that weird /g/ > /h/ shift (see Ukr. hovoryty vs. Russ. govorit' vs. WHERE IS THE POLISH COGNATE?), vowel opening, presence of vocative unlike Russian but lack of nasal vowels unlike Polish.
>>61802024
>R1a reaches levels of 30 percent in Scandinavia
You apparently fail to understand that there is a lot of different R1a branches not just single "R1a" haplogroup. R1a in Scandinavia is indeed Germanic, but it's R1a-Z284 subclade, which IN GERMANY IS RARE. Old West European R1a-L664 is even more rare.
>It is not quintessentially slavic
R1a-M458 is quintessentially Slavic by all means. In fact it's Proto-Slavic marker.
>R1a-M458 has been found in Germany as far back as 2500bc, thousands of years before slavs existed.
Thanks just to genetics it has been proven that West Slavs have existed where they exist today since always and not came from the east or somewhere else. In other words people living in Poland say 5000 YBP were ancestors of modern Poles. This is exactly why scientists are finding in Central European ancient remains Proto-Slavic marker R1a-M458 that originated in Poland which is Slavic homeland.
>>61802538
And one can argue "Russian" for historical purposes are two related languages - Novgorodian and Muscovite - that eventually merged into one.
>>61803036
The south-eastern Ruthenians have mixed with Tatars. Poles and Ruthenians mixed in Galicia, Volhynia already since the 13th century; Podolia and Ukraine since 16th century. Catholic-Orthodox marriages have been a traditions in those areas for centuries until the 20th century. West Ruthenians basically speak closer to Polish and genetically are basically Poles.
>>61802714
stop posting from my flag
>>61803945
Nej.
Why doesn't Poland attack Ukraine and retake their soil?
>>61801415
>>61801722
You have no clue what you are talking about. R1a clades that are found in modern West Slavs were not brought here from anywhere by anybody. They have always been here, since R haplogroups arrived in Europe. In other words Slavic R1a's are indigenous to Central Europe and identical to those held by people living here 4k or 5k years ago.
PS Genetics is a complicated science not for everyone.
>>61800498
>A guy who created Trilateral Commision that is second most powerful globalist organisation on this planet is a Pole as well
Zbigniew Brzeziński pic rel
Notice that they all look the same for some reason (Brzeziński, Soros, Rockefeller, Rothschild etc.)
>>61804767
He was just one of the guys.
>>61803063
literally wandals = poles
>>61804787
>>61804137
Because we ain't in 1800 to take land by force?
Because Russia would be pissed and see it as a legit reason to retake Ukraine back and then get 99% of the Eastern Poles to "realize" they're Russians and want to join the Russian Federation?
>>61803063
Anyone who claims that Slavs are a race is a fucking retarded nigger.
Northern Europeans come from the same ancient seed populations: Hunter Gatherers, Near Eastern Farmers and Northern Eurasians.
Slavs are a bit of each, with a lot of the latter.
Germans and Western Slavs and Scandinavians actually have a common origin, separated by a few hundred years.
we are Wendo-Judeo-Sarmatians with Vandal origins
>>61804907
>Germans and Western Slavs and Scandinavians actually have a common origin, separated by a few hundred years.
Doesn't change the fact that Poles are literally on their own land in here.
>>61804907
I agree with you. Worth mentioning proto-Slavic probably spread as a common language, and thus the groups who spoke it might not be genetically related.
>>61804895
Why would Russia be pissed when that's literally what they offered to Poland?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbZDVOyPRHg
>Why didn't Poland become as powerful as Germany and France given that size of their territory are as large as them?
Because Poles are peasant society by mentality and culture. Simply not destined for anything bigger than eating potatoes and pork
>>61804845
>>61804947
;)
>>61805077
t. I'm not a p-pole, w-west pls accept
Long time no see, retard.
>>61805056
There's a difference between grabbing a slice of a cake versus taking the whole cake home, man.
>>61805077
>bydło cherrypicking
We have a lot of those though, I have to admit that
>>61805142
What does that even mean? That's literally how Ukraine's borders should have looked like today.
>>61805125
nah, West is even more cancer
>>61805309
You have to admit though. You would pound that bydlo slut >>61805077
>>61805393
She's nice, yeah.
>>61805118
>Chronological series of dukes and kings of the Poles [alacho i.?] at Augustus the 4th
I forgot how the genitive plural was fucking ugly...
>>61805251
Look, >>61804137 implies either to annex whole Ukraine or _at least_ blobbing into former First Republic lands. Including what's blue in >>61805056.
Russia wouldn't let it do it. Russia would be fine giving Poland "here are some leftovers, suka" and that's it. Lwów/Lviv is fine, but Kiev? Nah.
Another thing you need to consider is that, while Russia relies mainly in hard power, they do use soft power. And the Ukraine in the map you posted would be a very convenient puppet/buffer zone between them and "those damn EU", just like Belarus.
TL;DR: Poland would be belarused.
Also remember nationalism, language and former lands are _never_ the reason for blobbing, just excuses.
The reason for blobbing is simply power.
>>61795569
The PLC was pretty damn powerful, it just couldn't get it's shit together for any serious show of force. Leaving the king's troops to fight outnumbered more often than not, but the troops that fought sure as hell showed their power, often inflicting many more losses on their enemies than their enemies did on them.
Poles here really have to stop all the banter from getting to them, the butthurt is too much.
You're simply reading someone's opinion here, why take it so personally.
>>61806083
Because there are literally 10 threads made about Poland every day and every of them is hostile.
Often full of lies and hate.
>>61803036
>WHERE IS THE POLISH COGNATE?
gaworzyć
Sarmatism and Aurea Libertas are major reasons. But you would have to google that and read walls of text to understand.
>>61805552
>Look, >>61804137 implies either to annex whole Ukraine
Not really.
>or _at least_ blobbing into former First Republic lands.
Second Republic, as it should be.
>Including what's blue in >>61805056 (You).
Not at at all.
>Russia would be fine giving Poland "here are some leftovers, suka" and that's it. Lwów/Lviv is fine,
Exactly that. Only want the cities that Poles actually built up (Lwów) and founded (Stanisławów and Tarnopol etc.).
>but Kiev? Nah.
Literally no Pole want's Kiev, that's Ukraine of pic related. That's literally how Ukraine would have looked like if the treaty went trough because only that dark-yellow area was called Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Lithuanian–Ruthenian_Commonwealth
>>61806170
Thanks... only mówić [obviously unrelated] came to my mind.
It's nice to see how the /g/ was kept intact both in Russian and Polish, but softened in Ukrainian. Shit like that isn't explained just by "Ukrainians are Polished Russians".
>>61803036
desu, the difference between Ukrainian and Russian isn't much bigger than between pt-BR and pt-EU - you have thousands of words from Tupi-Guarani and some really dictinct phonetical features
>>61806258
BTW, you have some really remarkable knowledge of Slavic languages.
So basically we can all agree that Ukraine and Belarus are invented countries that should not exist, right?
>>61806305
Not quite. Yes, there are some distinctive features on phonology, grammar and vocab between pt_PT and pt_BR standards... but they don't hamper communication nowhere as much as between someone speaking non-surzhyk Ukrainian and standard Russian.
I think Spanish vs. Portuguese would be a better comparison.
>>61806359
Thanks.
>>61806963
What if the invented country is actually Russia? Pic related.
>>61804982
>Doesn't change the fact that Poles are literally on their own land in here.
W-what?
>>61795884
tripz
>>61805077
This is true.
Niggers in spirit, niggers in life.
>>61807064
>What if the invented country is actually Russia?
This is true as well.
>>61795748
>implying every nation in the history of forever wasn't surrounded by nations that would be empires
Fucking retarded reasoning.
>>61795780
Yes well done Poland, well done Poland
HOWEVER
>>61807064
>I think Spanish vs. Portuguese would be a better comparison.
sim, eu acredito
>>61807251
He is probably referring to this:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0110839
cuz they're stupid lmoa
>>61807925
well...
>>61808111
haha stupid bolan get fukd
It would've been very difficult for poland to create colonies because of their location
>>61808144
praise the loo!
>>61808209
poland? more like POOland
Xd
>>61804907
Slavs are not a race but they have a distinctive genetic profile which is very helpful in determining who Slavs are, where did they come from, when did they emerge, what archeological cultures can we connect Slavs to etc.
Most of such questions has already been answered thanks to modern science.
>>61807925
>>61808144
>>61808406
>India
???
>>61795569
Pick any of
>geography
>second serfdom
>catholicism
>failed political system
Population wise we would probably be as big as France/Britain are now if WW2 didn't wipe off about 15 million people from our country.
>>61808578
>try to think of something for POOland
>can't think of anything besides POOland is stupid
roflol
>>61807895
>http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0110839
That's a pretty useless study, because we know from historical record that Poland wasn't invaded or colonized by anyone else in the period 200 BC-1400 AD, except for the Turkic people and Semites, which apparently, this sample did not bother to consider.
