Why is nationalism so attractive to the poor and uneducated?
>>61399792
gives meaning to their lives, they like to belong to the herd
muh false consciousness
>>61399792
Because when you are poor and uneducated, people who are most like you are the best security against fucking you over. They have worse access to legal redress, to benefit from a globalized economy and bear the brunt of race riots.
By minimizing the sources of friction they cut out the day to day danger in their lives
>>61399792
When you have failed at everything else, when you dont think you can succeed anymore, you search for the only thing you cant fail. That is being born to the nationality you are.
It is the only thing left, you start to take pride in it, as you didnt fail in it, and you surround yourself with people who are like you, who pat you on the back
"Well done, you are still the nationality you were born to, you make us proud"
People who move into ones country start to become the problem, as they suddenly receive the same pat on the back from the government as what you got from your friends.
"I WUZ HERE FIRST" mentality starts to push its head out, as at that point, you realize a sandnigger who couldnt read gets the same praise, is called brave and is given more benefits than what you ever got.
And then in denial, when the poor and uneducated refuse to see nobody wants them, they gave Nationalists bad name with their childish rants and actions.
And the normal people are in the end worse for it
>>61399792
When you have nothing, it only stays you the nation.
because poor people don't have to deem themselves superior and don't have nothing to lose by going against the mainstream social thought
>>61399792
Because poor people are the ones who have to deal with shitskins personally every day.
The rich Liberals usually live in their white suburbs and gated communities where the only black people they see are the ones making rap music or actors in films.
It's very easy to have a good opinion of people when you never actually interact with them.
Because they have nothing to lose
>>61399792
Because for them their identity, culture, values and history are more important than wealth.
>>61399792
I think it's because they get pissed at immigrants getting help from the government for being poor while they have to work
>>61399792
Because rich people knows that embracing globalism is the way to keep it safe with their money in the actual world.
>>61399792
Because they are losers of globalisation
I don't think retrenchment to nation states would help them though
>>61400457
hey /pol/
>>61399792
Why is globalism and communism so popular with the autistic and self hating uneducated middle-class kids?
1)Poorer areas get the brunt of immigration and have to deal with the shit from foreigners / see the areas they grew up in look nothing like it used to
2)Nazism offers easy solutions to complex issues.
3) It's a support group for people who probably have nobody else to turn to
>>61401288
Not an argument
>>61401288
Nice nazi dubblers, tumblr.
>>61401443
and I just want to say nationalism is fine. what I'm referring to is extreme nationalism / jingoism
>>61401288
How am I wrong though?
Most die-hard liberals, socialists and antifa that I've seen are mostly kids from middleclass households who have nearly never actually lived or interacted with the people they love so much
Why is family, community and belonging so attractive to the poor and educated? Why aren't they just materialistic self-obsessed nihilistic bovines like myself, the enlightened one?
Poor relative to who?
Generally the lower middle class is the most nationalistic. Not the poorest and least educated.
The same thing that attracts you to identify with non-nationalistic people. Tribalism. It's just a concept. But if you have no history to be proud of or your ancestors were failures or nomads you tend to become anti-nationalist. So except for likeminded people you are not seen as smarter or more educated. What's even worse anti-nationalist are more effeminate and won't reproduce as much as other people.
>>61401622
Stop bringing up a whole new topic kid
>>61402006
>"hello pol"
>picture of dead nazi soldier
heh, I hire rekt him guise
SMASH THE FASH XDXDXDXD
>>61402006
Is that suppose to offend me?
I'm not a nazi, i don't identify as a nazi.
its easy to learn, just kill other races
Because in rich western countries, what can the left offer to the natives to make them lefties?
Neoliberals care only about making the rich richer, the class struggle of the working class is long dead and no longer a left value, they just import different people for...whatever reason ( it's not even cheap labor, 70% of somalis in Norway are unemployed).
The right wing is not much different, but they can still offer something in return.
So this is why poor natives are more right wing than left wing.
The left wing is the party of the bourgeois and the new natives.
>>61402254
Know this stormfag.
If you ever try to start an armed resistance to bring forth totalitarian national socialism. I will be out seeking to kill you and your family.
>>61402499
>I will be out seeking to kill you and your family.
>>61402499
>>61402499
KEK
i can really imagine pic related "killing" some big Aryan brotherhood member who just got out
>>61400457
thats not true as you can see in europe. the lack of contact with immigrants leads to racism. just look at east germany. people are afraid of what they dont know
>>61400610
>as if they had the choice
it's all they have. they have fuck all else going on for them. in a modern economy where most of the brawn-centred jobs where averagely dumb people could still earn a decent wage have now been automated, there's only skivvie work for those people nowadays which pays shit.
a lot of them are too proud to do that work or do it and resent it, and they hate that they now have to compete for those jobs with the same sorts of people who happen to be polish or whatever.
the irony is that the nationalists can't see past their noses and make common cause with the incomers - particularly the white christian incomers - to push for better wages. they're too dumb to realise that the polish blue collar guy he hates agrees with him and shares far more of a common outlook than the middle class employment agency wanker who shafts him in terms of pay so that numbers on a spreadsheet look 0.075% better this quarter.
>>61402837
>thats not true as you can see in europe. the lack of contact with immigrants leads to racism
Really huh?
I bet those women who got raped in Germany by refugees are really anti-racist now that they've got to meet them.
>>61402499
>pic related
>>61402893
>I bet those women who got raped in Germany
The ones who retracted their charges and admitted to lying?
>>61402837
Is there any German here who doesn't mindlessly repeat the German media memes?
The lack of contact with Nazis leads to leftism. Just look at the people who live around Nazis and are not afraid.
Especially those uneducated and poor EU nationalists simply don't get it. Why do they hate Germany?
>>61402969
Source?
Im poor and uneducated and i realize that nationalism is full shit.
>>61402856
This is true, Nazis and communists both have the same enemy, the jews at the top. It is only due to divide and conquer tactics that they bicker with each other instead of against their common foe.
>>61403113
Communism was created by Jews "at the top"
>>61402969
No the ones who are being demonised for being racist because they revealed the ethnicity of their attackers.
Please provide sources for your claim.
>>61403109
I agree. EU nationalists are completely retarded.
>>61403109
This
Wanting your country to remain white is evil and wrong
>>61403001
thats not true
nazis reach 5-20 percent in the east. communists reach 15-30 percent in the east
in the ruhr area, hamburg and frankfurt where number of foreigners are the highest center parties gain more than 85 percent of the votes
Poor and uneducated are more likely to be unemployed and have more time to protest. However, the majority of true intellectuals are also nationalists, they are just waiting for the right moment to rid the world of the ruling Hochstapler leftist mob that is posing as intellectuals.
>>61401796
>Generally the lower middle class is the most nationalistic. Not the poorest and least educated.
Thats because the immigrants are the poorest and least educated
>>61403190
>>61403004
http://time.com/4202091/germany-migrant-rape/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/31/teenage-girl-made-up-migrant-claim-that-caused-uproar-in-germany
>pretending you hadn't heard about it already
>>61399792
More like upper-classes are too scared to have their own opinions about anything so they went with the Jew.
>>61403340
That girl is not those women nor was she present at the event. Learn how to read.
>>61402499
holy shit
Im a rich trust fund babby and i like nationalism
r8
>>61402499
God thats pathethic.
>your family
lel.
So you believe in guilt carried by bloodline, to be dealt with collectivepunishent?
Gee, were did we had concept again last time..
Don't worry, nationalism is ironic on 4chin.
>>61403340
No anon, from a reputable source.
>Incident that happened to dozens of women with thousands of witnesses didn't happen
>>61399792
"The cheapest form of pride however is national pride. For it reveals in the one thus afflicted the lack of individual qualities of which he could be proud, while he would not otherwise reach for what he shares with so many millions. He who possesses significant personal merits will rather recognise the defects of his own nation, as he has them constantly before his eyes, most clearly. But that poor blighter who has nothing in the world of which he can be proud, latches onto the last means of being proud, the nation to which he belongs to. Thus he recovers and is now in gratitude ready to defend with hands and feet all errors and follies which are its own."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860), German philosopher
>>61403281
Im from a westphalian city and I still grew racist due to contact and stories about the more unsavory types of muzzies.
Its probably that you dont speak about it if you live among them in order to reduce conflict (who wants to be a sperg after all) and selfcensor more (I do a lot.) because of all the great personalities, friendly immigrants you know personaly, even if you genuinly believe that they as a group at a whole harm the country greatly.
>>61403281
AFD has 24% in Sachsen-Anhalt
Die Linke has 16,3%
You don't have real centrist parties anymore. They shifted mostly to the left hence the surge of the AFD in that vacuum.
The argument is useless because it's like saying. Look at all this communists in Venezuela. If you have a lot of communists you get used to them. Then everything is well. Look at all the people smoking 15 years ago. Where people smoked they didn't ban smoking.
Certain people and regions simply don't want more foreigners.
>>61403617
>afd
>nazi
l0l
>>61403617
in the east you dont have center parties anymore because that place is fucked up anyway. the west is doing fine, everywhere center parties have >80%
>>61403550
i grew up in the ruhr area, playing football with german, turkish and other children. that was just normal, conflicts never arrised. sure, some turkish kids didnt speak so well german, but thats all i ever felt as a difference. one or two of my childhood friends become a commie or a nazi and one or two of them became a fundamental muslim or akp voter.
>>61403295
Okay?
So they are the most nationalistic?
Why is anti-fa so attractive to coddled liberals who've never worked a day in their life and couldn't get jobs with their gender studies degrees?
>>61404081
It gives them a a chance to vent their psychopathic thuggery with their desire to virtue signal at the same time.
>>61404081
antifa and neo nazi groups are super similar about their believes and "strategies" actually. they both appeal a lot to the outsider type of people, since they give those some meaning in their pathetic meaningless lifes.
also lpt:
if someone either defends one of these two groups by for example saying: "the others are worse" he is a sympatisant of one of them and therefore his political opinion is irrelevant
>>61404190
>psychopathic thuggery
that's what right wingers do tho
>>61403454
>journalism in the 21st century
>>61404271
I'm not even going to fall for it lad, I'm too tired from the gym to engage in your shitposting.
>>61404081
Same reason the Nazis attract punters. It's an edgy, absolutist subculture. Unlike Nazis it's seen as more socially acceptable so it offers that polished sheen of moral righteousness. Exactly the moral righteousness the Nazis used to have before the kekkocaust.
>>61404289
oh the Guardian is one of the worst rags around, if anyone tells you they are a reputable source of news spit on their face.
>>61404271
Can you answer my question here >>61404081
I have no doubt you are a friendless sperg and part of "la legion" but I'd like to hear it from you.
>>61404317
nationalist groups are the ones dressing up like skinheads and wandering the streets killing people, what are you even arguing?
>>61403814
Yeah, I too had experience with turk chilluns.
Sometimes really nice ones, sometimes really nasty experiences.
Only got along with alewites and atheists tho.
I could write down a lot but im tired, lets just say I cannot blame any region to not wanting to have turks or foreigners in general as the mixed regions are inheritently prone to identity squabbles and retarded conflicts about their islamic sensibilities.
>>61402683
>hahaha liberals are pussies! let's go to this white nationalism rally and show them what's up
People won't hesitate to kill you if you demonstrate, keep that in mind
>>61404366
that happens when you pay your authors per click and just hire those whos blogs are so "popular"
pretty sure 90% of the click those articles gain are from people being upset after they read the headline
>>61404402
Can you prove this?
A question begging epithet isn't a argument
>>61404378
I work 50 hour a week driving a forklift and never went to college
I hate racist because they needlessly divide people and we'd be stronger united
Liberals don't wander around in gangs killing people, "nationalists" do that
>>61404483
ever picture itt
>>61404402
>ones dressing up like skinheads and wandering the streets killing people
citation needed
Leftists are the ones attacking peaceful groups from expressing their opinions
Pic related, just recently in the US
>>61404402
Prove your claim, because it's always the antifa scum who march and attack everyone their witch hunt deems as an evil racist.
They attacked an American reporter the other day in London reporting on the Brexit because she had a hat with a Union flag on it.
They attacked a legitimate march in America the other day for the same fascist reasons.
Antifa are without a doubt the worst scum in the west.
>>61404484
Give me one modern example of nationalists wandering around in gangs and killing people.
>>61404421
>People won't hesitate to kill you if you demonstrate, keep that in mind
So why do antifa always get beaten up when they don't have the protection of the police?
In Sacramento they literally outnumbered "nazis" 6:1 and they STILL got btfo
>>61404421
But they were the victims and 7 of the antifa cucks got stabbed in self defence.
>>61404571
nsu in germany
>>61404484
>Liberals don't wander around in gangs killing people
Except that they literally do that
>>61404540
The fascist left truly is a cancer.
>>61404645
t. i get all my information from news
>>61404484
Can "white" nationalists be called nationalists though?
America was always a multicultural state never a classical oldworld nationstate.
Besides that, weve got differing political cultures in europe.
Antifa is different here, just as the militant rightwingers are concerning strenght and behaviour.
Then you have now also groups who fall out of that sheme, turks thrillkilling natives out of racist motivations is now a thing here since a longer time, just as nazis thrillkilling immigrants was a thing in the east around the 90s.
>>61404677
The News are the one shilling for Refugees and immigrants though
Refusing to report on "non-white" crime, getting caught in omitting facts, etc
>>61404521
You mean the ones with antifa attacking people?
Not a very compelling argument
As a matter of fact it isn't a argument
>>61404645
wtf do they pay you in poland? like 0,75€ per hour? get your shit together
>>61399792
They have terrible taste in lager too.
>>61404540
>>61404483
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/22/right-wing-lone-wolf-terrorists-are-greater-threat-to-europe-than-islamist-ones-says-report/
https://news.vice.com/article/violence-caused-by-far-right-extremists-has-surpassed-that-caused-by-domestic-jihadists-study-says
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-refugee-hostel-attacks-on-the-rise-a-1027994.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/neo-nazi-asylum-attacks-lead-to-fears-of-racist-networks-a-1050760.html
http://www.rand.org/pubs/notes/N1856.html
Why do you lie? You're literally posting pictures of violent right-wing gangs and then denying that you are doing any violence and accuse the liberals of doing violence when normally you call them pussies etc
Nationalists kill people in Europe every day and everyone knows this fact stop pretending you dindu nuffin
Soon enough you will be punished and imprisoned for your lies anyway
>>61404645
You can't even make this shit up he's that stupid.
>>61404694
>America was always a multicultural state never a classical oldworld nationstate.
How was it not though?
It was founded by White, Christian Europeans
>>61402837
Opposite here, Western Canada hates natives because we deal with them all the time while quebec has a much more positive attitude because they all hide up north
>>61401422
>Communism
Alex Jones pls
>>61404484
It sounds like you are poor and uneducated yet here you are a lefty "anti-fa" fascist.
>>61404577
The police were protecting the white nationalists at this rally, read the story
Not sure what you're talking about though, the nazis got fucked pretty badly and they came armed with knives even lmao
hopefully this escalates and people start killing white nationalists who demonstrate, make an example out of them so they just stay indoors on 4chan all day like normal
>>61404608
>But they were the victims
Good, every time they step outside they should be worried about being attacked, poor redneck white nationalist scum has no place in society
>>61404761
you realise you are the immigrants though. so the natives have a problem with you and not the other way around
>>61404366
All news outlets are trolls now. The Guardian is the most blatant of the lefty broadsheets. They always have been but now they fight more desperately for views against an ever widening array of competitors on more and more platforms.
Channel 4 news is pure SJW pandering and trollbait, for example. The notion of news as public service is dead.
>>61404737
Meanwhile, in the real world...
>>61404791
t.fascist
>>61399857
Individualism neglects this human need. It's why people just break of into groups that claim to be individualist but are all just conformists who conform to something different than mainstream society. It's always something stupid to like punk, skaters or goths or hipsters. Society should promote conformity to something that is actually great and worth living for instead of chasing petty self indulgence.
>>61399792
Because education is filled with anti-nationalist indoctrination and upper classes of people want to distinguish themselves from the poor
>>61401622
>not automatically blaming ones own shortcomings on the 'others' = love.
How is it brown peoples fault that you're too dumb to be successful again?
>>61404791
>The police were protecting the white nationalists at this rally, read the story
Gee, really?
Because Nationalists peacefully organized and wanted to use their constitutional right to free speech and they got outnumbered and attacked by Antifa with weapons?
And they STILL got their shit kicked in, just pathetic desu
>>61404808
where the fuck do the anarchist kill all those people?
>>61404421
>ha ha lets crash these Nazi's protest even though they aren't Nazi's but a traditionalist group
>Who cares if they have a permit to protest?
>We will show up with weapons and show them that their intolerant views aren't welcome here with violence!
>There they are die facist nazi scum! Fuck the police!
>oh shit! They are wrestling our weapons away and kicking our asses!
>help police! Save us!
lol
>>61404854
>How is it brown peoples fault that you're too dumb to be successful again?
Who said it was?
You're using a strawman argument. White people wanting to organize and discuss their country and having a border isn't wrong and (not yet) illegal
>>61404852
>i am more intelligent because i didnt go to school (aka indoctrination house)
They are more prone to memes
>>61404791
>hopefully this escalates and people start killing white nationalists who demonstrate
Yeah, how DARE we let people invoke their freedom of speech. It's not fascist if we shut down free speech... right?
>the nazis got fucked pretty badly and they came armed with knives even lmao
The antifa were the ones with weapons. Also why do you keep calling them nazis? They're not nazis, they don't identify as nazis
I knew /int/ was full of self righteous fuck nuts but this is just pathetic.
>>61404808
>4 dead in 10 years
There's more than that dead in the links I posted, you're so autistic you actually believed and reposted a fake picture
End yourself you will never not be retarded
>>61404737
>these blogs prove me right
Wew lad
See real government sources
>>61404808
>>61404571
In finland we have a gang named sod (soldiers of odin) what is full of nazi skinheads who stand for "keeping streets clean from immigrants" with violence and they add to social media lots of pictures from their assault rifles, pistols and baseball bats to scare people.
And yes, they are modern. They made their gang for against people who are trying to run away from syria crisis.
Its really shamefull to tell this you guys.
Because they have friends.
>>61404895
>Socialism = no borders
Fallacy central here
>>61399792
because it doesnt require thinking. nationalists dont have to think about anything in dialectic way. they are stupid so always for stupid dualism, like, yes or no, white or black, good or bad, in or out.
generally they cant be objective and take a middle position between those.
>>61405025
When did I imply anything about socialism?
Where did I even mention socialism? Were we even discussing socialism?
>>61404881
>>ha ha lets crash these Nazi's protest even though they aren't Nazi's but a traditionalist group
They literally describe themselves as white nationalist
>>Who cares if they have a permit to protest?
Correct, who cares, people also have a right to counter protest, that's how free speech works. Want a safe space for your bigotry? Are you afraid of big mean antifa?
>>oh shit! They are wrestling our weapons away and kicking our asses!
>>help police! Save us!
And yet they shut down the rally, and lmao if you think the antifa got beat here, they beat the living shit out of the armed white nationalists, shame they didn't just bring guns to deal with them since a good bit of lead is the only cure for the plague that is their existence
>>61404965
Shitposter confirmed.
Run along little by, I'm sure you have school tomorrow.
>>61404830
Explain what fascism is and its policies
Did you know during the Soviet-China split both sides called the other fascist?
I'm all about nationalism.
t.rich and educated
less indoctrination by pseudointellectual university types, so common sense prevails over virtue-signalling, groupthink, false ideologies, and norm-enforcement which we see on the left
>>61404954
>Yeah, how DARE we let people invoke their freedom of speech. It's not fascist if we shut down free speech... right?
It's literally not fascist to shut down fascist events, no
>The antifa were the ones with weapons. Also why do you keep calling them nazis? They're not nazis, they don't identify as nazis
Did you not read a single article? They admitted they came with weapons because they expected violence and the leader of the damn group describes it as white nationalist, they are neo nazis
>>61405047
>people also have a right to counter protest, that's how free speech works
You don't have a right to attack people speaking their views.
Imagine if Nationalists came to a gay pride parade and started stabbing and beating up Antifa members during their most important time. But lefitsts are allowed to do so, because... well they have the WRONG opinions
>>61405046
Forgetting your own posts now?
People are scared of what they don't understand.
>>61405047
>shame they didn't just bring guns to deal with them since a good bit of lead is the only cure for the plague that is their existence
Don't most of them support gun control?
It's interesting how antifa never seems to attack anyone who even has a chance of CCW
>>61405086
>It's literally not fascist to shut down fascist events, no
How is it not fascist to prevent people's free speech and peaceful organization in a public area?
You do realize that freedom of speech applies to everyone, not just people you agree with ,correct?
>>61405104
>You don't have a right to attack people speaking their views.
No, more like you have a DUTY to attack fascists wherever they pop up
>inb4 "they're not fascists! they're just white nationalists! nothing wrong with that!
This fucking website lol
Original poster by Saatchi & Saatchi, but banned.
>>61405138
>People are scared of what they don't understand.
This.
Not sure why people are scared of National-Socialism, they just don't understand it I suppose
>>61405138
Is that why people are so afraid of the nationalism bogeyman?
>>61404749
The nationstate derives its legitimacy from some lineage of people of common tongue/customs or ethnic having ancestry in its borders who are limited by the realms of other people and serves the primary interests of this core people. (Which was a revolutionary concept in contrast to feudalism and the empire.)
"White, christian european" regarded each other as completely different people in europe.
This common "white christian" identity was only forged later on (just as english being the dominating language)-but by that time they probably already brought in people from other races, before that you had catholic germans, protestant englishmen and these weird cultists from bulgaria noone wanted and they were neither one people, nor did they had a perceived claim to the land by birthright in the begining.
>>61405149
>How is it not fascist to prevent people's free speech and peaceful organization in a public area?
It's not fascist when the people you're shutting down are LITERALLY FASCISTS
>>61405112
explain this please
>>61405161
>No, more like you have a DUTY to attack fascists wherever they pop up
Aren't you being a fascist by preventing someone's freespeech? You sound like more a fascist than them desu.
I don't see white nationalists coming to gay pride parades and gay orgies and beating the antifascists up there
You mean the working class, OP?
You don't want to say it because then you'll start questioning your leftwing views
>>61404797
That's completely unrelated to your line of argument, nice try Fritz
go suck some turk dick
>>61405047
>white nationalist = nazi
Nice use of dichotomy
>Correct, who cares, people also have a right to counter protest, that's how free speech works. Want a safe space for your bigotry? Are you afraid of big mean antifa?
Bigotry is not allowing them to speak and inciting violence because they have different opinions
Too bad the police had to end up protecting antifa
How sad
>And yet they shut down the rally, and lmao if you think the antifa got beat here, they beat the living shit out of the armed white nationalists, shame they didn't just bring guns to deal with them since a good bit of lead is the only cure for the plague that is their existence
Cheering the suppression of free speech because you dont agree with it?
Get a load of this hypocrite
Your edgy reply is all you will ever be able to do.
The traditionalist showed this when they kicked in antifa's shit and the police didn't change any of them because it was considered self-defense.
Your power fantasies are just that
Fantasy
>>61405214
>Wanting to shut down fascist and white nationalist events
>You sound like more a fascist than them desu.
oh holy fuck I can't do this anymore goodbye
>>61405191
>It's not violence to beat a guy commiting violence to death.
I dunno man
>>61405198
They had this poster which depicted the remain vs leave campaign with an imposing white-brit with shaved head pointing at meek indian woman in sari.
The joke thing makes fun of that bait of ethnic conflict and dissolves the underlying message by making them both get along with each other...
>>61405286
>Wanting to shut down free speech and peaceful assembly
>Not fascist
>>61405286
>I can't even
>are you serious?
Workers of the World. UNITE
There is nothing wrong with nationalism. If you want to be a just-rape-my-shit-up country, then make your own.
>>61405277
>TFW you'll never be there in Sacramento and magdump a bunch of antifa to protect my White brothers
S-sorry I let you down
>>61405311
Thank you mein Freund
>>61405286
Check out this double think bigot
>>61405104
>Imagine if Nationalists came to a gay pride parade and started stabbing and beating up Antifa members during their most important time. But lefitsts are allowed to do so, because... well they have the WRONG opinions
Yes that's literally it
Right wingers have lower intelligence
Name a right policy that increased quality of life in your country in the past 20 years. One thing they've done right. There isn't one in America and I'm sure you can't come up with anything for Canada
When people can ONLY hurt you because their brains don't function correctly then yes the best option is kill them
>>61405455
>using logical fallacies as arguments against those who disagree with you proves you right
>>61405455
>wants to kill blacks
I guess it's true fascism was left wing.
>>61405352
There's always next time
Something is up though
They existed in the 1990s and died out.
The fact that these niggas just came back from the dead in the US after 20+ years of being deader than a doornail stinks of paid political agitators.
The extreme left is weak though. They have 0 people with military experience or real training in combat or weapons (hell, they don't even do physical training, look at them).
When they try to use physical violence against the right they're going to get BTFO every fucking time.
>a chinadian was the first /pol/tard to get triggered by this thread
lmao
>>61405506
llegou el mexicANO señores
>>61405455
>Name a right policy that increased quality of life in your country in the past 20 years
I can't because leftists have been in power for well over 40 years, consistently ruining the country
I'd like to give "right wingers" a chance but there's no legitimate right wing party
>>61404571
the dozens of russian skinhead videos of them prowling the streets for anyone who isn't a white slav?
buddhist extremist groups in burma persecuting muslims?
Sons of odin?
couple of months ago 4 belgian detectives were arrested for going in the poorer neighbourhoods of Antwerp to systematically beat up and steal from arabs and moroccans . This had been going on for months. There was an obvious nationalist sentiment behind the abuse.
How modern do you need it to be? ive got stories of my uncle's family in the 60's going in groups bashing algerians with bats and setting their hunting dogs on them(even though their ancestors had emigrated from Poland in the late 19th century
: ^)
>>61405594
Your post would matter if it had come from a real country.
>>61405493
No shit, the only people who gravitate towards the far-left are effeminate men and butch lesbians.
Any fight between even numbers of "Nationalists" and antifa without police involvement would be a clear win for the White men.
There's a reason the Aryan Brotherhood is relatively small in prison population numbers and yet they dominate
>>61405338
leftism is no longer about proletaryat and protecting the poor and middle class workers
>>61405721
Right wing = giving everyone equal rights
Left wing = putting everyone into equal positions
>>61400457
I grew up in a poor as fuck neighborhood and I dealt with them all the time.
>>61405796
Do you like them?
>>61405829
For the most part, yes.
>>61405785
At least, that's how it used to be here.
Before American politics came barging in and started funding Wilders. :^)
>>61400457
Despite leaning liberal, I have to agree with this.
I was a liberal for all of public school and college, but once I moved into the city for work, my view towards non-whites changed a lot.
>>61405785
So, rightism is about freedom of choice and individualistic human being, while leftism is about making everyone equal, whether they want it or not, crushing any opposition?
>>61405909
yes
>>61405916
Guess I'm a rightist then
>>61405648
>portugal
>the immigrant workers of Europe before people decided to bring in Muslims instead
Shouldnt you be out making bacalhau?
Lisbon is a very nice city though, would visit again
>>61405990
>the immigrant workers of Europe before people decided to bring in Muslims instead
At least we work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
When shit like this happens, no surprise the common person is gonna be pissed.
I'm a university graduate and I have Muslim friends. I even love reading about the Islamic Golden Age of the Abbasid Caliphate, but I'm not gonna kid myself to believe that "Islam is the religion of peace" and "Real Muslims are not violent people".
The US is fortunate that the Muslims that it has are usually hard-working educated types that don't want to fuck around with jihadism so they just focus on raising their families and their careers/studies. This gives US liberals a very skewed POV of Muslims. I guarantee you if these same libtards were dropped into a predominant Muslim nation; their views would be dashed.
>>61405990
what a stupid argument lol
Irish have gone all over the world to work and have been discriminated
but we still hate Nigerians because the lazy cunts come here and don't work not just because they're brown
>>61399792
Because they haven't been through a university for their compulsory brainwashing.
>>61406110
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
Don't you see? It's just a misunderstanding that is bound to occur with diversity, multiculturalism, and tolerance :^)
>>61404791
Seriously dude, I don't think you know what you're arguing for. If people feel afraid to express their views because they will be attacked, they just go underground and only speak with each other, and become even more radicalized. At this point, they start believing in conspiracy theories and feel persecuted (which they kind of are; they are attacked for their views), and decide violence is the only possible solution; the result is terrorism. Other people feel afraid to express any views that might even resemble the more extreme views of the now-terrorists, and the cycle will repeat, as these former moderates now become radicalized.
This is part of why freedom of speech is so important. I'm staunch leftist, but antifas disgust me (the ones who are violent or use threats anyways); you have no right to consider yourself a liberal if you think attacking, or even killing, people who peacefully and lawfully express their views, no matter how distasteful they might be.
>>61406254
Have you seen the reaction to the Brit who was there and tried to kill Trump? He was praised for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQYuAMDx7OA
>>61406240
What baffles me is that the authorities KNEW this shit was going on, but didn't want to be seen as "racist" by pursuing it.
I've dealt with bigoted cops before, but don't fucking cry fire when there's no smoke.
>>61406342
I think Trump is a douchewad, but it's disturbing that a foreigner trying to assassinate a Presidential candidate is being cheered.
>>61406353
this is... wow
>>61400457
Then why do only poor whites hate Jews?
>>61406565
I've never met a Muslim who doesn't dislike Jews
they're raised to hate them as much as nazis are
>>61406646
Except this is glossed over and ignored by liberals in the West. A lot of anti-Semitism in Europe actually comes from Muslim residents.
>>61399792
nice generalization
Why is communism so attractive to the poor and uneducated?
see, it's easy
>>61406646
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/9008.htm
>Article In Radical Islamist Pro-AKP Turkish Daily: Gorillas, Chimps Are Cursed, Mutated Jews
kek
>>61406342
Yeah, shit like that is nuts; the problem is that 1) people are so caught up in the idea that their moral views are right that they forget that freedom of speech is the only thing that makes those views possible (just imagine saying you were a communist back in 1952) and 2) a lot of people on the left think censorship is a right wing thing, since they remember the Reagan years (and a lot of the 90s too) when the most prominent censors were religious groups and gay people were sometimes attacked just for being gay.
>>61406769
I'm utterly convinced the far left and the far right each want a one-party state. For fuck's sake people, having 2 opposition parties is what technically differentiates a free state from a totaltarian regime.
Because the poor are the ones that have to deal with immigrants shitting their neighborhoods.
>>61406646
Sorry I mean among white Anti-Semites, how come they're all poor?
>>61406853
I'm disturbed by the new meme going around, "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences for that speech! It's not a free speech issue if it's not the government preventing you from speaking." People are conflating the First Amendment with the concept of free speech; the latter meanswer you shouldn't feel afraid of retaliation before expressing your views, not just government censorship.
>>61406991
Because to be rich you have to interact with the jew. If you had tendencies toward not liking the Jews because they control everything you would be blasted with negative publicity right away and everyone would question you if you were a "ra cistern nazi bastard" if you just state your opinion even with showing facts. Cognitive dissonance is real and most of it stems from the sjw factories we call universties and the Jews spreading propaganda across all forms of media and making it the norm.
Now you can't be "educated" without knowing the nazis are bad and that racism is wrong and that whites suppressed minorities and whatever other propaganda against the majority they can come up with.
>>61407002
And it's like people have a hard time interpreting the US Constitution even though it is very clear.
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
First Amendment
>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Second Amendment
And so on.
>>61407002
This
You can't express nationalistic views without everyone yelling racist or bigoted or nazi or whatever.
>>61407002
>the latter meanswer you shouldn't feel afraid of retaliation before expressing your views
That's not the definition at all. And it's not new. It's been the basis for what defines "free speech" in the US since the beginning.
Any other alternative suppresses disagreement.
Unless you'd like to legislate away argument.
>>61407209
Yeah, I don't agree with the views of this TWP group that got attacked, but they peacefully assembled, got a permit, etc. A lot more than can be said for the antifas; I've scarcely seen any of their "counter protests" that weren't violent or directly intimidating. It's just empty Stalinist tactics.
>>61399792
not ALL the poor and uneducated, just the segment of that demographic that are simple minded and very often sexually confused or dysfunctional in some way.
What destroys a gang of urban men who fight and play dress-ups is the eventual loss of senior members to women. Unless there's truckloads of money to keep you in the scene, like there is with biker gangs or organised crime, the idea of hanging out with a bunch of fuckwits gets old when you could stay home and watch TV, eat some food and fuck a nice girl.
So the die-hard ones past their mid-20s are closet faggots, serious premature ejaculators or mental/emotional trainwrecks who derive their sense of self from the hateful violent cosplay life.
ISIS is pretty much exactly this, except more concentrated and extreme. None of the white boys in OP pic are going to sadistically murder many of their enemies, when push comes to shove they have the option of a comfortable life. There's millions of Middle Eastern shitheels who think of nothing all day but killing and death, they despise women because they know deep down that women's influence is to create homes and order, while they want chaos and gore.
>>61406163
Pro tip: the stereotype of immigrant workers refusing to work is ubiquitous , no matter where you go.
No matter how hard the Italian immigrants worked in Belgium they're called lazy.
No matter how much the Portuguese worked in France, they are still mocked and stereotyped for being lazy cunts
the same way you're calling nigerians lazy good for nothing leeches
let's be honest : you're deluding yourself if you think sloth is limited to the foreign immigrants ( read non whites) It's everywhere.
I have some anecdotal evidence for what it's worth. Council workers here in my city are for the most part white and are the laziest sods i've ever come across. Like: taking an entire day to deweed a roundabout kind of lazy. Same with the train workers who are for the most part white. Neighbours who moved in two houses from me are a white trash couple living off benefits and blasting their shit techno music until 6 am and generally being abrasive confrontational twats. Thank fuck they're gone now.
Psychiatric hospital my gf works at is filled to the brim with (white) people who are leeching off the system, aren't even mentally ill yet still get pensions.
The stories she tells me of them blackmailing and fucking other patients with actual problems, throwing abuse at nurses for doing their job , it's pretty much a daily occurrence for her. and as an added bonus, they're all laughably jingoistic
By contrast the immigrants where I live are for the most part hard working and keep to themselves.
Now, does that mean I'll stereotype all white working class as being white trash or all immigrants as good boys dindu nuffin?of course not.
Yet you are
>>61407206
Rich people are always keen to keep their reputation amongst the general population. I'm sure there are more wealthy and educated people who don't like jews, they just are afraid of the backlash because the public has been indoctrinated against that view now.
>>61407284
>Free Speech like everything else, should be limited by common sense.
>"You can't legislate for common sense!"
>Nazi psychopath: "Checkmate, civilized people."
I don't want my ability to express myself freely to be warped by savage fuckwits that have historically shown that when given any room they never, ever stop.
>>61407299
There's a difference between argument or not associating with someone because of their views and "private citizens will harass you or try to make it impossible to earn a living if you say the wrong thing", just like there's a difference between the moral/ethical definition of free speech (there's a good Voltaire quote) and the legal definition.
>>61407493
What you ask for goes against the US Constitution so it should not apply to the USA.
>>61407493
You mean those cultural marxists?
>>61406110
>>61406418
t. ibrahim ibn muhammad al-faisal
>>61407595
I mean any radicals.
>>61407572
...where common sense is an utterly baffling puzzle, unlike most other places where it is expected of children?
>>61407557
>private citizens will harass you
There are laws against that. If anyone harasses you, call the police.
>or try to make it impossible to earn a living if you say the wrong thing
You want to force a business owner to hire someone who they think is a terrible person?
While there are certain areas where we do something similar (for example, religion, or sexuality), we get really fidgety around removing agency. It's a bit of a grey area, and it's all down to the details of why you got fired, what your contract was, etc.
Suffice to say, in general telling people they can't disagree with you is removing their freedom of speech, which is quite unethical. When it comes to jobs it's a bit more murky.
>>61406110
>if these same libtards were dropped into a predominant Muslim nation; their views would be dashed
True. Not one serious Arabic University yet. Very few Christian churches. Many places where it's legal or not criminal to wreck Christians in every way from discrimination right up to murder in the street.
From North Africa right across to SE Asia, there's Muslims who will slap their shit.
>>61407799
Again, you're conflating legal definitions with moral ones. Also, wouldn't you be concerned if you were, say, a pro-choice proponent in the South, and some people called your employer and demanded that you be fired or they would be boycotting the store? If you're the employer, wouldn't you just fire the pro-choice person and save yourself the trouble? We don't usually grant rights of freedom of association to businesses the way we do to private citizens.
>>61407799
You're right, though, saying people aren't allowed to disagree is immoral.
>>61407493
>>Free Speech like everything else, should be limited by common sense.
The entire point of Free speech is to protect unpopular speech.
If you're only allowed to say what's popular then by that logic North Korea and Communist China have and always will have Free Speech
>>61407206
>sjw factories we call universties
That's funny. What I actually encountered in my country looking at top high school unofficial election polls done per school is that:
-Schools that perform worse and generally keep less intelligent/educated people since to get in a ,school you need to get good grades in mid school, preferred right wing reactionaries party archetype that were popular at the time in the country
-School dominating in humanities in the city preferred the liberal party archetype and fucking hated right wing
-School dominating in STEM was very in favor of the liberal party archetype with right wings reactionaries gaining like 10-15% support compared to like 2 liberal archetype parties rocking at around 20% and more
It was done in 2015 when right wing reactionary type actually won the election with majority (PIS).
You could probably call me out on left/right archetype stuff but PIS is definitely the nationalistic party.
The supposedly more intelligent people should actually be harder to brainwash. You could probably argue humanities school as being worthless but the STEM one is impossible to argue with since it's just about stuff like math/physics/biology/chemy
>>61399792
because it gives simple answers to simple minds.
also tribalism is stronger in uneducated areas.
now add a dash of scapegoating other people for your own miserable life, and bam you got Nationalism.
>>61408153
>Germany
>against national pride and free speech
Like pottery.
>>61407971
>you're conflating legal definitions with moral ones
What is the "moral" definition?
>some people called your employer and demanded that you be fired or they would be boycotting the store?
That's their choice to not shop there, if they so desire.
There are laws in place to protect employees from undue firings. If someone did nothing "wrong" and gets fired, that's probably a lawsuit. Of course, the business owner is well within his right to hold the employee under a microscope.
>>61402775
>I'm from /b/
>>61408075
I should probably add it was just schools from one city since that's where I went.
>>61408183
>Portugal
>defends stupidity and excuses made by poorfags
writes itself.
some day you will wake up and realize none of your believes are your own.
you are just copypasting what somebody else has written for you.
now please reply with more tears.
>>61408239
>you are just copypasting what somebody else has written for you
Exactly, Hans. So why do you keep doing it?
>>61400363
Well said.
>>61404366
>not being about to distinguish between editorials and hard news
kek
WTF I hate Krauts now!
>>61408184
The moral definition is rougher than the legal one, but it's what I said above that you shouldn't fear retaliation for your expression or speech (beyond mere social ostracism) and people should be able to civilly disagree; I think the Voltaire quote is "I deeply disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."
As for your second point, employers can fire you for no reason at all under at-will employment, unless it violates antidiscrimination laws (there are a few other grounds for a wrongful termination suit, like whistle blowing). Unless you have pretty serious bargaining power, in the US odds are your employment contract will be at-will. I agree that boycotting is legal and is generally a good thing, but it definitely becomes more gray when boycotts are used to punish someone for their speech than when boycotts are used to change a business's or government's conduct, like with the Montgomery Bus Boycott.
>>61403546
This could also apply to any other sort of pride that is not pride in an accomplishment.
Racial and national pride is justified because you can take part in continuing a tradition of doing good things and promoting a healthy culture. In this way, the preservation of the tradition becomes your own handiwork, and you may share the pride of the endeavor with your countrymen or fellows of your own race. This could also be used to justify a more general pride, if you feel a common pride with all humans because of the great tradition of doing good humans may continue.
>>61402775
>I'm from /b/
go back, you underage retard
>>61402775
>i'm from /b/
>>61405191
So if two factions of fascists get into a conflict, neither of them is acting fascist? After all, the people they would be shutting down would be fascists. Also, there are left wing fascists- social corporatism, for example. Fascism just means unity of government and business to achieve national goals without externalities or transaction costs.
