If multiculturalism doesn't work how do you explain the success of this country
>>61366739
FUCK OFF YOU PIECE OF SHIT
Assimilation.
Join or die, motherfucker.
>>61366775
Wow thanks for the in depth explanation
>>61366739
advocating that one maintains their own culture while striving at the same time to become an "american"
in america the focus has always been more on "diversity" rather than "multiculturalism"
>>61366739
yeah they only took influences from western society, that's why.
>>61366739
>school shootings
>gay shootings
>9/11
>BUILD THE WALL
>every ethnicity acts different from the rest
>ethnic ghettos everywhere
>Spanish dominating the USA
>high murder rate despite having one of the biggest police forces and the largest economy of the world
it creates a shit load of tension which in your country can only be solved by a literal police state m8
>>61366790
This. The US works so well by making immigrants give up their cultures and languages.
>>61366844
CHI
>>61366790
>>61366827
Yeah these 2bh
People come to America (usually) to be good Americans. "Multiculturalism" isn't really pushed here. There's a difference between being respectful of peoples' backgrounds and cucking yourself into oblivion
>>61366844
More like we integrate parts of their culture into our culture. The Romans understood the value of this 2000 years ago.
US is monocultural you dumbass.
The USA was never multicultural, it always forced Anglicisation upon each new group of migrants from Europe and inevitably stamped out all meaningful expressions of their cultures. They kept their last names, their food, and a bit of music, but eventually they became Anglo in every way that really mattered.
All of this was lost however once mass immigration from Beaner America started in the 60s and Marxists began to consolidate power in academia. Now it's just a fractured, muddled mess of people who don't give a fuck about each other.
>>61366739
Historically the US has never been multicultural, it always stressed assimilation.
>>61366739
We're rich.
The only difference between multiculturalism and diversity is that the latter is too rich to care about their immigrant heritage being melted down. Consumerism heals all wounds as long as you have the dosh.
we are so not multicultural
don't kid yourself
the multicultural rebranding is sapping our national invigoration
The spirit of capitalism, agreement on the value of "freedom" and assimilation
People assimilate into American culture, that is not multiculturalism.
>>61366739
>If multiculturalism doesn't work how do you explain the success of this country
its success is predicated on the fact that there has always been a dominant european culture over all other cultures/people within it
>>61366844
Our mixed population has created so many zesty combinations of flavors though.
>europeans from a cold grey island adopt the traditions of pacific islanders to become surfer dudes on the balmy shores of california
>western and eastern musical traditions meet to form country, blues, jazz and rock
>wonderful melting pots like new york and new orleans exist
God bless the United States of America.
>>61366968
it should not go any other way
>>61366989
I get so disappointed when people (SJWs I guess, I hate using that term) undermine that kind of thing; it's always one culture "stealing" from or "overtaking" another. Not everything is done in malice or hatred. :(
>>61366873
the roman empire was violently torn apart though
>>61366989
There's nothing unique about big cities with lots of different races, pretty much every major city is like this.
Also every country has regional differences, I don't why so many Americans think their unique in this regard.
if american culture is literally individualism, FREEDOM and capitalism, how can immigrants assimilate into the american collective thought if their culture is the negation of it?
>>61366842
A semi-shitty area in LA is like a nice area in Rio. Your point about Spanish speaking is lame because those area have always been Mexican.
>>61367023
I agree. This is the path Ireland has taken with our foreigns. Hopefully the 2nd generation don't turn out to be maniacs.
>>61367078
We are actually way more collectivist and nationalist than most people think, most of us aren't IRL Gordon Geckos.
>>61367080
>A semi-shitty area in LA is like a nice area in Rio.
You sure shown me how right you are with this phrase, omg how could I even doubt the strenght of the american culture
>>61367025
If they had nuclear weapons they'd still be running the world, we're betting that in a reality where meaningful violent opposition results in the destruction of mankind, we won't be violently torn apart.
>>61367078
Something like this. These are Iranians.
>>61366739
We are not multicultural, we are multi-ethnic
>>61367047
because americans, for the most part, know quite little about other countries because not only is their country quite big (both literally and in terms of relevance/population size), but also because they're comparatively far away from almost every country except canada and mexico. they simply don't have to care, so they don't.
there's also the >american education thing, which is somewhat but not wholly accurate for why this is a thing.
also the whole thing with american exceptionalism and the "we are the best" mentality, which is largely due to strong patriotism and the first point i made earlier.
the roof of my mouth hurts lads
>>61367023
This. Multiculturalism is garbage. There is no need to have a schism among your people.
>>61367097
>collectivist
>with no universal healthcare, no free university
>actually supports billionaires fucking you guys over a strong government and regulamentation of the economy
>>61367119
I wouldn't even say multiethnic, just multiracial. All old world ethnicities just blend into "white" "black" and "Asian" groups.
>>61367114
weren't they supposed to be "americans" with other "americans" if this was true? And weren't they supposed to be with other people of other ethnicities if they were integrated?
>>61367160
I don't see any problem here. We have a collectivist mindset and culture, not laws.
>>61367114
>persian shore
kek
>>61367078
Our culture is that you can do whatever the fuck you want if you can afford it.
See: Trump
We offer a protestant work ethic if you need help getting there.
>>61367166
and natives stopped existing altogether.
>>61367183
that's bullshit, individualism is the name of the american game. pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps and making a name for yourself from hard work and not some form of birthright is the core of the american dream.
>>61367183
so you guys are so collectivists that you guys elect only guys that fuck over the things you value the most?
>>61366739
Murica might be an economically successful country but as a society you're a failure, you're literally the most violent developed country in the world
>>61367201
yes exactly, a guy that is a billionaire can literally build a wall, or do everything he wants because he is entitled to do so, because he is better than the rest therefore entitled to do it, because he worked to get there. Even if it this "everything you want" means fucking everyone else to get more power to do even more "everything you want" or even subverting every culture or every collective, family values, the government to get more power towards you. That is why you guys are individualists, because you guys support this thought, meanwhile most catholic countries would support a strong government instead and would limit the power of those individuals
>>61367204
Collectivism =/= welfare niggerdom
Most Anericans are fanatically patriotic. I know even absolute libcucks who hang an American flag in front of their house, family values and our military are practically worshipped, we have a strong sense of group identity. That is NOT individualism.
>>61367111
they fell because of too much integration of bordering cultures
read the decline and fall of the roman empire
>>61367302
>we have a strong sense of group identity
Hence the national health care schemes that have been in place for a century or more.
>>61367289
Building of that wall was already approved by Congress in 06, they just didn't follow up on it for some reason. I have no idea why all of a sudden everyone is chimping out about Trump as if the wall is a completely outrageous and radical idea.
>>61367302
Collectivism =/= Patriotism
m8, collectivism implies in realizing that every individual is equal and therefore entitled to the same things as everyone else. Just like most nordic countries
>>61367346
not saying bad things about Trump m8, he is literally the personification of your culture m8, it was just an example
>>61367348
>collectivism = egalitarianism
Big fucking no.
>>61366739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dBbZFXr05U
>>61366739
>90% if not more of the population came from Europe, a place where culture is nearly identical in every country, except for very minor deviances
>>61367387
>Collectivism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that emphasizes the significance of groups—their identities, goals, rights, outcomes, etc.—and tends to analyze issues in those terms. Collectivism is a basic cultural element that exists as the reverse of individualism (in the same way high context culture exists as the reverse of low context culture), and in some cases stresses the priority of group goals over individual goals and the importance of cohesion within social groups (such as an ingroup, in whichever specific context it is defined).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism
>>61367370
Trump is a literal mid 90s meme coming to life.
Don't get me wrong, I'm actually voting for him, but if anyone told me 5 years ago that Donald fucking Trump will be our president I'd think he's norderlune insane.
>>61367412
Yes and? That doesn't support your position.
>>61367387
col•lec•tiv•ism (kəˈlɛk təˌvJz əm)
n.
the socialist principle of control by the people collectively, or the state, of all means of production or economic activity.
m8
>>61367444
>Collectivism is a basic cultural element that exists as the reverse of individualism
>Collectivism can be divided into horizontal collectivism and vertical collectivism. Horizontal collectivism stresses collective decision-making among relatively equal individuals, and is thus usually based on decentralization. Vertical collectivism is based on hierarchical structures of power and on moral and cultural conformity, and is therefore based on centralization. A cooperative enterprise would be an example of horizontal collectivism, whereas a military hierarchy would be an example of vertical collectivism.
If even your own countrymen don't agree with you, why should we?
![13-venice-canals[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4QtPdid.jpg "13-venice-canals[1].jpg")
American culture is LA/NYC - the rest of it is of little importance.
>>61366739
slavery
>>61367576
Hey, I've been on that bridge. It's a very swanky neighborhood.
Why do third world Brazilians feel need to jump into these types of threads?
>>61367686
because fuck you that's why
>>61367686
Brazil is whiter desu
>>61366739
Not really multicultural.
It's mostly white people. (or was, up until recently)
>>61367709
>all white people have the same culture
Everyone assimilates in Europe just fucking fine.
They speak European languages because of the 3 generation language loss effect.
Most of them lose their religion with time. No one in Europe is Christian or Jewish they just vaguely celebrate holidays and European Muslims don't give a shit anymore than American Muslims. It's not fucking ISIS it's kids smoking weed and listening to pop music the only difference is they're brown.
That is all that Europeans care about. They are so intolerant of difference there's constant meme succession movements everywhere and they spent 1000 years at war until Roosevelt came up with the EU, like a dad telling the kids in the back of the car to stop fucking bickering.
Immigrants to Europe are perfectly assimilated but it doesn't matter. A person who is 100% exactly like you in every way except has darker skin still deserves to die due to the broken European mindset. That's why the US runs the world and not those idiots.
>>61367796
>Everyone assimilates in Europe just fucking fine.
>>61367796
>Everyone assimilates in Europe just fucking fine.
>>61367796
>Everyone assimilates in Europe just fucking fine.
>>61367796
>Everyone assimilates in Europe just fucking fine
>>61367796
>"Belgian" ""nationals"" keep getting busted for terrorist plots on the regular
>>61367825
>>61367876
>>61367903
grow out of memes already
they are only met with hostility due to the europeans natural xenophobia which is far worse than America's
>>61367950
Last time I checked Americans don't stand in airports holding up "REFUGEES WELCOME" signs.
Seriously fuck off.
>>61367990
I've seen that in Boston
quit lying quit meming
>>61368042
Proof
You're the one lying/memeing
>>61367024
Me too senpai.
>>61366739
Because by the time America became #1 in the world, niggers, women and latinos knew their place.
Now they're presidents and your next one is a old hag the one right afyer will probably be a mexican. USA influence has been falling recently due to China/Russia and will keep decline.
>>61368053
You honestly thought no one ever did this in the US?
>>61367950
I'm not sure if you're aware of this sweetheart but Europe has had a steady influx of immigrants from every asshole of the world for the past decade. They have a right to be xenophobic when thousands and thousands of refugees who are used to living in medieval times come and demand they be catered to. You're too retarded to realize it's not a meme
Simple, it has the highest quantity of white people.
Multiculturalism is just what people point to because it's slightly more acceptable than the race problem.
>>61366739
Good old days America already collapsed.
>>61367405
Woooww, Detroit, just Woooowwww 69% below average.
>>61367796
>Everyone assimilates in Europe just fucking fine.
Yeah, I guess our 60-70 % unemployment rates among North Africans and Middle Easterns is "fucking fine" assimilation
>>61366899
I've never seen it explained so well
>>61368111
> Europe has had a steady influx of immigrants from every asshole of the world for the past decade.
Maybe they shouldn't have fucked up those parts of the world then :^)
>They have a right to be xenophobic when thousands and thousands of refugees who are used to living in medieval times
Nice meme
>come and demand they be catered to.
nice meme
kids speak German/Dutch/Swedish and wear jeans and drink coke and live like Europeans
>You're too retarded to realize it's not a meme
No you just believe fake photoshopped bullshit made for underage kids on pol
See a Scot will scream at the top of his lungs that he's "not British"
Catalans will scream they're "not Spanish"
And that Balkanized mindset is why they will never believe brown people have "assimilated" well enough because in Europe if you're not from the same fucking city you are unacceptable
65% white America owns the entire fucking globe, you have no point
You literally have no-go zones for whites, race riots and niggers getting shot by the police who din du nuffin.
>>61368307
>You literally have no-go zones for whites,
No we don't
>race riots
Not for 20 years we haven't
>and niggers getting shot by the police who din du nuffin.
same as your country
>>61368329
>Not for 20 years we haven't
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6818035/70cedab0/rapper_klinkt_bekend.html
>>61368291
You are too retarded to even argue with. Your response to everything I just said was "hurr nice meme". I hope to god you're just being troll
I am Greek.
>>61368291
>come and demand they be catered to
We just had this. Refugees refused to get off from a bus as a protest because they were moved to a smaller city, and instead of giving them money for food, they were to be catered by a catering service. Earlier this year they protested having to eat porridge:D Only a minority of our immigrants are from Syria, though.
>>61368480
*protested against
Diversity is okay. Fuck off with that multiculturalism stuff though
>18 Trillion GDP
>19 Trillion Debt
Define success
>>61366842
>gay shootings
Implying this a bad thing
>>61366842
Spanish isn't dominating USA they Anglicize rapidly, I've met many people in their teens and twenties who are brown as fuck but only speak English
>>61368759
>got more spanish speakers than Spain and Argentina
>they sure anglicize rapidly hahahaha!
>>61368820
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/#hispanic-language
90% of US born are proficient in English
Get off the memes
>>61369001
>Note: Respondents are asked if they speak a language besides English at home. If they answer yes, they are asked how well they speak English.
>All white immigrants from Europe
>Very successful
>Women allowed the vote, immigrants from everywhere but Europe
>Not very successful
>>61366739
When my great grandparents moved here, they made their best effort to assimilate. They changed their last names to something more Anglicized. They made their best efforts to learn and speak English. They struck their older children when they spoke anything other than English. They didn't teach their their younger children the language of their ancestral homeland, so they only would know English. They celebrated American holidays and learned to enjoy American sports. They acted overtly patriotic; when they had a problem with the US government, they would talk about it in private, and conceal those grievances from their children, so that their children would grow up loving this country. They ended up being successful. Their children ended up being extremely successful. Their grandchildren are among the upper levels of the top 1%.
>>61367025
A kingdom long united must divide, a kingdom long divided must unite this is the way things have always been and always will be
>>61366739
i suppose it was a success because of the people of european descent and the people of other races who slowly forgot about their traditions and allienge to the countries they were from to fully assimilate to not do stupid shit like waving flags of other countries and make the locals so angry that they want to lynch them now than never before?
Also, you have to go back
>>61370462
>They changed their last names to something more Anglicized. They made their best efforts to learn and speak English. They struck their older children when they spoke anything other than English. They didn't teach their their younger children the language of their ancestral homeland, so they only would know English.
Wow, that's really pathetic.
>>61370462
Why aren't you successful?
>>61366989
Yeah, Taco Bell is the best thing that came out of Mexicans coming over to America
>>61367025
Thanks Christianity
>>61370462
Same, my grand parents moved here from a shithole (European) country, they made it their best to make us as American as possible. They would beat my dad with sticks if he spoke they're native language with his siblings, they would speak a very accented English to my dad, they cut ties and communication with their home country,we changed our last name to a more Anglo name. I am glad they did so, our family has worked hard all these years and we live a comfortable life. Fuck, so fucking close to living in a shithole if my grandparents stayed.
>>61366842
>> Brazilians
>> meme nation of shitskins
>> "poo-in-the-loo-Pajeets" of South America
>>61366739
It used to be multicultural, but only European cultures.
Now that Africans (non-farm equipment), Asians, Latinos, and Semites are shitting it up with their piss-poor excuse of cultures, the country is going down the drain.
Go figure, eh?
>>61371290
>fleeing some rathole of a country
>enter a successful one
>retain your shitty culture, shitty language, shitty outlook, and shitty values
No, that would be pathetic.
>>61372266
But Asians and Semites have higher IQ's than whites.
>>61372394
>IQ=culture
Yeah I sure want to live under a Chinese government where I can disappear to a political prisoner camp tomorrow, or live in Saudi Arabia where I can throw gays off buildings.
>>61372491
I implied IQ>culture
>where I can disappear to a political prisoner camp tomorrow
It's for the better of the country and the nation is kept healthy.
One person means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Fuck off, lad.
>>61372394
Because chinese cheat and Japs work hard, north korea has the lowest average IQ explain that.
>>61366739
>getting shot and raped because he stopped in the wrong "hood"
>having your garden worked on by brown people who can't even speak the same language you do
>not sharing blood with other citizens
>"""""success"""""
>>61371322
Affluenza NEET
>>61372379
this.
it's the main reason I'm against massive amounts of mexican immigration. I'm not blue collar, so I benefit from more cheap labor. However, their children keep voting for policies that will remake the US in the image of the country that they risked their lives to flee from.
High population and assimilation. ASSIMILATION.
Further, everyone makes fun of us for having shitty healthcare and public infrastructure and such. If this country was truly culturally homogenous, nobody at all would be complaining about increased social safety net programs. People are partial to their own- it's more natural to want to care for a neighbor than a stranger.
>>61374138
Sounds like Slavland only less Genocide and alcoholism
>>61366739
Japan money
You had racial segregation from the point of your creation to the point you became a super power
>>61367218
>>61367289
ITT: butthurt mudskins from South American shitholes
P.S. - Argentina is a failed state
>>61376520
Not at all. I'd rather live in a commie block in Russia than in USA tbqh.
>>61366739
>success
DE-LU-SION
usa is like a 3rd world shithole if you think about it
ghettos, murders everywhere, absurd black market of guns, drugs consumption at high levels, stupid average citiziens, no culture, food is shite, etc etc
relevant only because of 300+ million people.
Take a state with, let's say 60 million people, they would be an irrelevant shithole (full of annoying retarded fatlards, may I add).
Usa is overrate dogshite, that's it, fact, if you don't believe me you're a delusional ameritard.
Keep choking on burgers and shooting guns, ameripledges.
>>61376795
lol
>>61366739
America has never been multicultural, and the concept of multiculturalism is extremely dangerous to the United States.
>>61367407
60%
>>61376795
You say that as if Europe doesn't have those same things, just less pronounced because your media doesn't report on them.
>>61367218
"Most Violent developed country" is still far less violent than Argentina or any Latin American cunt m8.
>>61376765
Russia is literally 3 times as dangerous as the U.S. on average.
>>61366739
Because it's not multiculturalism you dumbfuck.
You get assimilated/brainwashed.
As soon as the second gen pops, they're just "American"
The "heritage" shit is a result of that, a search for uniqueness because being American is bland as fuck, as it should be.
>>61379987
Europoors are brainwashed by their media to believe that everything outside of Europe is a violent, uncultured hellhole. Which is hypocritical considering that you can find plenty of shitty poor areas in many Western European cunts
white men were there to supervise the laying of the foundations
now they are there to supervise black men railing their wives
stupid cucks
>>61376795
>Success is only what I define it as
I could say Italy is a dirty, poor, corrupt, mafia run oligarchal state and I'd be right. But I know better.
>>61366739
It was 80-90% white 1850-1970.
multiculturalism of european cultures =/= multiculturalism of european and non-european cultures
>>61380262
What's this? The poorest of Italians is poorer than the poorest of Americans? But the U.S. is dogshit, Reddit told me so!
>>61380274
Congratulations on grouping together half of the European continent into one big fat "white", you brainwashed moron.
>>61380417
Are you telling me the elite of America were not almost exclusively WASP and Northern European into the 1970's?
I can tell you that Europeans are far closer culturally than Europeans and pakistani Muslims.
>>61366739
>success
>every ethnicity hates each other
Multiculturalism only works if assimilation actually works.
>>61366739
All immigrants were whites and christians, this isn't multiculturalism.
>>61372029
Brazil is shit and you ain't doing any better on that part tbqh
>>61380928
Brazil and the U.S. are like night and day in terms of living standards for the average person
>>61380895
Also, now your muslim immigrants are already stoning christians and committing attacks against gays,
Your country is a muslim a shit hole, congratulation!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKKRyoVpfGQ
Is this a "Europeans pretend they're perfect while demonizing the U.S." thread?
>>61381009
How about the "random" violence and crime?
>>61381130
Nobody is perfect but denying facts is just retarded.
>>61381240
France and Belgium have had their fair share of random violence recently. Don't see anyone claiming they're failed states.
>>61381045
But all you said also is a problem in france.
>>61381287
Making up facts to suit an agenda is even more retarded.
The U.S. isn't prefect in the least, it has quite a few problems, none of those make it not successful for the vast majority of its inhabitants.
>>61367796
you just went full retard
>>61366739
That seems pretty obvious
It's the whites
>>61381387
I haven't made up any facts. Just saying you got a problem and must admit it. But americans rarely do, they just start chanting USA USA like bunch of dildos.
>>61367950
Wait, so you be sayin Europeans should accept millions of non-native military aged invaders and not give any resistance n shit because of the bullshit American ideas of globalism and equality?? Damn son, really makes you think.
>>61381707
dont even bother...>>61367796
>>61379410
It didn't start out that way, is the point. We were a nation of largely European immigrants up until the 70's
We have a lot of empty space for ghettos.
>>61367796
pic related would be the kind of refugees I want, instead we got achmed and muhamed.... ffs
>>61367796
>Immigrants to Europe are perfectly assimilated but it doesn't matter.
let me tell you about your countries
>>61366739
If multiculturalism work how do you explain the failure of this continent?
>>61381770
>WE WUZ WASP GERMANIC AN SHIET
>tfw when you are not american
I want to experience the American culture
>>61366739
Indians weren't integrated. Blacks are still in the process of being integrated. Japanese americans have been shat on since WWII, native hawaiians are a minority in their own islands, latinos are second class citizens etc.
>>61385289
american intervention by way of engineering violent coups d’états installing fascist dictatorships if they smelled even left-wing governments, let alone communist
>>61370462
Go back to the third world hell hole you belong in, faggot.
>>61385988
> Japanese americans have been shat on since WWII
The Japs were put into camps because majority of them were second or third gen, so their loyaltites were questionable. Their werent mass excutions and after the war they went right back to their daily lives.
>latinos are second class citizens
No, they aren't. They pretty much own the Southwest
>>61366989
>western and eastern musical traditions meet to form country, blues, jazz and rock
by eastern do you mean west african or is there some major asian influence on these genre's that I was unaware of
>>61367024
This. I see why they're mad about people doing shit like literal blackface, but honestly adopting stuff from other cultures is good and promotes tolerance and mutual understanding.
One time an SJW started lecturing me when I mentioned I cooked caldo verde. That's a soup from Portugal. You should have seen the look on her face when I mentioned Portugal is in Europe and the Portuguese are white.
>>61366739
because america was built on it other nations weren't
>>61391031
>and the Portuguese are white.
pfffft.
but yeah, a lot of them also seem to think that spanish was created in latin america or something? it's very strange. and either way, wouldn't that mean that chinese can't use cars and natives can't use the internet, meanwhile white people can't use the compass or gunpowder. it's really stupid and you'd have to learn where everything comes from in order to use it if you wanted to subscribe to this weird ideology.
>>61373886
>north korea has the lowest average IQ explain that.
malnutrition
>>61366842
kek this
This country was heavily segregated until recently, and now self segregation continues.
>>61369001
10% of US born aren't proficient in English?! That's a fucking crazy amount.
It "works" because everyone is depressed and puts on fake smiles.
>>61392650
kek
>>61366790
The thread ended here. How come there's 180+ posts still?
>>61392650
I blame muh big pharma
Oh, your kid is feeling down? Let me give him this pill where one of the side effects is thoughts of suicide
>>61366739
>how do you explain the success of this country
Because we don't practice multiculturalism in the US
>>61395904
>Oh, your husband is having abdominal pains? Let's give him a pill where one of the side effects is irreversible damage to the small intestine
>He'll feel better though!
>>61366842
Ha, he believes the memes. This is a pretty good country desu.
>>61366739
I singapoor stand with USA and mutlikulture.
Factchecked.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl9HMSTHeTg
>>61366739
Literally Germans building infrastructure/industry and feeding the Irish who worked in it.
>>61366739
How many native Americans have you met today?
