Which ones do you speak other than English, and why? Extra points if Amerifat/Britbong, for caring.
>Spanish, duh
>French
>German
>currently learning Arabic
[spoiler]اله اكبار[/spoiler]
I am a massive sperglord and had no friends as a teen. Also lived in a diplomatic city so access to classes was easy.
>>61295323
I am an american learning Ukrainian(and hopefully some russian after that.)
I took french in middle school and just never really got into it, I'm going to ukraine next year for a few weeks on a solo trip and plan to spend time in rural areas at some point or another.
>>61295323
>Catalan. Mother-tongue
>Spanish. Second language. It's the country's language, as everybody knows.
>Learning Norwegian
>>61295323
>French
>I also learned v small amounts of tons of other languages
>currently trying to learn pretty much every language
>currently dying
Korean because of family and slightly passable French and Spanish
>>61300302
>Korean because of family
Hmm another diaspora lel. You live in New Malden or so?
>>61300415
No Newcastle I'm mixed and my English family is from here
>>61295323
>[spoiler]اله اكبار[/spoiler]
Let me guess, first day? You couldn't at least imitate the couple hundred 'Allahu Akbar's that people throw now and then on /int/?
Well, best of luck.
>>61300510
Oh just wanted to check if you are one of those Koreans that went the UK in 90's and settled in New Malden to live in a subrub of London and so.
>mfw I actually saw a few Koreans with UK passport and all of them lived in New Malden and all graduated from either Imperial or LSE
Britbong learn currently learning french because my french gf dragged me here
German (native, Lower German dialect)
English
Spanish (Mexican dialect)
Learning: Croatian because muh heritage
>>61295323
Born in America, raised by immigrant German grandmother. Spoke German at home (low Saxon dialect)
Learned English in school. I remember that I couldn't understand people but I could read.
Learned Japanese when I lived there doing construction work.
Learned Russian to read Russian scifi books.
Learning Spanish currently because I live in California now. Helps doing charity work when you can speak to people.
>>61300762
>learns spanish
>Mexican dialect
Why in the goddam fucking hell in the twat of the Queen of England would you do that?
>>61301043
Because my future waifu lives there. Also, why not?
Galician, Spanish, English, Portuguese
Gonna start learning Catalan and Dutch next year.
>>61295323
I speak some Swedish. Still learning favä
Finnish
That and English is all I need tBh fAm
Lithuanian
Spanish
Russian
>>61295323
>Portuguese
Obviously
>French
Because of work
>Spanish
Same as above.
>>61301043
Are there any sensible differences apart from the vosostros/ustedes use and the obvious accent though?
>>61295323
>currently learning Arabic
Good to see Mexicans going back to their roots.
>>61301135
Imagine that I wanted to learn German, and that instead of learning from German people, I learnt from turks or rapefugees. That's why.
>>61301191
>CATALAN MENTIONED :DD
Any particular reason for learning Catalan?
>>61301436
The accent is horrible, and the pronunciation itself is horrendous. The prosody is subhuman.
>>61301043
I'm specifically learning Castilian Spanish because it upsets the Mexican Spanish speakers.
I watched some coworkers bully an El Salvadorian women for her accent. I walked up and joined the conversation and steered it to the few words I knew were different. When I said gafas instead of lentes, or coche instead of carro I watched the confusion, then they try and correct me, then I correct them. Since it is proper Spanish I get away with it.
This is why Mexicans shouldn't bully my little El Salvadorian coworker.
Mother tongue, Bulgarian.
Can understand Russian and Serbian almost 100%, speaking them will can come with a couple of month's practice.
Some basic German.
Welsh, possibly the most useless language I could've learned.
>>61301436
>>61301491
>>61301445
Spanish in the South of Spain is not much better than there, to be fair and give complete information.
"Proper" Spanish is spoken mostly in Castille. In the North (including Catalonia, my land) we have influences of our own languages, but I think we still speak quite well, despite that.
>>61295323
English and Swedish. I understand Norwegian fairly well and Danish is 50/50
>>61301524
Greatest ally.
>>61301745
Mexican Spanish accents in both English and Spanish is the worst. Spanish Spanish is the only correct one to learn.
>>61301913
Have you heard Spaniards talking in English? How do we sound like? (it can be difficult to imagine one's accent as perceived by a native)
>>61302277
really really flamboyant
>>61301043
>why would you learn the most popular version of a language
I took German in high school. I figured it would come in handy when they started WW3.
>>61302277
I haven't heard too many Spaniards speak English but what little ice heard sounds pleasant. Kind of like the French accent in some ways.
>>61302469
*I've not ice*
>>61295323
Trying to learn Finnish, but it's hard to find resources and hard to start with.
>>61295323
>>currently learning Arabic
>[spoiler]اله اكبار[/spoiler]
Disgusting
>>61302469
I see. Thank you for answering.
>>61302337
Is that a good or a bad thing?
>>61295323
>English (duh)
>Spanish (fluent because my nanny was from Guatemala)
>French (only the curse words, which I use to sound romantic for women)
>Korean (two years of high school)
>Japanese (four years of college desu ne)
>Chinese (curse words)
>Russian (taking Duolingo and online courses now blyat)
>>61302629
I think it sounds nice but wouldn't want to speak that way myself
>>61295323
French
German at A2-B1 level
Russian... eh I know Cyrillic and a few grammar rules I guess
>>61302277
You sound like gay Mexicans. All nasally and lispy, makes my skin crawl.
>>61302694
>t.pedro gutierrez
>>61302625
He'll get to enjoy nasheeds to their fullest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNWB5SWGR9Y
>>61302669
>because my nanny was from Guatemala
Richfags get >>>/out/
>>61302669
>Korean
I bet you are from CA. I cannot imagine any HS outside CA will give Korean class
>>61302277
>How do we sound like?
You lisp a lot so it makes you sound a bit gay
>>61302867
>rich
Fuck dude, I had to spend a year of college more or less living out of my car to pay for tuition. Estela was a friend of the family.
>>61302923
SoCal. I really just took it to hit on Korean qts
Russian. Studied math there for a little while.
>>61302680
haha I understand...
>>61302925
Maybe we sound to you a little bit like Germans speaking Spanish sound to us (I have some experience with them). They sound "gayish" but cute.
>three months of japanese+Korean
>2 hours for each language every day+30-40 minute review for both
>hour for anki/depends on the newer cards
>memrise when I feel like it
>2 hour review before I sleep of lessons I've done weeks or months ago along with what I studied that day.
I get maybe 7-8 hours of language study done a day.
I told myself it would only take 3-4 years but this is getting kind of tiring 2bh and I'm only a fourth of the way done for the first year.
>>61295323
Enough German to understand others speaking, but not to speak.
Some Spanish.
>>61303292
Why would you binge-learn like that ? Just set yourself goals and rewards
>>61303228
>Maybe we sound to you a little bit like Germans speaking Spanish sound to us
I'm not sure but maybe
It's not the stereotypical fairy lisp though, you just don't pronounce s right
>>61303385
I'm getting old, in my mid twenties. I put off learning these languages for about a decade since feigning interest in them.
I regret it and want to become bilingual before I hit my thirties.
>>61303525
you won't become bilingual studying some asian language by yourself. even to pick up a european language which is much easier by comparison you need to be immersed.
>>61303615
I've got relatives in Korea. I've thought about living there for a year. I figured I might try after studying for a year or two.
Then after I've lived there for a year try my hand at Japan.
>>61295323
A decent amount of Spanish
A very basic level of French. I was going to try to live in France for a while so that I can become fluent(also because I'm a francophile), but I don't know how to go about doing that
>>61303884
Just go to Québec
English, of course.
Español.
It is a long road getting used to a language that allows this.
ábreme la puerta. me duele la rodilla.
>French- I studied it for 6 years, from 8th grade to my first year in college
>Spanish- I'm starting my first spanish class next week.
If I can manage to become fluent in Spanish and remain fluent in French, I would also like to learn Portuguese or Dutch.
>>61301664
What's the difference between catalans and eh... spanish(?) people?
ITT: duolingo
>>61304003
I've always heard that the Quebecois hate foreigners
>>61304239
There are historical differences. We basically have a different origins. Ours is not "reconquested territory". Well, it is in some way, but by the Frankish Empire, not the Asturians.
And of course the language. It developed separately. Catalan is part of the Occitano-Romance languages, along with the Occitan dialects. (In fact, there was no clear distinction between Catalan and Occitan at the early middle ages). You might have heard about Occitan troubadours.
I don't know what else can I tell you. Do you have any specific question?
>>61295323
Native English
Decent German from high school (used to be better though)
Currently learning European Portuguese.
I'd like to learn Spanish, Catalan, and Basque some day.
>>61304383
Even Americans? It's probably just a "snobby French" meme
>>61295323
Romanian (obvies)
English (2nd)
Russian (3rd)
Spanish / Castilian (4th)
some Portuguese and Bulgarian
>>61304698
Which language besides your native feels the most natural to you?
>>61304782
English feels natural as fuck.. I express myself in English (almost) effortlessly.
Spanish is a close second, even though I still have some trouble with the tenses.
>>61304878
Interesting. It must be nice to know so many languages.
I need to take up a foreign language again.
>>61304440
So you have quite diffirences from Spanish. What about customs, temper and traditions? Also is there tensions between you and Spanish?
I picked up French when I was working in Castries. I am smooth with le ladies now.
>>61295323
portuguese, spanish, french, german
get on my level abdul
TL;DR: Portuguese > English > German > French > Latin > Venetian
Portuguese - nativo. Pronúncia sulista urbana, mas imito caipira numa boa.
>Native. Southern urban accent, but I can mimic a countryside Paulista just fine.
English - to be quite honest, I write this shit better than some natives. However, I won't bother with its unruly and insane pronunciation rules.
>German
Ich glaube, dass ich bin A2 oder B1 auf Deutsch, die Sprache einfach ist uezs. (,,einfach´´ = einfachere Grammatik als Latein und Schreibregeln als Englisch. [Regeln von Englisch sind blutig und lästig wie von einer Frau.])
I think I'm A2 or B1 in German, the language is easy to be honest.
("easy" = easier grammar than Latin and spelling rules than English.)
French - j'ai étudié français pendant trois semestres, mais je ne regarde pas bien la langue.
>I've studied it for three semesters, but I don't remember the language well.
>Latin
Inter unum annum lingua latina studui. Amo, sed inutilis est.
I've studied it through a year. I love it, but it's useless.
>Venetian
My grandpa and me used to chat in a Venetian-Italian-Portuguese "mix". I still can understand it partially, I remember some words (mainly swearing), but I'm illiterate regarding the language.
>Italian
I can sing Bella Ciao without accent and I spam "cazzo" when excited, does it count?
>>61305122
>It must be nice to know so many languages
honestly I never think about it. I never get to use the majority of them irl anyway
Also, I refuse to reply back in Russian to people here (there is a sizable russian-speaking minority here) so there's also an 'edgy' part to all of this :^)
>Spanish
I know enough people who speak it that's it's beneficial for me to know enough to hold a basic conversation, albeit a bit slow.
>>61305470
>Latin
that's pretty cool 2bh
>>61305470
>>Latin
>I love it, but it's useless.
We're going to bring it back inshallah
>>61305470
hmm acho que a gramática portuguesa é mais fazil de alemão.
And yes, English pronunciation is hard. Estou a aprender português europeu, and that pronunciation is had enough so I can't imagine what it was like for my tuga friends going to English. Weirdly enough, one of them has almost perfect pronunciation and spotty grammar/vocab, while the other has native speaker level grammar but sometimes odd pronunciation.
>>61305470
>>61305703
don't you guys understand/speak Spanish by default?
Or is it the 'inferiority complex' all over again?
I watched an argentine movie with PT-BR subtitles recently. The Portuguese is so predictable as compared to Esp-Argentino it hurts. You even share the same phrases, same idioms, same sentence structure. They even use 'vos' (você) as opposed to 'tú'.
>spanish (...)
>barbotuguese
>german (still learning it)
>>61305466
Try not to be so annoying
>>61305819
>don't you guys understand Spanish by default?
Written absolutely, spoken only if they speak slowly. Some accents are easier than others.
>>61305819
vos is not the same as você. você is the agglutination of the expression "vossa mercê" (literally "your mercy") which evolved via "vossa mercê" -> "vossemecê" -> "vosmecê" -> "vomecê" -> "você". it's a third person particle (like he/she/it), not a third person (you).
vos in spanish has a different origin, it comes from the second person plural translated to the second person singular.
and to answer your question we don't understand it by default but it's really easy to learn for us. my grandmother for instance doesn't understand a word, my father understands a bit, and i watched a ton of spanish cartoons when i was a kid so i understand it fairly well.
>>61305470
Why are you learning only White languages? You should pick up Basque, Arabic, some native Brazilian languages and southwestern african languages.
>>61295323
Arabic (1st language) (don't worry, I'm no allahu akbar faggot)
French (school)
Learning Indonesian then Mandarin
>>61306053
>not a third person
i meant second person there
>>61305970
it's all in good fun m8
>>61305703
>>61305737
It is a cool language, specially for Romance speakers - to understand better one's own language quirks (like the three -ão plurals, some irregular verbs, stuff like that).
But well, most interesting Latin literature is translated to the modern languages, and there isn't a proper speaking community to interact with...
>>61305768
Portuguese grammar is easier than German indeed, at least for an English speaker... but the phonology (basic sounds) is crazy.
English is the only relevant language. When we conquer the galaxy we'll do it speaking English.
>>61305768
fácil*
que instead of de. de means of, which makes no sense even in english.
>>61306053
>my grandmother for instance doesn't understand a word
yeah right
it might as well be arabic for her, right?
I didn't say 'vos' and 'você' are related. I said they sound pretty similar.
>>61305281
We are usually "less friendly". A little bit less open that Spaniards. At least that's how I feel we are.
I've always perceived a "work culture", much more than in the rest of Spain.
And in fact, we apparently have the reputation of "jewing" a lot. We are business people.
Other differences might be things like eating times. We are less tied to the stereotypical Spanish late-eating. Many of us prefer to eat earlier as in the rest of Europe.
Our sense our humor is also different, in my humble opinion. It's sometimes compared to the English one.
Tensions between Catalans and Spaniards exist. There's a very big independentist movement. I'm o.k. with spanish people as long as they respect my culture (they often do not), and I'm not an indepententist because I think it's not economically worth it.
Ironically, many of those independentists are immigrants from other parts of spain (and their descendants). Some of them do not even speak proper Catalan.
>>61305819
>don't you guys understand/speak Spanish by default?
Written Spanish: yup, it's easy as fuck.
Spoken Spanish: it depends. If the other person is aware you're a Portuguese speaker and speak sloooowly, you will get the general meaning of the sentence, but don't try to understand Spanish speakers speaking among themselves.
My ex-gf even tried to teach me the language, but I never bothered because of her. [But yeah, I regret it.]
>>61306216
it's not arabic-tier, she understands some things obviously, but you need to understand their pronunciation is so different sometimes it doesn't even sound like the same other when it is written exactly the same
>>61306270
>the same other
wtf? i need to sleep. i meant "the same word"
>>61306174
Pls leave
>>61306135
How hard is it for a monolingual fuck like myself to live in Brazil?
>>61306223
our sense of humor*
>>61305470
> *j´étudiais français pendant trois semestres, mais je ne me souviens pas bien de la langue
it shows
>>61306053
Actually "vos" is part of a specific version on lat-american spanish, the one spoken by the guays and argentina.
Vosotros is the equivalent of Vós. And Usted(es) is the equivalent of Você(s).
Funnily enough it also evolved from "vuestra merced"
https://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjkv_CVl8TNAhWFCpAKHfT5Ct0QFgguMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fes.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUsted&usg=AFQjCNHinJz-JzW4-jCNQkNWJdRW_IaReA&sig2=8-YwPpl1NL_V_u2wXLewsg
>>61306223
spaniards are a bit in your face sometimes
Southern Californian here, I'm learning spanish. It's cool how often I actually use it in my home state because of the large mexican demographic
>>61306448
sim já sabia isso do usted. e em catalão eles tambem têm um equivalente, é engraçado.
>>61306343
I don't think it's feasible to live in Latin America knowing only English... except maybe in gated communities, but then you're pretty much caging yourself.
However, if you know Spanish: see >>61306259. That's what one of my German teachers did. She can't speak Portuguese for shit, but her Portuñol is quite understandable.
>>61306448
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usted
Link fucked up for whatever reason
>>61306484
Yes but I'd like the Salvadorians to leave.
>>61306174
amen
>>61306270
figure yourself out:
>my grandmother for instance doesn't understand a word
vs
>she understands some things obviously
The pronounciation is predictable.
You guys don't pronounce the 'L' in alot of words in which it is pronounced in spanish,
the *ción vs *ção thing,
lh is usually j in Spanish (velho > viejo),
tão -> tan,
mão -> mano,
são -> san etc
>>61306448
Merci mec. Sometimes I want to study the language again, but I'm afraid of biting more than I can chew, German is already time-consuming.
>>61306174
>Latin and Greek in antiquity
>cultured European languages
>Mexican/Brazilian/French and modern Greek
>languages of low IQ shitskins
It's looking like English or whatever it'll be called in 500 years will only be spoken in slum countries.
>>61306455
You mean that they make us invisible?
Are there any good resources for learning European Spanish? Everything seems geared towards the South American dialects
Auch mag ich Deutsch viel. Leider haben sie Hahnreie werden
>>61306500
É mais engraçado ainda quando tu te apercebes que eles preferem usar o Usted também para situações informais, assim como nós fazemos com o você
>>61306536
bruh people understand things in the context of what's happening. my grandmother is not a very literate woman, obviously. she learned how to read and write only at the age of 18. she understands spanish merely out of the context of how people talk to her. and even if you point similarities out it really doesn't matter much, because most people won't make the association automatically. also spaniards tend to speak reaaaal fast so you can't understand much anyway even if you know how to speak the basics like i do.
>>61306705
no no, i mean spaniards are a bit too friendly sometimes, at least compared with the portuguese. i haven't met many catalans but it feels like you are more serious and not so much "HOLAAA QUE TAL CHICOS"
>>61295323
Latin
German
No reason to learn anything more
>>61306716
formais queres dizer, não?
>>61306898
english to speak with the plebeians
>>61306862
Oh, I see, I'm sorry.
Yes, I agree. They are a lil bitt annoying.
Something I forgot to say: Spaniards are much louder than us.
>>61306662
you've gotta be joking
English will actually become the sole major language spoken on this planet in 500 yrs.
Everyone is learning it.
And it is everywhere and it is easy to learn.
And it's fashionable and you can argue that it has no real national basis, as russian scum, for example, would claim that English is taught in their schools not because of the fact that USA won the cultural war, but because of the 'British Empire' and its cultural legacy or some bullshit 'ze language of programmers and engineers' mumbo-jumbo.
>>61306713
If you want to speak like Spaniards it's easier to just learn Mexican Spanish and speak like a homosexual. If you're talking over skype or the phone Spaniards will think you're a native.
>>61307058
t. Chicano.
>>61306713
Pimsleur offers a course http://www.pimsleur.com/learn-spanish-castilian
I haven't tried those, so I don't know if they are good.
If you already know Spanish, you can try watching Spanish films (from Spain) or even dubbed ones.
>>61306536
There are plenty regularities like that, you can even use them to help remembering the spelling or pronunciation of certain words:
Spanish LL (llama, lluvia) = Portuguese CH (chama, chuva). [Some Argies pronounce them the same as in PT, SH-like]
Spanish L between vowels (color, solamente) = nothing in Portuguese (cor, somente)
Spanish N between vowels (vino, conejo) = either nothing or NH in Portuguese (vinho, coelho)
Spanish ending AN, ON, ANO (estan, corazón, mano) = Portuguese ÃO (estão, coração, mão)
>>61306921
Você na Europa é formal, mas a exceção de algumas partes do Brasil que preferem o tu, a maior parte das pessoas aqui você com qualquer um, inclusive membros da senpaiília. Os hispanofalantes da América do Sul fazem o mesmo com Usted.
A Espanha faz como vocês, Usted é para formalidades.
>>61306983
>Which ones do you speak other than English
Of course i can speak english
>>61307205
ah exacto.
que interessante, a evolução é mesmo 100% paralela.
>>61295323
Why are you learning Arabic?
>>61306713
>>61307170
You also have memrise courses http://www.memrise.com/courses/english/spanish/
I've tried a couple of the blued ones (Spanish 1, Spanish 2, ...) and the pronunciation seems very decent.
>>61307214
right sorry
>>61307170
Thanks Spain-bro
I want to learn Spanish because I have some Spaniard relatives and because it's so popular here but I don't want to have Mexicans rub it in my face. So fuck their dialect
>>61307283
Oh and thanks too, that's perfect. I love Memrise. I can use it with Duolingo and just ignore Duo's SA pronunciation
>>61307058
It is the most natural and easy-going accent for me. I find it difficult that in the Latinoamerican Spanish caza and casa, for instance, is pronounced the same. Surely I can figure the right word from the context, but it's infinitely easier for me to just pronounce it accordingly.
Ceceo ftw
>>61307200
>Some Argies
from what I heard, all of them pronounce it like SH
Learning Arabic, French, and German
>>61306662
delet.
>>61307460
The rapefugee starter kit
>>61307327
>>61307422
You are welcome m8. Are you partly Spaniard then? Or the opposite (Americans that came to Spain)?
(Just curious)
>>61307012
Everyone was learning Latin and Greek in antiquity. You're right that English might be the major spoken language of the future. There'll be a split of "Classic English" learned by future academics and vulgar English that's spoken by future muds.
When some country colonizes the solar system it'll probably be some Slavic or Asian country.
>>61307711
I'm a Spaniard/German hybrid. I'm from Florida and that's pretty common there
I've always wanted to learn European Spanish but the linguistics tensions with Mexico over here have made that less than ideal
>>61307243
>>61307205
Na verdade, o que usam é o "vos", o "usted" só é usado informalmente na Colômbia. Mas o desenvolvimento é paralelo tanto ao do português quanto do inglês, plural formal (vos/vossa mercê/you) deslocando singular informal (tú/tu/thou).
E lá se vai uma das palavras do Proto-Indo-Europeu...
>>61307435
Some pronounce it as usual in LatAm as Y.
>>61295323
basque
spanish
english
>>61307776
oh so you're one of those self-hating pos?
We don't live in antiquity any more.. and in the antiquity people with money, aristocrats, were the ones pursuing education in greek. Nowadays I expect even a homeless man from Belarus to know some basic English phrases.
>>61307897
Euskal nola hitz egiten den jakin nahi nuke
Does anybody know her name?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kchRzF-v29I
God she's stunning
>>61307829
>I'm from Florida and that's pretty common there
Interesting. I always thought Spanish-Americans were a very small minority.
>>61308045
Leticia Iglesias.
>>61307836
>E lá se vai uma das palavras do Proto-Indo-Europeu...
Só aqui, tu e suas variantes estão bem vivas em todas as línguas europeias de matriz latina.
>>61306223
Thanks for answers mate.
>>61308140
Yeah, they are. Florida has a fairly large community of them though due to you guys colonizing this place.
We wuz Ponce de Leon and shieet
>>61308249
danke
>>61308297
Não sei... acho possível que isso continue acontecendo com o espanhol e que, mais hora menos hora, alcance o catalão e o francês (ambos permitem vós/vous como singular formal).
E daí você tem os italiano e alemão da vida que usam a terceira do plural pra segunda singular formal, mas nesse caso acho improvável substituir.
>>61308706
ainda há as línguas eslávicas, o grego e o albanês, sem contar com as línguas da índia
>>61308480
you wuz indeed, hehehe.
>>61308809
Ah, sim, sim, não acho que a raiz vá sumir de _todas_ as indo-européias...
>>61308706
Mas isso acontecia conosco também, é possível usar vós como singular formal (tecnicamente não estaria errado). Só não o fazemos porque ele está em desuso tanto aqui quanto em Portugal.
Não podes achar que as línguas seguem uma ordem predeterminada, assim como a evolução natural, os idiomas evoluem ao acaso.
>>61295323
>>currently learning Arabic
So just learning spanish alternate alphabet
>>61309272
Determinado, não; provável, sim.
Por exemplo, você espera que /p/t/k/s/ŝ/ intervocálicos tornem-se /b/d/g/z/ẑ/ com o passar do tempo; que /h/ caia e suma; que a gramática siga um ciclo como língua inflexiva > língua isolante > língua aglutinante > língua inflexiva; e por aí vai.
De qualquer forma, vou esperar mais uns séculos pra me _preocupar_ realmente com isso...
>>61309677
com ensino estandardizado, não estou a ver nada disso acontecer durante pelo menos uns milénios.
