So after Britain leaves, who's next? France? Greece? Holland?
>>61053452
>who's next? France? Greece? Holland?
[spoiler]Sweden[/spoiler]
no but maybe Poland
>>61053452
Netherlands? I think they were talking about it.
France is making threats against the UK, so I think they will stay and Greece won't leave with their current state unless they stop benefiting from it. They were almost kicked out but wanted to stay in.
>>61053566
getting out would be preferable to getting mohammeded - once they're in they can't be removed
and it's not like you can ship our roads and buildings build with eu monies back to germany :^)
>>61053452
>France
Only if Marine Le Pen is elected next years, but I think she will not
>>61053818
You'll probably get some more terror attacks before a next election. Is that what's driving people towards non-EU parties in France?
>>61053792
>and it's not like you can ship our roads and buildings build with eu monies back to germany :^)
exactly you guy have already profited from the Eu unlike Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and even Hungary which I suspect wants to stay in a while longer to collect their welfare.
Poland should get out though. seriously you have to notice how the EU is focusing on getting Poland to accept migrants and how they condemn you for throwing out the leftists controlled media
I hope i can see great notes like this again
>>61053452
I just hope Brexit is enough to brign the whole rotten thing down.
in a recent poll 70% of Swedes wanted to remain in the EU
>mfw my people are literally to cucked to leave
Brexit is my only hope
>>61053869
It's sad but it's true, if we get another terrorist attack before the end of the year, MLP have great chance to win
>>61053818
No, you stay with us.
America's main bitch can leave, I don't give a shit, but Frogland is EU territory.
>>61053890
>>61053941
Weren't you making some reforms to cut down on asylum seekers? I realize the damage is done either way since Swede lefts are a little more crazy than the ones in my country.
When is the voting takes place?
>>61053566
Poland is the biggest fan of the EU. They're also the biggest beneficiary of Union assistance. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
>>61053890
>seriously you have to notice how the EU is focusing on getting Poland to accept migrants
I know right?
just imagine EU without that plague. you know - the europe some of you where born in, that no longer exists.
with money we are spending to bring muslims and pay them to create as many muslim babies that will be undeportable since they will have our citizenship and destroy our way of life with their death cult;
we could pay for the European Space Agency to establish an independent EU colony on Mars - but noooooooo.
>>61054003
Hope too
I fucking hate the «FN»
Jean-Marie le pen, the founder of the FN have been sued shot lots of times for
Economically brevity will ruin us for a good while but I'd still rather leave just so something interesting finally happens.
Would love to watch the whole thing crumble around merkels stupid face
...I'm probably a living argument against direct democracy
>>61054014
>Weren't you making some reforms to cut down on asylum seekers?
sure but the migrants are just another nail in the coffin man.
Our streets are full of pic related.
we have easter european gangs robbing houses and literal road pirates that rob you on the highway and then go back to their slavic lands before the police can catch them.
We pay the second highest amount into the EU and we get nothing for it except migrants and eastern european criminals.
no offence to slav bros but that is literally what is happening.ö
Like I said migrants are just another nail in the coffin
>>61054157
>we could pay for the European Space Agency to establish an independent EU colony on Mars - but noooooooo.
but the muslims will save our pension system :^)
>>61053452
>believing the polls
If we vote to leave I will eat my shoes
>>61054175
Yeah, let's see how it all the european project burns just because you hate some german politician!
>XD
In all seriousness, I hope you fucking leave, cause you all are just america's official cucks, so godspeed.
>>61054175
>Economically brevity will ruin us for a good while but I'd still rather leave just so something interesting finally happens.
murica made it. you guys have even better infrastructure and international connections. you'll be fine.
Get free trade through the commonwealth
>>61054230
>but the muslims will save our pension system :^)
blowing up the kafir pensioners is not the solution
>>61054299
what do you like so much about the EU man? Seriously interested. I only see bad things from ti
>>61054230
That argument always makes me envisage the face of an aged leftist watching the news 2 generations from now which reports that the Islam Party elected by the now majority Muslim population has voted to remove all state pensions and social care funds in order to build golden minarets to honour the glory of Allan.
>>61054001
Hopefully you can get out, or the UK does leave the union which sparks massive reforms to prevent other countries from leaving and they stop trying to force migrants on unwilling countries and you all can get some proper border control going on.
>>61054183
I didn't know about that. Canada had some problems with gypsies from the EU claiming refugee status in Canada with loopholes and they came in the 1,000's every month and did similar things until the Conservatives made a "safe country" list where people can't claim refugee status from. It made the EU really butthurt and they want us to get rid of it in a trade deal we're arranging with the EU so I want to see the whole system collapse or we'll be like you.
I don't understand why countries in the EU that don't benefit are so afraid to leave and negotiate deals on their own. It would be hard at first, but you pay politicians to figure that shit out. It's their purpose.
>>61054401
funyn thing is the leftists would still defend it and find a way to blame white people
Who will pay our debts now.
>>61054299
>the European project has been disastrously executed and this wretched abomination of a glorified free trade union just stumbles from crisis to crisis. I'm surprised you don't understand how German financial policy making has properly fucked the Spanish economy. You are int the midst of the lost generation of Spain and still you think the eu is fit for purpose? Do you not see that it will take a major calamitous event like brexit to try and restart the European project with a better footing? Do you really think it's possible to improve the EU through internal reform?
If so I admire your optimism but I don't share it.
>>61054425
>Conservatives made a "safe country" list where people can't claim refugee status from
we need that so bad in the EU. Would literally solve the problem of Afghans and Nort Africans flooding in and claiming refugee status.
Shit we got a guy 2 days ago from Bosnia who is on a terror watch list who claimed asylum in Sweden.
And the fucking migration board wanted to handle his application but fortunately our security police kicked him out
>It made the EU really butthurt and they want us to get rid of it in a trade deal we're arranging with the EU so
WHY? WHY IS THE EU SO DEAD SET ON SENDING FORCING POOR BEGGARS AND CRIMINALS ONTO OTHER COUNTRIES?
I'm literally starting to believe they want the west to collapse
>>61054538
sayonara zeitsobu sensei was a good anime
>>61054230
>but the muslims will save our pension system :^)
The baby boomers claim the same thing here.
>"Young people aren't having enough children to support our mass retirement costs!"
Even though its proven people aren't having many kids because they can't afford it, they instead bring in welfare leeches who increase crime. Some rural politicians want to import brown people and force them to stay and work in rural areas for a few years to get tax monies from them since they all immediately move to cities.
>>61054336
The fact that it tries to fortify the fragile ties between our nations, creating bonds of solidarity and helping the undeveloped nations to grow prosper, like the richer ones, maybe.
Well, at least that's how it is intended to work, but when the first crisis arrives all the fat rats are trying to scape the boat, just because they are scared of a few bumps.
If you don't like how the EU is going right now, fight to change it, but don't try to piss all over the project cause it's fucking worthwhile and the one who thinks the contrary doesn't know shit about the history of the EU and how shitty international relationships were before its existance.
>>61054538
>Who will pay our debts now.
just join the UK again
>>61054444
True
>they need their religious edifices more than I need my cancer medicine.
>>61054572
It was, shame the manga was never fully adapted because the twist at the end was fucked up.
The Anime hinted and foreshadowed it like fuck, especially in the OP.
>>61054613
I think we would sooner set the whole country alight and commit sepuku.
Why dont Greeks love EU? They basicly got free 250 billion euros
>>61053928
BAZINGA
>>61054564
>I'm surprised you don't understand how German financial policy making has properly fucked the Spanish economy.
I'm perfectly aware of it, really.
As I said >>61054584 today there are some crooked retards reigning over the EU, but they are not the heart of the project, just transitory politicians, the central pillar is solidarity and I think we should fight to regain the control over the EU, not to toss the project aside just because we have some bad apples.
>>61054583
>The baby boomers claim the same thing here.
it's scary. Dude seriously Canada can still be saved. don't make the same mistake we did. please!
>>61054583
>hey instead bring in welfare leeches who increase crime
yep. and I don't get it. Like it's literally been proven now in tv debates and stuff over here that it doesn't work. 3rd world immigrants can not get jobs in 1st world nations because of their low education and at least in Sweden 3rd world asylum seekers take 8-15years on average before they get employment.
meaning it's a net loss to bring them in and our media and most politicians still claim this will be beneficial in the future.
It's disgusting how they lie
>>61053452
For fucks sake. Say bye to the British economy and the power of the pound.
>>61054651
and opening was lit as fuck
BURE BURE BURE
>>61054568
Well, under Liberal government we might loose this safe country list if enough lefts cry about it. Mexicans required visas to enter Canada for tourism because they either entered to work illegally, or to sneak into the US. They can't afford to come here for tourism so it wasn't an issue but the Libs immediately removed the law because it was mean. A few weeks before a Mexican lady I know was talking about how she was making paperwork so her mother could come in on a tourist visa but work here illegally, kek.
> WHY IS THE EU SO DEAD SET ON SENDING FORCING POOR BEGGARS AND CRIMINALS ONTO OTHER COUNTRIES?
I don't know. If I remember correctly it was Romania and countries with mass gypsy politicians that were the most pissed about it. Maybe they want to spread their suffering. The loophole was closed quickly here because we went from 0 refugee claims to something like 30k once the scum realized it worked and they immediately started doing criminal things and destroying the apartments they were given. Stealing copper, etc.
My point is liberal governments have no sense of logic when it comes to immigration or border control. It's "mean" to protect your country and its people from illegal things, that seems to be their mentality. You'll have to get a different government in and the people will need to change their attitudes, possibly by being very negatively affected by what's going on.
>>61054841
Don't worry, I'll always have enough power to pound your mom
>>61054584
thanks for your answer. At least I see how you think now.
I do however disagree. The EU isn't working to help poorer nations. and we could do that in other ways. no instead it's forcing us into a poltical union which I am sure will not work. we are different peoples with extremely different cultures.
Spain and Sweden for example should never be in a union because it won't work
We can be friends, we can trade, shit we can even have free movement but what the EU is today is a bastardisation of that.
Bringing in southern europe was a mistake, yes and Eastern Europe is even worse.
I dislike the Euro currency but even I admit it would have worked if it was just Germany and some other northen european countries. However Italy, Spain, Greece and eastern Europe are too different to function in the same monetary union and in a political union.
I want strong Nation states in europe who trade and cooperate and are friends. I don't want a United States of Europe
>>61054770
>don't make the same mistake we did
To be honest, the only thing that will make a difference is if Trump gets elected and bullies Weedman on policies to improve out immigration policies for security reasons. It was Weedmans father who originally opened our flood gate to foreigners so under his party and its current mentality we have no hope and will become like you. It's also quickened by mass temporary foreign worker imports who are destroying all job sectors.
Most of our TFW that are brought in are no education workers with no language skills. Lots of them come here and abuse food banks and homeless shelters for free shit, and some even try to access government resources only available to low income Canadian citizens. They really do cost the country more than they contribute but the government will deny this. I'm sure it's the same in Sweden. Most cost the country, not make it money as you said.
>>61054877
>because it was mean
what is this shit? And peopel cry about Trumps wall being mean.
welcome to earth, it's not a fucking preschool. what happened to facing reality? like you said Mexicans don't go to Canada for tourism. that's not mean, that's reality
>>61054845
RUMBA RUMBA RUMBA RUMBA!
based Puki
>>61054744
>some bad apples
You really don't understand how embedded the EU political infrastructure is do you? In order to achieve any meaningful reform, it will require the ratification of all 28 member states now. Anything that allows any fiscal loosening will never get past the inflation hating Germans who need a devalued currency to keep their power, anything that jeopardizes the retarded execution of free movement of people will never get past the shitty ex satellites. Anything that would create a consolidation of fiscal power will never get past france.
I'm sorry but the political structure is the eu has been flawed from the beginning and it has taken a series of unresolved crises on order to expose the optimistic to the point of delusional foundations on which even more slipshod and jury rigged execution has taken place.
Like the legal allowance of slavery in the US constitution and a civil war being inevitable from inception, the EU faces a reckoning.
>>61055064
I don't know, man.
People try to explain it this way: things are too good in the western world so we "invent" problems for ourselves. If you've heard people joke about "first world problems" it's that sort of mentality. Don't complain about your broken fridge because starving children in Africa can't afford a fridge, electricity, or food sort of arguments.
I think the internet shout box, and our media acknowledging crazy people shouting stuff on the internet is where things started getting crazy. All opinions are acknowledged if they're loud enough, even the self destructive ones that hurt your future and culture.
And to think, had America not gotten involved in the First World War none of the bullshit (including leftist takeover) would have happened in Europa. Please nuke this shithole.
>>61055045
it's scary. you are literally us a few years ago.
like I'm giving Sweden until 2020 and if we haven't reversed by then it's probably over for us but you guys have a biger chance to stop the destruction of your nation.
>It was Weedmans father who originally opened our flood gate to foreigners
ofcourse it was.
And now weedman is celebrated as some fucking hero in scoial media. seriously I see women all over the west who praise him fo being so progressive and visiting mosques all the time.
He will destroy your country man. I know the type. We have a party here just like him, now that things are beginning to fall apart and people are waking up they've fallen to like 3% of the popular vote in polls but it's too late now, they've already done their damage. they opened our bordes. they made asylum applications super easy to get and now we're economically ruined
>>61055228
elect Trump and you're forgiven
What inspired this massive drive for multiculturalism? Where has it been proven to work?
>>61055130
why is the free movement of people so important to pro EU politicians? Like you said I get why Eastern Euros want it but a lot of western European politicians treat it as something almost religious. Like when Sweden implemented border control last year EU politicans were in an uproar and saying that they would only allow it for a few months etc etc. Why is it so important for them?
I don't see what's so cumbersoem about bringing a passport with you to enter another country
>>61054063
23rd
>>61055395
the left supported it for humanitarian reaons and their globalist dreams, the right supported it to get cheap labor and dump salaries.
these two sides worked together and now they refuse to aknowledge the problems it brought and so they keep telling themselves that diversity is always better
>>61055241
>you guys have a biger chance to stop the destruction of your nation
Only because we sit next to the US and they affect more of our policies. We have some Europe mentality because of our origin, but some American mentality and hostility to the world because we are next to them. After 9/11 for example the US bullied our country into improving our border control so they didn't have to worry about terrorists sneaking into the US from our side as much. We collaborate on criminal records at the border to keep each others criminals out.
>He will destroy your country man. I know the type.
He only got elected because people were tired of a decade of Stephan Harper. I live in western Canada and our media and people are getting irritated by his "selfies". People ask "does he even work?" and get angry over much hypocritical behaviour. I hope we won't go down your road, but it'll depend on the American election turn out and if the Liberal party gets another term.
Things might be bad in Sweden, but if a different party gets in they can at least prevent things from getting worse. Things can always get worse but I understand it's hard to be optimistic when you see everything crash down around you. I've got to go now -- it was a nice chat, thank you.
>>61055537
>'ve got to go now -- it was a nice chat, thank you.
yeah same here. Good luck Canada anon
>>61053452
>Holland
I will fuck you up.
And yes there is a discussion going on how we can escape the EU.
If Britain does leave there will be an economic recession. There is no doubt about that.
Britons will want to fix that and jokn the european common market again. just this time they are in a worse position for negotiating. Just like switzerland and norway they will have to join schengen and pay even more money to brussels.
This is exactly what will happen if Britain wants to keave and that is exactly why i want Britain to leave, because it will result in an ecomic and power boost for germany
I live in Northern Ireland. Although we've managed to escape the grip of this mass immigration for now, we're pretty much living proof that you can't let two opposing cultures live in harmony. Even though the violence is mainly gone these days, our political system is polarised to shit and we're getting nowhere.
My fear, although perhaps unfounded, is that with time the EU as a whole will become as polarised as us due to these huge demographic changes.
>>61055416
I don't get it either , I think it comes from some hackneyed version of neoliberal economics whereby wages will equalise where demand meets supply so wages in poorer countries will have to rise to attract labour thus bringing people out of poverty or some other form of disproven Edwardian era pseudo intellectual tripe. I also hear it often conflated with being the necessary twin to free movement of capital which is patently bullshit once you take all of the required 9 seconds to think about it.
It's quite obvious that it's meant to ensure labour is cheap.
>>61055622
>And yes there is a discussion going on how we can escape the EU.
where? amongst the people the media or the politicians?
>>61055687
Dit frau Merkel told you this? Was she on TV again?
>>61053928
We don't need a single note more in this world with a straight white male on it.
>>61055687
t. Merkel
>>61055687
>This is exactly what will happen if Britain wants to keave and that is exactly why i want Britain to leave, because it will result in an ecomic and power boost for germany
yeah you guys need it if you're gonna fford those 1million "refugees".
I hope Brexit brings the entire EU down. seriously a recession will be worth it
>>61055771
Media and the peasants. Politicians don't want to hear any of it. We just had a referendum that they trying to ignore. Wilders is the biggest party in the polls so he will make the Netherlands great again.
>>61055802
>>61055822
Merkel doesnt say shit and nobody knows what she thinks anyway
It is simple economics. There is no way that leaving a trade union of that size could end well
>>61055687
Britain leaving will be an economic hit for the EU too mind. But that will pale in comparison to the political disaster it will create. I hope this is the final crisis that destroys the eu.
>>61055869
>>61055897
>refugees will destroy europe
>lets destroy europe ourselfes then
how fucking dumb do you have to be to see a recession as an option you could accept? greece has 1/6 of britains population and you saw what happened to europes economy when they had a recession and it did not just affect eu countries.
>>61055881
>Media and the peasants. Politicians don't want to hear any of it
ofcurese...
>>61055881
>Wilders is the biggest party in the polls so he will make the Netherlands great again.
We live in a time where nationalist politicians are working hard and gaining support to make their countries great again.
feels good man
>>61055687
>because it will result in an economic and power boost for Germany
Thanks for reminding us of the entire purpose of the EU again.
>>61055687
>being like Switzerland and Norway is bad
Why is comparison to the two most successful European countries a remain policy?
>>61053452
Not sure who will follow but it won't be ze French or ze Germans. They're much too attached to their little failed brainchild known as the "EU." They'll stay in denial until the very end as they go down with the sinking ship. I can't wait as it will be both a hilarious and deserving fate.
>>61055972
>>lets destroy europe ourselfes then
EU=Europe
hahaaa what a story Mark.
Ffs the EU is destroying Europe. We are losing our national identities ffs. We are losing our freedom. yes a recession is worth it for stopping USSR 2.0 from destroying Europe
>>61056023
your country literaly fought a civil war for preventing the confederexit
>>61056071
>states are equivalent to countries
USE confirmed
>>61056046
if the eu as a total or each country individually is in recession is no fucking difference.
ffs take some basic economics class.
>>61055972
Because the longer we put off the final disaster that ends the living abortion that is the eu political entity, the worse that disaster will be. It could have ended with Greece, it could end with Brexit, but if it goes on longer it is just delaying the inevitable. You either have a strong central government of your political territory or a simple free trade zone...or you spend decades even centuries languishing through infighting and internal strife. For historical examples please see the Confederate states of America or closer to home the Holy Roman Empire.
>>61056071
>your country literaly fought a civil war for preventing the confederexit
are you seriously comparing US states to the European nation states which have existed for centuries?
>>61056119
it's about more tahn economics man. I already said that.
I want every EU building in Brussels gone and the politicians there to lose their jobs. I want the EU to end and all of us to go back to running our indipendent nation states
>>61056109
actual issues were very much similar. a union is a union. no matter if you call its members countries, states or whatever. just because the usa is a more integrated union than the eu or the asea or whatever it doesnt change the main issues that occure in all kind of unions: the wish of independence from the power centre but the negative effects of a leaving of the union on the other side
>>61056186
yeah like what happened after the hre collapsed?
it was well established for a 1000 years
>>61056186
>the longer we put off the final disaster that ends the living abortion that is the eu political entity, the worse that disaster will be
ecactly.
I fear this will end with a yugoslavia style war if the European nations and people lose their identity
>>61056071
Yes and the reason they fought this civil war was mostly because they kicked a major can down the road in order to maintain a fragile Union of states. 90 years later, this issue of slavery could no longer be avoided and the result was one of bloodiest wars of its time.
I'm hoping you can see the parallels here.
>>61056012
Stopping EU immigration and ending membership payments are the main argument of brexit.
Joining the EEA completely nullifies that.
>>61056189
it is just ridicolous to accept poverty just so you can be independent. like what are you gonna get from it? so americans dont meme you on the interwebz anymore and you can say SVERIGE STRONK?
>>61056071
I don't see how referencing a Civil War that happened over a hundred years ago helps the situation of your currently crumbling union. That's the same type of retarded thinking that's led to your current path of ruin.
>>61056244
>well established
If it's a political legacy you're happy to emulate then be my guest. For those of us who read more than the dates bracketting historical subjects, I think it's a lesson in how not to create sound political infrastructure.
>>61056012
the thing is they were allready succesful before they joined the european market. they have to pay higher member fees than eu members, have to accept schengen and other eu rules without getting a say in bruxelles. Britain is going for that right now which is just plain stupid
>>61056332
>poverty
come on dude. it won't go that far that we're back to 18th century poverty. at worst it'll be a few hard years. we've gotten through it before.
>so americans dont meme you on the interwebz anymore and you can say SVERIGE STRONK?
it's actually good that they do that. might wake my sleeping people up.
No this is about the future of not just my nation but every european nation state.
I have seen how the politicians in Brussels act and I'll take almost anything over being ruled by them. it's disgusting that this hellproject has been going on for so long without almost any objection. I am so glad for the UK's referendum even happening. it's opened up such a healthy debate in all of Europe. just that for me is a small victory
>>61056198
One was a war fought over the right to slavery, in which ethnically and culturally similar countrymen fought each other over the right to secede from a union that all had been a member of since its inception.
The other is a referendum over a homogenous (not anymore lol :^) ) nation leaving a trading block that has been riddled with bureaucracy and antidemocratic practices, effectively tanking the economies of its members. Also migrants.
>>61056310
Also featured are arguments against the bureaucracy, protectionism, and redistribution of British trade and rights to other members. Lets also not forget that the EU is the definition of a dictatorship. Arguably, a benevolent one. But a dictatorship all the same.
>>61055106
kipu kipu kipu kipu kipu kipu kipu
>>61056485
from a far right/far left wing perspective i can understand that the eu politicans appear like shit. but come on, your swedish politicans? they are the super nightmare for everyone in the middle or right wing political spectrum. from your perspective you should be glad that swedish politicans dont have all the indipendent power
>>61056562
oh you're right, trust me I don't blame the EU for most Swedens troubles. that is our own damn fault.
however imo the EU is just another problem. I want out of that and I want a nationalistpolicy to dominate sweden for a while.
Fortunately that is happening. the Globalist and open borders save the world people have plumeted and parties like SD and those who copy their politics are rising like crazy.
It's probably still over for us but I still have hope, and leaving the Eu is just a part of fixing the problem
>>61056503
>Also featured are arguments against the bureaucracy, protectionism, and redistribution of British trade and rights to other members. Lets also not forget that the EU is the definition of a dictatorship. Arguably, a benevolent one. But a dictatorship all the same.
Being a member of the EEA necessitates the implementation of many laws Brits would have no influence over. They wouldn't have any options either they do what the EU asks or they aren't allowed free access to the market.
If they join the EEA after leaving the EU it'll be the most retarded move they can possibly make.
>>61056429
We outlasted you twice before in wars of attrition, we shall do so again. The EU has almost as much to lose without trade with Britain as Britain does, the difference is we would have the political fortitude while the EU, as always, would have hardly any internal agreement to how to handle the new British crisis and would, as usual, adopt some new, half arsed solution that would look like neither the Norway nor the Swiss model just because at every major obstacle the EU is only capable of some organic and sewn together response to any major issue. Look at the brinkmanship with Greece, a tiny country with a small economy, you think it will be easier to deal with a Britain while the whole world returns to recession? We'll be coming to a mutually economically beneficial solution quicker than you think, our financial markets will see to that.
>>61056837
>We outlasted you twice before in wars of attrition, we shall do so again
based
>>61056785
You assume that the organic and haphazard agreements that evolved through decades of political consensus building with Switzerland and Norway would become standard templates for non member access to the eu single market?
>>61056785
Trade Agreements aren't needed for trade, but they do make it easier.
The EU needs Britain, they're not going to tell them to fuck off if they don't agree to trade deals. The German manufacturing industry will make sure of that. A deal struck woukd be beneficial to both parties.
Also Switzerland isn't an EEA member.
>>61056924
I hope you I and others find us to be on the right side of history and we can see the EU peaceably dismantle into a free trade zone once again
>>61056310
Why would uk want to stop Eu immigration? Everyone knows only south Asians and carribs come to the Uk.
>>61057307
EU immigration would probably be moreover gypsies and migrants trying to get in.
>>61057214
>and we can see the EU peaceably dismantle into a free trade zone once again
if this were to happen it would make my year. one can dream
Actually opinion polls are skewed towards leave because people think it's more trendy. Also old people will vote for the status quo. There just aren't that many bigots in UK for leave I'm sorry so stop this meme already.
what the fuck are even the arguments for and against brexit?
all i've seen is shit from both sides like "It's bad for de fishermen xd".
>>61057307
>>61057381
the UK has huge problems with Easter europeans coming in and claiming benefits, free housing and dumping salaries because iirc the avarage Romanian worker earns 6 times less than the avarage brit so employeers prefer to hire eastern euroes
>>61053786
It's so funny to read foreigners think we're all negative about the EU because of that silly referendum.
>>61057449
Canada, Australia, and the UK have TV series based around border control.
The amount of illegals easily entering the UK and how little they do to stop them and deport them was very shocking. They basically ask them nicely and come check in at a government building regularly until they get the deport paper work in order because they don't have enough detainment centres to hold all their illegals. Surprisingly, once caught and told to check in they disappear after let go.
>>61057432
If you've got an hour to spare watch Brexit: The Movie on youtube. Sums up the economic arguments for leave.
The Guardian as a whole shills pretty hard for remain, so you can check that out as well.
>>61057427
I'd post the baitfish.png but I'm phone posting
>>61057550
Aren't Australia and Canada overrun with chinks though?
>>61053452
>Holland
>Two provinces in the Netherlands can leave the EU, but not the rest of the country
>>61057554
That John Oliver faggot also had an entire video crying about how people wanted to vote to leave and how dumb they were for thinking it was a good idea.
I wonder if he sees the irony of crying about things from a country he left for a better life while getting paid millions.
>>61057597
Not really. Vancouver housing market is suffering badly from Chinese corruption, but they flip and destroy the market without being there. since it's warm weather that's a city chinks prefer to move to en mass. Aussies have some similiar problems, especially since their population is lower and they're close to so many Asian countries.
Also ours are legal immigrants for the most part, usually getting in on temporary foreign worker plans.
>>61057710
That a failed British comedian went over to the states and is now seen as some brilliant political satirist really speaks volumes about his opinions.
>>61057597
>overrun
About 5% Chinese/Vietnamese in Oz. Australia's still 85-92% white. About comparable to most West European nations
>>61053452
It has been clear all along that the EU is evil.
The once proud peoples of Europe have become serfs to the banksters, the oligarchs that have ousted the supposedly democratically elected representatives of the people, the oligarchs which now own the citizens of Europe.
This plutocratic nightmare must end, every day the surveillance police state grows, the freedom of the free world shrinks, more families lose their homes, for the people must pay out "austerity" to the ultra rich, the poor and common people must pay tax to their overlords once again as in the times of feudalism.
The only hope for freedom is revolution, but the corporate media has censored all the stories of the Icelandic revolution, just as the 2nd revolutionary wave begins and the people once again force new elections the US armed forces suddenly begin the largest military exercises here in history?
The people don't realise their power, nor how important it is to use it. Now.
The oligarchic state doesn't have the capacity to crush a revolution of the whole of the people. Every riot police officer is also a citizen, they are human and can be made to disobey the orders of the state, they can't and won't stop all of the people. The time to act is now.
Best of luck to all of you my European brothers, freedom is never given. It can only be taken.
RULE BRITANNIA
>>61057792
that's how it starts
>>61054001
>sad
What ? Marine's victory ? Attacks ?
>>61057790
>really speaks volumes about his opinions.
it also says a lot about the people who hang on his every word. I think that jewish guy before him got tired of being a teleprompter reading hack.
>>61057864
Sorry, should've added that most of those are second or third generation immigrants and have integrated. Also they're primarily Buddhist or Catholic. Not Muslim
>>61057948
>tfw i go to brussels
>>61057901
It's funny how Americans find politics so entertaining...or rather they like their politics to be more like entertainment. I'm trying to think if there's any equivalent show like these political humour grandstands here and I really don't think they are.
>>61057710
>That John Oliver faggot also had an entire video crying about how people wanted to vote to leave and how dumb they were for thinking it was a good idea.
jesus is he being paid for shilling this hard? god damn it sounds like he's literally working for the EU with his migration propaganda and now this
>>61058038
Have I Got News For You?
>>61057816
>freedom is never given. It can only be taken.
>>61058038
We've had satire news shows in Canada, but they're more cynical and usually satire skits instead of semi fake news with an overly one sided opinionated guy.
>>61058070
I haven't watched it since I can't stand the guy, but his shit is always being posted everywhere so it's hard to ignore. Hes also stuck his ugly nose into Canadian politics for the purpose of sucking Trudeau off and making generic Canadian stereotype jokes.
Here's the EU one if you want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8
>>61058194
>>61058102
scary
>>61056332
>give up your independence, frau Merkel is taking care of you
>>61058158
I don't want it , I saw his Scottish independence one and even though I was a no, I realised this guy is fucking clueless when it comes to non US politics now (or even that too). He's about as in the loop on the EU referendum as a kibbutz.
>>61058158
I don't think I can watch it. I get so extremely pissed off by smug assholes like this who shill.
>Hes also stuck his ugly nose into Canadian politics for the purpose of sucking Trudeau off
>Muh Trudeay
the other Canadian guy itt made a good point. Wtf has Weedman actually done? Everyone's praising him for apologizing to native americans and visiting mosques and having a 50/50 gender split in parliament but what has he done to actually improve things for Canada?
>>61058293
was he pro or against Scottish independence?
does Brexit stand for "Britian Exit"?
>>61057597
We do have a lot. We mainly just take the rich ones though, it costs a lot of money to buy an Australian PR. Lots are on investment visas which means they need to spend $5mil setting up a business
>>61057816
This is why doing away with Monarchys and such was a bad idea. At least when everyone had Queens and Kings, you had some sense of logic behind why you were to follow their orders ('God wills it/Divine mandate')
Now they gutted that system and put in politicians elected from the people. From the PEOPLE. Plebbians who only have the right to rule because a bunch of other people said 'Hey, he's alright, he sucks off my political agenda, let's put him in power.', instead of having a ruler who lead by his own will and made what was right with his might, and sired sons and daughters raised to be rulers. When you had that, you had rulers you could generally trust to look out for the countries prosperity, because when the country's doing good, they're doing good.
But now the leaders in power can just say 'Oh well, guess i'll hike on over to another country' when things go bad, while sneakily hiding assets all throughout the world in case of emergencys, purely for their own benefits.
It's bullshit.
>>61058502
British, not 'Britian'.
>>61058328
>Wtf has Weedman actually done?
He's his fathers son. That's literally it.
Last election the Liberals party candidate was so unlikable they made a historic failing and got knocked down to third party status for the first time in Canadian history. So Weedman, whose job experience was briefly being a bouncer, a part time drama teacher, and being paid to talk about his Dad (while living off his Dads trust fund money) was selected for curb appeal/ nostalgia with the older folks who were around when his father was in office. His dad was a faggot too, but that guy at least had some principles and did stuff (prevented Quebec from leaving Canada, something his son makes distasteful jokes about) while Trudeau Jr. is just there to look pretty and waste tax money on memes.
The Liberals just wanted power and took advantage of how upset people were at the previous government. They haven't done anything beneficial and are driving us deeply into debt and even plan on tweaking election laws to forever give themselves an advantage in the polls so they never get 3rd place or lower again.
>>61058544
thanks, sorry for spelling "Britain" wrong. Take this image as my penance
>>61058365
I think you could probably guess.
>>61058561
I thought so. he's literally a meme leader that leftists all over the world can praise for being so progressive
>>61058609
against
>>61058535
>When you had that, you had rulers you could generally trust to look out for the countries prosperity, because when the country's doing good, they're doing good.
interesting. never really thought about it that way
>>61058640
>he's literally a meme leader that leftists all over the world can praise for being so progressive
yep. he's just a celebrity puppet that does as he's told. I'm sure on top of his government wages he got bribed to leave his lazy life to take selfies on tax payer dime.
Arabfag here, is the immigration wave as bad as you guys make it out to be?
>>61058713
There was a German town of around 300 people whose mayor decided without consulting them to let 1000 migrants from Africa move in.
Guess how well that's turning out for the locals.
>>61058713
>is the immigration wave as bad as you guys make it out to be?
yes it literally is,
Crimewaves, rapes, seual assaults and those are nothign comparade to the economic damages.
Also my city (Stockholm) has a huge problem with street kids from your country believe it or not who came with the refugee wave and refuse to report to the government or police. instead they steal and assault women and since they're under 18 the ppolice can't do anything except remove them for a time but next day they're back at it.
This is a complete fucking disaster
>>61058751
Sounds rough, but isn't the entire EU claiming less refugees than both Lebanon and Turkey?
Does 0.26% of the EU's population really that threatening?
>>61058815
That's fucked up though
>>61058849
>Does 0.26% of the EU's population really that threatening?
Is*
>>61058849
>Does 0.26% of the EU's population really that threatening?
Yes, they can fuck off. My ancestors fought for generations to keep them out, and now the EU forces us to let them in. At least they all fuck off to Germany and Sweden.
>>61058849
The cultures are completely different, and it's turning out the majority aren't refugees but economic migrants skipping through entire countries because they heard from a guy they'll get free shit from this one country and can fuck all the women they want.
And yes it is. There's no reason for countries to allow millions of welfare leeches who pop out lots of children, cause crime, and have no interests in integrating.
>>61058918
>Muh ancestors
>>61058849
>Sounds rough, but isn't the entire EU claiming less refugees than both Lebanon and Turkey?
true but Lebanon and Turkey are getting real refuigees.
Liek I said we get economi migreants who pretend to be refugees.
We mostly get Afghans and North africans, some middle eastern,
According to EU numbers only 21% of people who entered the Eu for asylum reason during 2015 were Syrian refugees. the majority are economi migrants and criminals like those 1000 Moroccan street kids who your governments refuses to take back.
That is the reason why turkey and Lebanon are suffering as much since real refugees don't start shit since they actually need protection whilst these economim migrants are having the time of their lives getting welfare and robbing people and raping infidel women.
Also some are literal Isis militants
>>61059009
aren't suffering as much*
>>61058918
>>61058980
I guess you could see it like that.
I've never experienced that kind of behavior here, although I guess the people moving to Europe aren't the best the country has to offer (the slightly better-off syrians probably moved normally).
>>61059009
Actually, we agreed to take them back in January, iirc.
>>61055687
"There's only one good Boche; a dead Boche"
>>61059065
>Actually, we agreed to take them back in January, iirc.
oh yeah sorry I heard there was talk about that but I thought they broke down.
either way that's just one part of the rpoblem. we have several murdes and rapes that have been comitted but as I said before the main problem is economic. this is consting us billions of euros a year and most of these people aren't even refugees.
It's funny I know a moroccan guy who lives here and he's astonished at waht's going on. he's like anon wtf are you guys doing to yourself stop bringing these people in they will ruin Sweden
>>61056332
Kraut demonstrating his natural servile instincts.
>>61059140
I've only been to France and Spain, so I don't really know how bad the situation is in the countries with more migrants (UK?, Sweden, Germany, etc).
Moroccans can be surprisingly conservative at times, though, that's for sure.
We don't have a lot of syrian migrants (a few thousands at most?). They're the ones who escaped Syria right before the EU opened the gates, and so are stuck in Morocco, while everyone else is treated better in Turkey/Europe/etc.
I feel bad for them, seeing them beg while showing their passports at crossings with red lights...
>>61059258
>I feel bad for them, seeing them beg while showing their passports at crossings with red lights...
I think everyone but the most hardcore /pol/ people feel bad for them. they are real victims.
But you must understand that we don't have that here. it's hard ot to get pissed when Algerians, Tunisians, Morrocans, Afghans and Pakistanis (mostly young males in their 20's) claim to be 16year old kids and seek asylum whilst they commit crimes and sexual assaults and are claiming benefits while real refugees die in camps or beg in the streets like you mentioned.
>I've only been to France and Spain, so I don't really know how bad the situation is in the countries with more migrants (UK?, Sweden, Germany, etc).
if you mean the current migration wave then I explained it in previous posts.
if you mean muslims living in muslim migrants who have lived in europe for years now they're mostly segregated in their own communities, they have very low education so not many have jobs which lead to further segregation and criminality. That is the same pattern all over europe
>>61059426
Don't worry, I know about the situation you've described; I was just describing my own point of view.
The whole idea of Moroccan migration just seems foreign to me. We always laugh at articles mentioning Moroccans getting rejected at borders while pretending to be migrants: we might not be in best shape economically, but we sure as hell aren't a war zone or a Venezuela-tier hellhole.
It's always the bottom of the barrel which moves illegally, I guess.
>>61059258
>UK?, Sweden, Germany, etc
>France has less immigrants than Germany
>>61059556
The whole syrian crisis isn't really noticeable in France: The only "refugee city" is Calais.
In general, most arab migrants in France are Nortwest Africans (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia) which are usually pretty well integrated.
>>61057790
it really speaks volumes of ameriturds if anything
>>61059547
>we might not be in best shape economically, but we sure as hell aren't a war zone or a Venezuela-tier hellhole.
no truth is it's a whole bunch of people abusing the syrian war to get a better life economically. I don't really blame them I blame our politicians and the EU for allowing it to go on when it's so obviously not refugees.
>It's always the bottom of the barrel which moves illegally, I guess.
not always but the bottom of the barrel will ofcourse come to.
Which is why it's hilarious everyone was so mad about Trumps comment when he said Mexico isn't sending their best, they're sending rapists, killer and some good people. that's not racist, that's true.
Same about Moroco, I've been to your country, it's amzing, the people were so friendly and I loved it. but the people coming now from there do not have right of asylum and are behaving badly.
Whilst the Morrocan guy I know came here legally to work these people are often criminals in their home countries and then come here to get more money.
>>61058751
Are you talking about Sumte?
because I just googled it, and it seems the refugees haven't really done anything.
I cannot understand why people seriously want to leave the EU. Your GDP would tank and immigration would not be effected. Why do you want to leave?
>>61061993
Because the EU is tanking our GDP and hates freedom.
>>61062025
but leaving the EU would tank your GDP more. Just because you pay 190million to stay in, more will be lost from trade fees.
>>61062052
Not British, EU has tanked my country even worse than you could imagine, wiping out 1/4 of our industrial production because of the shitty euro. It also regulates things to high hell, it fucking sucks.
>>61053452
Hopefully France.
That would leave Germany alone in a sea of shit.
>>61062095
( didn't notice you were not a brit)
but why do you care if Britain is in or not? The damage has been done and the euro would tank more if Britain left.
Also what is wrong with regulation? Sure it sounds bad ,but it helps allow for standards to help raise the quality of products.
>>61053941
>in a recent poll 70% of Swedes wanted to remain in the EU
SWEEEDEN...
>>61053452
EU reminds me of the no homer's club.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbXjt_ZlVOE
>>61056000
Trips of truth.
>>61054183
>literal road pirates that rob you on the highway and then go back to their slavic lands before the police can catch them.
Wow, just like here.
If the UK leaves, almost certainately other countries will bail as well.
Collapse of the EU will most certainly lead to the greatest financial crisis the world has ever seen. The entirety of Europe will probably be completely fucked for decades as countries try to untangle their laws from the EU, negotiate hundreds of new trade deals, tens of millions of people are forced back to their own countries and industry across the entire EU collapses.
Who benefits from this? Entire EU collapses, countries retreat into national borders, "cosmopolitan ideal" is declared dead, crazy financial crisis with entire economies collapsing and millions thrown out of work. The far-right.
I don't think it's any coincidence that Brexit and anti-EU sentiment has been spearheaded by the far-right. It's clear accelerationism through and through.
On the EU though, the EU also caused this itself by being a fucking corrupt, undemocratic, non-transparent cartel of neoliberal bankers forcing bullshit economic policy on everyone as punishment for the actions of the financial elite. The EU as it stands doesn't deserve to survive. The only way the EU should be allowed to stand is if DiEM25's demands are carried out.
Honestly I wish this whole Brexit bullshit was instead funneled into DiEM, but oh well, people are lazy fuck and want to appeal to lazy populism even if it completely ruins their lives and destroys their own country.
Only far right parties want to leave the EU
But only the typical "proletarian" people want to leave it
Does this also happen in your cunt?
>>61053452
>Brexit: Leave retakes the lead
sad really
>>61064409
>something doesn't work
>bail out like a pussy istead of trying to fix it
I'll fucking enjoy watching brits realizing they made a huge mistake and I'll enjoy even more when I'll retire in some comfy god-forgotten place as Europe falls into rotten nationalism and rampaging populism like in the beginning of the 20th century.
>>61064558
Your country literally chose to make a Brexit in 1776, and look how far it led you
>>61056540
puki puki puki puki puki
>>61064639
>in an abusive relationship
I can change him, there's good in him you just can't see it
>>61064848
Not really if you both the EU and Italy benefited each other.
>>61053818
>>61053869
>>61054001
Marine is fucked for 2017, but if the next gov is right-wing they'll keep fucking up and she could win in 2022
>>61053452
/pol/ memes always fail.
UK will vote stay, and keep getting cucked like each nations of EU
If you think Brussels is gonna let Brexit win you're pretty naive.
