Why aren't Germany and Austria the same country? (is it
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Why aren't Germany and Austria the same country? (is it because of WWII sensitivities?)
Do the people in each country want to be united or do they like independence?
Do you think they ever WILL unite, and if so when?
Same reason why England and Wales isn't one.
>>60961701
>Why aren't Germany and Austria the same country?
Because Cousin Britain says no anschluss
>>60961701
Nowadays, Austrian identity is a fabrication. In reality, before WW2 there was virtually no opposition to Anschluss. It's only post-war that they've done as their Western masters have told them and convinced themselves that they aren't German.
>>60961777
Firstly, we are the same sovereign state you moron
Secondly, England and Wales have different ethnicities and even LANGUAGES. The English are Anglo-Saxons. The Welsh are Celtic.
But Germany and Austria are all ethnic Germans aren't they? And they all speak German.
>>60961915
Is that actually the reason? I thought it might be because of that
>>60961935
Is that actually true though? And how can you convince an Austrian person he isn't German when he speaks German and he's ethnically German? Or do they really have a distinct culture (surely their culture is no more different than all the different German states are)?
>>60961777
Can a Deutscher or Österreicher person shed some light?
>>60962780
Allies denied Anschluß after the war.
>>60962960
Okay fair enough
Is there an appetite in both countries to unite though? How mainstream is that appetite? Or is it just seen as a far-right thing?
I assume someone like Merkel would think that unification is an extreme right-wing dirty idea and not very progressive?
>>60961777
No it's not.
>>60961701
I think that it's the same reason Francophone Switzerland/Walloonia and France aren't the same countries, different cultural sensitivities, vastly different history and a completely different economy (More than half of the population of Austria lives in Wien or so I've heard)
>>60963059
>Is there an appetite in both countries to unite though?
More or less none / no one talks about a modern version Anschluß / yes
>Merkel
She does what others tell her, she has no personality of her own.
>>60963059
Why are people thinking that Merkel is a socialist SJW daemon ? She's a conservative.
>>60963059
>Or is it just seen as a far-right thing?
Yep.
>>60961701
ANSCHLUSS WHEN?
SIE WERDEN SICH HINSETZEN
>>60963252
>daemon
Jesus Christ, be more European
>>60963535
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>>60963631
I'll add accents to you, baguette muncher
>>60961701
I think the WW1 ban on their unification still stands.
>>60963252
Because she is an SJW demon, it doesn't matter if she represents the centre-right party
>>60963242
>>60963280
Okay danke Hans und Hans
>>60963754
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>>60961701
What would Austria (the last independent stronghold of South German culture) have to gain from joining Germany?
>>60963853
You wanna meet up sometime, Frenchie fuggboi?
>>60963918
Actually why the fugg not. When ?
Why isn't Azerbaijan and Turkey same country? We didn't do what Germans did in WW2.
>>60963940
Location: my anus
>>60964008
I'm coming in dry then
>>60963882
Well Bavaria isn't an independent sovereign state but they're a separate German state, with South German culture, and the best economy in Germany.
Austria would have a bigger economy + more presence on the world state to gain.
>>60963059
>Is there an appetite in both countries to unite though?
Really none.
Germans have no interest because we get told as little kids that really bad things happen when we Anschluss them plus we have the EU, so countries do not mean that much anymore anyways.
For Austria it is a bit different. Their whole identity is "We are not German" so they have a lot less war guilt etc. Also it would be pretty bad for them economically since they are better off than most states in the east/north, so they would have to pay a shitload of money.
>>60963059
Almost president Hofer is pro-Anschluß like most parts of his party. No party in Germany even talks about this topic, but I guess some AfD hardliners like Höcke also desire a unification.
Austrians in general are pissed when Germans behave like they are in their homecountry and Germans from other states than Bavaria see them as completely different from theirself.
No. We need less of this bullshit in Europe. Veneto is not Italy, Catalonia is not Spain, Bavaria is not Germany, etc. Fuck these garbage countries cucking our identities away.
>>60964239
>we get told as little kids that really bad things happen when we Anschluss them
How? Do they say "if Germany was to Anschluss Austria again then WW3 would break out"?
>they have a lot less war guilt etc
Despite the fact that it was an Austrian who caused the war
>>60964343
This
>Greater Austria with Bavaria, South Tirol and Swiss when?
>>60964326
>Almost president Hofer is pro-Anschluß like most parts of his party.
Ah right. Is it just because he wants a symbolic reunification of all the German peoples? Rather than for any economic reasons, or any other reasons?
>>60961701
Because allied meanies don't want that
Austria is much more like Slovenia than it is like Germany.
Discuss. You have 3 hours.
>>60964751
>Rather than for any economic reasons, or any other reasons?
Economically it would really make no sense.
They can trade what ever they want and they would ahve to pay a lot to other states since they are better off than many German states.
Austria already had it's own Austro-Hungarian Empire when Bismarck united the rest of the German states. Thus Austria was left out. They visited once but the allies didn't like it
>>60964239
>>60964402
> Germans have no interest because we get told as little kids that really bad things happen when we Anschluss them
I don't really agree. I think unification just seems outlandish to the most here, since it's been a long time since this was considered the last time (and even in 1938 the "Greater Germany" idea had already been ditched since 1866 when Prussia and Austria went to war to establish who has hegemony over Germany - when Prussia won an inclusion of Austria-Hungary in a unified Germany became impossible).
And since we already had our big German reunification in 1990, my theory is that the whole "Germany needs to be whole again" problem many Germans had in the back of their head since the end of WWI, essentially causing WWII among other factors has been finally solved.
It's really funny that just by the even further reduction of German territory in 1945 the Allies indirectly succeded in preventing Germans going for their former territories as they now had to confront the problem first that their remaining territory was split.
>>60970864
A little bit along the line of "Reclaiming Silesia, East Prussia and Pomerania? Fuck man, we'll be lucky if we get fucking East Germany!"
> 1990
"Fuck yeah, we're finally Germany again!"
I have heard Austria has it in constitution that they cant reunite with Germany