What is your opinion on Brexit?
What are your countrymen's opinion on Brexit?
first for Brexit
UK should probably leave
I live in the midwest, politics about our own country aren't discussed here let alone any other country. Plus I don't most of the people I know could find the uk on a map, let alone know about brexit
>my opinion
It's good, would give Brits self determination and wouldn't wreck their economy since 1000 shitty EU restrictions would be gone, overall everyone wins as EU collapses
>countrymen
Bad deal, would kill their economy and bring war to Europe once more
>>60937031
British should make Island nation union with Japan.
>>60937624
Can we join?
>>60937031
Besides the free trade agreement the UK doesn't participate in any EU activity.
Most of the money they pay in the gat back.
I simply think it doesn't matter if they are in or not. The trade will still be mainly with EU so all the EU regulation will still be followed there just as Norway and Switzerland folloes them.
But they can't block EU decicion anymore and delay processes there what would be a big improvment for the infrastructure of EU.
>>60937031
I heard in the news there is at least one less remain voter now.
The UK is so far away it might as well be on another planet
I don't care
me in the post
>>>/pol/77658515
>>60937764
>it might as well be on another planet
it might as well be pakistan.
>>60937624
I'm down for an Island chill out
>cucklady got shot
>remain loses 8%
damn son, shoot some more politicians and youll have a brexit no problem and then we can have nexit.
>>60937624
Enjoy you child you will have to pamper everyday.
>>60937031
Brexit sounds like
Brag shit
I don't know. I DO think Britain will suffer economically and Scotland will fight all the harder to run back to the EU. I personally am naive of the benefits of leaving besides "we get to make our own laws free of the EU".
Although I'm neutral, I have met a lot of condescending, sometimes outright aggressive assholes advocate for remaining. Part of me wants a brexit just to stick it to these jerks
Shocked the polls are still leaning towards leave though, especially after the shooting. I thought the brits would feel sorry and vote to remain
I'm leave. It has become the idealistic and poor vs the establishment and well off.
I'm idealistic and well off. I believe that national parliaments should be sovereign.
Ama on Brexit
They'll ultimately stay
people don't like change
i don't think British should get out of EU.
there are many economic advantage to be in EU because no barrier to other country makes money flow more active.
the most British concerning point is refugee problem, and i know this is big problem for EU, however they should deal with this problem apart from exit from EU or not.
>>60937031
Is this a lie?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/15/brexit-damage-uk-economy-eiu-vote-eu-recession
>wew lads, still TOO EASY to get firearms in Britain, we need to regulate more
BAN HUNTING!! BAN POCKET KNIVES!! BAN 3D PRINTERS!!
Inevitable. Maybe not this year but at some point. The EU can't just be an overweening United States of Europe forever.
useless since they're not in the Eurozone aka the only EU thing that really matters economically
>>60937614
But you obey these restrictions as well because you fear the alternative would wreck your economy...
>>60937733
This.
The only way the EU can be fixed is without Britain.
>>60937989
Holland would die in a few weeks. Just imagine you would have to pay tariffs for exporting goods to the EU. It would kill your ports, all the fucking logistics and even your agricultural. You're a nation relying heavily on trade.
Why is everybody so fucking suicidal these days?
>>60937989
you mean leave loses 8%,
its against logic remain would lose on that since it was those ebul nazis from britain first that killed her and that you need more diversity and shit
I'm Irish-American and I want Britain to stay so they can be punished for their sins by being stuck in the failing EU.
I JUST WANNA FUCKING SEE IT HAPPEN. GODDANGIT. Greece didn't happen... Italy didn't happen... IF BRITAIN DOESN'T HAPPEN WILL BURN THIS WORLD MYSELF.
>>60937031
Remain
Think about the effects on world economy
All those idiots that are for Brexit don't seem logical to me
You may think this is something good for Britain, but it's something bad for the EU
Which, is bad for world-wide economy, and is going to backfire on Britain itself
Leave.
Cons of Brexit:
-- Won't solve any of Britain's problems.
Pros of Brexit:
-- British right-wingers will realise that the EU wasn't the problem and focus their attention on the real problem.
-- Accelerates the collapse of the current order.
-- Removing the American lapdog from the EU makes it more likely that the EU will align with Russia and China, helping bring about the glorious multi-polar world.
>>60937800
The EU has always been, and will always be, an ultimately American project anon.
What, you thought Obama encouraging the UK to stay in the EU was him speaking from a purely altruistic angle?
>>60939889
Tell me how brexit would damage world economy
>>60939947
>What, you thought Obama encouraging the UK to stay in the EU was him speaking from a purely altruistic angle?
No. Britain is America's foremost voice in the EU. If Britain leaves the EU, then the US will lose some of its influence over the EU. That's his self-interested angle.
>>60939953
Extreme uncertainty re: British economy, continuation of the rest of EU and Eurozone for one.
Businesses don't invest or hire when there are high uncertainties.
>>60939984
>If Britain leaves the EU, then the US will lose some of its influence over the EU. That's his self-interested angle.
The real fear is that the UK leaving gives thegreen light for other nations to bail out when Merkel (or that gay fag that's her potential successor) inevitably decides to go full cuck again on refugees.
NATO's post-Cold War rapid expansion across the continent coinciding with the EU's rapid expansion into Slavland wasn't a coincidence
>>60939994
Keynes pls go print some money or something
>>60937756
kek. dark.
>>60937800
>not realizing the EU was our pet project behind the curtains this entire time, just like the League of Nations
From where you're squatting, must seem like an 18 karat run of bad luck.
Truth is: the game was rigged from the start.
>>60937800
t. retard
you do realise that the british are even worse(/better depending on your POV) spies than the yanks, r-right? :3
>>60940047
>The real fear is that the UK leaving gives thegreen light for other nations to bail out when Merkel (or that gay fag that's her potential successor) inevitably decides to go full cuck again on refugees.
The only reasons that the US has to oppose the collapse of the EU is short-term financial instability, and the risk of Eastern states falling into Russian influence. If they could guard against those risks, I'm sure they would welcome the collapse of a competitor.
>NATO's post-Cold War rapid expansion across the continent coinciding with the EU's rapid expansion into Slavland wasn't a coincidence
Yes, and Britain was the foremost proponent of the Eastern enlargement. Other countries were much more sceptical, France most of all. There's a good chance that if not for Britain, the enlargement would not have happened, or at least not as quickly or as soon. It was the US interest to bring the ex-Eastern bloc countries into the EU, in order to keep them out of the Russian sphere. However, the enlargement greatly jeopardised or even killed the European project (that is deepening union, eventual federalisation), as the more countries you have, the harder it becomes to integrate further. Britain also wanted a broad union rather than a deep one.
So you have cited a perfect example of Britain furthering American interests in the EU.
Aye lads
How bout an american union?
USA, Canada and all of south america is now one big country. USA and Canada now have to send billions of its money to south american countries to support them. Your laws are made in Argentina and you have to let all Mexicans into your country and provide for them.
personally think brexit is a wrong idea with invalid ideals but starting to feel shit likely will be real, seeing after the shooting they still havent changed their minds.
its ok, then all i hope is pound becomes a fucked up shit currency.
It's somehow bad for us idk not that would even be a consideration point for them
>>60940215
Yeah I guess to leave is the only thing that will stop this farce.
Good luck.
>>60940149
>I'm sure they would welcome the collapse of a competitor.
>competitor
lol
>So you have cited a perfect example of Britain furthering American interests in the EU
The tail wags the dog, eh?
And I'm guessing that all those European politicians that belong in American puppet organisations like the Council on Foreign Relations are secretly scheming on how to break free of American imperialism ASAP?
>UK leaves
>France in deep turmoil
this is it Germania, it's our time to shine again
>>60940224
Sometimes you have to risk something to go forward Japan-kun.
I hope the best for UK.
>>60940224
How's the debt going jappo?
>>60940256
Face it lad, the UK doesn't give a rat's arse about the colonies anymore, there's almost no point to use being under the crown except for ceremonies n shit.
>>60940281
Chang go home
>>60937624
Shit opinion
>>60940270
>And I'm guessing that all those European politicians that belong in American puppet organisations like the Council on Foreign Relations are secretly scheming on how to break free of American imperialism ASAP?
Obviously every EU country is in the American sphere of influence, but in differing degrees. Britain has always aligned itself heavily with the US since the end of WWII, while France for example has not, at least relatively speaking (Britain's nuclear deterrence is dependent on the US for example, while France was offered the same solution, they refused it to develop their own). So maybe France and Germany are American puppets, but they still did not follow America into Iraq.
>>60940329
What on earth made you think I'm a chinky? I'm Tauranga born and raised mate.
>>60940378
>TGA
sorry to hear that matey
I for one am an arrogant duck student who apposes the establishment and supports democracy so Ibdhall be voting stay. Love me a bit of Somalian rape.
They should just leave. Literally no harm in doing it and they can become economically independent
>>60937031
I voted leave on my postal vote desu.
No idea, seems very split, though I've met more brexit people than remain.
>>60938025
You aren't wrong my friend
>>60939775
But that doesn't make any sense, why would her murder actually change people's views?
>>60940406
they already are independent
inb4 some meaningless toaster tax
>>60940215
>become even more americanised than we already are
'no'
>>60940395
>apposes the establishment and supports democracy
>is remain
>these people exist
What's funny is lefties who hate capitalism defending staying in when the only benefits are economic.
>>60940357
To be honest I'm not even sure it can be called American imperialism though. It's more like corporatist/globalist.
I mean they're clearly not working in a purely American interest when their advocates chimp out over Trump daring to suggest that "America's allies" pay their fair share of military costs
>>60940394
>hating on the comfiest city in the country
Let me guess, you're an arrogant Aucklander living in a cramped shithouse that cost $700,000 or a country bumpkin fucking sheep all day, which is it?
>>60940543
Enjoy you oversized retirement village cunt
>>60940513
>Only benefits are economic.
What about being allowed to move and work in other cultures and legislations in the union?
>>60940561
Better than living in an oversized minority containment zone desu.
>>60940607
Only benefits scummy eastern euros who can come here and leech.
They should leave.
The murder of Jo Cox shows that they will face destructive civil unrest if they don't.
IN.
Poland doesn't want Brexit because we need UK as a host for our gastarbeiters. Moreover, our financial experts say that Brexit could weaken not only GBP but also our currency, which is already weakened by our conflict with the EU. Brexit could also cause WW3, that's what mr Cameron said.
>>60940632
Benefits me as I can go to southern or eastern Europe, learn strange languages, drink cheap alcohol and look at beautiful architecture and... Stuff.
Just leave already. Be all-in or all-out but not this half-assed shit.
>>60940808
>polish financial experts
>>60940834
Do you think you have to be in the EU to go on holiday?
>>60940808
>mfw we leave the EU and declare war on Poland
>>60940632
For example Northern Ireland would be pretty fucked once thery suddenly need visas to go to Ireland.
EU can absolutely do tht and it has no reason not to.
>>60940607
They are not in the Schengen Area so this doesn't accounts.
>>60937031
Hope it doesn't happen because I could lose my job
No one gives a flying fuck about the precious UK unless the Queen visits or we're changing the flag
>>60940891
>Northern Ireland
Who fucking cares lol
>>60937624
>open borders with UK and Japan
>weaboos think this will make loads of Japanese QT's come to Britain
>instead our pakis just go to Japan and make it a fucking shithole
don't do it
>>60940891
Norway and Switzerland are also not in the EU and you don't need a Visa to go there.
This is not an argument to stay.
>>60940329
>cuck to the queen
A Lithuanian cunt is 10x more likely to get a job in the UK than YOU even though YOU have THEIR flag on YOUR flag
pUKe dont want us anymore
>>60940942
not to mention treaties for free movement in ireland predate the EU
>>60940946
lichunkkwok, please
>>60940958
give me a job then cunt
>>60940855
We send from UK to Poland around 2 bln euro / year. This money helps normal average Poles to build beatiful houses here, makes lives of gastarbeiters' families easier, we also pay our debts in Polish banks much faster, because you can earn 3x-4x more nominally in UK than in Poland. You don't need an economics genius to guess that if we were deprived of this source of money, our currency could be weakened a little bit.
>>60940942
But they have a treaty with EU.
Once UK leaves EU there's a window (two years I think) for negotiating new treaties. If that fails (and any salty cunt can easily ensure that it does) it's visa time for UK.
>>60940999
no it isn't you stupid idiot, open borders with ireland predates the EU
fuck me you are dumb
kill yourself
>>60940989
>the joke
>your head
>>60937031
>What is your opinion on Brexit?
Leave, the EU is useless is only causes more harm.
>What are your countrymen's opinion on Brexit?
They think the EU is a bureaucratic hell covered with political correctness and that Britain would only benefit from leaving it.
>>60940999
Switzerland and Norway also have treaties with the EU.
I don't see any problem there.
Is UK excluded to have treaties with the EU?
>>60940808
>could trigger WW3
Lmao this nigga gives himself and Britain way too much credit.
>>60941024
I am speaking generally. Even if I am wrong about Brexit leading towards ending the free movement treaty with Ireland, enjoy visas to Spain.
>>60941049
>Leave, the EU is useless is only causes more harm.
EU is good. It makes Germany more brown and less racist, it gives 12 bln euro to Poland every year and it gives Poles possibility to work for Western salaries. As if i said that Israel-USA relations are bad, and you shouldn't take these 2 bln dollar of donations every year.
>>60940933
So you don't want your Pakis to leave?
>>60941079
The EU benefits poor countries but fucks over rich ones
>>60941067
>Lmao this nigga gives himself and Britain way too much credit.
Don't you mean all Brits?
>>60941052
>If that fails (and any salty cunt can easily ensure that it does) it's visa time for UK.
Anyone butthurt about Brexit can prevent them from having treaties.
>>60941079
I agree though, we shouldn't take those donation and instead be more independent. I'm also deciding from the point of view of what's best for Britain, not for anyone else.
>>60941105
Well, you gain massively on EU as well. You are supplied with highly qualified and intellectual Polish workforce that makes your job market much more competetive and improves economical potential of your companies
>>60937031
They should leave and prove it's not the end of the world so that other countries may leave as well.
Once sufficent number of cunts are out of the 4th Reich, new trade agreements and such can be forged and hopefully out of hindsight nobody gets the bright idea to attempt another EU again.
>>60940858
Requiring getting a Visa would make holidaying abroad more tiresome. Also maybe I want to work or study abroad for some years in my youth or when I get old or whatever. Without open borders for work then I'd have to spend lots of time and work getting visas or permits or even citizenships. It would be bad for peoples' freedom.
Also the likely tariffs would be bad because I really like british beers and ales and scotch and those would probably become more expensive if brexit happens.
>>60940893
Yes, but if brexit was to happen there's a larger chance the foundations of the union also will be questioned and Schengen was one of the early things which lead up to EU wasn't it.
>>60941105
>but fucks over rich ones
For example Germany, right?
Brexit the best
>>60941151
Germany benefits from the EU the most. I even have a theory that EU was created only to boost German economy. They need eurozone with a lot of failed countries inside like Greece f.e. to weakened euro-currency, which artificially improves export of Germany. If Germans had to have their own currency, it would become ultrastrong very fast and it could endanger their export-potential.
>>60941128
I think EU is more serious than simply butthurting through decisions.
>>60941132
kek
>>60941198
But according to Brits, EU fucks over rich countries.
>>60941147
You wouldn't need a visa, with a UK passport I can go to millions of countries who are obviously not in the EU without a visa
>>60937031
>What is your opinion on Brexit?
They should leave. The EU prevents the UK for creating its own immigration laws, plus all serious bills have to go to the EU after Parliament has decided on them, which is bullshit. The vote should end in Britain, no need for Greeks and Germans (and soon maybe even fucking Turks, for God's sake) to vote on British matters. Also, though the UK used the pound, if the EU forced them to switch to Euros it would royally fuck their economy. So I'm very pro-Brexit, the only benefit is military security but the US definitely has their back, plus Germany and France are way too weak and cucked to do anything on the mainland any time soon.
>What are your countrymen's opinion on Brexit?
Dunno 2bh, I've brought it up in various companies and I've heard a lot of opinions. Generally, people don't seem to care/know too much about it. I asked super liberal people and they were kinda half and half, and conservatives definitely want Britain to exit the EU (but, like I said, they aren't very passionate about it). People who know about the issue fairly well, like myself, tend to be very pro-Brexit just because of the American mindset, I think. To us, the EU is like a big faggy roleplay session where people weaken themselves for "humanitarian reasons".
>>60941219
I think that Brits are hysterical about money that Poles send from UK to Poland instead of spending it in UK and investing in British economy. They are not happy about the fact that most of Polish gastarbeiters in UK are there only temporarily, not permanently. That's why they would gladly replace Poles with immigrants who plan to stay in UK forever, like muslims or Hinduses f.e.
>>60941219
I meant in terms of migration and other shit.
Germany had to bail out Greece I'm sure they weren't happy about that.
>>60941207
Ensuring its own survival by giving the other malcontents an example of what happens if they leave is a good enough cause I think.
>>60941246
>all that /int/-/pol/ memery
>>60941251
We would gladly replace Poles with nobody because your immigrants are scum who don't integrate and fill up our prisons.
>b-but they send money home so it's okay!
If the EU was just a trading bloc and maybe just letting white working immigrants mvoe around it would be fine. But when the EU does things like make countries which don't want refugees pay a fine, or taking official stances against countries like Poland for electing a right wing government, you can't really support it.
Vote Leave.
>>60937031
are those polls as reliable as the last election polls? they swing a lot in just a few days. also sample size is 1-2k that's hardly representative.
also you should stay. If you leave you will pay just as much money just to get access to the single market (like Norway) but without any representation.
Remember brits, there are EU elections, but who elects the house of lords?
>>60941240
Still need to struggle with permits to do almost anything except holidaying.
>>60941289
There are EU elections which are completely meaningless.
Was Junker elected?
>>60941289
>also sample size is 1-2k that's hardly representative.
Yes it is
>also you should stay
What if they don't want to pay a fine for not taking refugees? What if they want to chose who they can deport?
>>60941198
Germany is a falling country.
Roughly 50% of our youth stucks in not safe jobs and earns on average 20% less for more work than the previous generation.
There is no chance of ever achieving wealth or buy your own home.
It's media propaganda with Germanys ultra economy to attract cheap workers from other countries.
Don't believe everything you see on television, come her and see for yourself.
>>60941309
My mate has moved to Norway to live with his gf and has about 6 months to find work before they kick him out.
Do you think he should be able to stay there indefinitely because of 'muh freedom'?
leave and let us build our nice little Berlin-Moscow-Beijing (and Rome) axis
>>60941258
>I meant in terms of migration
How? As far as I know, Germans practicaly invited Syrians in and only have themselves to blame and UK isn't in the Shengen so it can close its borders to any shengen area undesirables it desires.
>and other shit.
Like what?
>>60941342
But it is possible for a Pole to work 5 years in Germany or UK and buy new apartment in Poland. I did it! :)
EU is cool, moreover it really boosts your export-based economy. And the healthier German economy is, the better for Poland because we are connected with each other tightly.
>>60941342
>Don't believe everything you see on television, come her and see for yourself.
The German economy is good, your problem is refugees.
>>60941289
holy shit there are representatives of the church in the house of lords
>>60941283
what's the general mood among normies towards brexit in the republic, irelandbro?
>>60941348
yes, why not?
>>60941265
Yeah, I'm sure EU is such a hard buisness. It can't even make decisions for itself since all countries go in different directions.
Less countries in the EU would improve it's efficieny and it is nice to start with least important ones like UK.
>>60941367
If we try to close our border the EU will say it's racist and goes against human rights.
First world countries don't need to be in some shitty superstate thing telling them what to do, they can handle themselves. Why does an economic union need to dictate what countries can and can't do?
>>60941342
>Don't believe everything you see on television
Most I get to see on TV and read on the Internet is actually lots of propaganda that Germany would be invaded by refugees by the millions and it would supposedly be failing.
>>60941394
Because it would mean any old cunt can just move to Norway and be a leech without putting anything back into the economy?
>>60941416
Well life her is hard as long as you aren't a pole or Bulgarian who can go with the money back to his home with much lower living costs.
>>60941403
>Can't make decisions.
That's a feature and not a bug. The point of the union is that people and money are allowed to move as they want, not that it should decide everything and nothing about all member countries.
>>60941342
>There is no chance of ever achieving wealth or buy your own home.
>But it is possible for a Pole to work 5 years in Germany or UK and buy new apartment in Poland. I did it! :)
I bet German can suck cocks and swallow semen in Switzerland for five years and get a house too.
>>60941438
>a leech
if you pay for stuff and pay taxes you're not a leech
there are millions of old brits spending their retirement in Spain
>>60941415
>Why does an economic union need to dictate what countries can and can't do?
Because it is an union of different copuntries with different interests, you dumbass.
>>60941484
He's living with his girlfriend sitting on his arse all day, why would he pay taxes.
Those millions of old brits are all plebs who don't integrate and they're shit as well, I'm sure Spaniards would love to kick them out.
>>60941477
Switzerland is already overfilled with Germans.
They have even started to make restrictions on us.
>>60941518
So putting countries with different interests together and telling them what to do is a good idea?
>>60941522
>>60941522
he still pays for the stuff he consumes though, he doesn't get free money. there's no argument in your favour apart from xenophobia
>>60941553
It depends on how different their interests are.
>>60941553
>Believing countries have interests.
No they don't. People have interests. People who may or may not be working in politics or bureaucracy in various countries' government.
>>60941349
I doubt anyone would want you in their axis after the last two times t.bh
You just know it's going to be a "close one" with 51% remain and 49% leave
Its ultimately a good thing that it's most difficult member decides to leave. So Brexit is only a good thing.
>>60941567
>xenophobia
Nice argument mate, you win!
Pakis would all flood in and stick to their own communities if immigration laws are lax, it happened to us. They might pay for the things they consume but they're not integrating, it's not all about money mate.
>>60941607
The chechen was the one who said countries have interests lad
>>60941320
>There are EU elections which are completely meaningless.
can you be less specific please?
>Was Junker elected?
as what? president of the commission?
the council (consists of the heads of state/government of the member states, which are democratically elected) nominated him
and the EU parliament (whose members are elected by the people aka democracy) voted for him.
>>60941649
Yeah but you did nothing to try and pinch a hole in the misleading concept.
>>60941653
So we're voting for people who may or may not vote for someone we want?
That's fucking stupid, why don't we just get a direct vote?
>>60941610
This is correct and the actual final results of the referendum. Screenshot this post.
>>60941330
well they could just fight against it. pretty stupid to get a divorce just because the curtains are the wrong hue
>>60941625
that's literally xenophobia and racism for you, pol tier logic
people should be able to move where they want in europe as long as they're not leeching off public finances
>>60941607
Can a group of people have define its own interests?
The only country that gains the most on disintegration of the EU is Russia. Don't forget about it, folks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpYQ-DcccGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2W-w56Cg2k
>>60937733
Based Germanbro telling it as it is.
Britain, by leaving the EU, would only accomplish one thing, and that is to effectively change their status in the EU from voting member to non-voting member.
>>60941691
do you get to vote on who gets to be the UK's prime minister?
also how would a single person run for office in europe? one guy campaigning in 28 countries?
>>60941716
Are you from reddit? Can you form a proper argument?
How is being against non-integrating immigrants being afraid of foreigners and thinking your race is superior?
>people should be able to move where they want in europe as long as they're not leeching off public finances
That's your opinion, but in mine they shouldn't. If you move to another country you should become part of that country. it's a place with culture, tradition etc, it's not just a fucking job centre.
>>60941717
Yes they can and they do. But those interests are in reality very rarely shown everywhere but rather kept hidden as much as possible.
>>60941758
You vote for the party of the prime minister, ignoring our stupid voting system you can choose who is the PM by voting for the party.
You don't get that in the EU do you?
>>60941758
>one guy campaigning in 28 countries?
That's kinda what happens here.
And yes it's a probably a bad idea.
>>60941704
>hue
Don't say this word, they can smell it, it'll attract them
>>60941691
also may I remind you that the uk upper house consists of members that are not democratically elected and yet you and everyone else in the uk does not care?
the church of england has 26 seats in it, that would equal the votes of over 2 milion people IF it was an elected body
>>60941808
Your PM votes that was elected by the parlament that you voted.
I mean it's very indirect but you seem to not know about EU much.
>>60940395
its not rape if you love it saxiib
>>60937031
I had been worried that there was a real chance Brexit was going to happen for a while. But when I finally propperly looked at the numbers and realized it was probably not going to go through, I got didn't feel relieved, I felt dissapointed. The UK never really participated in the EU anyway and I was looking forward to an EU without them being obstructionists and the american influence coming prrimarialy through them.
>it will le destroy economy
>zero proof that hasn't been debunked
>half of economists say it will have little effect
The most important thing however is keeping Britain's sovereignty in all matters concerning them and possibly causing a domino effect (netherlands, denmark...) which ultimately could either destroy EU or force it to go back to being just a trade union instead of a political tariff union. The federalists are on suicide watch and full damage control mode now, ever since WW2 they have tried to create USE and now those damned Brits might ruin it all.
>>60941892
They don't really have any power and if they say no to something commons can just override them.
>>60941283
>taking official stances against countries like Poland for electing a right wing government, you can't really support it.
Said government violated our constitution and has established a record number of laws. There's serious talk of putting them on trial once it runs its course.
Plus that fucking government of ours does its best to further antagonise our relationship with Russia. Both sides want a bunch of pissed off rednecks, angry retards are easier to control.
>>60941970
>does its best to further antagonise our relationship with Russia
Russia decides about level of escalation in relations with Poland, not we. Besides we don't have to be nice to Russia, because we are second biggest buyer of their energocarriers in Europe.
EU should have been just the original six or even just France, Germany, and Benelux (ex. Italy).
Then, EU would already have full political integration in addition to full economic integration.
UK and others in the next 9 countries to join (EU-15 ex. EU-6) should have got separate regime for trade and standards integration without immigration or political integration.
Further expansion eastward should have been just trade integration with special preferred work visa system.
>>60941912
Nah you're right, where can I learn about the structure of the EU?
>>60942046
>EU should have been just the original six or even just France, Germany, and Benelux (ex. Italy).
>>60942045
>Russia decides about level of escalation in relations with Poland, not we.
I have no delusions about who's in control here but at least we could stop taking the fucking bait and avoid strengthening the Russian propaganda.
>>60942050
I'm sure google can help you.
>>60942095
Russian propaganda works against Poland for last 2 decades and you just realized it? Wow, better late than never.
>>60942046
The current record dissatisfaction with EU among member nation citizens is direct result of the Maastricht Treaty (Euro: premature monetary integration before the economies have harmonized) and the Lisbon Treaty (political integration before cultures have melded in a meaningful way, creating the "European Consensus" among EU citizens).
>>60941772
>integrating
such a beatiful meme word to hide your hate for brown people
>>60942046
we are one of the few cunts in the EU that got its shit together, leafy
>>60942166
If you can't have a proper discussion m8 then leave
>>60942045
>Besides we don't have to be nice to Russia, because we are second biggest buyer of their energocarriers in Europe.
Stop thinking in economic terms alone. It's in our best interest to have better relationship with the citizens simply because it'll make it more difficult for their government to justify any aggressive acts against us. Their country has the potential to change and overthrow their corrupt elite but we're letting their politicians divert their attentions to "the hostile Western countries that hate the Glorious Russia".
>>60942114
What the fuck are you talking about? Where did you get that notion?
>>60942166
Life aside brown people for a while and you may get the hate.
You are fully homogenous the brits are dissolving from the inside in a way that splits the nation more then the wales/irish/english/scottish rift ever could.
>>60942213
>Life aside brown people for a while and you may get the hate.
It actually heals my hate. Turks are pretty ok, I don't understand the hate they get here.
>>60942206
The stronger and richer Poland becomes, the more Russians/Ukrainians/Belarusians can travel here and see themselves that Kremlins propaganda about our country is completely failed, the more Kremlin intensifies anti-Polish media campaigns. You have no influence on it. Even if we tried to be pro-Russian bitches like Czechs or Austrians, it won't help us, because Russia perceives our country as a geopolitical competition in this region of Europe.
>>60942190
looks like I hit a nerve there, economy runs the world, not your crumpets and tea, freedom of movement is one of the pillars of a free trade agreement between countries. Go on, close your borders and see how well it turns out for you
"""Integration""" he says
>>60942166
I'm not dissing Italy as undeserving of union (Italy isn't given enough credit for how much fiscal restraint it has exercised in the past two decades), but pointing out the economy of Italy isn't as tightly coupled with France and Germany as their economies are to each other.
>>60942277
Nice argument, you should be a politician
>>60938025
Thanks for your input, worst Korea.
>>60942303
just take a look on our import-export ties with them
>>60942254
Turks are ok from certain districts were they got assimilated.
Surely, you can talk and live besides the stereotypish ones too, but while you can get along individually you know their differences to an extend then that you realise that their presence in greater numbers hurts the country as a whole.
Also fuck circumcision and the cunts that now start thrillkilling "potatos" in groups. Its the shame shit that went on in the east in the 90s with skinheads fucking up individuals for fun, with us as the target now in the west.
>>60942277
>freedom of movement is one of the pillars of a free trade agreement between countries
Not at all. Plenty of free trade agreements don't entail shengen-style freedom of movement.
Also not wanting pakis in your country is a healthy attitude.
>>60942276
>The stronger and richer Poland becomes, the more Russians/Ukrainians/Belarusians can travel here and see themselves that Kremlins propaganda about our country is completely failed
Yes, exactly.
>the more Kremlin intensifies anti-Polish media campaigns. You have no influence on it.
Their propaganda isn't as effective when we stop responding to it, stop giving them more ammunition to shoot us with.
>Even if we tried to be pro-Russian bitches like Czechs or Austrians, it won't help us, because Russia perceives our country as a geopolitical competition in this region of Europe.
I never said we'd have to agree with Russia on anything, just ignore the completely pointless bullshit like the whole deal with monuments that pleases the tiny part of out population under the disguise of 'defending our dignity' at the cost of shitting up the relationship even more.
>>60942478
>Their propaganda isn't as effective when we stop responding to it
When and how exactly our government responds on it?
>>60942277
>freedom of movement is one of the pillars of a free trade agreement between countries
What the fuck are you talking about?
>Go on, close your borders and see how well it turns out for you
Yeah, I mean it's not like there ever was a British Empire or anything before EU was created, haha.
>>60942434
actual free trade agreements must grant freedom of movement for labour, capitals and goods/services
if not it's just your half-assed bilateral convention. Brits not being able to handle pakis it's just their problem
>>60942418
I have no idea what you are trying to tell me.
I think turks in the north behave bad because that's what the enviroment their teched them. I mean northern Germans behave also very bad.
Here in the south people behave very civilized and so do turks.
You need strict values people can stick to, and a low tolelance towards those who don't and you have succesful integration.
But I think the cuck north is lost for this.
>>60942505
http://metro.gazeta.pl/metro/1,50145,4116319.html
>>60942600
Russians send agents to Poland who destroy these monuments, because literally few minutes afterwards you can see there Russian TV-station making photos of destructions. You want Polish government to spend millions on hiring guards protecting every single soviet monument in Poland so Russian agents were unable to destroy it? It is stupid
>>60942553
>actual free trade agreements must grant freedom of movement for labour, capitals and goods/services
There are several types of freedom of movement, free trade agreements have been signed all over the world and throughout history without entailing shengen type freedom of movement.
>Brits not being able to handle pakis it's just their problem
It's not that they're not able to handle them, there is no pros-cons analysis in which importing high numbers of pakis is a smart idea.
>>60940893
They're in the eurozone, you idiot. Everyone in the EEA (and Switzerland) can move and work there if they want. The fact that they're not in Schengen only means that you need a passport to enter the country.
>>60942641
>You want Polish government to spend millions on hiring guards protecting every single soviet monument in Poland so Russian agents were unable to destroy it? It is stupid
I never said that.
Britts will automatically join EFTA if they leave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Free_Trade_Association
>>60942688
>only means that you need a passport to enter the country.
No it means that they can decide themselves how strict their borders are.
>>60942725
We have also a lot of Ukrainians in Poland who lost their warm feelings for Russia 2 years ago. They may also destroy these monuments out of butthurt. It is surely more probable than theory about Poles doing it. Anyway, i think that we can't ignore Russian involvement in these provocations
>>60942660
yes there are, but they're leagues away from Maastricht, just read the TFUE will you? Free trade ultimately seeks a common market, aka the EU
>>60942788
Russia is not above using many under-handed or outright dirty tactics but blaming them for every outburst is paranoid. What's worse, it makes us be seen as such which causes out statements to be automatically dismissed (or at least heavily biased) when discussing things with Western countries. That is also driving a wedge between the Eastern and Western Europe.
>>60942865
>yes there are but
No "buts", you said it's one of the pillars when clearly it's not necessary. You're moving the goalpost.
>>60937031
brexit makes no economic sense for either britain or the eu. its retarded. i hope when uk leaves we really move to creating united states of europe, and that scotland will join the use.
>>60943001
I don't think that the scotish would enjoy anything more but sucking on little english wieners.
They are too cucky.
>>60942942
It's one of the pillars of a REAL free trade economy, (one market for everyone) the fact that countries around the world are too scared/not ready to enforce such a change is not an argument
it doesn't matter much, no one can stop globalization
>>60942766
By EU law, they still have to let any citizen of the EEA (and Switzerland) live and work there under the same conditions as UK citizens.
They can't opt-out of the single market.
Brits can move and work freely within the EU, and the same is true for the other way around.
The countries in Schengen are also allowed to control their borders if the need arises. That's why we've started controlling ferries coming from your country, and why you've started controlling your border with Austria.
>>60942566
Im trying to tell you that when turks are in the minority of small areas ethnically dominated by natives then they are often very assimilated and you always get along greatly with them.
The ones living in their little turkbubbles are very different from us the way they think about a lot of things. That becomes apparent when you get to know them a little bit better.
A friend of mine lifes at a school full of erdogan loving turkish nationalists for example who throw a hissyfit in biology class everytime evolution is mentioned.
If these people continue to get more numerous our political culture and thus the way we solve issues will be finally impacted as well.
North germans dont behave bad.
Its very lax and complacement attitude here tho,I only know bavarians have a much stronger identity and so im sure that youre low tolerance for bullshit may make it better there.
Dont know about Baden württemberg, they are great greenvoters, also have a lot of immigrants but also are rich.
>>60941610
Based Reality Check, any more elite tips?
>>60943217
my city is like 20-30% turks they have a lot of turk bubbles.
I think it's the conservative culture here that holds them in borders.
Just remember how the US was before the Nigger chimpout in the late 80s early 90s.
Conservative and strict in values.
>>60937031
It would be a disaster for England.
>>60937031
i dislike the EU but it's obvious we're not gonna leave.
>>60943301
It would be extremely painful.
So what happens if only the english want to leave but the scots, welsh and northern irish want to stay?
>>60943388
4 EU?
>>60940840
>Just leave already. Be all-in or all-out but not this half-assed shit.
1000x this
>>60937707
Of course.
Painful in the short term, beneficial in the long term for the rest of the EU and the UK. Euroskeptic countries like Britain, The Netherlands and others in Northern Europe should leave.
It will allow a proper politically unified European country to be created. The Euro, Migration crisis and all other issues are because the EU is a disjointed and non sovereign union.
>>60940469
Leftist media.
I think it's pretty retarded. Nobody else really cares about Britain.
>>60943403
nothing
>>60937031
I want Britain to stay in EU because Brexit may cause strong yen.
But Brexit seems better for British.
>>60937031
what is brexit? brazil exit or something
>>60940933
>implying that is a bad thing
