why are these countries shit even though they are white?
>>60898480
Transition to Capitalism
>>60898480
turkish mentality
proud about every shit
lazy
>>60898480
They are the reason why Greece has a shitty economy. Poor Greece, surrounded by a thick layer of shit.
why is china shit despite being asian?
>>60898518
This. It's not that they're lazy, it's just that they're too proud and macho to stoop to doing anything for another person without a bribe. This Ottoman mentality is quickly disappearing nowadays with globalization. Even as late as the 1960s you still had honour killings and bride kidnappings even among Christians in places such as Bosnia and Montenegro.
>>60898480
""""""""""""""""""""white"""""""""""""""""""""""
>>60898480
The long lasting legacy of Ottoman occupation.
Length of Ottoman rule correlates with lower literacy.
The countries went from feudalism to a very brief period of capitalism to be gifted away to Stalin at Yalta and communism to be implemented.
Thus with a bare bones pre communist economy the economic transition is extremely painful and riddled with corruption and embezzlement.
ex-yu countries have also taken a hit because of the war, and Serbia in particular because of the sanctions and bombings.
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>>60898856
>tfw even 19th century Frenchmen knew that Trst je naš
>>60898480
>shit even though they are white?
kek
>>60898856
And a bit of info for Bulgaria. Similar rates to the Serbian core territories.
>>60898869
I find the pocket of Croats in Romania fascinating.
And the shades from Serbians to Bulgarians from Pirot to Kyustendil.
Trst je uvek bio Slovenija dbi.
>>60898480
They passed through communism while you were fapping to Hirohito
>>60898480
Croatia and Albania are the only White countries there. The rest are some odd mixture of Turko-Slavic Muslims.
>>60898994
Here's something on the impact of communism.
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>>60899104
Hello Tonibler
>>60899187
And here is the impact of market communism on housing, Yugoslavia had good quality housing thank to it.
>>60899104
but albanians are mainly muslims.
And romanians/moldovians are not (and also daco-roman-slavs or soemthign like that)
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>>60899390
Proud Illyrian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2rTafbQepg
>>60898480
The same reason all countries are shit. There's people living in them.
>>60898480
Jewish-like tribalism, bribery, nepotism, backstabbing, crab-in-bucket mentality and Ottoman heritage. Over here, we lie to each other that we're better than Northern Europeans because we value religion and the family unit. That's complete bullshit really, I've met so many "Christians" that think abortion is more convenient than condoms or pills.
Another example, I was in the bank the other day and there's this moron, shouting and making a fool of himself, demanding more money from the teller even though we have a capital control policy enforced. You cannot withdraw more than 120 euros a day, but regardless he started telling his life story about how his daughter will baptise his grandkid, he really loves the kid or some shit like that and he needs special treatment. I was just standing there behind him, cringing and waiting in line.
Honestly, if I have to try and convince people around me to stop for a moment and self-reflect, then this place isn't worth it.
Ps. WE WUZ PHILOSOPHUZ N' SHIET, GIBS ME DAT.
>>60899390
European Muslims are very different from the durka durka sandnig Muslims like the Serbs.
![KhanKrum[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lDfVv9l.jpg "KhanKrum[1].jpg")
We are only European in language and religion if you don't count the Muslims. Culturally we are not. "Balkan" should be a separate cultural sphere from Europe entirely.
>>60899492
We are on the crossroads of civilizations.
Thus getting fucked by 3 civilizations was unavoidable.
>>60898480
Whats so shit about us? I love my life here even thought most of us are poorfags compared to you and western Europe.
I wouldn't trade it for 8-10 hours of work and your lifestyle if money is I dont care how high.
You fags have no idea what you're missing
https://youtu.be/0a5BJxrarL0
![immigrants[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qNh8Pcx.jpg "immigrants[1].jpg")
>>60899532
Well we are receiving very little fuckage right now in comparison to Western Europe. Let them and their Arab invaders duke it out while we watch for a change.
>>60899532
>getting fucked by 3 civilizations
the west literally didn't do nothing wrong tho
if you all just listened to us like smart slovenia you'd all be rich like slovenia
proof : >>60898520
(it's too late now tho and croatia joins the eu just when the eu starts collapsing lmao)
>>60898801
The Ottoman Empire was a mistake.
Byzantine should have won.
>>60899662
Just to clarify for Montenegro Slovenia and Croatia who have somewhat high numbers.
Croatia and Slovenia have a lot of Bosnian immigrants.
Montenegro has Serbs of Montenegrin origin from Serbia. But 90% of them migrate to Serbia for winter and university.
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>>60899662
For a short summary of informative posts/pics
>>60898670
>Serbia in particular because of the sanctions and bombings.
we had full scale war damnit
>>60898520
Why is Spain so poor
>>60899833
It was later, we entered economic transition in 2001.
And from 1993 to 1999 Serbia looked like Venezuela today.
>>60899662
>17%
yeah maybe but those are croats mostly
>>60899893
we had billions euros of damage that had to be repaired though
still do
>>60899663
>listened to us like smart slovenia you'd all be rich like slovenia
You are forgeting something here. Slovenia was historically always a part of the west, we were never considered Balkan until the 20th century. We didn't listen to the west, we are the west (culturally, not economically)
>>60899972
Same.
Because they are slaves.
>>60899878
because politicians and big companies steal everything.
But we dont care we have football and wasap so its ok.
>>60900068
not really but yeah you had some shit on your back too
>>60899714
They would have without the Franks and Venetians crusade.
The west is partially responsible for the Fall of Constantinople.
>>60898994
Didnt know i was a shade form serbian to bulgarian. This explais why i like serbian narodna musica so much. Nazdrave!
>>60900115
The NATO bombing alone damage was 30 billion $. That was 1.5x out GPD at the time. And 2/3 of our current GDP. That's the best estimate, there are some overblown estimates of 100$ but i'm inclined to believe the lower one.
The add sanctions on top of that.
And you have a 6 year head start.
I'm not fighting, but we both have it pretty bad.
Have you been to Belgrade?
Most of the damage was still there up until like 2006. At the moment the ruined general staff building is being deconstructed.
>>60900185
>Fall of Constantinople.
Good riddance. Greeks were faggots anyway.
>>60898480
communism.
>>60900279
we had whole towns and villages destroyed
and burned to the ground that had to be rebuild
almost every town that had jna bas had its church destroyed by "jna"
vukovar was completely destroyed and now its pretty much restored and that shit alone took a fuckload of money and we still have quite a lot of minefields that need to be cleared
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>>60900068
after 20 years?
how though, rebuilding takes a decade at most for major infrastructure shit.
>>60900185
They deserved it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins
>>60898480
The is truth they were shit in the past and most probably will remain shit. Now some retards may argue and point out a period when his shitty nation had temporary rise(cultural or economical) but that doesnt change the fact that OVERALL it was always shitty and unsignificant. Tell me one great medieval balkan city that was of great European importance? Yeah exactly
>>60900443
>inb4 Dubrovnik
>>60900423
buildings are pretty much all restored by now
except vukovar tower which was left to serve as memorial even though it seams that we will rebuild that too,but now minefields are biggest problem,those near towns and villages are cleared but there are a lot of minefields on remote areas in the mountains that are hard to clear
>>60900423
Pair it up with economic transition, widespread corruption and shady privatizations (eg. a guy bought 3 sugar cane mills for 1$).
>>60898480
>albania
>white
>romania
>white
>>60899431
>fuck empathy amiright?
I am so sorry you had to experience that at the bank, your cringing must have ruined your day.
assholes like you cant immigrate fast enough
>>60900279
mate, vietnam had a fuckton worse bombing and a decade long sanction but its economy has been doubling every decade. same with japan and germany going full throttle to full development in the 50s and 60s.
war hardly really matters after a decade or two. your government allowed to executed people for corruption?
>>60900516
check vietnam population m8
>>60900484
okay, corruption i can understand. still corruption isn't too bad if its just kickbacks and not stalling projects.
>>60900481
okay, that sounds shitty though desu. btw you have really nice buildings but no skyscrapers? do you guys have a business sector functioning?
>>60900185
the venetian crusade was literally a jewish trick though
much like NATO bombings, which were also a jewish trick
they do it to keep christianity divided, don't believe their lies
>>60899878
not white.
>>60900557
you're right. are you guys moving towards surviving off touristbux like greece or building up other sectors?
tourism is great but kinda unstable t b h.
>>60900568
we can't have business sector without skyscrapers?
>>60900617
yeah but now turkey is unstable and grecee is shite so we could have substantias increase in tourismbux this year
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>>60900484
Serbia has not moved forward in 30 years with every government being full of thieves.
There is no single politician in Serbia that doesn't have a shady background/relationship. Even the new guy that a lot of people voted for has skeletons in his closet.
There is a lot of money laundering going on.
Plus we have a crap credit rating.
>>60900569
We dindu nuffin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_%281204%29
>Although the Venetians engaged in looting too, their actions were far more restrained.[citation needed] Doge Dandolo still appeared to have far more control over his men. Rather than wantonly destroying all around like their comrades, the Venetians stole religious relics and works of art, which they would later take to Venice to adorn their own churches.
>>60900569
4th crusade even sacked zadar a catholic town lel
>>60900442
which was forced by the latins chimping out, which was provoked by forced trade agreements, which was made b something else etc, etc.
Everyone was to blame.
>>60900646
its not really efficient, i've yet to see major country with a good financial sector without skyscrapers.
even in paris you have la defense. i don't really know your country but i'm sure you have room to build up your major cities.
>>60900655
hmm okay.
quality of life improving though? eg healthcare, social care, access to goods/schools/basic stuff?
>>60900711
nah its not efficent we're shit there too bureaucracy is too complicated and hostile to investors
>>60900655
And the debt to GDP has doubled from 2008 to 2015. With the economic growth slowing to a crawl.
>>60900759
Schools are ok. Healthcare is somewhat ok with equipment, but bogged down in bureaucracy to the point that if you need something quick you need to know a guy.
Higher education is good, but hard.
The wages are rather low.
And a lot of people are backwards thinking when it comes to the economy. Out business sector is ok, but a lot of people are "muh industry" fags.
>>60900853
All of that money probably ended up being pocketed by politicians.
>>60900507
Awww, who's the big guy, you're the big guy, with a heart of gold! :3
I tried to be nice before, it just doesn't work, people do not listen. But if you're an asshole that's a different story, then they do!
If there's one thing I like about the world, is that it doesn't care about your feelings. Please get out there and take a look around, pay a bill or two, but what am I saying, you probably one of the other lowlifes who voted us into slavery, or a subhuman leeching off your parents still.
>>60898480
Why is Serbia so huge? It should be divided into three or four countries.
>>60901199
Shhhh, don't trigger the Serbs
People here are extremely primitive. The mentality is very toxic. People throw trash everywhere, the refuse to buy bus tickets, they cross the street at red light, they bribe cops to avoid tickets....They do everything wrong and everybody is convinced that politicians are solely responsible for our shittyness.
>>60899651
This t b h, foreigners are fed information on us only through mainstream media that portrays us as piss-poor, uneducated savages culturally stuck in the 90s.
The actual truth is that we know how to enjoy simple things in life like a cup of coffee with our friends at a local cafe or a good genocide
>>60901322
>buy bus tickets
This, holy fucking shit this.
>>60900853
jesus christ, you are still under 1990 lvl?
thats ukraine tier...I know war and shit but still
>>60900961
look up "abundance mentality" and let this be the first day of your life :)
>>60901322
This, I've been riding the public transport tram for 3 years without buying a ticket. My justification is that I don't want to pay money to a shitty corrupt organization like ZET/Holding. Dat irony
>>60901423
Serbia has twice the Ukrainian GDP per capita, and it was almost the same in 2000.
Ukraine must have some next level corruption.
>>60898480
Communism
In short
shitty gommie defeatist mentality
stupid amounts of pride
corruption out the ass
all the smart able young people emigrating to other countries
>>60901396
When I was in Belgrade I wanted to buy a bus ticket and I was traveling a very short distance. I was verbally attacked by a man inside the bus. He was yelling at me "Are you crazy?Why would you buy a ticket you idiot"
>>60901676
kek
>>60901547
Communism? During so called "communism" those counties were doing pretty well, now they're full of corruption and constant wars+hate+being divided (especially Bosnia that has 3 presidents) can't really contribute to a powerful country.
>>60901423
Romania and Bulgaria will pass most the arrogant wannabe 1st level countries such as Czech Rep. and the rest of the 2nd class Germans in terms of wealth relatively soon.
A culture of nepotism, lies and corruption
Want to get a job done? Hire your retarded cousin who has no idea what he's doing who fucks up the job, then blame the government when you go out of business
Want to run a business? why bother selling good products or pricing your stuff competitively when you can just sell shit that's massively overpriced to your church friends and extended family by guilting them into shopping at your grimy little store with sob stories about bad business
Want to integrate into the community? why bother learning English and making friends and embracing Australian culture when you can squat in the gutter in gangs of 3-9 smoking and swearing in your guttural babble at anyone who walks by then whining about being oppressed
The only difference between balkan slavs and muslims is that that the slavs don't prey 5 times a day
STOP FUCKING IMMIGRATING HERE
>>60901676
Tbh, the only ticket worth buying is the monthly ticket for students.
>>60901427
Puppies and flowers mentality, lets hug it out bro ^.^ I am now a #CruzMissile.
Pay denbts
>>60901746
no they won't
>>60901759
s-sorry
>>60901841
thanks for proving the point of this thread :D
>>60901746
looks like the gap will be the same
>>60901737
we were only doing well because we had a civilized Slovenian as a babysitter.
>>60898670
>gifted to Stalin
I thought they had a leader that Stalin was always trying to kill. They were communist but not Soviet.
>>60899160
Are all of those adjusted for inflation or just the bottom one that explicitly says so?
>>60902189
Yes, but i'm talking about the entirety of Eastern Europe, we were still forced into communism, as the UK supported Tito, and cut the support for the Serbian monarchists.
>>60902038
Please sat still with your google economics.
Bulgaria is already over 20k, Romania is near to 25k.
>>60900507
So you're defending a guy making a scene and demanding special treatment? Please stay in your own country
>>60902273
Yeah that's true
Culture is a funny thing. It's everywhere but it's so hard to change
>>60902074
>Sl*venians
>civilized
>>60898480
>white
>>60902298
you are confusing ppp with gdp.
romania and bulgaria are still 1/6th of france and germany
>>60902298
haahahahahaahaahahahahaahahahahaahahaahah
>>60898571
> honour killings and bride kidnappings
If that was an Ottoman tradition why do only Kurds practice it?
>>60902298
do you get that flag when you post from bruessel?
>>60898480
>white
>>60902544
These are my thoughts when I look at the map and finally discover the shitstain of slovenia
>>60902729
Careful, slightly less poor shithole Hungary is about to bait, with literally 0 achievements besides sucking austrian cock and proudly presenting austrian architecture as its own. Literally the most talented free nation in Europe besides the baltics, good in absolutely nothing, geographically absolutely worthless, landscapes - 0 = Hungary.
>>60902983
>>60903068
Go away destroyer.
Croatia is not shit.
>>60903477
cant argue with dubs
ty random frenchman
>>60902576
>bride kidnappings
never heard about it in balkans
>honour killings
its was a thing(still is?) in albania nad montenegro
>>60902321
I am not defending anyone, its just the way this autist responds to strife. Its pretty obvious that he's jealous of the attention that old man gets.
Atleast he posted about it on 4chan and got the (You)s to satisfy his addiction.
attributed to jealousy towards the attention one's suffering
>>60903663
>attributed to jealousy towards the attention one's disregard this, my bad
>puts map of ottoman territory in europe
>wonders why
don't forget grease
>>60903702
wow really spazzing out there, might be time for a new keyboard
>attributed to jealousy towards the attention one's suffering.
Disregard this
>>60898480
>white
>>60898480
serious answer tho, they got colonized
this is what getting conquered and exploited does to you
as you can see how wonderful the world is now from all that colonialism
>>60902983
wait that flag
did you guys federalize while i wasn't paying attention?
>>60903870
>greece was a colony
wow, i didn't expect this to blow my mind
>>60898480
>Balkans
>white
Suuuuuure, anyway it's only because of geography , it's situated between 3 big superpowers and has been for a long time, for them to reach eachother they also had to conquer the balkans, the western europeans, ottomans, romans, russsians, commies, even the fucking Mongols, we just could not catch a break
>>60903870
T'was the waaait maaaan, he dun kill us 200 years ago and nao we shieeeet
Pleaaaaaase, it was fucking communism and the corrupt mindset it instilled in the people
>>60903663
>he's jealous of the attention that old man gets
Yes I enjoy acting like an uneducated entitled baby boomer who likes to waste peoples time, I also overheard him saying he regrets voting for the Far-leftist commie scum you love so much, they love bunnies and flowers too, after all. It was pretty easy to disregard the other things I pointed out in my original post, not sure who's the autist here since im not anxiously stumbling all over my words.
As I said, get some real world experience cuz the real world don't care bout ur feelingz, and I agree with the other guy you should stay here.
>>60904178
Agreed in part, a while ago the Greek public sector was forced to remove literally thousands of high school dropouts with forged management and other actuarial degrees, and now guess what, the commies in power are reinstating them because elections are coming soon.
For the most part, the peninsula didn't go through an Industrial revolution of sorts, but still there's no excuse for this much incompetence, I speak for Greece btw, im not familiar with other cases.
>>60900516
Vietnam is also a total shithole.
1975-1990 its economy barely grew. They were Africa-tier.
So it is not impressive to double their GDP.
>>60904990
having empathy means you vote Syriza
>wew lad
again, abundance mentality
>>60898801
>whole NW croatia occupied
DROPPED
>>60899220
italian building standards m8 + western loans
>>60898480
they blame ebil turks or ebil russians depending on their ideology.
actual answer, they are shit without an owner. they can't govern themselves. they should unite and try their luck again or they should ask their masters to rule them.
>>60900423
>rebuilding takes a decade at most for major infrastructure shit
>the UK didn't finish rebuilding from WW2 until the late 70s early 80s
