>when the US destabilizes the middle east, kills millions of people and funds terror organization for some cheap oil
>>60860794
Trust Germany, they know everything about destabilizing whole regions and killing millions of people.
>>60860794
this gentleman knew how to deal with kurd cancer.
>>60860794
Saddam deserved it
>>60860794
USA do not really import any oil from Iraq
they fucked the middle east over because there was a real possibility the oil producing countries to start trading their oil in different currencies - forcing USA to re-organize it's own economy as endless printing of money would become detrimental
so instead of managing it's own economy to be more sustainable, USA decided to fuck over a whole region for decades to come
>>60861025
saddam did absolutely nothing wrong
It was an accident!
>>60860794
>le blood for oil maymay
>implying oil prices didn't skyrocket when the war shut down production
>implying oil was ever part of the plan
Who writes this shit?
sadiam
>>60860794
Jealous much?
wen ur mom wont have sex with u
sad am
>>60860794
>war on terror created more terror
Saddam was an asshole who deserved to die.
>>60861349
This
>>60860794
>lightly banter Saddam
>the whole world gets angry
he a gud boi
>>60860794
>oil
>cheap
>>60861548
You are correct, but your reasoning is shit.
>>60861548
all the countries who left/were planning to leave the petrodollar just happened to be overthrown or invaded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wEftKtWS40
Lions of Iraq will return! Only right,never left!
>>60861695
>he believes the us propaganda
>>60861695
>deserved to die.
just like bush clinton and obama
It isn't about cheap oil but who they sell it too
There is a big difference
because Saddam totally wasn't a dictator or anything and totally didn't use oil money for shady deals and transactions
>>60861695
Yes, and we didn't have to blow up and occupy an entire nation for 9 years to accomplish that.
fuck yea tell em siberia
>>60861847
Ahh and so that makes what we did righteous and intelligent?
>>60861757
You can argue about whether it was geopolitically wise to overthrow him, since it allowed Iran to metastasize the country and sectarian divisions to play out, but as to him being a repressive mass murderer, there's no doubt.
>>60861858
That's a fair critique.
>saddam tried to kill his dad
>>60861906
>mass murderer, there's no doubt.
Worse than murricans?
>>60861847
yeah half a million people sure deserved to lose their lives so that US could be the one to make the shady deals instead
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W6syr1tjbgA
Obligatory video
Gaddafi warns Assad about the US and Assad laughs his ass off.
>>60861895
yes
saddam was a fucking saint
>>60861968
This.
>>60861968
Especially when he gassed his own people and threw them in woodchippers
>he a gud boi
>he bout to get his life back own track
The fact we got to kill Saddam makes the Iraq War worth it.
>>60861940
(You)
>>60861349
>saddam did absolutely nothing wrong
Iran, Kuwait, Kurds, Shia and most of his neighbor's may disagree.
>>60861710
>>60861349
That nerve gas was a false flag?
>>60862013
>butthurt over the truth
as to be expected from americans
I like Saddam. I really do.
We will avenge our friend Saddam one day, I do not wish to harm stupid and ignorant american people, but I want White house, Capitol and all other government shits to burn
also Bill Clinton must be impaled on a non greased spike
basher the ass rasher loling pure muslim joy for 14years straight
>>60862112
I like Saddam, but Servs are begging to be bombed once again.
>>60861741
Le Petrodollar
>>60862145
Nice argument Cletus
>>60862084
>Kuwait
Artifical country for rich sheiks
>Kurds
they were rebels, and like all other rebels he put them down efficently
>Shia and Iran
That was a mistake, but everybody makes mistakes eh
The man knew how to deal with nutjobs and he actually improved his country until you idiots removed him
>>60861955
So why doesn't America invade the DRC, NK, China, Vietnam, Laos, Azerbaijan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Morocco, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, Sudan, Rwanda, Turkmenistan, or Kazakhstan?
Why won't America do the "righteous and intelligent" thing?
>>60862143
ok Mehmet, you're on the list too my mutilated dick friend
>>60862084
>because some people don't like the guy, we should invade and occupy his country for 9 years
That's some Russian logic.
WE'RE SADDAM AND FINLAND
WE'RE SADDAM AND FINLAND
FUCK OFF SERBIA
WE'RE SADDAM AND FINLAND
Millions dead is a small price to give democracy and business opportunity for goy companies.
>>60862005
Your own cunt drone your own people. Not only that but your cunt put this bad boy in charge of Iraq in the first place and supported him in his war on Iran.
>>60862168
Its a common conspiracy theory that relies on the idea that our dollar is strong solely because countries use it for oil transactions. You might as well say lizard people told us to invade.
>>60862321
>petrodollar is a conspiracy
are you an idiot
>>60861682
Only in terrorist countries though
>>60862304
>Your own cunt drone your own people
Russian TV
>>60862173
>The man knew how to deal with nutjobs and he actually improved his country until you idiots removed him
>Yes improved.
You're also implying that the country could only improve with a dictator and forgetting that the Kurdish region is much better off now and that sectarian retardation and corruption isn't the actual cause of their current problems.
>>60862435
It's better off now because it hasnt been bombed to shit
>>60862260
I wasn't justifying that, I was responded to the statement he did nothing wrong. He did a lot wrong. He was a fucking maniac.
the wrong man got the noose that day
here here
*bangs gavel 3 times*
>>60862428
But we do
>>60862304
>Your own cunt drone your own people.
Yes, dildos like this guy who were at war with us and everyone who didn't think like him.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki
I unironically prefer ISIS and what we have now to the Middle East than Saddam's Iraq. If ISIS won it'd just turn into Saddam's Iraq.
>>60860794
We shared that cheap oil with you. So stop complaining
>>60862489
Okay. Everyone has done wrong.
Saddam did far more good than bad.
We now realize that.>>60861682
>>60862407
So America, France, and Russia?
>>60862342
Here's just one debunking of your idiotic beliefs.
http://www.businessinsider.com/economic-conspiracy-theories-2012-8
>>60860794
why are you guys not stopping the filthy americans from stealing from your common immigrants
>>60862640
>http://www.businessinsider.com/economic-conspiracy-theories-2012-8
>404
>>60862195
Yes, indeed why not? NK needs liberating for sure.
>>60862467
...and who bombed the Kurdish region....
>>60862260
Except that it's American logic. Russia never invaded cunts because it didn't like some dude. Afghanistan, Iraq and almost Syria were all about US disliking one dude and bombing his cuntree in the process.
>>60862617
>Saddam did far more good than bad.
no, just because he is not a terrorist doesn't mean all the bad he did is justifiable for the little good he did
Reminder that the American military complex that soared in WWII has needed to manufacture a new enemy to warmonger about every decade in order to stay afloat.
Peace is bad for business, silly goyim
>>60862684
>who bombed the people trying to invade the country?
I'd imagine it was Iraq defending their sovreignity
>>60862617
Uh, looks to me like deaths from terrorism in Western countries completely dropped off the chart after 2002
>>60862574
>If ISIS won it'd just turn into Saddam's Iraq.
Well yeah ISIS military commanders are all from Sadam's Baathist military.
>>60862691
Afghanistan was justified tbf
>>60862574
wew pham
When the United States originally took over Iraq they were welcome and seen as liberators. It wasn't until Sunnis and Shias started fighting each other that US forces had to stop violence. The reason half a million people died in Iraq was because insane religiously motivated jihadists started literally blowing each other up and killing civilians. This obviously escalates when civilians die in the crossfire and the West is blamed immediately. Sunnis can blow up a Shia mosque and kill 75 people but 2 kids are accidentally killed by a grenade and theres Muslim militias ready to behead American soldiers. Invading Iraq was a mistake, but don't entirely blame America for Muslims in the region killing each other over whos uncle should have taken over the caliphate 1400 years ago. Also blame Obama on the rise of ISIS, fucker literally did nothing to stop them from conquering territory the size of North Carolina
>>60862751
Which again, was caused by the US
>>60862793
>this delusion
You think you are seen as a liberator when you invade a country, kill their children and then throw it to the dogs
>>60862674
Just tried it again and it works fine for me. Maybe it's blocked in Swedistan.
>>60862762
no it wasn't
osama, a saudi, high tailed it to pakistan once the us invaded
so for like 4 years they were just dicking around and not fixing anything
>>60862679
Huh why does America support multiple dictatorships and install a number of them via coups in previously democratc countries?
>>60862684
The internationally recognized government of Iraq.
>>60862713
>what little good
well explain this>>60861682
Did he just happen to not have terrorists? I wonder if he had anything to do with that?
>>60862745
There were almost none in 2000 either you autist. It was only 2001.
>>60862751
(Citation needed)
who here knew sad on a personal level
and had a sleep over at one of his fortresses
>>60862916
me tbqh
>>60862915
>There were almost none in 2000 either you autist. It was only 2001.
Exactly, so you agree the War on Terrorism was a great success
>>60862793
>When the United States originally took over Iraq they were welcome and seen as liberator
No.
>>60862916
I did
>>60862872
The Taliban was openly sheltering a group that committed the worst terrorist attack on US soil. Osama hightailed it later, but he was originally based in Afghanistan.
Pakistan should have been invaded too, but it always needs to be handled carefully because nukes
>blaming americans for jewish interests
wew
>>60862736
>Oppress people
>They resist
>Use chemical weapons and bomb them
>Saddam a good boy just defending his democratic society against terrorists.
Yeah just ignore the gassed women and children.
Its sad that majority of americans dont understand this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4&index=49&list=LLMi2aeKCHH_aZ7YfI_30pFQ
Its scary that a lot of people think that its some conspiracy, this thing couldnt be more real or obvious.
Seriously I got nothing against american people, but goverment and people that run that country are insane.
Its just a matter of time when those smart ones do something stupid like Ukraine and start WW3 that would involve big shits like USA fighting Russia, Europe in chaos or end up humanity at the end.
>>60862793
>When the United States originally took over Iraq they were welcome and seen as liberators.
lol
>>60862949
Ahh so what are 2004 Madrid
2005 Paris
2009 Fort Hood
2013 Boston
2014 Nashville
2015 Chalie Hebdo
2015 Texas
2015 San Bernadino
2015 Paris
2015 Russia
2016 Brussels
2016 Orlando
Resounding success am I right?
>>60862793
USA = Daenerys tbqh
>>60863046
Compared to previous deaths from terrorism, absolutely.
>>60862691
>because it didn't like some dude.
Like ukraines new president?
>muh coup
It invades, because it likes some dude?
>assad
>>60862872
You might be beyond retarded. We gave them a demand to turn him over in the beginning and they refused. He didn't originally flee to Pakistan either.
>>60862982
the taliban asked for definitive proof that osama did 9/11, to which george bush refused to comply with. the taliban govt basically said "until you prove osama did it we feel morally obligated to refuse handing him over to the US" to which bush responded with invading the cunt
you don't remember after 9/11 where they even fucking blamed saddam for it?
>>60862794
>Throw out a brutal regime.
>They immediately return to being savages
Yeah who they are had nothing to do with it.
>>60863162
>Overthrow the government
>tell the old army to fuck off
yeah surely US cant be blamed
john wayne should have been iraks master
>>60860794
And when Germoney provides weapons and troops to aid them...
>>60863143
Iraq wrong, Afghanistan understandable
Unless you're implying Osama didn't do 9/11
us touches down
"who tf put anthony burch in charge here"
>>60862982
No it was not
>>60863143
>"give me proof Bin Laden did it"
>"okay, here's a videotape of him bragging about it and explaining how he did it before the attack even took place"
>"ehh...it's not enough. I don't think it would be MORAL to turn over this guy on such flimsy evidence"
>>60863207
This. Dissolving the Iraqi army was easily the worst foreign policy mistake the US ever made.
>>60863207
because the most rational response to this is crucifying faggots, beheading people of your same religion that share slightly different views, attempting to start a worldwide Islamic caliphate and strap suicide vests on retarded kids. Fuck off Ahmed
>>60863093
You mean the one 9/11 attack?
You realize 10 attacks that kill 500 is worse than one that kills 3000?
Terrorists have only become more successful, and more people are dying because of it.
How is that a success?
>>60863271
it set a deadly standard in the world where if you don't comply with the US, you get invaded for a 10+ year war
the goatfucker taliban literally wanted diplomatic measures for the capture and handing over of osama to which bush refused
the taliban govt wasn't legitimate imo but Bush responded with a war from 2001-2014 just to find osama and his lads
yet they found him hiding in a suspiciously large compound in pakistan
>>60863359
>You realize 10 attacks that kill 500 is worse than one that kills 3000?
Uh...no? Do you not know how to count or something? Can you tell me which number is bigger, 3000 or 500?
my word against yours
you have a stack of files
while i have my words to the judge on hand
>>60863235
?
>>60863162
>throw out brutal regime
Haha just ignore the 500,000+ in collatral damage and the fact we dissolved the military and government.
>immediately
Nope. 2012-2013 were the best years in Iraq since 2002.
>>60862915
>(Citation needed)
Do you live in a cave?
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-iraq-islamicstate/
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/analysis/2015/08/21/Where-is-Iraq-s-Baath-party-today-.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-saddams-former-soldiers-are-fueling-the-rise-of-isis/
>>60862195
America can invade anyone eventually. No country is safe except maybe Israel( since jews are behind this). You may laugh now at Ghaddafi, Al Assad and Sadam Hussain because they are just filthy muslims, but they can invade every country eventually. Nobody is safe.
saying that the US was responsible for Saddam is not an argument against the Iraq War
it means the US had a moral imperative to kill a dictator they were responsible for
>>60863401
>Uh...no? Do you not know how to count or something? Can you tell me which number is bigger, 3000 or 500?
LMAO
10x500 is still 500 in good old usa?
>>60863307
>On November 29, 2007, a videotape was released that The Central Intelligence Agency says is likely to be from bin Laden. In it the speaker claims sole responsibility for the attacks and specifically denies any prior knowledge of them by The Taliban or the Afghan people.[101]
>2007
*it ain't me starts playing*
>>60863417
http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-arms-exports-rise-to-75-billion-euros/a-19061170
>>60860994
>fpbp.jpg
>when some american tells me that united states is a force for good in the world
>>60863661
nationalism is a funny thing :DD
>>60863661
better than Turkey
>>60863587
I was referring to the November 2001 videotape, but I now realize you're a nutjob who doubts Bin Laden even did it (despite multiple admissions in multiple different recordings), so I'm going to stop replying to you
>>60863401
More people dead != more terror
Stupid fuck
More terror = constant fear among people of terror attacks
The fact America has had 7 terror attacks by muslim terrorists in the last four years, compared to only two from 2001-2012, shows that people are more TERRIFIED than in the past.
lol we'd like our over 300,000 upfront pls...
heres the details
*slips note under cell door*
>>60863661
>oppressing Muslims and destroying their countries is not a good thing
?????
>>60863319
It was definately a problem. They should have weeded out the worst offenders and then just kept an eye on anyone else they weren't sure of and then increased new membership from outside his loyal factions. Hindsight is 20/20 though. I think they expected it to be like Germany and Japan and ignoring the massive cultural differences.
>>60863448
You said
>Well yeah ISIS military commanders are all from Sadam's Baathist military.
Which is objectively not true. As indicated by your sources.
>>60863707
Lol you're butthurt as fuck friend, putting words into my mouth and angrily shutting down any retort because you realized you're wrong as fuck
>Invasion of Afghanistan: October 7 2001
>Supposed audio transcript of Osama planning the attacks: November 2001
>In May 2002, FBI Director Robert Mueller noted that his organization had not uncovered a single piece of paper, "either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere", that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot.[71]
>>60863632
That is after Saddam you stupid fuck. What was even your point? Don't arm Iraqis to fight back ISIS?
>>60863801
Good post
That American = BTFO
>>60863401
>pretends to be retarded to deflect from an argument he's losing
Kinda pathetic ngl
arm iraq to fight isis
wasnt that sad'iams job
>>60863783
maybe I'm an optimist but I think it's actually going to be fine. ISIS is losing in Iraq right now. They're getting their ass whupped. Iraq needed to be able to stand on its own two feet and now it seems plausible that it can, assuming they don't just split into two theocracies and a Kurdish ethnic state after this.
>>60863359
>You realize 10 attacks that kill 500 is worse than one that kills 3000?
>500 dead is worse than 3000.
Jesus the stupidity in this thread.
JUST rewind the tape terrorist create a tower that disperses planes...
>>60863578
Not who you are responding too but the 500 number in the U.S. is a massive compared to the total that has happened since 2001. It sounds more like the total in the West in almost 15 years and a large amount was from Belgiums retardation.
>>60861025
Edgy kids will tell you you're wrong
>>60863578
>10x500 is still 500 in good old usa?
Why are you multiplying the two numbers? Please learn English before posting on this website
>>60863731
Sorry, I didn't realize terror was a quantifiable subject. Tell me, where did you learn to measure terror?
In point of fact, terrorism plots have been mostly unsuccessful since 9/11 and the death count from terrorism has tapered off dramatically. Terrorism as it is today is almost entirely domestic lone wolf attacks thanks to the very successful War on Terror, which decimated terrorist groups and has prevented any follow-up to 9/11
>>60863885
I can't help noticing you were unable to refute my post
>>60863972
This post is delusional.
Iraq is supported by a 34 nation coalition and 8,000 American soldiers alongside 4,000 Arab League soldiers.
And it has been 2+ year since it lost its second and third largest cities. They still haven't been taken back.
>>60863830
I thought he was refering to the German firm that post Desert Storm worked on weapons for him in violation of agreements. From dealing with German corporations, on a corporate level despite the stereotypes of Germans the're pretty dishonest. Siemens being a prime example.
>>60863989
I am talking about terrorism. The war on terror. The anon and I were arguing about if there is less terror or more terror now.
I'm saying that 10 attacks that kill 500 create more terror than 1 attack that kills 3,000.
And this is objectively correct based upon pew polls since 2000.
>>60863972
Most likely it will. ISIS is being ground down. I just hope they can handle government corruption after.
>>60862084
you people are factually worse
>>60861731
cheap for exxon
>>60862084
Success breads jealousy.
>>60864165
??? The first largest city is Baghdad, which has never fallen to ISIS. The second largest is Basra, which has never fallen to ISIS. The third largest is Mosul, the only one in the top 10 they control. After they take Fallujah, and most everybody thinks that's an inevitability, ISIS will only control one major city. The way you frame your post misleads people into thinking the main force wasn't the Iraqi military.
>>60861910
>not killing your dad
who are you? electra?
>>60864157
>Tell me, where did you learn to measure terror?
http://www.pewresearch.org/topics/terrorism/
This measures how much terror Americans are under since 2000. They have been asked the same question "how concerned are you about Terrorism" since 2000. 2016's response was the highest since 2001.
>In point of fact, terrorism plots have been mostly unsuccessful since 9/11 and the death count from terrorism has tapered off dramatically. Terrorism as it is today is almost entirely domestic lone wolf attacks thanks to the very successful War on Terror, which decimated terrorist groups and has prevented any follow-up to 9/11
Huh then why was 2015 the year with the most deaths to terror in modern history?
>>60864234
I don't know how old you were in 2001 but in the Northeast people were a lot more scared than they have been since than. If you went to NYC the scale of the destruction and the stink in the air wasn't easily ignored.
>>60864264
it's going to get more complicated. I want the Kurds to have their own state but I also don't want them to have all the oil and to let the rest of Iraq devolve into shit piles with no future. It'd be cool to have a completely secular state, that's the only way it's gonna work in my mind.
>>60864329
http://time.com/2852097/iraq-mosul-extremists/
>>60864264
At the current pace it won't be till 2018 that Iraq is under nominal government rule again.
In the meantime, the Kurds are practically independent.
Not to mention that ISIS in Syria will still be able to attack Iraq after that. Just like in 2014.
The second we withdraw support like we did in 2011, Iraq will go to hell again.
>>60864335
You're conflating terror, concern about terrorism, and terrorism into a single entity. The War on Terror was a war on terrorism, not on an emotion you experience every time you see a scary film
And again, the 2015 number is mostly irrelevant for Western countries as the body count from terrorism has completely dropped off the charts
What aren't you getting? I want to help you
>>60864415
yeah two years ago. Now ISIS is getting curbstomped.
donated money to the kurds lads
Thenk yoo yooessaye
you r mai best frend
yoo ere teh pees keeper
yoo ere teh leszend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2rTafbQepg
>>60864524
>he fell for burger propaganda
ISIS is only increasing and it's being widely accepted as the de facto Islamic fundamentalist group.
>>60864664
>ISIS
>increasing
>>60864664
it's only a matter of time till they really hit the the US.
I'm waiting for the happening to finally happen
>>60864664
>ISIS is only increasing
Please read a newspaper before making retarded statements like this
lol you mean alkayda
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