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Who wins? http://www.strawpoll.me/10482147
>inb4 the world
>>60776206
England obviously.French People are not capable of defending their homeland.
>>60776369
>says 800 000land
I think Britain would but I voted for France to annoy them.
>>60776904
They wouldn't, btw
>>60776206
The eternal question.
UK, not because I like them over France, but they have a stronger military
The world
>>60776206
Britain with ease
>>60776206
>no nukes
>aka without 25% of military spendings
>>60779938
That's proper queer
>>60779881
>>60780741
PROOF
When was the last time they even tried to fight us on their own ?
>>60781160
Too busy saving you instead.
>>60781182
Killing our sailors and bombing our cities =/= saving us.
>Britain : 15
>France : 12
Seriously, /int/ ?
>>60776206
France can't even handle a little banter without resorting to calling the fucking riot police.
They would probably call the army in if they saw a skinhead stamping on frogs lol!
But for real England just based on navy and air force.
The country who conquered the entire world vs a country that surrendered to everyone? This is a tough one
>>60781320
Our air force is better than yours, m8.
>>60781334
...your lack of education is just embarrassing
Or maybe I'm taking the bait and I AM the embarrassing lad here
>>60781362
Your air force is all quantity m8 I don't even think you could crash a smelly surrender "plane" into a builder if you tried.
One RAF plane no matter what make could take on at least 20,000 whatever planes you guys use.
>>60781534
>smelly surrender "plane"
Come fucking on, you don't want me to be mean.
>>60781391
The English + France empire was the best.
The Polish are trying to make us fight one another brother. They stay back as Muslims take over and are now sending shitposters to make us fight.
The Polish must be bombed.
>>60781584
But Poland is one of our oldest allies
>>60776206
None, we both die from nuclear fallout, the channel is pretty narrow mate.
>>60776206
Depends of who is invading who
Brits got superior navy and artillery do you can't land on their island
French got superior air force and land special ops so you would be btfo once you set a foot on the land
It's a fucking draw
desu, they couldn't invade us and we couldn't invade them.
YES, ALL MEMES ASIDE.
>>60781362
Hah, I knew it soon as I opened this thread, one of you would bring up the air force point, despite both our air forces having (roughly) the same number of combat jets.
This is a silly thread. Both forces have weaknesses and strengths relating to their requirements.
>>60781614
And now they clean our loo when we poo.
No wonder they are so angry.
>>60781744
I would legit love to a SAS squad vs the French special forces.
>>60781786
Same number ≠same quality
A mirage or a way too expensive rafale is better than 2 of your jets
Why don't you guys free northern ireland already?
>>60781625
>no nukes
>>60781786
I agree desu
>>60781900
Because the Irish are little submissive twinks.
They love huge English cock fucking them and supporting them.
FRANCE
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>>60781870
There are multiple french special forces, foreign legion (guerilla speciality/hostile environment) ? Para-commando (reckon) ? GIGN (hostage situations) ?
>>60781876
You seriously argue on this thread?
How old are you? 12?
Foreign Legion that is the one I was thinkin' off.
>>60781957
This
the only way to know is to do it :^]
>>60776206
Whoever tries to invade loses. The forces are so even it gives the defender a huge advantage, despite both armies built mostly with offense in mind (afaik).
>>60781957
If even the US army said that Rafale was superior to their jets, then yes I got reason to argue.
The only draw fron the rafale is his price and maintenance coat which are too high to be efficient army wise
>>60776206
pic related wins. Just like the Hundred Years' War
>>60782014
Foreign legion is just cannon fodder made of slavs/brown people with insane survival skills/strenght.
I don't think they would match the SAS strategy speaking
>>60782069
This time, weapons are "similar"
No more longbows vs swords, m8
>>60779938
the gayest thing i've ever read
We would btfo Britain in a second
>>60782163
>read
>>60782034
who tf said that, and about what jets? Last I heard the Typhoon was proclaimed as the best performer outside of American airframes
>>60782114
Who do you believe would match or beat the SAS if you don't mind me asking?
>>60781900
Because they love us, just like the Falklands and Gibraltar... and you.
>>60782163
Shush you now go back to cleaning my loo that I filled with poo!
>>60782194
What else would you do with it?
>>60782191
Calm down Pierre, sensible discussion here only.
>>60781876
If you think a Mirage is in the same league as a Typhoon you are an utter moron. Between Rafale and Typhoon, their almost exact equals, excluding their areas of focus.
For AtG Rafale has the advantage, but for AtA Typhoon has the advantage. This is not to suggest that their crap in their weaker areas, but what capabilities got the serious attention.
https://hushkit.net/2015/12/18/typhoon-versus-rafale-the-final-word/
>>60776206
France.
Purely because France has a more independent domestic armaments industry. The UK is a lot more dependent on foreign "partners" (in other words, cucked by the US).
>>60782204
Search on youtube, there are tests made by the us army where they put a rafale vs a F jet I think.
I think i also heard this but that was said about 5years ago.
>>60782264
It depends of the place Desert/Jungle/Urban and the kind of mission (progressing through enemy lines, set-up a secure perimeter)...
>>60782503
I was talking about the rafale only
>>60782648
That's certainly not how you worded your post.
>>60782588
Foreign legion is the most known but there missions are generally progress through enemy lines and clean everything on their path then make the army soldier behind them progress. That's what they did in first gulf war in Bagdad
Other special ops are more about specific target or protection.
My best bro is in para-commando, basically he does reckon and his sniper just fuck some islamists near their hideouts in Mali.
>>60782546
We make a lot of stuff though, BAE is bloody huge mate.
>>60782546
/thread
>tfw UK can't use his jets without the approbation of the USA
>>60782588
Urban setting and the mission entails the French must stop some SAS lads havin a good time at the footy.
>>60782830
>we make a lot of stuff
Yeah, parts and shit mostly, not the whole thing, which is the main problem now innit.
Whats the winning condition?
>>60782925
Every nations does this.
There's very few who have entirely 'native' systems.
>>60776206
It's a draw until one of those country makes superdrones or creates terminators
>>60776206
Is this a joke?
UK
>>60782546
>>60782834
You say this both, but the Anglo was able to cuck you out of your Mistral class export deal.
Either the UK would win, or it would be a stalemate. There's literally no way France could conquer the mainland, not a chance in hell.
>>60782965
...explain ?
>>60782997
You unironically think you can invade us ?
>>60782997
The Americans did it fine why can't we?
>>60783067
If kebabs manage to do it I guess they can do it too. Even if it's a long process
>>60782949
France does not, which is the entire point. It's also the reason why they keep most of their armament industries domestic and fund them themselves even if it ends up costing them more or even if it end up giving them an inferior product.
Get it?
Yeah, yeah, whatever, you're going to find an excuse anyway because "if we do it this way it means its the best way because muh national pride".
>>60783067
Why not?
Everyone else has.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_France
>>60783174
But they do?
I can start link dumping if you so wish.
Examples from the French Navy:
>Mistral class
Rolls-Royce engines.
>Aquitaine class
General Electric LM2500 engine.
>CdG AEW
Grumman E-2C Hawkeye.
>French helicopter ASW
Westland Lynx.
I wish I could go in depth, but I've got to get to work.
>>60783357
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_England
>>60783357
Only Russians (they had a large coalition with them, after all...) and Krautz successfully invaded France.
>>60783413
I said most. You can nitpick all you want but the fact is if they want a new jet aircraft they build one, if the UK wants one, they order one from the US. And if the US for whatever reason says no, they have no jet aircraft, what you have is some cool flaps and a lift jet with the altimeter on your brand new spanking carrier. Or, you know, go back to the Harrier that can barely fly at this point.
That's the difference. Even in your example of nitpicking, the E-2C Hawkeye is the only non-french designed and built airplane on the carrier. You also resorted to parts within ships.
You know what's the difference between just producing a few parts and not the actual ship and producing a ship but not all the parts? The F-35 for the UK is an example. Produce no planes, only parts. If you have a ship with no engines, you can fit engines, if you have an engine and no ship, you have essentially nothing.
>>60783764
>Krautz successfully invaded France.
You forgot the snackbars ;)
>>60783873
Ohhhhh, immigration, it doesn't count :^)
>>60783659
no occupations though haha
>>60784039
"Civil War. French invasion and 16-month occupation of England"
So, we win.
>>60776206
no one
we make gay sex tho
>>60786328
wew lad
>>60781900
>free
they want to be British and ARE British
test
WELL ITS A GOOD THING WE'RE ALLIES AND NEIGHBORS HUH?
UK certainly, it ruled the world.
>>60776206
Looks like GB will come out on top
>>60776206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90FwdRPFGK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3KJ4zYP0AY
Here's your answer.
>>60786966
>it ruled the world.
their colonies only
>>60787595
Typhoon > Mirage 2000
Type 45 > Horizon
QE class x2 >> Charles de Gaulle x1
Tornado > Nothing
F35 > Rafale
Apache = Tiger
Vanguard = Triumphant
Challenger 2 > Leclerc
>>60779938
only a germanic would have done something like this
the ones that rule france and UK are germanics, they arent the same people that made contact with romans
>>60782546
This.France wins. Especially with the way the UK is right now.
>>60787734
2014
>>60782546
>>60788141
Only Lockheed-Martin is a bigger arms industry company than BAE.
#3 on the global defence spending: only the US, and China are larger
source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11936179/What-are-the-biggest-defence-budgets-in-the-world.html
4th largest navy in the world by tonnage, only the US China and Russia are larger, and it can easily be argued to be superior to russia and china in quality.
Airforce is not among the largest any longer, but again, has a huge amount of greater experience and quality of machinery compared to the larger forces like the Russians and Chinese. Ability to project and transport its materiel worldwide puts it way beyond China's current strength.
UK Special forces are still world-leaders, regardless of the occasionall hysterical over-exaggeration some make. SAS & SBS have been establishing the standards for years, and still teach even the US SF soldiers on occasion
>>60788249
Don't be delusional now.France wins real hard.
>>60788567
How do you come to that conclusion?
>>60788751
Britain needed the French to save them from the Russians.You are pathetic on your own.You will get obliterated.
>>60788998
Not an argument
The Muslims would win. They're closer to taking over France and they will see a war between Britain and France as an opportunity to take over. Once they've took over France they'll go for us because we'll have been weakened by the French.
>>60788998
Bit retarded 2bh
>>60781334
Yeah, it's pretty impressive how Britain conquered all these Zulus, Native Americans, Zanzibarians...etc
Meanwhile, France only conquered Europe (but what glory is there in beating Germans, Russians, Spaniards...etc anyway?)
>>60776206
The EU
>>60787870
>F35 > Rafale
Hahaha oh wow
The F35 isnt even worse than fucking F16
>>60788152
>>60787734
>>60776206
France:
Population 66m
230,000 Active personnel
4th on the National Power Index
225 Jets airforce
UK:
Approx 150,000
Population 64m
6th in National Power Index
Approx 200 jets
UK has a superior Navy and a higher budget, but France beats her in armored vehicles, tanks, military personnel, aircraft carriers, air force.
So currently it seems far more likely France would win, but over time France has been cutting and cutting while the UK isn't so the likelihood could drastically change 20 years from now.
