Why cant Republika Srpska merge with Serbia?
le bump
>>60772794
Apparently (according to Geography Now) they will if Kosovo becomes independent.
Pic related is what Serbia would look like then.
>>60773037
that looks scary as fuck
>>60773037
lel
That north part of Srpska looks like it's about to fall off any time
>>60773037
Shit borders, 0/5 would not play in autism simulator
>>60773037
find the missing part
>>60773130
Well they could have another war and take the whole of Bosnia... but I don't think that would go down very well.
>>60773366
1 on 1 we would get it without a problem
>>60773037
Can't wait for the next fucking war
>>60774977
what about 1 on 2 (including croats)?
>>60774977
Well croats would be involved + nato becuse of posavina + distrikt brčko
>>60772794
Because the USA would like an unstable mess of a state because the right to self determination only applies to non Serbs.
>>60775235
All of them if Serbia is involved. In Bosnia and Croatia, Serbia was not involved, but the local Serb populace, Serbia even at one point had sanctions against Bosnian Serb and Croatian Serb republics.
But that is just theory, because no one wants to go to war nowdays, no one sane that is.
>>60773037
I like those borders :3 would be cute
>>60775229
are you gonna attack us?
>>60774977
If every war would be 1 on 1 , you and I were living in a same country Blagoje
>>60775235
still easy.
As long as NATO/EU don't step in, it's easy pickings.
Or if they do, we get help from Russia.
Last time, we didn't.
divide it up like this
>>60777419
1vs28
Thanks Greece for refusing to be a part of it at all, despite being a NATO member.
or like this
>>60775277
No one in a Bosnia/Serbia conflict is NATO aligned or allied.
>>60777552
Name 1 country with a soldier on the ground for attack in that league (Not UN for peacekeeping)
>>60777622
Exclaves look like fun
>>60775866
do it anyways i can't stand to look at these ugly ass fucking borders.
just go ahead and genocide everyone, why can't you slavshits do regular ole natural borders like a river or something.
>>60777752
there are no exclaves in my map
>>60777622
>>60777819
2010 vs 1981
>>60777788
that bottom right serbian piece would be an exclave
>>60775866
>In Bosnia and Croatia, Serbia was not involved
>teenager Serbs literally believe this
>>60777872
damn macedonia looks like ballsack
>>60777874
Not if we reunite with Montenegro (like you with FYROM)
>>60777819
>>60777872
lel
talk shit get hit
Long live ethnically clean Croatia!
>>60777913
JNA retreated in 1992 facing sanctions and foreign pressure.
JNA was indirectly involved in Bosnia, more with smuggling, volunteers, engineering work (and by that i mean setting up and clearing minefields)
>>60777967
Oh, look, someone who glorifies genocide.
>>60777819
dotted line means autonomy and guys from the UN to make sure you don't genocide them
>>60777329
Hrvat sam nisam konto
>>60777698
you see Posavina is mainly pouplated with croats and they added it into the map there so you can guess from where would NATO come
>>60778089
Im fine with this.
Do it.
>>60778040
>JNA retreated in 1992
>JNA was indirectly involved
Did you escape from the asylum just recently?
What was the best possible action for Serbia to take after the YU start falling apart? Wouldn't it be wiser just to lay back and let everyone secede but with significant serb minority in every country. This way you can keep all people in place and than whine for right and self determination to the UN and so on...
>>60777819
>>60777872
What this map really tells you is how Slovenia ethnically cleansed itself. And no one ever heard or even knows about it.
>no German or Italian majority in any area
Less than 100 years ago the second largest city in present day Slovenia had a German minority, 30 thousand also lived in the Kočevje enclave (Gottsche) as well as thousands of them in other urban areas, none of the coastal towns of Koper (Capodistria), Piran(Pirano), Izola(Isola), Portorož(Portoroes) had a Slovenian majority or even had significant Slovenian population.
Lmao.
and this is the t. Nato option
I would really like that. Republika srpska is holding this country back. Economically they are africa tier. Serbs are subhumans and I don't want to live in a country with them.
>>60778211
>German minority*
German Majority*, roughly 80% of Maribor was German.
>>60778040
I'm not glorifying genocide, Im glorifying ethnically clean Croatia.
Serbs left by their own at the end of the war because they were too scared to face justice and because they were needed in northern and eastern Bosnia
Croatia is not ethnically clean because of genocide! Oluja was not a genocide
>>60778212
best and the only right solution. However with normal Serbian borders, without Kosovo
>>60777913
I don't honestly understand how you guys can hope to play any role in the world. Countries which can project any form of power have to have secure borders or defensive positions. These borders and low population just invites neighbor friction and leave you guys vulnerable to get pushed around by bigger guys.
Even countries like Poland or Romania will have some ability to project power, and will be less bullied or intimidated by bigger regional powers or even emerge as one.
The current divisions just means yugoslavia will slip into irrelevance much like ukraine or belarus because you'll be too preoccupied with nearby threats to deal with external ones.
>>60778105
NATO gives zero fucks about ethnic connections. They aren't Russian/Slac/Muslim.
The Croats in Bosnia are outside NATO.
And it's not like the Serbs would attack Bosnians. They would focus on "european" muslim Bosniaks.
>>60778184
>What was the best possible action for Serbia to take after the YU start falling apart?
Not going on a genocidal killing spree to fulfill ultranationalist wet dreams of a "Great Serbia", probably.
>>60778212
This is nice, except for Macedonia going to Bulgaria. Vojvodina can be independent or a Croatian vassal.
>>60773037
it would be the ultimate inception
croatia enveloping republika srpska enveloping the bosniak caliphate
i love it
>>60777736
USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIWgQTvw5Gg
Captured USA soldiers near Kosovo border.
France too, they had special squads which got killed as well
Either way, NATO was never going to do a full scale invasion of Yugoslavia.
It would take an army of 500 000, and nobody would support it
>However, France and Germany vigorously opposed a ground offensive, and had done so for some weeks, since April 1999. French estimates suggested that an invasion would need an army of 500,000 to achieve success. This left NATO, particularly the United States, with a clear view that a land operation had no support.
It should be noted that Yugoslavia agreed to peace talks, only 1 day after Milosevic had a talk with Russian ambassador, who said, "we can't help, we won't help"
>According to British Lieutenant-General Mike Jackson, Russia's decision on 3 June 1999 to back the West and to urge Milošević to surrender was the single event that had "the greatest significance in ending the war". The Yugoslav capitulation came the same day.
Also our morale was far higher than NATO, and if Russia just promised or agreed to supply sell us any kind of air defence, NATO would never got even that shitty deal they've got.
>However, when retreating from Kosovo after NATO intervention, Yugoslav units appeared combat effective with high morale and displaying large holdings of undamaged equipment.[110] Weeks before the end of hostilities, David Fromkin has noted that ˝it seemed possible that NATO unity might crack before Yugoslav morale did.˝
Not to mention the fact that NATO missed every single military target they aimed for.
>NATO claimed that the Yugoslav army lost 93 tanks (M-84's and T-55's), 132 APCs, and 52 artillery pieces.
> Newsweek, the second-largest news weekly magazine in the U.S, gained access to a suppressed US Air Force report that claimed the real numbers were "3 tanks, not 120; 18 armored personnel carriers, not 220; 20 artillery pieces, not 450"
>>60778184
Renounce communism, pledge to the US and that we will be capitalist, then kill everyone that is not Serb with US and EU looking the other way
>>60778233
Which explains why Bosniaks are the poorest fuckers in Europe?
Worse than Moldovans.
>>60778328
this would have worked, i'd support this
>>60778211
Did the Partisans handle that or what?
>>60778278
yeah,well they can try
>>60778089
Montenegro isn't real.
Hungary doesn't get anything, they are cunts who want a full restoration.
I don't think you realize the geographic importance Presevo valley has since the major highways and railways go trough it.
>>60778211
We helped you out with that.
>>60778261
>forces 300k people out of his country with tanks
>celebrates ethnic cleansing
>not genocide
>>60778184
>whine for right and self determination
We did.
>>60778370
based czech just minding their ow business
>>60777913
Butthurt Croats always butthurt that the never fought our army.
JNA left per Sarajevo Agreement in 1992 agreement with NATO and US, Croats were completely irrelevant.
3 years later, Croat exiled 300k civilians with 200k soldiers + bosnian forces against 30 000 armed civilians of RSK and claim
>WE WON
Top kek
They were so scared, they waited 3 years after Serbian army left, to do something.
>>60778278
Real life isn't a Paradox game and we don't give a shit about relevance.
>>60778328
>then kill everyone that is not Serb
You tried that and failed miserably. You literally lost to the Croatian police force.
>>60778233
>Economically they are africa tier
now you are just being retarded
>>60778457
yes,well we had to arm ourself and the thing that we stoppet "your" "army" without any heavy weapons is quite a feat tbhh
>>60778311
Looking at this map serbs fight almost exclusively in serb populated areas. How is that " ultranationalist wet dream"?
>>60778370
What is the dark red/brownish one?
Bunjevci? Areas with no clear majority?
>>60778170
Involved in eastern Bosnia, not Croatia.
>>60778497
forgot the map
>>60778497
they tried to do what albanians did to them with kosovo
just they got btfo
>>60778416
How and who forced them to leave their homes?
They leaved because they decided to leave! for whatever reasons
Were they too scared to stay? was it an order from Belgrade?
I dont give two shits as long as your barbarian tribe is east from river Drina
>>60778358
Not true. We are doing much better than Moldova.
Even during Yugoslavian era, economy of FBiH was 133% of yugoslavian average GDP, while economy of Republika Srpska was 95%. If we had no serbs in our country, we would be doing almost as well as Croatia.
>>60778457
>muh 700,000
>w-we didn't l-lose
>>60778509
>bunjevci
>croatia
well yeah they are that red majority i guess
>>60778478
Who is we?
I have nothing with poor Croatian Serb farmers that wanted to save their lives and property and were ethnically cleansed in a fight 4.000.000 vs 300.000
>>60778327
So basically there was no ground support from NATO (except little teams that goes in every war) and they missed almost every missile they launch.That means NATO didn't do shit in that war.
>>60778416
I wasn't aware, you got autonomous Preševo but hungary and montenegro get their shit, you get sea access you'd probably wet your pants IRL if former yugoslavia was partitioned as it was in this map.
uvijek ista prica
>diskusija o bosni
>srbi vs. bosnjaci
>upadnu hrvati
>svako protiv svakog
>>60778555
> If we had no serbs in our country, we would be doing almost as well as Croatia.
and if you had no croats you would be serbia tier
>>60778494
This fairytale again
Croatia was arming itself from the moment Tudjman got to power.
it was buying weapons left and right, it got money from everyone.
Mostly bought it from Ukraine and Hungary at very low prices.
Not to mention the 1000s of Yugoslav troops of Croatian origin that defected to Croatia and took their equipment with them.
You were arming yourself long before that war began.
And then you attacked the barracks of JNA an army in it's own country and some joined you, some left.
>>60778579
>4.000.000 vs 300.000
pretty stupid of them to start that fight don't you think?
>>60778497
So can Bulgarian Turks just kill all the Bulgarians in Turk-majority areas and proclaim a state of their own to merge it with Turkey?
>>60778509
JNA was in Croatia, you spastic retard.
>>60778370
Pretty much. But during the inter-war era Germans were not liked (their schools were closed and such) and many of them left for Austria even before the war.
Only feel bad for the Gottsche germans, they were forcefully relocated by the Germans themselves as the area was part of the Italian occupational zone. This was also later used as an excuse to not allow them to return because technically they "agreed" to be resettled despite the fact this agreement was forced from them by the German authorities and resulted in a decent number of Gotsche germans joining the partisans instead of leaving. There's only a few hundred left out of the ~30 thousand.
>>60778648
yes we armed ourselfs true,but with small arms
read again what i posted damn it
>>60778581
Oh, no I wouldn't say that.
They managed to hit every factory, every bridge, basically anything of use to the economy.
3000 civilians died.
1000 army members died.
They fought the war against the people, not the army.
>>60778650
They knew that the genocide Croats did from WWII will repeat, so they had to protect themselves, I don't blame them for trying and being left out by Yugo government at that time
>>60778579
>military jets, navy, tanks and heavy artillery against a Croatia that didn't even have a standing army
>Croatian Serb farmers
Wow, Serbian agricultural machinery is really something, eh?
>>60778659
turks have no right over this land as they are invaders
>>60778723
vae victis then
ww2 was an overreaction but it wasn't unjustified
>>60778583
Montenegro is a meme.
>>60778683
No, you were buying everything.
Not to mention you started the war by taking control of almost all supplies of JNA in Croatia, which there were quite a bit.
Same as Slovenia did.
>>60778726
more fairytales
You do know that JNA Airforce commander for example, was a Croat, until nearly the end of 1992.
He really wanted to use them against his people.
Land forces commander was a Slovene.
>>60778701
War always damages the civilians.Like 8,373 people in Srebrenica .
>>60778791
Justification for what? For making you wear Serbian hats in the army ayyyyyyyyyyyy
Oh dear,when it comes to drawing on maps and making threats every one is an expert.But when it comes to war oh boy don't even get me started
>>60778811
>Civilians
>Srebrenica
top kek.
Yeah, civilians died there.
That's why VRS evacuted all woman and children younger than 16.
Because they really wanted to kill some civilians.
>>60778809
>nismo mi oni su
>>60778811
>fighting men
>civilians
Srebrenica had a population of 5000, 3400 of which were muslims. And 8000 MEN died.
The only good thing about bosnia is its flag
>>60777534
>>60777622
>>60777819
>>60777872
>>60778089
>>60778212
>>60778370
>>60778523
>>60778583
ENOUGH WITH THE CROATIAN-BOSNIAN-HERZEGOVIAN UNIFICATION
REEEEEEE
no more, we don't need that trash around here
>>60778809
where were all of that equipment that we bought then?
>>60778824
like that's not enough
also killing radic brothers gave you hate of the whole our nation
>>60778747
And Croatian Serbs are here because they ran away from the Turks.
>>60778648
Croatia started seeking weapons when you started the log bullshit.
>>60778809
>more fairlytales
More denial.
And almost 20,000 Croatian Army soldiers were Serbs. What now?
>>60778937
yea one gun nut is to blame, black lives matter
>>60778937
In your fucking hands.
Are you really such an idiot to believe you can make people with tanks leave if you throw bottles at them and wish it really hard ?
>>60778893
>>60778869
>Ne,ne to nisu bili civili to su vojnici bez pušaka i oružija onu su bili pretnja.I jesam li spomenuo da su srbi nebeski narod?
>>60778478
nope, lad national security strategy is pretty important for most of the major countries.
ie russia is motivated to seize crimea because it will prevent potential invasion areas, and so-on.
smaller countries or ones with shitty borders means they are left to become vulnerable to bigger guys. your history for the next hundred years may just be infighting again like a bunch of tribes in africa rather than becoming a great nation.
Serbs were, are and will always be inhumane animals who are along with Turks responsible for making Balkan 10x times worse place to live
Thanks Serbs, thanks for all the destruction, hate, poverty and in the Balkans.
Thanks for making it a bigger shithole than it should be
Thanks!
>>60778723
>They knew that the genocide Croats did from WWII will repeat,
Belgrade propaganda to support rebellion.
>>60778809
>Not to mention you started the war
>>60778824
>Justification for what?
Fucking hell. Serbs have no contact with reality. It's like an extreme case of mass psychosis.
>>60778869
Shooting everyone older than 16 is a typical war thing to you ? Even if everyone older than 16 was a soldier,it's still a war crime .Then why didn't they defend themselves and where are their equipment , their defensive lines as if they are not civilians ?
>>60778954
Yes, some Serb villagers knock down logs over a highway and you send in the army.
>>60778937
What is Banovina Hrvatska? All of your demands were met. And you went full nazi with concentration camps.
>>60779019
>>60779005
butthurt countries which would have never existed as nations if it was not for Serbia
top kek
>>60779019
mate this is why you need a good few decades to reshape a national identity.
yugoslavia was based enough to kick out the nazis on their own and stand up to stalin.
now people will not know what your country is if you tell them you are from there.
>>60779019
wow wow wow what's the fuss, tell me what's happenin?
Where is the thank you for liberating your sorry worthless assess from 1000 year old slavery of cleaning horse shit?
>>60778975
obviously it wasnt only that during the AH hedervary use serbs to shit on us and when kingdom of shs came to be we ended up in serbia,we lost our autonomy that we had since forever ...it was given back in 1939 but ww2 was already at the door and the people saw a chance and well fuck it
>>60779000
gee mate we had no heavy weaponry we had no tanks no artillery and that shit are you fucking retarded dude wtf
>be ~8 % of the population
>produce 20% of the Yugoslav GDP
>produce 25% of all Yugoslav exports
Daily reminder you're all shit :^)
>>60779018
We're not fighting now and Yugoslavia was shit, not a great nation. We declared independence AFTER the war started, not before. We're better off being with NATO and siding with the countries West and North of us.
>>60778893
Then how many serbs died that day as if they are soldiers ? Capturing a town with that amount of population has to cause some damage to any army. Unless every single serb had a one bullet headshot in that day.
Serbs and Croats should unite in military alliance against Bosniaks and Albos in order to make the region stronger, also should stop relying on US loans
I dont even dislike Croats, they seem ok except for mutual genocides but I blame Jews for that anyway
I am diaspora so naturally my opinion on this matter is more important than that of those peasants who remained
>>60779049
They did defend themselves, what gave you the idea they didn't ?
Srebrenica was suposed to be a peaceful region under UN.
Muslims were constantly raiding Serbian villages from it and then coming back to it and hiding there.
When Serbs came, they magically had weapons and shoot at us.
>>60779108
You did.
NATO enforced no-fly zone for example.
>>60779115
нeвзpaчeн и бeзличeн нapoд
doesnt count
How can Bosnia even exist in this form?
You have muslims that are forced to live in a country with some croats and serbs. All hate each other. This country seems like an artificial construct to me.
>>60778523
>>60778497
bad bad bad bad bad bad goy
you have the cnn and bbc reports, go read those, that's all you need to know. i advise you not to dig any further
>>60779108
>>60779050
>>60779106
>Where is the thank you for liberating your sorry worthless assess from 1000 year old slavery of cleaning horse shit?
you do understand that was the russian style "liberation"
also we had mor rights in those 1000 years of "slavery" than in our glorious liberty brought to us by karađorđe (tm)
>>60779167
t.srpska diaspora
>>60779170
we didn't when jna invaded
why would we leave vukovar undefended if we had all that weaponry
>>60779019
Turks are actually alright in my book now.
>>60779050
Those Serbs were armed and started attacking police stations. There were numerous incidents of civilians shooting at Croatian policeman. When Zagreb sent a police intervention through a helicopter, a JNA jet threatened to take it down. Go fuck yourself. Milošević invented the "muh Nazi return" bullshit so a bunch of Serb peasants would chimp out and he'd have a flimsy excuse to invade Croatia with the federal forces. The same shit was done in Bosnia, attempted in Kosovo and the same shit Putin pulled in Ukraine. And you simpletons are just eating it all up.
>>60779150
Croats and Muslims used a tactic, when they are about to lose they throw their guns and put civilian clothing, now it;s up to you to believe them and not to believe them.
Guess Ratko didn't believe them
>>60779050
>What is Banovina Hrvatska? All of your demands were met. And you went full nazi with concentration camps.
Maček (democratic, one that actually got Cvetković to agree to Banovina Hrvatska) was jailed and put into Jasenovac concetration camp, Pavelić (a known terrorrist mind you) was put in charge by Nazis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladko_Ma%C4%8Dek
>>60779184
Sorry, can you repeat that? I'm not familiar with turkic languages.
>>60779106
>had to leave a developed Western state to be a part of some post-Ottoman agricultural shithole that "won" WWI by running away to fucking Corfu in order to "defend their country"
""""""liberated""""""""
>>60779203
Oh common, you were just butthurt you had to wear Sajkaca in the army
>>60779187
Hey i don't mind living with croats,but the serbs makes this place 10X worse.We were on our way to clear this place of serbs but nope clinton said we needed to end the war so like idiots we did without finishing the job.
>>60779083
>>60779106
dont get me all with "we saved you after ww1". You didnt save anyone. You knew very well that with "Veliko rješenje" you'll get more land under your filthy crown to control than with spliting it with Hungary and Italy.
Croats just got into smaller, instead of bigger shits because of you
>>60779296
sorry i cant
>>60779310
nevere did i denied that
its just so ugly
>>60779288
Glad to see we're on the same page then.
>>60779308
>not by breaking the southern front making the Germans beg for peace
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I agree with agricultural shithole, you were no better though
>>60779265
I know that tactic the PKK uses it aganist our military for 30 years. But an 8000+ men is the same amount of active PKK+YPG or ISIS member.And we didn't saw any mass grave anywhere in that shithole.
>>60779265
>Croats and Muslims used a tactic, when they are about to lose they throw their guns and put civilian clothing
honestly can't tell if you're joking or if you actually believe this, mr. dindu
I've read half of this thread and now my head hurts.
>>60772794
Look what you did ya backstabber!
>>60779378
better than you :^)
>>60779296
>Calling the mother of all slavic languages turkic.
gr8 b8 m8
>>60779255
JNA didn't invade croatia, you had JNA soldiers that were there, in what for all intents and purposes for them was yugoslav teritorry, and they got attacked on the streets and their buildings besieged while croatia was not even in the UN or anything
when croatia became widely recognized, they withdrew
so what's the fucking problem
basically you're saying that if 5 people from some corner of croatia decided to declare independence and this got recognized by iceland, the croat army would be forced to recognize this and let them do what they want
>>60779150
I can't give you the exact numbers, nobody knows, but there was a battle there.
>it appeared that Bosnian government forces in Srebrenica were using the "safe area" as a convenient base from which to launch counter-offensives against the Army of the Republika Srpska (VRS) and that UNPROFOR was failing to take any action to prevent it.[56]
>General Sefer Halilović admitted that ARBiH helicopters had flown in violation of the no-fly zone and that he had personally dispatched eight helicopters with ammunition for the 28th Division.
As you see they were far from unarmed "innocent"
>Almost all the 28th Division of Army BiH, 5500 to 6000 soldiers, not all armed, gathered in the village of Susnjari, in the hills north of the town of Srebrenica,
Not to mention how the body count keeps rising.
When it was reported after the war few years it barely reached 1000 civilians
then it jumped in 2004 to 3000
then it jumped in 2008 to 6000
now it's 8k
>>60779241
>undefended
you're joking right ?
Because it was defended.
>>60779265
omfg they actually believe this. How brainwashed can you be?
>>60779403
listen dude I was a baby back then who the fuck knows what happened, fact is for 3 years Serbian villagers around Srebrenica were slaughtered an masse, even though Srebrenica was declared a gun and army free zone, and when they got the chance, I guess people who lost their relatives got their revenge.
If some fuck killed my family, I too would have killed every single of his kin ill my hands were hurting from killing
>>60779438
>he thinks cyrilic is a language and not just a script
>he think Bulgarian (originally a turkic tribe) is the mother of slavic languages
Oh you poor boy, what else did they tell you in your shithole of a school?
>>60779441
>JNA didn't invade croatia,
Stopped reading.
>>60779187
it is an artificial construct
75% of the country is inhabited by people who'd rather burn the bosnian flag than fly it
but americans want it and that's all that matters
>>60779416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PposmdCa07E
Croats surrender
>>60779455
yeah it was by 2000 underarmed men or you will tell me that we had hunderds of thousands men there with tanks and howitzers and supersonic planes,please...
>>60772794
I would absolutely support it along with the Croat populated provinces' merge with Croatia
>>60779332
You wouldn't exist.
Serbia was offered territory to Split, that's where our border would be.
Split for dalmatia and bosnia would be ours.
Macedonia was already ours and montenegro.
We chose not to take that deal but fight for Yugoslavia.
If we didn't Slavonia would go to Hungary
And Zagorje would go to Austra
Istra and most of the coast would go to Italy.
You wouldn't exist, you had no legitimacy to form a state.
>>60779455
>then it jumped in 2004 to 3000
>then it jumped in 2008 to 6000
>now it's 8k
>Pople are still finding mass graves
>"How can this number still be growing"
Probably because you won't give the locations of the graves retard.But hey serb logic
>>60779554
The question is then, what to do with the turkified population
>>60779441
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Yugoslav_campaign_in_Croatia
inb4 wiki
>>60779508
they were yugoslav soldiers and therefore their duty was to fight what was at that moment an insurgency within yugoslavia
when croatia became independent and recognized in the UN, the JNA left
>>60779455
>Because it was defended.
>400 soldiers
>300 policemen
>1000 armed civilians
>against dozens of thousands of Serbs with heavy artillery and tanks
Oh boy, that's quite a fearsome fortress.
>>60779486
Don't make a fool of yourself. Also, your bait is pretty weak, since your history is not even a century old.
>>60779610
>our constitution tells us we must ensure there is peace in our country
>there are armed terrorists in our country
>use of our army on our territory is now an invasion
ayyyyyyyyyyy
>>60779538
>Serb begging for mercy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ceIaI4OteQ
>>60779374
one thing is not exactly logical step from another
actual terrorist was put in charge and armed by nazis
fucking biggest democratic leader of croats was put in cont camp
hardly continuation of policies or a plan whic you are implying, like we purposely planned this and everyone pushed for this
>>60779659
Bait? What's bait?
You poor soul, living in childish delusions.
>>60779675
Hey I just answered a post were Croats masked as civilians are surrendering and putting away their hunting rifles, masterfully disguised as AKs
>>60779613
>an insurgency within yugoslavia
>>60779673
>armed terrorists in our country
The insurgency and armed terrorists were the Serbs attacking police stations in Krajina and the JNA prevented the Croatia police from intervening. By doing so, JNA sided with nationalist terrorists.
>>60779610
>On 15 January 1992, Croatia gained diplomatic recognition by the European Economic Community members, and subsequently the United Nations
let me teach you something now
when one year passes, people increment the number that represents the number of years since jesus' birth and use this information as a certain measure of time
so things that happened in the year 1991 actually happened BEFORE something that happened in the year 1992 (AMAZING HUGH?)
that's because this number gets incremented every year rather than decremented
do you understand m8?
i don't know if i was clear enough, i guess i could further elaborate if you really need me to
>>60779673
the people voted to leave it was no longer you country
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar
making turks bleed in sieges since 15th century
>>60779736
if that were true they are non combatants or POW
so no shooting at them
>>60779577
you would, you wouldn't. We can't know that for sure. Pan-slavic movements were getting stronger in Europe. The State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs was made.
Austria and Hungary were also on the losing side and they didnt have enough influence nor power to take that united land without a fight.
Not sure about Italy tho
Again, what would happen, we can't know.
>>60779736
>Croats masked as civilians
Most defenders of Vukovar were armed civilians and not soldiers, moron. I know that's confusing to a Serb since Serbian warfare only comes down to killing civilians.
>>60779753
>JNA didn't invade croatia
so i guess they just invaded hmm nothing?
>>60779545
Yugoslav army in Yugoslavia invaded a part of Yugoslavia
top kek
>>60779545
>>60779635
Croatian fairytales are so amusing lmfao
JNA was there, not Serb forces.
JNA at the time, was nothing less than nothing, and would not fight.
They only got reorganized in 1993 to Serb majority force.
>The JNA's lack of infantry support was due to a disastrously low level of mobilisation in the preceding months. Many reservists – who were drawn from all the Yugoslav republics, including Croatia – refused to report for duty, and many serving soldiers deserted rather than fight.[82] Serbia was never formally at war and no general mobilisation was carried out.[83] An estimated 150,000 Serbs went abroad to avoid conscription, and many others deserted or went into hiding.[84]
>Only 13 percent of conscripts reported for duty.
>When the commander of a JNA unit at Vukovar demanded to know who was willing to fight and who wanted to go home, the unit split in two; one conscript, unable to decide which side to take, shot himself on the spot.[87]
>one conscript, unable to decide which side to take, shot himself on the spot.[87
>A JNA officer who served at Vukovar later described how his men refused to obey orders on several occasions, "abandoning combat vehicles, discarding weapons, gathering on some flat ground, sitting and singing Give Peace a Chance by John Lennon."
>In late October, an entire infantry battalion from Novi Sad in Serbia abandoned an attack on Borovo Naselje and fled. Another group of reservists threw away their weapons and went back to Serbia on foot across a nearby bridge.[88]
>A tank driver, Vladimir Živković, drove his vehicle from the front line at Vukovar to the Yugoslav parliament in Belgrade, where he parked on the steps in front of the building. He was arrested and declared insane by the authorities. His treatment enraged his colleagues
JNA sounds like a mighty force indeed.
JNA soldier weren't Serbs. There was everyone there, yugoslav
>>60773366
This is where the thread went to shit, congratulations bantmaster straya
>>60773037
Would be less retarded if Serbia and Montenegro were united in a federation
>>60779811
>says the citizen of a country that actively and willingly participated in a holocaust
croats basically invented mass killing civilians
>>60779811
Yeah civilians with AKs, oops, I meant hunting rifles
>>60779597
well, for that little part, they can get their own nation state, they wouldn't bother nobody
it would be absolutely lovely to watch how they collapse
>>60779883
willingly?
read this:
>>60779288
>>60779681
>>60779838
No no they came in with tanks and soliders guess they were surprised when people stared shooting at them.
>>60779861
you're retarded
we were arguing how jna invaded croatia
and we were saying how vukovar was not really well defended
i dont know what have you refuted in your post but ok
>>60779861
I guess Vukovar just fell apart due to shoddy construction work. Or maybe there was a massive earthquake in 1991 in Vukovar that Tuđman hushed up. You never know with those Catholic Serbs, eh?
>>60779613
According to Yugoslavian constitution from 1974, all yugoslav reblublics had a right to declare independence, so it wasn't an insurgency. JNA soldiers had been removing slovenians and croatian flags from the borders and putting Yugoslav ones which they had no right to do. Even if they were attacked, they had all the rights to attack them.
>>60779807
Italy, did it was an ally of winning sides, because, well italy, it switched sides.
Not a single coastal city you would have.
State of SHS, was unrecognized by everyone, not a single country recognized it.
Even Southern Ossetia has one recognition as a country.
Not to mention it was a state just in name, nothing else.
You literally didn't have control of a single region.
It was under control of Serbian and French armies, with some of the north under Austrian and Hungarian
Italy held some too.
>>60779694
Old bulgarian = old church slavonic = The first literary and liturgical Slavic language.
By the way, this is NOT taught in Bulgaria, since Russia would become buttblasted.
>>60779883
Have you read a history book?
>>60779838
exactly, they invaded nothing
because it would be really funny if the soldiers going about on the territory that's internationally recognized as a part of their country were to be labeled as an invasion.
every country in the world would currently be invading something in that, it would be really bizzarre
except for vatican, i'm not sure about how things work in vatican militaryvise
I fucking love shitstroms :3
>>60779886
A civilian with a rifle is still a civilian, you spastic retard.
>genocidal maniacs are coming to surround and ethnically cleanse your city
>don't you dare take up a rifle if you're a civilian!!
How retarded are you?
There were 13 year old armed kids defending Vukovar. And you savages were specifically bombing hospitals and churches.
>>60779970
Not to mention State of SHS lost all legitimacy when Vojvodina willingly voted for unification with Serbia without the consent of State of SHS which they supposedly governed.
>>60779613
constitution of the early 1970s and referendums have something to say about this m8
jna was illegal
>>60780018
yes sure >>60779966
>>60780007
>Asking a serb if he ever read anything in his life
>>60779960
It was shelled.
You can't exactly win just by shelling.
>>60779952
1.You can't invade your own country.
2.It was defended enough, for example you had manpands, shoulder launched missiles which shot down two planes for example.
3.The army didn't attack. JNA didn't know what to do, it saw itself as defended of Yugoslavia.
My post refuted you saying, JNA was a Serb army.
It wasn't.
Most people there refused to fight.
They just sat around doing nothing.
Except Albanians and Macedonians who sold weapons to all sides.
25% of JNA at the time, was comprised of Albanians.
>>60779951
bizzare isn't it?
>>60780020
You are confusing professional and trained soldier with a simple soldier. Once you take up arms and start shooting you are no longer a civilian you imbecile
>>60780007
Yes, he read many of Šešelj's masterful historical works.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20600354-the-roman-catholic-criminal-project-of-the-artificial-croatian-nation
>>60780019
I know!
Especially when the fucktards arguing weren't really involved in the topic.
God I love the balkans, but I wanna leeeeave
>>60780094
look here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_Yugoslav_Constitution
and then here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_independence_referendum,_1991
>>60780097
No what's bizzare is croat reaction
>Let's take this JNA barracks
>OH MY GOD THERE'S JNA TROOPS THERE WTF
Who let Yugoslav troops in Yugoslavia ?!?
>>60780112
>bomb tiny town for months, killing a shit-ton of civilians
>when civilians fight for their bare lives, just keep killing them, they're no longer civilians but anti-Yugoslav terrorists
Serbian logic.
>>60780094
i guess in biafran war nigeria warred against itself and in polish rebellions russians invaded themself
>>60780145
>starts shelling the town you're stationed in
>wonders why is the said town besieging you
>>60780047
>>60780057
>>60779966
no actually, i don't even know where anyone gets that from
>Previous constitutions had granted the republics the constitutional right to self-determination, including a right to secede. In 1974 Constitution, state that these rights belong to the "nations of Yugoslavia." At the same time, constitution includes a number of provisions that may deny a right to secede. Article 5 requires the consent of all republics and provinces before the borders of Yugoslavia can be altered.
basically, if ALL republics were to be in favor, yugoslavia would be able to relinquish a part of its territory
this was obviously not the case
>>60780176
>Russians invaded themselves.
As I said, it is impossible invade your own country.
They as the name says were handling a rebellion in their own country.
There was no invasion of any kind.
>>60780152
>take up arms and start terrorising and killing your serbian neighbors
>army enters the town to liberate it and establish peace
>armed terrorists are now civilians
croat cowardice at work everybody
>>60780097
Of course i mean those poor soliders had no idea they were heading into a foreign country.
>>60778211
>Kočevje
Funnily I live in an area which is called Kociewie. And it was the cradle of Poles when the Germans have come and cleansed everything around, expect for Kocievians
Maybe Kočevje is where some Kocievians had escaped :--DDD
>>60780222
missed a sentence there m8
>... determine alterations in the state's boundaries. It was not clearly defined whether it was possible unilateral secession or only if the federal government and all of the republics and provinces agree to it.
important sentence i might add
>>60780231
And as I said, the rebellion was in Krajina and the Serb-dominated JNA was supporting it. Yugoslavia struck against SR Croatia.
>>60780222
>Article 5 requires the consent of all republics and provinces before the borders of Yugoslavia can be altered.
can't stress this enough
>>60780236
i guess there was a meteor in the sky jus as they were about to pass the border so no one noticed
>>60780126
Brainwashed by daddies and grandpas now they are the brave soldiers who were on the first line shooting at each other by fast typing over the keyboard
>>60780288
stress this
>>60780268
>>60780282
No, the rebellion was in SR Croatia
You had no right to secede, no legal or international right.
It was illegal without consent from all republics under Yugoslav constitution.
>>60780268
so it was not clear
and now you say that JNA basically just went crazy and started invading places for no reason whatsoever. it's obvious that the situatuion was unclear, and it's perfectly reasonable that in such situations the army is more inclined to keep the country in one piece rather than just letting it fall into pieces
what many people here are doing is just simply playing dumb
>>60780296
Hey i admit it this is fucking sad this shit storm.But i would without a second thought give my life for this country.
>>60780341
The Krajina rebellion was before we proclaimed independence. So no, you're wrong. Serb-dominated Yugoslavia acted against SR Croatia and left us no choice.
>>60780341
so you're saying we're actually de jure yugoslavia this moment
and all those yugonostalgics think they have anything to be nostalgic about man...
>>60780341
>You had no right to secede, no legal or international right.
croats wanted out
had that right by 1874 constitution and by being fucking adults with their own culture and wishes
held referendum, won
proclaimed independence
what is the big fuss about? no one wants to live with you not even montenegrins or kosovars
>muh JNA was keeping the federation intact
>only interested in Serb-majority areas
>engaging in ethnic cleansing
>razing down cities and villages
Wew, some way to keep the federal peace, eh?
>>60780397
no, but you were in 1991. and in the beginning of 1992. when JNA was active in croatia
sure, the retreat wasn't done in an instant and milosevic did try to pull a fast one, but what you refer to as a full scale invasion was actually a half assed action by the army on the territory that was internationally recognized as yugoslavia
>>60780415
No balkan country favors the Serbs ? Just Russia ?
>>60779883
The NDH was a puppet state ran by the Germans and Italians essentially. Not like they voted in Pavelić, in fact the Germans didn't even want to set up Pavelić, they only did so after Maček (leader of the HSK, the largest Croatian party at the time) refused to run a government and actually sent its representative to the Yugoslav government in exile.
t.me
>>60780005
>Old bulgarian = old church slavonic
See, that's where you're wrong. Neither were Cyrill and Methodus Bulgarian, nor did they live in Bulgaria. In fact they only came to Bulgaria after they were expelled from Moravia by the Pope after already setting up a school there and only then they developed Cyrillic, not Old church slavonic (which used glagolica instead) in Bulgaria.
Thanks for trying though.
>>60780242
Germans called it Gottsche (germanized Kočevje) and they were essentially settler/colonists that came to the area in around the 14th century if I remember correctly. No idea why they went there. It's a heavily wooded area with bears and shit.
>>60780369
>and now you say that JNA basically just went crazy and started invading places for no reason whatsoever. it's obvious that the situatuion was unclear, and it's perfectly reasonable that in such situations the army is more inclined to keep the country in one piece rather than just letting it fall into pieces
that was in slovenia
and what the fuck was that in croatia then? bombing a city to the ground is a ok tactic that had no connection to grayhead in Dedinje or Narčetanje?
>>60780415
so why can't republika srpska secede from bosnia in the same fashion?
i'm not talking about 5 people or shit like that, in republika srpska we have a relatively large (compared to the entire country) territory with a homogenous population, and 90% of them want out
>>60780415
>1874 ?
You didn't fucking even exist then.
If you mean 1974, no you didn't, read the constitution again.
>>60780397
No, you can't be, you left Yugoslavia with violent means.
>>60780383
RSK declared independence only after Croatians voted for theirs on their referendum, it was a response, if you could declare independece, so could they.
The referendum in which Serbian citizens of SR Croatia didn't vote, making the referendum even more illegal.
>>60780457
Only one, Greece.
Just Greece.
Maybe Montenegro and even Macedonia to some extent.
Romania is just plain old neutral.
>>60780457
macedonia does because they also have problems with albanians
romania likes them too, but i dont now if they are balkan
bulgarians are mixed bag of feelings towards them
>>60778311
>This is nice, except for Macedonia going to Bulgaria
kill yourself faggot
>>60780457
macedonia, montenegro and romania like us
croatia, muslim part of bosnia and slovenia hate or dislike us
bulgaria is so-so, it depends
>>60780498
i dont know dayton probably
>>60780560
Slovenia doesn't hate us.
>>60780461
nobody said kiril and metodii were bulgarians you autistic mouthbreathing faggot
cyrillic was created by bulgarians at the preslav literary school, kiril and metodii didn't create cyrillic
>>60780498
>so why can't republika srpska secede from bosnia in the same fashion?
it should have that right i agree completley
UK, USA, FRA (thanks for embargo fuckshits) that liked YU so much does not agree and Bosniaks too
I would like people do decide their own destinies like that northern part of Kosovo or Herzegovina
>>60780560
slovenia hates us
>>60780540
Macedonians aren't Bulgarians, and give them Pirin back.
>>60780589
>>60780560
Slovenes like Serbia just because it annoys Croats.
>>60780517
typo man, you know yourself its a fucking typo
it's 1974
>>60780560
slovenes love you
they hate us... well dislike
>>60780620
weak b8
>>60780596
>cyrillic was created by bulgarians at the preslav literary school
Even if I agree and say, "Okay", you're still fucking wrong.
Old church slavonic didn't use cyrillic, it used glagolitic. So, now apologize and say you're sorry for being wrong.
Will never happen m80s, and if they try we'll BTFO them again (and again and again and again)
>>60780668
I did assume so
And already answered
Even under 1974 constitution it was illegal.
You needed consent from all the republics.
>>Article 5 requires the consent of all republics and provinces before the borders of Yugoslavia can be altered.
>>60780607
well, i'd say i agree with that
and i agree that there were no such homogenous serb areas in croatia and that the same doesn't apply to krajina (because they needed to expell 200k croats in order to achieve an ethnically serb 400k people state)
but the problem with bosnia was that alija wanted to put an ethnic bosniak flag on the top of the sarajevo assembly and run entire bosnia as an ethnic bosniak state, despite the fact that bosniaks were like 45% of the population distributed on like 40% of the land
>>60780694
^^^^^^
This
>>60780684
not b8
>>60773037
Looks like crawfish. Just cut off Vojvodina, this kills smrdins.
>>60780826
then you're autistic and should talk to literally all the macedonians on /int/, they know their bulgarian origin
>>60780687
>Old church slavonic didn't use cyrillic, it used glagolitic.
And it was also occasionally known as Old Macedonian.
>>60780743
ah ffs!
look overt the thread that has been discussed like 5 times already
>>60780687
Why agree ?
Cyrillic was invented by students of Cyril and Methodius who were also Greek, just like two of them, no matter where they fucking lived, they were Greek.
Every nation that uses Cyrillic script is thanking Greece for it and learns the Greek students made it from work of Cyril and Methodius.
Every nation, except Bulgarians.
Example, this monument in Russia Vladivostok, celebrates them for creating Cyrillic
having been to Russia and Belarus and Ukraine, I can safely say that they learn it the same also.
>>60778212
HUNGARIAN BORDER JUSTICE
>>60780819
>>60780886
be butthurt all you want, you were talking about it to me before as well.
It doesn't change the constitution and nobody ever provided proof for opposite.
What you did was illegal
Slovenia as well
per 1974 constitution
or any other constitution of Yugoslavia that you can think of.
>>60780819
>autistic virgins don't even get this chunk of land means bosnia will always be a souverign (meme) country
>>60780970
it wasnt illegal, but let's say it was? we had a war, u lost, why bitch about it now
>>60780970
Not to mention that the constitution of 1974 was the worst constitution in history. It was the longest, outdoing the Indian constitution (which has a fucking caste system). And it had like 50 amendments that were poorly written, and the were often times at odds with the constitution.
>>60780819
Serbs are majority in Brcko. We can easily take over that city, it's not even a problem
>>60781038
I'm not, but stop pretending it wasn't illegal.
It was.
You started the war. You declared independence illegally and then attacked Yugoslav forces in their own country.
You can't say we were invaded.
I can respect you saying, we attacked Yugoslavia and took our independence by force.
>>60780668
>>60780560
>>60780589
>>60780664
Frankly, we don't particularly like any of you. We shit talk Croats the most for obvious reason, but we're also closest with them and they're closest with us even when they don't admit it.
Fun.
>>60780819
>>60781002
>You now realize the west cucked both Serbia and Croatia so we can have a (meme) country
>>60780920
>Every nation that uses Cyrillic script is thanking Greece for it and learns the Greek students made it from work of Cyril and Methodius.
hahahaha you fucking delusional faggot
Cyrillic was created at the Preslav Literary School, in the capital of the First Bulgarian Empire by Cyril and Methodius' students, who were Bulgarian according to every source, even unbiased one.
You're FYROM-tier delusional.
>>60781161
>You started the war.
>You declared independence illegally and then attacked Yugoslav forces in their own country
Retard level: over 9000
>>60781158
Not the point who can take it or who lives there but its special administration, it cuts republika srpska in half thus making it impossible to seceed
>>60781161
yugoslavia stopped existing when its founder nation (croatia) left it
but yea whatever
>>60781166
idc, i like bosnia as a country
>>60781208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyt0CxiwWBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w2PMEWh6EM
>>60781038
>we had a war
you mean croats, bosniaks, albos, americans, british etc. etc. and serbs had a war and it ended in a bunch of ''sides return to negotiations, autonomy of this and that, everybody be nice now'' mickey mouse treaties
>>60780920
>Why agree ?
because he's not an autistic brainwashed faggot like you?
