>conscriptioncucks
>>60702733
>almost all western european nations have abolished conscription
>be born in finland
>>60702937
You also sweep floors for 9 months?
>>60702937
why dont you then have conscription for your women too?
norway did that to celebrate the 100 anniversary for women's suffragette
>>60702733
>fat cowards
>>60703036
>manboob cowards
Mostly because we don't to pay for it, we have enough manpower and there is no point hurting women too.
>tfw tj < -2000
>>60703036
Too expensive and our reserve
is oversized already
>>60703110
>>fat cowards
let's be fair here. if you join US military you join being part of a unsolvable conflict. if you get conscripted into Finland military, you'd never get into war unless Russia goes full tard
>>60702733
>not having your character built by a brotherhood of warriors
>not having a relevant military skill
>not having the opportunity to see combat and lead your fellow soldiers
>not making lifelong brotherly friendships
>having the defence of your nation in the hands of white trash loosers that had no other option other than enlist for money
Western degenerates, what will you do when they come for you?
>>60703034
6-12
>>60703360
>cleaning floor
>cleaning toilets
>skinning potatoes
>waiting 3 hours in cold weather just for commander
yea brothers in arms my ass. military is just the worst way to consume a man's time.
I'd go through a conscription in Finland of Switzerland if I had a chance
>>60703360
>two and a half
>fucking
>years
>>60703360
the only thing i learned at the army is how much i hate low class people (like REALLY low class ME people) and how to sleep while standing, on a stupidly cold/hot weather.
>>60703360
I wish we had had concentration camps in Hungary, so we could've shoved jews in the oven too, so today we wouldn't have to suffer reading your ignorant, retarded posts.
>>60703560
3 years + reserve duty to train for few weeks once a year.
>>60703514
>>cleaning floor
Well it's your floor, do you expect them to have your mommy come in to clean it?
>>cleaning toilets
Same, you shit there you clean it. That's how it works in your own apartment too
>>skinning potatoes
Why? There are cooks
>>waiting 3 hours in cold weather just for commander
That would be against regulations. If the commander doesn't show up in 30 minutes the company is automatically dismissed untill farther notice and besides, you can become a commander after a year.
>oh no, I have to go and shoot guns, blow things up an generally do cool manly stuff, how awful
>I wish I could just stay at home in my basement and not go on this adventure
Thank god I was born in a first world white country.
>>60703769
That doesn't even begin to insult me friend, as my character was built by the army. I can and will kill you though, if you ever build a concentration camp for non muslims.
>>60703996
Only 60 % true
>>60704059
Will you build a concentration camp for muslims?
>>60702937
what do you actually have to do when your called up, I wouldnt mind conscription
>>60703945
>white guys understanding of joining the army
>magical fun time adventure.
i wish i could posts decapitated soldier heads from ME on 4chan
I don't think I would have what it takes to join the military, if it was a war I would be just cannon fodder. Not everyone's meant to serve.
>>60704108
It's 91% true in my state.
Largest minorities are blacks at 2.9%, and asians at 1.7%
>>60704059
>That doesn't even begin to insult me friend, as my character was built by the army.
He thinks it's "character building"!!!!! Hahahahaha Get a load of this crap. It's called brainwashing you stupid redneck fuck.
>>60704059
Do Muslims in Israel have any kind of conscription?
>>60704211
Receive a military training. It would be more more accurate to call the military a summer camp for adults, though.
>>60704211
if you have a uni degree, its mostly office work/cleaning duty/cooking duty with soldier clothing.
If not, its just running for an entire day, standing infront of a door for hours and sometimes shooting shit.
its SUPER fucking boring
>>60704211
>>60704575
I read the question carelessly. In brief, your health is checked beforehand and your service (time, date, training, location, etc.) is determined in the draft.
>>60704575
>Receive a military training. It would be more more accurate to call the military a summer camp for adults, though.
absolutely this but those fun kids from summer camp turned into absolute shitty people.
>>60704059
lol i know some muslims fought for israeli side. every israeli male citizen have to be conscripted no matter what.
>>60704575
Their dilemma of choosing between loyalty to the state and their people is respected so they can choose to join the army but don't have to. Also, you can't trust them if you do it by force.
Other non Jewish minorities Druze, Cherkes etc, that choose to side with us in the war of independence have conscription like everyone else.
>>60702733
Starting mine in 3 weeks for 11 months
>>60703863
You forget they are turks, the attitude in muslim aemies between oficcer and grunt is more like a slave/master relationship.
>>60704887
Females too, but for 2 years and they need to sign a waiver and a contract for longer service if they want to get accepted to battlefront units.
The muslims that fight on our sides are usually minorities like Druze and Cherkes and several Beduin tribes. Assirians, some Christians as well. All of them would feel uncomfortable to live under palestinian rule.
it was the worst year of my life, glad it's over
>>60705281
I understand that its not like our army that is notoriously undisciplined in relations between different ranks but Turkeys army supposed to be the most advanced secular part of Turkey.
>>60705394
Doesnt mean they arent hard asses towards lower ranks, especially conscripts.
Russians also do that, without being muslims
>>60705281
yea pretty much like this. conscript are considered piece of shits by officers. but i think this is old military tradition since seljuks
>>60705298
if i know women can do community service instead of military in god's chosen country.
>>60705281
the german knows it.
conscript are kinda like deck boys in a navy from 1800.
They do boring meaningless tasks
>>60704302
yeah, peace time is awesome
stay jelly
>I will never be conscripted
>I will never spend a year playing with guns with my bros
>>60703360
Shlomo is so right
>>60705299
t. sami
>>60703360
If being a reservist is so great, then why isn't it completely voluntary? Why does the state have to use conscription?
Would you and others still have joined the army if it wasn't required of you?
>>60702733
Best and worst time of my life. Can't wait for refresher training.
I miss the army
>The unique relationship inside the troop
>The constant hardships and the satisfaction in beating them
>Constant workouts and easy access to the gym, being best shape of my life
>Learning alot of new skills and becoming far more independent than before
>Free food (even got a decent messhall), desserts atleast once a week
Really an unique experience I wouldnt be without
>>60705548
Yes they can. Also pacifists and the like. Some years ago they attempted to make this civilian service compulsory for arabs that don't serve in the army but their political parties shut this down because not serving gives them a headstart in their career over jews and they need it because >muhh affermative action
>>60706084
Hell no, it was terrible.
But it's still everything the jew listed out and more and an institution that I hope we never get rid of.
>>60706084
No. Most normal high quality people wouldn't choose a military career but they won't dodge the draft either. That's why a ''professional army'' is a bluff. Conscripted army has access to much better human resources than the ''proffesional'' one.
>>60703360
Sounds gay
>>60703945
>hanging out with a bunch of guys alone in the woods
Seems kinda gay
>>60706753
>>60706840
Woman detected
>>60706753
What makes you say that?
>>60706753
It is
>>60707270
>>60706753
There's nothing gay about spooning for warmth :^)
>>60707348
Is he getting his Sergeant rank?
>>60707544
I sure do hope so
>>60703666
>How to sleep while standing
Neat
>>60704211
>>60703360
>Not getting out of serving because you're "mentally ill" according to the army
sucker tbqh
>>60708468
Good luck finding a real job with that written in your discharge papers, teen edgelord.
>>60702733
>will probably fight in an irl war in my lifetime
>>60703360
>le brotherly bond
>end up a grunt contemplating suicide because stuck with brown trash mizrahi bydlos for 3 years
>expected to go to war with bydlos you won't even trust to pay you back for a pack of smokes
this is such bullshit
i'm not saying the army didn't build my character and matured me from a teenager to a man and work ethics and yadi yadi yada but the social part in most cases is utter shit, most people in this country are insufferable especially in army age.
>>60708468
>mfw had 21 in hand but fought to enlist
>mfw ust now realising i could've so easily have avoided this suffering
i will never be naive again
I would do it, but no more than 3 months
any more would be wasteful i feel
>>60708189
this is amazingly accurate
>>60709551
3 months, 3 years no biggy eh
>>60703945
>oh no, I have to go and shoot guns, blow things up an generally do cool manly stuff, how awful
>tfw kitchen service
> mfw I got rejected because I'm too short
Take that lank freaks!
>>60709833
How """tall""" are you?
>>60708468
>>60708733
Funny how you can hear the exact same discussion here about C papers
>>60710087
the exact same height as Tom Cruise
>>60710278
You can be a top gun or a tunnel rat.
>>60705717
>norwiegans get top notch comfy new gear
>don't even use it for war
>in the meanwhile we get sent to war with nigger rigged worn out gear, nigger rigged worn out M4s, shitty boots that fuck your feet and back etc etc
jelly indeed
>>60710670
i have a guy in my platoon who's even a tad shorter desu
he can also be in tank crew or artillary or whatnot
personally i found that manlets last longer than super tall guys
though 180ish is the perfect height
>>60711844
well it's a bit more nuanced than that, we just came out of the war in afghanistan that lasted for about a decade
and the gear is new because our old gear was REALLY old, it was about time we did something about it
>>60708189
What's a valo bete?
>>60702733
Mine ended just 2 days ago. I served for 6 months, AMA
>>60703036
>men and women
>equal
Choose one.
>he serves for free
>>60715719
>He only defends his contry if he gets a good pay.
Oh wait. You wouldn't even understand the concept of national defence.
>>60702733
Tfw i volunteered. Gon be a CO someday.
Our last conscripts were sent to Srbenica in the early 90s. It kinda fucked them up so they decided to shut down conscription.
Are they gonna let me go if I have extreme autism? I'm ready to act it up, if I need to. Or just go full REEEEEE and tell them I'm gonna hang myself.
t. haven't been called up yet
>>60716876
just show up with signs of poor hygiene, long but not long shaggy hair, axila hodor, stains on clothe, long nails
just don't oberdoo it
>>60702733
Meh, its just compulsory (and not even that since the lottery system only selects some and gives a free pass to others, don't know the ratio) cardio training with some martial references thrown in, while it does last a full year its only 1 day a week for 5 hours, I'm doing mine mine next year just to get it over with since not having the released military service card can screw you over in some job applications.
This military feeling is mutual, regardless of location I feel.
>>60719351
This shit happened to us every fucking day
>>60702733
>tfw not fit for active duty
awesome
I feel so glad I got rejected
thank god I didn't fell for the
>le army build le character
> le army makes you a le man
These are just memes from people who got cucked by the army say to themselves to feel better
>>60719351
Just another day defending my country
>>60721003
If you got rejected, doesn't that make you the cuck?
>>60706990
>doesn't get the Simpsons reference
>>60716876
Are you saying you have autism but still want to do conscription? Or are you thinking of pretending to have autism to get out of it?
I went through basic training with an aspie. No idea how he got through recruiting, but needless to say he didn't do very well.
>>60709360
Sociomat hated by the whole platoon detected.
I hope the Marines get sent somewhere soon enough
recommendedly within 7 months
>>60725012
Operation Gaylord?
>>60723971
It is obligatory to sign, then they will accept or reject you, if you don't sign you can't have a job or college
>non conscription fags
you don't know what it is like to live in a country with %15 of the population trying to kill you and all the neighbors waiting for the opportunity to steal your land familiamamalia
conscription is necessary in our little roach-hole
>Get to walk around in forests like in childhood
>Get actual gun handling skills for future
>Get to test what is your breaking point and how far you can get.
Conscription is all about the mindset imo. If you hate from the start you will never like it and if you went with a positive outlook you will most likely have at least a decent time there.
>>60703216
>if you join US military you join being part of a unsolvable conflict
no my dumb goyim, you'll be the serving kikes that run your "country"
screw that deal, komrade
>>60702937
You have it easy
>>60726245
conscription creates a lot of abuse in the military on young conscripts, when it was mandatory here that shit was rampant.
It's why I dodged conscription
>>60726292
>It's why I dodged
Eh rules are strict here and situations where actual danger to the conscript is a possibility are usually very rare and heavily scrutinized.
I think the more common fuckery is part of the experience.
> tfw did reserves for 3 years
> corporal fag
> loving it
> I plan to go active duty in one year
> go to therapist because I often get depressed/irrational
>after some time she starts to think I'm bipolar
> I thought about it but I never wanted it to be true so I scoffed it off
> go see another therapist
> he thinks the same too and diagnosed me
> fuck
> a few months later
> talk to lieutenant
> ask for advice
> during these months I had been really disattached to everyone
> I end up getting honorably discharged
> I ask my lieutenant why
> "Personality disorders don't go well with the military. It's for the best"
I tried rejoining last year and they said no
>>60726334
>Eh rules are strict here
they were strict here as well, I told them to fuck off anyways because this family doesnt serve no kikes or leftists, and since thats what this government and it's high branches of military is overrun with. I didnt serve them.
>>60726383
Neither are really a thing in Finland since everyone knows who is the common enemy here.
Doesn't matter if you lean to the right or the left, east is the direction we guard with dread.
>>60726427
Around Russians never relax
>>60726459
youre no better my yankee doodle dumb fuck, I place both of yous at the same level.
>>60726482
You have to pick between NATO or the Russians
>>60716262
Not only do we understand it, but we understand international defense too
>>60726506
No you dont
stupid fucker
>>60702937
Feels Goodman.
Don't have to use your own brain for a year.
>>60726520
Then what?
>>60726292
That's more of a post soviet thing
>>60726383
>I'm so overly patriotic that I refuse to serve my country
>If left alone with my fellow country men they will surely abuse me
Is there anything more amusing than a neckbird nazi pol from /pol/?
>>60703036
1.we dont want them to shit it up
2.those in power say that because women give birth they dont need to be conscripted because they are equal already (for real they say this)
>>60729787
Why prove your capable of anything by your own actions if you can just bitchpost about equality on facebook.
![[002216].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BdMjX3H.jpg "[002216].jpg")
>>60726383
>I hate leftists so much I dodge conscription
/pol/tards at their finest
>>60703216
You fight for freedom.
Also, Finland has gone full tard and is picking a fight with Russia.
fucking caprice
>>60732924
Would be fun
Russians will never attack NATO countries and that's a fact. We should just join already and try to get the other euros to start consripting again.
>>60733366
As Stalin said, there is no need for formal alliances. Nobody will go to war over a piece of paper unless it's in their own interest. And if it's in their own interest, they will help you anyway.
>>60702733
Sauce?
>>60729787
There wouldn't be a finland for soldiers to protect if women didn't bloat for 9 months (hopefully multiple times) though.
>>60729787
>(for real they say this)
I know, feminists have said the same thing here
>>60732807
>Also, Finland has gone full tard and is picking a fight with Russia.
Hello Vanja.
>>60735338
https://www.google.com/searchbyimage?image_url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.4cdn.org%2Fint%2F1465754759648.jpg&safe=off
Here's your source
>>60735493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70
Women have ruined the world.
>>60704721
this
conscription is just wageslavery without the wage and no quitting allowed
>>60702733
this hahahahaha
>>60707270
>>60707348
that is fucking gay even sivari is better
>>60702937
>>60705299
i'm c paper god haha why you suffer in vain :DD :^))
Thank god I'm autistic so I wouldn't have to do shit even if we had conscription.
>>60735634
>lib can't argue his point
>brings up the missing link arguement
>dodged conscription
>voted for keeping it afterwards
>its another i rather have my defense handled by reptilian paid shills rather than my friends and neighbors episode
if a shitty and oppressive government is elected and is using a professional army to wipe out the opposition,guess who is on the receiving end?
It must be seriously shitty for people that don't want to go to have this mandatory.
Does any conscript military pay well?
The salaries I have heard of hear do not sound good.
I wouldnt survive boot camp
>>60738909
In Denmark you get a salary of like 1300$/month, and like 25$ daily for food.
>>60739481
Sounds pretty good, more than I expected.
Enlisted here start at around $1600 per month
It was replaced in 1996 in France
Now you have to sit in a classroom with powerpoints
and you take a walk around a military base
and you learn basic first aid
very boring day desu
They abolished it here a long time ago; but my dad was very nearly conscripted to fight in Vietnam. I'm glad that didn't happen, frankly the man is messed up enough as it is.
>>60739688
Keep in mind it's Denmark, prices can get seriously retarded over there.
>>60738638
very stupid decision, its an economic harm because it keeps people away from working and away from university for a whole year while having no direct use.
if you have a college degree than conscription will basically have killed the last year of your career in income and taxes and thats a massive loss.
even worse our zivis also steal jobs that unemployed would need.
>>60705548
>but i think this is old military tradition since seljuks
People that treated their subordinates like shit forged two massive empires? Oghuz are strange people.
>>60702937
>western european
You aren't Western European.
You literally touch Russia you fat whore.
>>60726245
but that is conscription in finland, conscription in austria has only 3-4 weeks of walking in the forests, 2 days og shooting and after that 5 months of just sitting around, cleaning the facilities and pretending to do stuff.
its completely useless here.
>>60726245
>Get to walk around in forests like in childhood
I can do that anytime I want for as long as I want without being
surrounded by a bunch of stupid and abnoxious butt fuckers
>Get actual gun handling skills for future
I can do that on call of duty, or with a stick and go "pew pew pew"
>Get to test what is your breaking point and how far you can get.
Your breaking point changes as you get older, it never stays the same.
And I snap easily
SISSY
CIVIL
BOIS
>>60739898
>france can't have conscription since muzzies would shoot them instead
Top lel.
>>60741318
STUPID
DUMB
CONSCRIPT
SCUM
>>60703360
Well, you're talking about different situations. You're constantly threatened by countries with a seemingly endless supply of explosive apes. The western countries aren't. Our conscription, however, can hardly be justified. Our army is not there so that we're protected against everyone else. It's there so that everyone else has to seek protection against us. That seems to be our idea of grandeur.
>>60741368
they also test for illiteracy
>>60741513
But my point is that the era of Europe not being surrounded by enemies is over. The question is if their citizens are capable of stepping back from post ww2 mentality or are they just Eloi now.
>>60713047
The real name is "valopetrooli", it's lamp oil. That shit has burned many tents and eyebrows.
>>60715719
>"""""""free""""""
Well we get paid 5-12€/day and free healthcare and all that other shit. So I wouldn't call it "for free"
>>60742008
>€30 A MONTH
Like he said
FREE, GRATIS , ZA DARMO
>>60742008
>5-12€/day to scrub toilets and march across 50km frozen tundra
Even the Janitor laughs at you
>no conscription
>no year of marching and getting sodomized by drill instructors
>go to uni at 18
>get started in career at 22
>conscriptionfags will never know this feel
>>60735493
Wasnt they the ones who brought it uo since it was in celebration of the 100 anniversary of womens voting rights?
>>60742008
in greece the conscript salary is 8 euros.
A month.
