What do you think about Venezuela?
>>60632982
Very sad to see my place of birth go to shit :^(
>>60632982
I lost money because of them. Draw against Urugay
Its flag looks a lot like Russia's.
>>60633025
You are a traitor to your ancestors
Dinosaur killers
even more of an uninteresting shithole than Colombia
>>60633025
What do you mean? Venezuela is better than ever
>>60633164
How so?
>>60633377
This is actually not a very accurate statement.
It's getting so fucked up, I'm worried for my family there
And here in Spain we have to listen to the fucking podemitas saying that it's not so bad, it's going well. Totally, shitheads, just like Castro didn't ruin Cuba, not at all! What a bunch of idiots
>>60632982
a nice country that was doing fairly good until a bunch of ignorant motherfuckers thought socialism would make things better, and then things started going terribly wrong... now they're enjoying themselves and appreciating the greatness of being socialist... a bunch of stupid assholes who dragged with them other innocent people into a socialist shithole...
>>60633435
I believe he says that because of Chavez (and 60% of its followers) hating on USA. I could be wrong though.
>>60633025
I hope that trump wins so they will deport you
>>60632982
Shithole
What are they waiting for to get rid of Maduro?
puto país comunista
>>60637153
Sounds like Argentina right before and after peronism happened
>>60632982
Great country that is waking up to the ugly side of socialism. For all their oil they should be at the least as wealthy as Chile. Hopefully they will correct their mistake soon and do so in a bloodless manner.
>>60637405
>implying they have the strength do rise up against that retard when many are starving and there are no med supplies
>implying they stand a chance against a bunch of illiterate minions that are armed to the teeth and will not hesitate to preserve peace in the socialist paradise they're blessed to live in
>>60632982
I don't
>>60637834
has it ever had a good side? socialism is simply fucked up, there's enough evidence out there to see that when you implement such shitty policies, the entire country goes down the toilet (what worries me the most is that despite all this people keep believing in that shit...scary as hell)
>>60632982
I hope they dont take our islands.
Every now and then our media tells us there is a change they will come for them like Argentina tried to take falklands
>>60637969
forgot pic
>>60637925
>what worries me the most is that despite all this people keep believing in that shit
It's because retards keep conflating the Nordic model with socialism so they think that more government is always good all the time
>>60637969
Don't we have mutual defense agreements with the Netherlands?
>>60637925
Agree with you 100%. I just don't say that because then I come across as el Americano imperialisto.
On a related note please do your part to privatize most or all of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Government-owned_companies_of_Mexico
>>60637992
>Don't we have mutual defense agreements with the Netherlands?
If you mean NATO, i dont think those islands are included
>>60638007
you whitey or chicano (surely not gooks, those guys are hostile as fuck)? because it applies to whites (most of the time)
>>60638075
>i dont think those islands are included
Weird
$500 for a loaf of bread
Ok
>>60632982
it's a shithole
>>60637405
>coups only work with military back-up (Chavez made sure to pay off all generals after he got temporarily removed from power in 2002)
>his term doesn't end until 2018
>the government invalidated 700 thousand out of the 2 million signatures to call for a referendum to remove Maduro and now are demanding that the ones who signed have to validate their signatures again in their states' capital (Which is nearly impossible in a country where a lot of people don't have means of transportation to do that)
>whatever law the opposition controlled congress passes to make the country less of a shithole gets declared inconstitutional by the chavista supreme court.
>>60638148
whitey but not evil I promise. Maybe I'm an idiot but I genuinely believe that free markets fix problems and make everyone richer.
Socialist government leads to the country with the world's largest proven oil reserves being poorer than the average country in Africa.
And socialist monopoly companies lead to Carlos Slim instead of several smaller, more efficiently run companies competing to offer you great service at lower cost.
>>60638227
That's really sad. Remember that your country has more oil than Saudi Arabia. You should be rich.
Do whatever you need to do to fix your country man. Good luck.
>>60638358
>Remember that your country has more oil than Saudi Arabia
Venezuela has heavy crude. It's very difficult to refine and shale+Saudi oil has destroyed its value
>>60637969
Nah, Dutch are too "politically irrelevant" here (no offense) for Maduro to do a propaganda invasion, not to mention that a lot of chavistas bigwigs love going to Aruba on vacation.
He'll stick to picking fights with the US and Colombia. Since it's easier to blame them for the problems that his administration has caused with a simple "they want to steal our oil" and "they are jealous of how great Chavez and the revolution are so they want it to fail"
>>60638379
Also, wasn't that the fall of the oil price in Venezuela also also played a major roll in the crisis?
>>60632982
I really hope they get better. And I don't blame anyone for leaving the country. It's must be really sad for a mother force their kids to move out of the country just like that, and staying behind.
>>60638406
Yeah, but Chavez had over ten years of oil at the highest price it has ever been in history, the corruption and government incompetence is so bad that two years of lower oil prices turns the country into fucking Mad Max
>>60638406
From what I've heard, the economic drop is analogous to the US losing the entire services industry and then some overnight, so I'd say it played a significant role. The corruption didn't help either
>>60638287
i agree with you on the benefits of the free market, the problem is when the owners of the corporations want to make more money and "go full hyper mega kike" and ship off the jobs somwhere else (you know: it's cheaper n sheeeittt, more sheckels"). This happened to you once (and we didn't precisely benefiated from it because low wages), but still, much much better than socialist bullshit
>(asking because nowadays, more than ever whiteys are becoming hostile, though after watching what happened in San Jose i can't blame you, that was fucking disgusting and embarrassing as fuck)
>>60638481
God I hate the PSUV, buch of hypocrites and corrupt monkeys.
(There V symbol looks pretty cool I'll give them that)
>>60638580
Not him
>though after watching what happened in San Jose i can't blame you, that was fucking disgusting and embarrassing as fuck
Assuming you're talking about the Trump protests, what did your media say about that?
>>60638402
holy shit, a venezuelan here. What's up man, how bad things are down there? from what i've read and heared it's like the fucking "happening" happened there (but multiply 100 fucking times), that it will not be too long until you start canibilizing one another
>>60638481
So much this.
>will oil stay at over $100 a barrel forever?
>yes let's plan our next 20 years of state budget assuming that oil revenue will keep increasing at this amount.
>good idea. fluctuating prices in the commodities market are all a false capitalist invention
Serious question:
It seems that socialists take credit when the international capitalist market decides that the oil is valuable and then blames evil foreign conspiracy when the oil becomes less valuable due to those same market forces.
Have people woken up to the myth of socialist prosperity or do they actually believe the regime?
>>60638612
nothing has been said thus far (or probably didn't watch it when they broadcast it). Anyway, if they did, it surely must have been as follows:
-A great number of protesters gather outside the hall where Trump was giving a speech and then they start attacking the supporters. Reporters and "experts" have stated that it has been the most violent rally thus far and that things are getting worse little by little and all is Trump's fault (and then more bullshit saying Hillary is running to defend the immigrants and that sort of things, which is ridiculous if you ask me.) As you can see, not too different from what your news channels or websites often say: Trump is hitler and hilary is the closest thing to the jesus of the immigrants. Personally, it was infurating to see all those chicanos acting like a bunch of brainless apes (and probably some illegals were there too). Things are getting out of control with all the propaganda you have there. So fucking sad.
>>60638402
>Dutch are too "politically irrelevant" here
The point is that its not about the dutch or the netherlands.
Its about the islands, we keep hearing Venezuela thinks the islands are their property.
Also the US has a airforce base there wich Venezuela isnt happy about
>>60638580
You hit the ugly side of capitalism now. Shipping the jobs overseas is very complicated and where my belief in the free market isn't so strong. I actually think that a lot of the people who agree with outsourcing jobs are actually heartless and greedy.
Like they say that the jobs leaving are all low skill anyway and that our workers need to learn to "compete globally"
A lot of those lines are definitely bullshit.
But a lot of times other companies do come in and replace jobs. And it is true that Americans generally are too skilled for some jobs. Like maybe the U.S. doesn't make T-shirts but we do build airplanes.
Anyway I agree it beats socialist corruption and stagnation.
I try to keep a perspective on Mexico, like you all are actually a lot like us (totally horrible revolution 100 years ago, but you're doing ok now). And a lot of the drug violence is caused by the American market. I wish so many Mexican people didn't seem to hate America and believe that the "real border" means that California is part of Mexico.
>>60638721
The protests were barely talked about here, and they were mostly blamed on Trump supporters by CNN and MSNBC. Business as usual I guess. They've been overshadowed by what Trump said about the federal judge
>not too different from what your news channels or websites often say: Trump is Hitler and Hilary is the closest thing to the Jesus
I wonder if they'll tone it down when it turns out that Trump never planned to deliver on any of his promises about the migrants and just grants them amnesty or some shit after building the wall.
>>60638827
another "malvinas are argentinian" complex...kind of hilarious though, especially when you consider the country is literally falling apart
>>60638862
Unstable countries are the most dangerous my brown friend
>>60638618
A lot of the shit is exaggerated, there is food but people still line up in front of supermarkets from 2 am to buy regulated products. It just makes it shittier not having to choose whatever you want to and I fucking miss eating bread and french fries.
The worse problems are medicines, shampoo, toilet paper, deodorants and car parts.
>>60638628
The most retarded part is government higher ups blaming having the world's highest inflation rate on a single fucking website that shows how much are people willing to pay for black market dollars in the country.
>>60638837
what can i say? i can't blame you, shit happens all the time. To be honest, it's kind of understandable why the trump supporters are sick and tired of the current system (who wouldn't be). Sigh, when people start ranting about "WE WUZ AZTECS N SHEEEITTT" EVIL EUROPEANS MUH LANDDD REEEEE, i feel embarrassed as hell because people will start to generalize (what a surprise). The hordes you're receiving is thanks to NAFTA (and the other part is thanks to the downright stupidness of the indios and normies who act pretty much like niggers). What saddens me the most is how degeneracy has spread like wildfire all over the world, europe will become eurabia in the future, and probably you'll be irreparably changed. All the shit they say and i mean: damn, i work my ass off in my country, manage my money and do not bother anyone and despite all that shit half US fucking hate me and haen't done nothing (quite hilarious and yet weird to be honest)
Is Petronas going to go broke and Venezuela will stop exporting oil?
It would really help Canada.
>>60638905
argentina is poor, but it isn't as fucked up as venezuela is now... they still take the WE WUZ WHITE N SHEEEITTT seriously, but that's it (i wouldn't be surprised if in the future Maduro justify that statement with: I'M PRETTY SURE THE DUTCH WILL LET AMERICANS TAKE POSITIONS ON THE ISLAND TO ATTACK US FROM THERE
>>60639032
It's just annoying when an economics discussion about a whole bunch of unskilled and unemployed come into our country it's immediately derailed with people crying racism.
What is interesting and we were kind of already talking about this is that in the old days the company could decide to move wherever it felt it could make more money (move out of the US and into Mexico). The companies moved but the people stayed still.
Now the people are also moving around. Labor is a resource like any other and all these people on the move is a very new development.
Do people in Mexico really consider themselves natives and the Europeans evil? I always think of Mexico as the Spanish Empire like Brazil to Portugal.
>>60638827
Maduro is too busy pretending that the Americans are going to invade us any minute now to do any of that.
Not to mention that the chavista army is too lazy and too busy being professional drug dealers to invade tourist hotspots which would just cause a retalation that would result in a complete BTFO.
Maduro has to keep the army happy because the generals' ridiculously high salaries are the only thing keeping them from overthrowing his incompetent ass.
>>60637992
can you explain how the nordic model and the socialism in latin america are different please?
>>60637153
>was doing fairly good
Well, I guess that compared to nowdays...
>>60639297
Smaller population, denser population, more developed economy, higher literacy rate, population values education, well established democracy (rival factions won't riot or worse after every election/crisis), culture finds corruption absolutely unacceptable, culture values hard work
>>60639225
many people down here know what they are: mixed people, neither mesoamerica indian nor spaniard. We like som holy days like dia de muertos that dates back to the indegenous people, but it's just folklore (besides that, most people celebrate catholic holydays, the problem is the paranoia spread by jewllywood and somtimes the lazyness of americans to do some research before calling names, not all do that of course, but a number does it and since he/she is american, he/she is probably right).
Only a true retard would they are aztecs (the only sort of pure indians that are still alive live in isolated communities far south, shit, even mayas have a teensy bit of spanish genes in them). They use the "muh land" as an excuse and nothing more, and over the course of time and after seeing how fucked up and degenerated most, if not all, muslim countries are i said to myself: Shit, thank godness europeans stumble upon us, because if muslims had things would be much much worse. I can't complain, i'm part amerindian and part spanish (do not know how much amerindian or spanish genes i have, i'm very tall, so i think i'm a bit less indian i guess, but it isn't so important to me), and the conqueror and the cnquered are long gone, the dust of their bones doesn't even remain, and am i going to be bitch about that? talking about stupid people, and the worst part is that when you explain historic facts they consider you a fucking traitor (some are open to it, others are downright cholo shit)
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>>60639482
That's very interesting. Most of the white people in the US are related to those who immigrated from Europe in the 1900s-20s which makes it amusing when all white people are blamed for killing natives and owning slaves.
I for one always believed in loyalty to the flag, not ethnic heritage.
Some people just want to group themselves in with a certain identity above everything else to fit in. It's sad until they get pissed off.
Anyway it's almost 4 AM for me so I'm signing off. You're cool though man, you're welcome on this side of the wall any time. And keep advocating your ideas to your countrymen.
>>60633025
Same
>>60637969
Not on our watch Dutch friend.
>>60641860
Best ally
>>60632982
It's what Spain will look like in 2 weeks
>>60632982
they send qts to chile like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSRJQoW1FbE
we need more in spain
Cool solemn noble anthem
>>60632982
Now that Sanders lost I'm planning on moving there, the USA is fucked.
>>60638481
>>60638628
Actually was Chavez the guy that forced OPEC to raise prices to the levels of the 1973 crisis, because Saudis, Kuwaitties and others didnt care a fuck, now they blame all the problems on foreign countries.
