Was it inevitable?
Was there something Poland could have done? Maybe ally with Russia or Germany against the other and attack preemptively?
And why did the West not declare war on Russia? They even raped Finland.
russia and notsees had a grudge on poland from ww1
the west secretly saw their complaint to be...realistic
obviously turning their backs but after all how had the right to decide how gets what anyway and they were not prepared for how aggressive both powers were
it was hypocris
but no, notsee and the soviets wanted revenge because they both thought they had time to prepare if they had to fight each other
>ally with people trying to exterminate you
>ally with people trying to include you into the Soviet Union
>preemptive attack when you can't even defend yourself
>Why did the West not declare war on Russia?
Normies actually enjoy not being in a war.
Pilsudski should have agreed to the alliance against the commies with Hitler and then not died in 1935
>>60611108
Germany would have never stomached the lack of the Danzig corridor and there's no way in hell we would have just given it away. Hitler needed a war too to keep himself afloat.
Allying with Russia would have just meant ending up a vassal state like it happened post-war.
It was inevitable.
>>60611957
The corridor was supposed to be only a railway
>>60611108
Why Hitler didn't use V2 to Moscow?
>>60612042
>trusting hitler about land
later on it was about the land away from the rails
and later on it was about danzig which is between konigsberg and germany
>>60612139
too late
>>60612139
They already raped enough Russian cities.
But British cities were unharmed... which didn't seem very fair, considering the bombing attacks on German cities.
Well that's my interpretation.
>>60612384
they figured the v2s weren't doing much
the metal could be used for other things
>Was there something Poland could have done?
living between Germany and Russia?, they could have put lubricant
>>60612678
Ally with Germany, at first
>>60611478
Poor Poland. They were sandwiched by the most evil nations of the 20th century... lmao
No wonder they are so patriotic.
>>60613067
implying poles are not evil nation
>>60613106
Maybe but you gotta admit. Our nations really pushed things to another level.
Exterminating all rich people...
Exterminating all Jews...
We are really bad boys, aren't we Ivan? Haha. The only guys more evil than we are the Anglos.
>>60611108
Yes. They could've allied with us in 1938 instead of going for petty Těšín.
you still have the pride to regret
it is not we who are evil
>>60613043
even so, after the fall of the Reich they would have been buttfucked by Russia and the allies anyway, as Germany was
>>60613374
Germany+Poland would conquer the USSR
They could've ceded Danzig or asked to trade it for part of Slovakia.
>>60613280
Dude you and the Brits infiltrated almost every nation on earth in the past 200 years. Your CIA did covert operations and assassinations in almost all countries.
We are literally speaking in your mother language right now and it is teached in most nations.
You can't be top dog without being evil. Your destiny manifest? That's almost 1:1 to our motivation for invading Eastern Europe.
Don't pretend you aren't evil. Castration of criminals and disabled people was done by you first, not by us.
>>60613637
those are not your troubles
we are evil for practical purposes
we have no grudge against race creed or color
>>60613558
that sounds romantic, but very unlikely
anyway, according to what I know, Pilsudski had good relationship with Nazi Germany and Hitler wanted Poland for ally, what happened?
>>60613593
life isn't hoi4 lad
>>60613701
Exactly, Pilsudski died and Beck dissed Hitler's offer, and no, it's not romantic but realistic.
>>60613786
>Pilsudski died and Beck dissed Hitler's offer,
the worst decision of his life, undoubtedly
>>60611108
we should defend czechoslovakia in 38 diplomatically and military. But our politics were to stupid and short sighted to think even one year ahead
>>60613280
yup with czech industrial capabilities and our man power we could defend from germany long enough to deter soviet union or/and persuaded france to attack germany from the west
>>60613558
We never had a grudge against Slavs, only against communism.
Hell, if communism left as alone we wouldn't even hate communism but no:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_Republic
Hard to like a ideology which literally wants to fucking exterminate your traditions and culture and everything sacred to you. That's why it was our enemy.
Why did the Russians had to embrace communism so enthusiastically?
>>60613960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeO9QbR2cSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tmr1DacN7w
>>60613960
>"Peace is a precious and a desirable thing. Our generation, bloodied in wars, certainly deserves peace. But peace, like almost all things of this world, has its price, a high but a measurable one. We in Poland do not know the concept of peace at any price. There is only one thing in the lives of men, nations and countries that is without price. That thing is honor."
t. Józef Beck
>>60613637
nothing wrong with castration of criminals and disabled people 2bh
>>60613996
>We never had a grudge against Slavs, only against communism.
Poland was literally the most anti-communist country in Europe during that time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4I61EkSdgg
>>60614065
>t. Józef Beck
He fucked up, BIG time. So much that he died from a broken heart in the end.
plenty against the jews gays and gypsies
>Why did the Russians had to embrace communism so enthusiastically?
and because russia had more serfs thanthe countries in western europe combined
it's actually not the serfs who are to blame, they had almost no bourgeoisie comparatively so no one to help the ease the transition with no political outlet
the development of communism, at least the physical employment is a reflection of the ills of the society
>>60613637
That is the Czech Republic
>>60613996
>We never had a grudge against Slavs, only against communism.
german occupation in poland from day one was way more brutal than in other conquered countries, both from regural soldiers/police and they commanders. The german hatred towards poles as a nation is one of many causes
>>60613996
>>60614182
forgot to quote
Nazi made cool airplane
>>60613996
>the most bloody civil war in Europe
>Why did the Russians had to embrace communism so enthusiastically?
>>60614219
in the beginning they were pioneers
then it all went bad
>>60613996
>Why did the Russians had to embrace communism so enthusiastically?
That's like asking - why did Germans embrace communism so enthusiastically?
>>60614147
He was a honourable man and a patriot.
>>60614052
thank you, I was looking for that pic, and about the vidyas, pretty badass, gonna watch the second one now
>>60614065
nice words, but in a bad moment, he could have at least prevented the destruction of the country,by having a little of vision
>>60614329
There was nothing anyone could do at that point.
We could try and fight or succumb like Czechoslovaks.
Same could be said about Warsaw Uprising. It ruined the whole city and killed hundreds of thousands while making barely any difference in war but was a huge symbol.
>>60613996
the fuck you talking about Germany chimped out big time when they occupied Poland
>>60614319
Yes, but he was misguided by one of his own advisors (USSR agent) and was a hostage of the Polish knight like mentality of "honour", there is no honour in geopolitics. He still fucked up, believing France, but mostly British fake ass assurances.
>>60614329
Look at 10:05...
>>60614245
If it wasn't embraced enthusiastically there wouldn't have been a civil war. Was there a civil war in Germany? No, because our people said no to communism.
>>60614304
Like I said, Russia became the FIRST communist country, no other country did. You can't deny that. Then they started to export the virus. That is the problem! If they kept communism in their country nobody would have gave a fuck.
>HURR we must turn the entire earth communist! Death to all cultures, religions and traditions!
>Why are those evil nazis attacking me? :(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_International
And no don't say it was because of Jews. If Russians had stood up to them nothing would have happened.
You need two to tango, bro.
>>60612139
The most stupid idea ever. Regular bombers were much more efficient than V-2. Its maximum launch range was only 320 km, and Germans started mass production of these missiles only in 1944, when the frontline was already >500 km far from Moscow.
>>60612384
>British cities were unharmed...
What?
>>60614561
>And no don't say it was because of Jews. If Russians had stood up to them nothing would have happened.
THEY DID, never heard about the Bolshevik revolution aka Russian civil war? White Army (Russian royalists/conservatists) vs Red Army (mostly Jewsish revolutionaries and Russian peasants).
>>60614561
>Was there a civil war in Germany?
Yes there were.
I'm actually surprised you don't know your own history.
>If it wasn't embraced enthusiastically there wouldn't have been a civil war.
> No, because our people said no to communism.
90% of people in Russian Empire were uneducated peasants who didn't give a shit about government.
>>60614669
But why let it go so far? Why not destroy it while it is small, like we did?
Huge chunks of the Czarist army betrayed Russia and sided with the Bolsheviks. You can't deny that.
As much as you want to deny it: Russians really embraced and loved communism. Just ask a random Russian in Russia (Not Moscow).
Hell the communist party is still like the 2nd strongest party in Russia.
And our communist party is banned.
>>60614801
>But why let it go so far? Why not destroy it while it is small, like we did?
Because the White Army lost and 10 million people died, you serious? And there was a civil war in Germany as well, lead by Jews as well, just like in Russia. If Poland lost in 1920, the Bolshevik Jews would help their fellow Jewish communist in Berlin and whole of Europe would become communist. >>60614094
>>60614801
>Huge chunks of the Czarist army betrayed Russia and sided with the Bolsheviks. You can't deny that.
Because Czarist regime was a backward shit and soldiers finally realized that.
>As much as you want to deny it: Russians really embraced and loved communism. Just ask a random Russian in Russia (Not Moscow).
Because all people in Russia think about their quiet life during 50-80s then you say the word "communism". Not about collectivization and raskulachivanie.
>>60614930
Never4get the European genocide (tens of millions of Catholic/Orthodox) committed by pic related.
>>60613239
>Exterminating all rich people...
Exterminating all rich people. Exterminating all smart and open-minded people. Exterminating all initiative and enterprising people. Exterminating all conscious, freedom-loving and independently-thinking people. Exterminating everyone who's against communism and who doesn't fit into the new society. Indoctrinate the survivors with propaganda and keep them in permanent terror. This attempt of establishing communism caused tens of millions deaths in Russia and even more - outside of it, do you think it could really be comparable with 6 million of dead kikes?
>>60614541
>a hostage of the Polish knight like mentality of "honour"
we all are 2bh
>>60614569
V1/2 were amazing ideas though, just too ahead of their time
>>60615178
>outside of it, do you think it could really be comparable with 6 million of dead kikes?
I think what you did was more evil, yes.
We pwnd outsiders. Jews were never really liked in Europe. Comparable with Islamists in Europe today.
You on the other hand exterminated fucking everyone who wasn't a dumb robot who is just doing what he's told to. Your own citizens who just wanted to build a nice life for yourselves. Patriotic citizens. Real Russians who had Russian ancestors etc... and you kept your own population in constant fear and terror.
From the viewpoint of a regular citizen who just wants to have a nice life your regime was 100x more evil than ours.
In the USSR there was no distrinction between Russian or Non-Russian. EVERYONE who disobeyed the government was ruthlessly exterminated.
>>60615198
To bad, we got what we got because of it.
Never seen German poster being so uneducated. Must be a newfriend or plain baiting.
>>60614569
V2 could damage that is not only physics but also physiological
>>60615440
may he is just a turk
>>60615440
>>60615551
I always wondered, there are many people in Russia still thinking that communism was a good idea?
>>60615440
Why uneducated? Because I said there was no civil war?
You can't compare a real civil war like in Russia with over 5 million casualties over many years to a small revolution in Germany which was over after a few months you dumb fuck.
>>60615516
they missed a lot
pretty good with no electronic guidance but still inaccurate by about 30km
>>60615640
The communist party is the second biggest in the Russian federation.
>>60615640
We lived this live. We know how it
>>60611108
>And why did the West not declare war on Russia? They even raped Finland.
wow, i never asked my self that. mindblown.
Is this pic accurate?
>>60613996
>We never had a grudge against Slavs
>What is Generalplan Ost?
>>60615640
>communism was a good idea
Compared to what?
Tsarist regime? Yes.
White army generals fascist dictate? Yes.
Where were no better option for this time. Liberals and democrats were too powerless.
Despite the fact that most of commie leaders were former terrorists, they were the most progressive movement for their time. They were the ones who made Russia literal country, they started electrification campaign, they started industrialization and made Soviet economy one of the biggest.
>>60614078
>nothing wrong with castration of criminals and disabled people 2bh
yea.dont agree with physical castration though.
>>60611108
Why was Russia allowed to keep the land they stole from Poland but Germany had to give away a third of its land to Poland?
>>60615873
according to poles, it is
>>60615964
I understand a little more now, thank you
>>60615995
now that's an option (and a good one), but I don't think they had chemical castration in 1930/40
>>60616065
>Why was Russia allowed to keep the land they stole from Poland
Because it's the land Poland stole from USSR 20 years before that.
>>60616065
because they lost the war. remember germany itself was divided and east germany was part of the soviet bloc as well.
>>60615352
They were amazing ideas, right, but bad and almost useless weapons. Especially, V-1, these buzz-bombs were very easy targets for British air-defense. V-2 were invulnerable though, but at the same time extremely inaccurate and difficult to produce.
>>60616132
>I don't think they had chemical castration in 1930/40
no, probably not. I know chemical castration would never happen for the disabled because people want an all inclusive hug box and dont give a fuck about strengthening the gene pool. but id settle for career criminals, murderers, and sex offenders. baby steps.
>>60615962
>>60615962
There were different factions in the nazi highcommand.
Goebbels was a russiaboo in the beginnign for example but bended to the line due to his conformist character, (just the same way he denied modern art in the end, even though he liked some expressionists in his youth).
With the war dragging on, their motives got more and more megalomanic and madmen like Himmler with their slavhate were allowed to shape the future course.
Generalplan Ost for example was made under himmlers lead around 1940-42.
Race propaganda was also kinda inconsistent, if a people allied with commis it was subhuman, if their closely related brethen like the croats were not they were a noble race to be supported.
Same with the asiatics, central asians were lowlife, while tibetans who didnt like the british were portrayed as a proud race.
>>60616065
Russia occupied half of europe until the collapse of the soviet union, including east germany, now they still hold Kaliningrad, which was once prussia and thus never polish land anyway.
Also russia was a winner.
Winners get the best deals.
>>60615411
>Comparable with Islamists in Europe today.
Sounds like the world needs a necessary evil.
>>60616132
So did you watch it? Seen 10:05? JUST...
>>60616065
>Why was Russia allowed to keep the land they stole from Poland
Because it wasn't Polish land.
>but Germany had to give away a third of its land to Poland?
Because it wasn't German land.
>>60616433
I totally agree with you, castrate disabled people in general isn't necessary, but about criminals would be a good idea.
anyway, it wouldn't be effective in sexual molesters anyway because their pervertion comes from their minds, not from their genitals, they should be sentenced to death directly
>>60616182
>Because it's the land Poland stole from USSR 20 years before that.
You better keep your mouth shut.
>>60616597
>Because it wasn't Polish land.
I said stfu hypocrite.
>>60616592
it must have been awesome to see this in person 2bh
>>60616662
>hurr durr we and zhmudins stole some clay when Rus was hit by Mongols so it's ours
>>60616628
>>60616662
desu there were a lot of Ukrainians and Belorussians in that land
>>60616716
That's dude on the outmost left is Goering, that guy's airforce bombed the shit out of Warsaw and other towns into oblivion... How everything turned because of Beck.
>>60616628
>Maximum extent of Poland
What's your point? If we look at maximum extend of Mongolia then half of Eurasia should be theirs.
Try to disapprove by statement, not insult me
>>60616605
>it wouldn't be effective in sexual molesters anyway because their pervertion comes from their minds, not from their genitals, they should be sentenced to death directly
I didnt think about that part. chemical castration just disables sperm production and not pleasure. absolutely right.
>>60616726
Those eastern lands belonged to Ruthenians (white and south), not Muscovites.
>>60616739
No shit. Poles, Lithuanians and Ruthenians nobles/magnates ruled the Commonwealth after all.
>>60616842
Russia is Mongolia, culturally and genetically, that's my point.
>>60615873
nop
>it's the "neet emmigrant in Sweden defends poland with all the keyboard he has" episode
l m a o
>>60616835
>Goering
the fuck heppened to him after that? they look slim there
and who's the badass guy at the right of Pilsudski?, Rommel?
the future seemed so different in that video...sometimes the lack of vision is a sin
>>60617113
happened*
he looks*
>>60616992
I'm not defending anything tard.
>>60616888
Those eastern lands belonged to Novgorod and Varangians, who created and unified East Slavic lands under Rus. Moscow was just a second reunification. Those lands don't belong to Poland.
>>60617113
>who's the badass guy at the right of Pilsudski?, Rommel?
Where?
>implying Poles aren't evil too
you do remember 1000-1700 when we wuz superpower and shit?
>>60617248
my mistake, I didn't pay enough attention about Pilsudski, who are these two gentlemen?
>>60617244
>Those eastern lands belonged to Novgorod
Way back in time, the Rus ceased to exist long before and was occupied by the Golden Horde.
>Varangians
Lol, literally Scandinavian vikings =/= Ruthenians.
Actually one of the strongest Polish Ruthenian magnate families had ancestors from the Rurik dynasty, the Wisniowiecki's.
>>60617448
I think the left dude is the same dude from >>60614147, but I'm not sure, could be the German ambassador?
>The polish expat in Sweden
I see nothings new..
>>60617465
Following your logic current Polish lands don't belong to Poland since it was partitioned and occupied on numerous occasions. Anyway, I'm done arguing with diaspora.
>>60611108
Poland honestly could have allied with Germany due to their strong anti-communist sentiments, remember they were a non-country for a very long time and only recently revived
I believe they were worried that Germany might pressure them into becoming something of a satellite state, or bully them into giving back German clay like Danzig. They would never ally with Russia, but probably believed that France and Britain were their best chance since that would force a two front war, and expected German high command to try and avoid that at all costs.
>>60611478
>ally with people trying to exterminate you
This never made sense to me. I know they expelled people from certain areas, but weren't those just territories that belonged to Germany pre WW1? I mean, if they wanted the Poles dead then why did Himmler of all people execute leaders of the Russian volunteer division for brutality against the Polish people during the warsaw uprising?
Or am I mistaken on that? This just never made sense to me
It's not like the Germans were hell bent on war either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBLgZAv_Iqo
>>60617773
Following my logic Moscow should belong again to Poland. ;)
>>60617862
>This never made sense to me
because it has no sense, Hitler wanted to ally with Poles, would you ally with someone who you want to exterminate?
>>60617862
you do realize that 2 million ETHNIC POLES died in the holocaust, right?
That's not counting civillian massacres in cities
...and soldiers
.... and a hefty amount of the 6 million jews that died were polish CITIZENS
Hitler's plan was to exterminate polish people to create lebensraum for the germans.
>>60617862
>Poland honestly could have allied with Germany due to their strong anti-communist sentiments, remember they were a non-country for a very long time and only recently revived
>I believe they were worried that Germany might pressure them into becoming something of a satellite state, or bully them into giving back German clay like Danzig. They would never ally with Russia, but probably believed that France and Britain were their best chance since that would force a two front war, and expected German high command to try and avoid that at all costs.
Well this.
>>60617862
>I know they expelled people from certain areas,
Literal ethnic cleansing expulsions.
>but weren't those just territories that belonged to Germany pre WW1?
Pre 1772 pic related...
>if they wanted the Poles dead then why did Himmler of all people execute leaders of the Russian volunteer division
The Nazi's literally executed over 100,000 of Polish intelligentsia...
>for brutality against the Polish people during the warsaw uprising?
What is SS Dirlewanger...
>>60618291
Didn't you and the rest of the allies literally do the exact same things to them though? You weren't exactly kind to them before, during, or after the war you know
Literally the number of ethnic Germans who died after the war due to the victor's actions is also in the millions
>>60618320
There's a bit of a difference between 100+ years and 20, also see above
>>60618553
>There's a bit of a difference between 100+ years and 20, also see above
There is also a difference between 123-146 and 800+ years.
>>60618553
>red army(russians) killed 650 germans that were uppity for throwing them out
>another case, red army slaughtered 100 germans in a forest
>UB forces (polish commies that got power) killed 15
>100 germans actually killed purposedly by poles
and then yo uadd in the fact that the deportation of the germans happened in the winter, so not millions, but thousands died- but it was a humanitarian catastrophe
>>60618654
Well more like 900 years + 500 years of tribalist Lechitic years.
>people in this thread not realizing one of the terms of german alliance was giving up entire pomerania and danzig thus making poland landlocked
When the best possible scenario has you shitfucked anyway, you might aswell make a stand.
>>60618957
>terms of german alliance was giving up entire pomerania
That was not entirely the case. And the Danzig question didn't come up before Beck's refusal.
