Is patriotism and nationalism a symbol of poverty in your country?
Here in Poland patriotic and nationalist people are in 99% low income lumpen-scum. The poorer and more slavic-looking an individual is, the more patriotic, antisemitic and racist he is.
I have a good job in this country with high income, and my own apartment, but i am currently thinking about leaving it, because these pauper-patriotic subhumans managed to elect their own government that turns Poland into second North Korea now.
Yes, last refuge of a scoundrel
>>60608765
I never met nationalistic/patriotic Pole who wouldn't be a low income subhuman. Literally never. I really scorn these "people", they are worse than animals. Poor and wild. They scare off these very few foreigners who are stupid enough to move to this depopulating and pauperized shithole.
>>60608901
the people that use it here are predators preying on the weakest
they themselves may not be poor or idiotic but the people who eat it up generally are
There's almost a complete correlation between low income/poor quality of life and xenophobia in developed countries. The most hateful are almost always the one that are in no position to judge others.
t. radical chic
>>60608715
good
maybe in 200 years your country won't be 70% muslim
>>60608715
yes
yes and its the same all over the world
>>60609009
well considering the migration ratio there won't be poolan in 50 years, kek
>>60608715
Yes.
>>60608715
If you want to move I suggest doing it soon, because I bet you they will close borders in a year or two.
>>60609045
;_;
>>60608715
>>60608901
>t.50 year old PO member.
>>60609102
I am 28 y.o.
t. OP
Patriotism correlates with being very low class here but I think the anti-patriotism is overdone as well.
>>60609102
t.commie
>>60608715
No it's the opposite here actually. The well-dressed and intelligent elite are nationalists and anti-immigrant, the disgusting scum are leftists.
>>60608715
Lumpen?
Isn't that a german word ? :^)
>>60608715
Lowlifes here usually listen to rap and are also "nazi" for looking edgy. They are similar to the communist teens listening to punk.
I'm quite sure they can't grasp that the music they listen to isn't related to the white man and by no means it is a nationalistic and morally positive music. But they can't grasp genres designed by whites for whites, such as Black Metal and folk music.
They give rightist movement a bad name, and I, as a democratic nationalist (views similar to the Swedish Democrats), feel bad for those lesser people smear the name of nationalism itself.
But you have to make the difference between dull edgelords and moderate nationalists - here all the smart people are democrats, but patriotic in the same time.
>>60609156
OP is talking about the skinheads, not SD.
>>60608965
>250$ adoption fee for retarded dog
why arent they giving them away for free
>>60609156
Tbh the smart people are bound to show some degree of nationalism in our countries, but it's not so easy in Germany where being proud of being German is literally, LITERALLY Hitler.
>>60609141
How does thinking the previous shitty government was shit and is now butthurt about PiS defeating them make me a communist?
>>60609216
From google translate:
>(in Marxist contexts) uninterested in revolutionary advancement.
the lumpen public is enveloped in a culture of dependency
>the lumpenproletariat.
And none ever sucked so much money out of the lumpen .
>>60609216
A lot of German words are loan words to European languages.
Literally every word in Norwegian that has an ending -het, has a correlate to a word in German that ends with -keit.
>>60609216
Who would've guessed that the only smart Pole would use German words. Let's be real Poles are fucking animals and this country will never ever be civilized they all deserve holocaust.
>>60609293
Because pis is literally communist party you fucking retard.
>>60608715
When you have accomplished nothing, you look for refugee in the accomplishments of others - but only the dead, since you're jealous of the living.
>>60608715
Moderate patriotism , everyone shares it beyond social classes.
>>60609293
Everyone who voted for PiS was poor. Only around 20% of society took part in elections, 11% voted for PiS - only fucking retired oldfucks who want bigger retirements (we already give away half of salaries for these animals), and poor working class. Nobody else voted for these skunks. So you can say that around 10% of the country decided about fate of 90%
>>60609326
Dunkelhet?
Nope, the a cibervoluntario is asymbol of poverty in your country?
>>60609307
>>60609326
>>60609340
Lumpen translates to rags in that regard, so I guess it fits.
Thanks Marx.
>>60609352
Yup, that too.
Also things like: Möglichkeit -> Mulighet.
>>60609351
did you actually vote?
Literally everyone here is some form of nationalist.
everyone is stupid and poor too :DDDD
>>60609412
I never take a part in elections.
Hehe triggered germanboo. Good, I'm enjoying your butthurt
>>60608715
Faggot.
>>60609229
Well these are further right than SD, don't you think they look presentable?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR-lAGj_dlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoeNli5uvSk
Compared to the disgusting trash living on welfare who vote for socialists.
>>60609398
Well the Kaiser often visited Norway.
A shame Hitler pissed away the sympathy bonus in WW2.
>Might migrate to Norway actually, they post a lot of job offers in our university hospital.
>>60609216
japanese use the word as well :)
>>60609503
Come home white man.
>>60609398
Scandinavian languages aren't nearly what they used to be because of German I think. Lost much of the declension, lots of obvious German loanwords... Only Icelandic seems pure.
>>60608715
>Is patriotism and nationalism a symbol of poverty in your country?
I'd say low/middle class people tend to be more patriotic yes, as they don't know or want to know how much the country really uses them and their taxes towards their own gain.
>I have a good job in this country with high income, and my own apartment, but i am currently thinking about leaving it, because these pauper-patriotic subhumans managed to elect their own government that turns Poland into second North Korea now.
Well at least you'll stay mono race. An introduction of large numbers of people that don't like your culture with no prospects of integration just destabilises your local sense of community, care for one another...
>>60609562
The whole refugee situation scares me, its a big part.
Lets just hope I finish my education soon.
>>60609216
Of course. "Lump" is a word for anyone from the very bottom of the social ladder - hobos, alcoholics on welfare etc. Also "lumpeks" is a second hand clothing store.
Polish is generally full of German loanwords.
>>60609340
>Because pis is literally communist party you fucking retard.
Right-Wing National Conservative is now Communist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_Justice
>>60609351
>20%
Well that's the rest of your countries fault. Its like people her who don't vote and then bitch how horrible Obama or Bush are/were. If you don't vote you can shut the fuck up.
>>60608715
Yes, although we do have a lot of upper-class who are very patriotic. They just show it in a much classier way.
>Here in Poland patriotic and nationalist people are in 99% low income lumpen-scum
99% Poles are patriotic?
>>60608715
>Here in Poland patriotic and nationalist people are in 99% low income lumpen-scum. The poorer and more slavic-looking an individual is, the more patriotic, antisemitic and racist he is.
Same shit here
>>60609585
>Well at least you'll stay mono race.
We become a country of old people, hobos and bums, because everybody who has a brain moves out from this shithole. I don't really understand what is a difference between an African poorfag and Polish poorfag, they smell the same
>>60609497
Of course they look more presentable, I have always supported SD from down here from the south, but I was talking about the "nazi" lowlifes who wear suspenders on their undershirt.
Also the second video, made me happy and sad in the same time.
>>60609664
OP you fucking leftist, I thought you were only criticizing the nazi wannabes, but you are a EU-shill.
>>60609427
So you have no right to bitch about your government. I hate most of mine but I still vote.
>>60609565
Even Icelandic has a lot of loanwords. The only difference is the extent to which they are used among people.
>>60609607
We have some polish too.
At least here, as poles came to work in the mines back in the day.
>>60609664
Well, it works for japan.
I would prefer the methods the uk argued for about delaing with fugees.
close boerd ship back...this discourages illegal immigration and therefore less drowning people.
Furthemore pick people from refugee camps in syria etc.
Illegal immigration sucks, I dont wnat people here whos only qualification is not drowning/getting stabbed on the way.
>>60609701
unless your votes are not superseded by another system then maybe
I'd say most Brits are patriots. Nationalists seem to be the same as in Poland, usually some dirty poor chav criminal thug.
>>60609626
>Economic nationalism
>socialism
T-they're t-totally not commies, y-you're just mad po voter.
>>60609626
Try "national socialism".
Which frankly is functionally communism without the international revolution nonsense.
>>60609664
Don't be that pessimistic, you can easily get many young Ukrainians and Belorussians, and your life standards improves every year.
When you will get ~80% of Western level, the emigration would stop. Look at Czechs, they don't have huge braindrain anymore.
>>60608715
o jak śmiecham z bólu pizdy opa pedała xD
t. dumny wyborca PiS, też z dobrą pracą, własnym mieszkaniem, dwuletnim samochodem itd.
w sumie to zrobiłeś dzień dla mnie
>>60609871
Pokaż to mieszkanie i samochód, cwelu onanisto
>>60609907
a moze byc akt notarialny?
>>60609865
Can you stop being so progressive? I'd sooner live in poverty than in a society with more than one race; gypsies are already ostracized, there are no gypsy-Romanian relationships and neither are there Romanians who have gypsies amongst their friends.
>>60609871
>mam dobrze platna prace
>zaglosuje se na komunistow zeby mi zajebali
>????
>profit
no zgnilem z debila, badz szczery chuja zarabiasz
>>60609871
>xD
>zrobiłeś dzień
>śmiecham
>>>/karachan/
>>60609961
ayyyy
4600 na rękę, w gównołodzi jestem królem pizdo
Do patriotic Poles love the pope?
>>60609960
>Poles and Ukrainians
>different races
Mate, there is no difference between Poles and Hohols. It's like Romanians and Moldovans
>>60609664
>an African poorfag and Polish poorfag
A poor African in your country will dislike your country, because it is NOT his country or culture. Will not integrate, will use his status as a non-white to manipulate the system and will not be grateful for the opportunity he was given by living in a 1st world country.
>>60610036
sure we do, jeszcze jak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jX3qsyIlHc
do not bother about OP, he is probably some russian spy or something
>>60610016
>4600 na reke
o kurwa jaki biedak
>lodz
no to kurwa nic dziwnego ze myslisz ze 4600 to duzo, ale w cywilizowanych czesciach tego kraju jesli zarabiasz mniej niz 10k na reke to lepiej na ulice nie wychodz bo cie wysmieja.
>>60608715
You're a disgusting subhuman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODZ-RUufHgI
>>60608965
>>60610123
ayy mateosz nie zesraj sie, dla mnie wystarcza, czuje dobrze rozwojowa praca i perspektywy na podwyżkię
>>60608715
Yes
>>60609459
T. Broke nationalist
You mad that shekelberg isn't paying you minimum wage?
Patriotism isn't
Nationalism is
>>60610114
That may be your case Seamus.
A bit different here down under
>>60610197
Would hang, would drink with
>>60608715
Here it's interesting
The poorest region (North East) is a left-wing stronghold
Regions that vote the most for nationalist and far-right parties aren't the poorest, but they've lost the most with deindustrialisation which accompanied transformation to capitalist economy. It's about hurt ego.
But yes, individuals who vote for the far-right are usually low-income and uneducated.
>>60609136
Anti-Patriotism is at the hands of burntout middle class leftists who spit on the memory of the people who fought for their freedom, all for the sake of self deceit, intellectually.
>>60608715
>>60608901
>>60609427
Im a patriot and me and my family is well off owning multiple buisnesses (not some corner-shop bullshit but real companies).
To start off, please kill yourself, doing soo, you would be making a favour to this country.
Also, you're the lowest piece of shit. To not have voted and now to bitch about the outcome of the elections. You're probably one of those k*dowcy.
Atleast have some fucking dignity you cunt, i voted, my party "lost" but i dont go about showing my saltiness to the people, fuck there will be another elections in 4 years.
If you're thinking about leave Poland go ahead, ill even buy you a fucking 1 way ticket, hell i'd buy tickets for all that brainwashed scum that marches up and down towns every couple of weeks saying they're defending democracy lol, straight to madagascar with you lot.
Also you're a fucking bigot for putting everyone in the same bag, you're stupid for thinking only low income people are patriots. You think you're all that well educated, have an apartment and a """""good job"""""" makes you better than them. Holy shit, your penis must be incredibly small. I bet you also drive a SUV.
Once again kill yourself.
>>60610326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHYz8W08eJU
>>60610095
There are haplogroup and taxonomy differences between Romanians and Moldovans.
As a western Moldovan, I'm caught between these two. As you go more east here you see more Slavic faces. And the funny thing is that Ukrainians have made the "Ukrainian language" by replacing и with i.
>>60610131
>right wingers are smart
>black pigeon speaks
>an """""expert"""""
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand
http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/were-only-human/is-racism-just-a-form-of-stupidity.html
https://www.quora.com/Are-racist-people-less-intelligent-Why-or-why-not
>>60609422
:dDDDD allah bless tukey :D
>>60610350
Exactly.
Irish or finns should understand that more than others.
Good life spoils people.
>>60610316
It's not all of them, but majority of poor Africans who're on social wellfare, go to college to do some useless degree like fitness trainer and complain that they're not employed because the irish don't like africans.
>>60610421
>I did not watch the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kv_VmSizrA
>>60610356
patriots and nationalists aren't that smart.
Your post just proves>>60610421
Nationalist sentiments are most common with the working-class and blue collar middle-class workers. The underclass (regardless of race or religion) just want their gibs.
At least in my experience, upper/upper-middle class white collar workers tend to be more nationalistic than people are led to believe, but are hesitant to express these sentiments due to fear of ostracism from their social and professional groups.
>>60609585
We're patriotic about our heritage but we all know our country has been run to the ground by muppets and we're just hoping that England survives long enough before it's decided we need to "do our part" in taking in the poor brown people.
>>60610475
>black pigeon speaks
Don't make me laugh.
>>60609664
>I don't really understand what is a difference between an African poorfag and Polish poorfag, they smell the same
Look up crime statistics in the USA. Poverty and crime do not correlate as strongly as race and crime.
>>60610356
>fuck there will be another elections in 4 years.
Yeah, with a brand new ordynacja no court could rule unconstitutional. Enjoy your 24/7 internet surveillance by the way.
>>60610526
>australian flag types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmL72sgVdAQ
>>60609628
You should be livid, your muslims literally tear up the streets in protest to establish Sharia Law, they have literally no respect for England's heritage. You know shit's fucked up when even the Irish sympathise with you
>>60610539
And who are the majority of victims in those crime statistics?
I'll give you a hint: it's not whites.
It's genetics and socio economic factors, poverty plays an aspect into at as well.
Nisbett et al. (2012) suggest that high SES individuals are more likely to be able to develop their full biological potential, whereas low SES individuals are likely to be hindered in their development by adverse environmental conditions. The same review also points out that adoption studies generally are biased towards including only high and high middle SES adoptive families, meaning that they will tend to overestimate average genetic effects. They also note that studies of adoption from lower-class homes to middle-class homes have shown that such children experience a 12 - 18 pt gain in IQ relative to children who remain in low SES homes.
>>60610131
>Black Pigeon Speaks
>>60610373
She was probably confused as it says 'Garda' not 'Police' on the back of their jackets, or she's an ignorant cunt who watched too many worldstar videos and thinks yelling murder at the police will help her husbands cause.
>>60610482
A county in switzerland full of millionaires decided they'll pay not to have immigrants located near them. And told the gov to fuck off.
You're telling me people who earn millions arent smart?
You're from Melbourne arent you?
>>60610616
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA241Lg70fg
>>60610604
>he hasn't heard of Majid Nawaz and the liberal Muslim movement within England
>tfw Muslims are standing with Britain against Islamism
My justice Boner can only grow so large.
>>60610653
Doesn't prove shit, syrup face only >>60610421
>>60610745
>image.jpg
>it's another inbred mudslime redditor from australia episode
>>60610651
You haven't read those articles have you?
>>60610464
But we don't, we just have stupid laws that don't allow us to chuck them back to their own shithole.
Anyone who says they like Africans are braindead middle class Dublin faggots with that borderline transatlantic accent, you know the one that makes them sound painfully leftist.
>>60610804
>everything I hate is Muslim/ reddit
You have to be over 18 to post here, lad.
Are you triggered by different opinions an images posted via phone?
Cuck.
>>60610800
You obviously didn't watch the pidgeon video and you expect me to have a serious discussion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qClBRaretEk
>>60610891
Post an image of your hand with a timestamp if you're white. Otherwise, your opinion is irrelevant.
>>60610832
Nope, cba atm.
Also im on my cell
>>60610745
>Abbo Dundee thinks the four muslim families that act moderate to save face count as a major counter movement
>>60610524
>>60610524
Hopefully that doesn't happen as the plan will be
to scatter them all over Ireland chhanging some small town's demographic look to 50% white. And they won't leave Ireland, this is like haven for people that want to live on the governments handouts.
ok i see youre butthurted about nationalism but wtf is wrong with patriotism?
if anyone is not patriot of his cunt, he doesnt desereve to live in it t.bh
>>60610421
Lower-class people (whom are typically less intelligent) are usually put in direct competition for resources (work, housing, etc.) outside of their race/ethnicity, probably leading them to develop "racist" views. While the middle and upper-class (whom are typically middle or upper-class due to their intelligence) have means to live where they want (this usually means self-segregation, living in neighborhoods where their racial group is dominant), leading them to have a more idealized view of other racial/ethnic groups.
The progressive views of the effete classes is mostly the result of lack of exposure, not some innate virtue
>>60610421
I live in East Germany and the stupid low lifes even keep the big cities clean from shitskins.
Both are scum, but the stupid white people are the lesser scum and I can live in a nice big city where I only see white people :^)
Every fucking single country which is about to get chance to become a superpower somehow declared as Authoritarian dictatorship by the minority of their people and western media.
FUCK OFF! POLE. YOU COUNTRYMEN ARE RIGHT!!!!!!
>>60611338
>superpower
ahahahaahahahah
haahahahahahahahahha
ahahahahaahhaahhaahhaha
>>60610856
During my studies I've met one dude from SA that was quite articulate and was doing a science studies course, he did acknowledge the problem with african immigrants. Then again that's like 1 out of 30 or so...
>>60611027
I believe you, RTE has come out with some digusting propaganda lately, having Baz do a show about becoming muslim made me fucking puke, Mayo looks fucked.
Also the "I Am Immigrant/Irish" series showed how warped the minds of the upper/middle class Irish, I heard those kids talking about white privilege, oppression and I think even the patriarchy. I was fucking disgusted.
>>60611370
>About to
How was your country 15 years earlier and now.
>>60611159
>Upper class due to their intelligence
A lot of them are rich chads from Commiefornia, many rich people inherit their wealth, doesn't make them smart, just lucky.
>>60611475
Nigga there's a bit of a gap between "we finally have a cross-country highway" and "superpower".
>>60611159
This
>>60611551
stop playing with the dictionary. Your country have the potential.
>>60611551
You need designated shitting streets first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0b2LGf9jM
>>60611607
I'm very sorry for using words according to their definition. I promise I'll change.
>>60608715
How odd is it that the poor, and therefore the uneducated, would hold very strong, extreme beliefs that don't stand up to scrutiny? What a fucking shocker.
That being said
>waaaahh i hate democracy!
You should probably stay there, if it's really becoming North Korea you'll have the opportunity to live in a place where a minority with big egos think they have more say in how society runs than everyone else.
>>60609427
>i hate the way my government is!
>do you vote, anon?
>I DONT VOTE
Every. Fucking. Time.
>>60611710
>How odd is it that the poor, and therefore the uneducated, would hold very strong, extreme beliefs that don't stand up to scrutiny?
What are you talking about? Nationalism and patriotism are not an "opinions." Is preference for you family over your neighbour an "opinion."
>>60609345
underrated post
>>60611432
The girls at the school making a video for 'irish 100 years in the future' was it ? When i saw the girl say something about feminism I lost it. The whole episode 'I am immigrant' was cringe: the fat muslim saying a speech 'Ireland is totally not racist' on O'Connell street, the muslim girl receiving racism in the form of stares and crying afterwards like how sensitive are you?
I was annoyed that there were no Eastern European immigrants being represented, not counting the polish nationalist group with masks...
The black dude crying with his dad after winning the election was proper tho, almost had me in tears...
>people who are confronted with the masses of immigrants on a daily basis begin to hate them and become more nationalistic
>people who drive in their fancy sports cars every day never even make contact with them except for the poster child Muslim university student
Hmm, mysterious.
>>60609345
>>60611840
>since you're jealous of the living.
>underrated post
Except it's baloney since the apparently inherently inferior (to the enlightened you) lower classes uneducated classes hold living national heroes like sports figures in high esteem.
>>60611825
>How odd is it that the poor, and therefore the uneducated, would hold very strong, extreme beliefs
>would hold very strong, extreme beliefs
>beliefs
I never said the word opinion. Please learn to fucking read. And yes, nationalism and patriotism are opinions/beliefs. A "preference" is an opinion by any other name, a belief even more so. They can be grounded in facts, but they are not facts, which means the can only be opinions.
>waah, everyone who disagrees with me is a fascist even thought I have no idea what fascism is
>waaaah, democratic election aren't working to my benefit, waaaah
Typical leftist mentality.
Leftists literally never achieved anything. All the progress that human civilisations have ever made was done by right-wingers, conservatives and patriots. Leftists are the whiny people that gain popularity during the period of prosperity that was created by the right-wingers, and the left only gains popularity because people become too lazy to think and just jerk off to naive childish fantasies of the left.
But whenever a problem shows up, it's back to the right to handle things, because leftists can't do anything but whine about muh fascism.
>>60612021
No. You said the word "belief". Preference is not a belief. An starfish can have a "preference" without having a brain. A belief is more akin to an opinion.
>>60612119
Here
http://beesource.com/resources/usda/honey-bees-preference-for-and-nutritive-value-of-pollen-from-five-plant-sources/
Bees can prefer.
They typically don't believe or opine.
>>60610945
Ottawa?
>>60612172
Ottawa is sinking.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/lrt-tunnel-work-stalled-repairs-sinkhole-1.3628083
>>60611964
As long as they keep scoring. Sports are a different beast since athletes compete under the national flag and thus represent the nation, not themselves. The moment one of them fails something, it's endless whine in the vein of "the lazy fuck gets trillion billion dollars and has 10 villas and can't even score, fuck him".
>>60611863
It's pure leftist bias, and it's clearly driven by softheaded people who want to feel good about themselves
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UxqFZI9dDbo - here's the show, for anyone to see for themselves.
Oh and I love how at the beginning it states that immigration only kicked off in the 90's during the celtic tiger, these people smelled the money and expected to come here without so much as a glance? That stupid cunt complaining about "racism" because their shit-tier religion is new to us.
>>60610945
Ottowa?
>>60612329
>>60609009
fun fact: there are more Polish people in Muslim countries than there are Muslims in Poland. Pakistan even has a small community of people of Polish descent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_people_in_Pakistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Kazakhstan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_people_in_Lebanon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_diaspora#Turkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Azerbaijan
>>60612088
Did you /pol/ nignogs ever consider that there's more to the world than My Favorite Politician vs endless hordes of leftists? Not everyone who holds a different opinion than you is automatically a filthy pinko.
We have an entire parliament full of nothing but various right wing parties and yet you go on a strawman tirade where you manage to say left or leftist 6 times in 5 sentences.
>>60612440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAX4vJiO9Aw
>>60612440
>We have an entire parliament full of nothing but various right wing parties
Fucking A, keep up the good work.
>>60610456
Left-liberalism has taken over the establishment in Ireland for at least a few decades now, they bury their heads over the legacy of revolutionary nationalism and love to engage in historical revisionism. They're much rather focus on the price of real estate in Dublin and how to market American products to the gulliable masses
>>60609118
28 y.o. nu male w rurkach
>>60612523
That's not even closely true, he's an idiot.
>>60612440
And we have a Parliament full of different leftists, guess which is worse
>>60610539
>not accounting for population density
obviously farmer Bill in West Virginia isn't going to drive his tractor over to the next barn to settle his beef with farmer Bob
>these pauper-patriotic subhumans managed to elect their own government that turns Poland into second North Korea now.
Details please
>>60608715
>managed to elect their own government
so previous was your gov. And now you are bitching because you've lost
>>60612741
OP is Poland's Carl the Cuck.
>>60612595
Who's the lefty then?
The closest thing is Nowoczesna which is centrist/libertarian. Everything else is various degrees of conservatism.
Nationalism - The belief in Nationhood as a central tenet of organisation, especially your own
Patriotism - Faith in and service towards your nation.
You cannot be a patriot without adhering to Nationalist principles
>>60611607
>stop playing with the dictionary. Your country have the potential.
Are you stupid? Poland is a country of old people, bums and poorfags. First world countries have a lot of young, colorful people on streets, here the most common type of a street-human is a hobo, alcoholic bum or smelly old crawling babushka. You can also meet a lot of these patriots with ape-skulls who write "HWDP" on walls.
Poland is a lost country without future, fucking smelly garbage of aging human trash. Right now as we speak Poles speand half of their salaries on retirements for all these post-PRL subhumans, and it is only rapidly getting worse, because everybody moves out from this shithole and nobody immigrates. I give this country 10 years max before it turns into poorer version of Greece with default, and half of senior-population searching for food in trashbins.
>>60612741
Pretty such he's exaggerating, leftists do that often.
>centre-right party wins in Croatia
>they cut state funding to LGBT magazines and groups
>oy vey, the facists are back, Croatia is North Korea now
>>60612908
Pis is literally the most left party right now. Fucking literally national socialism
>>60608715
What is wrong with patriotism?
>>60612949
>. First world countries have a lot of young, colorful people on streets
Yeah these young colourful people (aka "youths") hang out on the street. Yup they sure do. They'll also sell you a bag of something on street. They're very entrepreneurial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxn9-IPJsS4
>>60613027
it hurts the butts of traitors
>>60612928
>Nationalism - The belief in Nationhood as a central tenet of organisation, especially your own
Kind of a bad definition. The definition of nationalism should include the definition of a nation.
>>60613059
>Yeah these young colourful people (aka "youths") hang out on the street. Yup they sure do. They'll also sell you a bag of something on street. They're very entrepreneurial.
I only try to tell that Turkey has a future and can aspire for title of regional empire, while Poo-land is a burn out country of old smelly people who parasite on a young minority
>>60613059
Here's a young colourful gentleman helping Italy with its aging population and demographic problem. He's very proactive.
>>60613072
Looks fun.
>>60612949
>Poland is a lost country without future, fucking smelly garbage of aging human trash
Are you saying that Poles are human trash? Go fuck yourself with your narrowminded hateful bigotry, you racist Nazi scumbag.
But seriously, talking like that against your own state should be a crime.
>>60613090
A community of communities, a social unit that desires to live together which shares many unifying factors (i.e ethnicity, language, historical narrative, way of life etc)
>>60613149
Western countries have youths who are likewise parasites. With automation complaints about demographic problems are irrelevant.
Yep. But it's the other way around for minorities here
>>60613171
These animals are poor like bums. You can see poverty on their stupid faces. I really hate this fucking lost country. The poorer and shittier it becomes, the more patriotic it is. May Russians nuke this fucking shithole...
>>60613188
He trashes the polish nation, the elderly, the lower classes. He says he's going to leave. He wants colourful people. I think this is the sort of nutbag who started letting in the hordes of colourful people into western countries in the 50s and 60s...and then retreated to a nice suburb away from the youthful diversity. I feel like I'm time travelling.
>>60613200
So what's the difference between an ethnic group and a nation? The nation wants to have its state? Is that the only difference?
I'm being serious here, the whole nation/people thing always confused me.
>>60613235
They look like normal people. Patriotism is good and means the country will be protected. An unpatriotic country is one destined to die.
>>60612547
This, unfortunately
>>60613235
>The poorer and shittier it becomes, the more patriotic it is.
It's becoming richer and less shittier according to every statistic you nutbag.
>>60613171
that's nationalism
picrelated is patriotism
>>60613006
Economically yeah. Most people here though think of the liberalism-conservatism axis when talking about right and left wing.
The whole left/right dichotomy is painfully imprecise anyway. There are barely any parties that actually fit the definitions perfectly.
>>60613311
Normal civilized Poles look like photorelated and they are leftist.
>>60613289
Yes, his citizenship should be suspended and he should be kicked out to a diverse country.
>>60613388
>Razem registered lists for the 2015 parliamentary election in all electoral districts and received 3.6% of the vote in the election, below the 5% threshold to gain seats in parliament.
So this is the source of your butthurt?
>>60613388
Those people do not look normal. They look like weird people. They also have strange faces.
>>60613338
Also looks fun.
>>60613388
Oh kill yourself you commie bastard.
>>60613388
now i know you are a fucking troll. Razem? really?
>>60613455
It is fun unlike shit tier hooligans fucking shit up and beating random people that is >>60613171
>>60613487
ah ok
>>60613455
>Those people do not look normal. They look like weird people. They also have strange faces.
fucking priceless. Even a foreigner sees that they are retards
>>60608715
In general, no.
That doesn't mean that you don't see trailer trash being overly patriotic, though.
>>60613442
You're just getting baited by the most blatant bait like a typical /pol/tard. Now that I've enlightened you please stop fucking responding.
>>60613235
What do you have against poor poeple you arrogant richfag? I'm not trying to defend racism, but you really sound like an asshole.
>>60613388
Holy shit, it looks like a fucking cuckface convention.
>>60613536
>What do you have against poor poeple
They shouldn't have right to vote
>>60613563
That's retarded.
>>60613563
Why? Because they vote for their own interests? Why do only your interests count?
>>60613531
Who cares. I've saged every one of my posts itt.
>>60613306
Well ethno-Nationalism is a dominant concept in modernity, that the ethnic group is a nation that also deserves it's own Nation-state which is how most of Europe is now structured and indeed what happened after the fall of Yugoslavia. But it is not necessarily the case of all Nationalist thought
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism#Varieties
Personally although I a a nationalist myself, I am not so sure the Nation-State concept is the one that best serves the interests of the nation today. It's not a simple concept as its detractors would believe it
Some good introductory texts on this are Ernst Renan's famous text and de Benoists "On Identity"
>>60613614
They don't vote for their own interest. They vote for parasitism. This fucking new government we are having now wants to LOWER retirement age instead of rising it, like it happens in ALL countries in Europe. They gave new 120 euro / month child benefit, and now fucking low-life multichildren alcoholic families take 1000 dollar / month in benefits from my fucking taxes. This country is fucking over, we will end like Greece or worse.
t. voted for Nowoczesna, the only liberal and rational political party in Poland currently
>>60613770
agreed 2bh
>>60613770
Can the state afford it? Are they raising taxes to pay for it?
>>60608715
Same with the U.K.
Need proof?
Look at Marseille today.
>>60613886
for banks and markets only. thats why libs are butthurt.
>>60613886
>Can the state afford it? Are they raising taxes to pay for it?
It can afford it now, but nobody knows what is going to happen after 20 years when population of old fucking retired people will be much bigger than today. We will have a fucking default. At the same time these fuckers spread anti-immigrant psychosis. Who is going to pay taxes if number of Poles will be declining? The only social class in Poland that multiplies like fucking rats and have 8 or 10 children are alcoholic village-retards, junkies: dregs of society. And dregs of society are like 2% of the nation, the rest of the country has 1 or 2 children, especially middle and high class, because a lot of children is bad for job and career. Poland will not survive without massive immigration, and these idiots from government claim otherwise: they give benefits, lower retirement age and at the same time generate hatred and fear for immigrants amongst Poles.
>>60613987
I see.
>>60614004
If people had more money for children then they would have more children though wouldn't they? Isn't that the point of the child benefit?
>>60613886
Barely and it will become a problem in 2017 budget. We already were downgraded by S&P.
>>60608765
This is because the intellectural patriotism and the smart nationalism was killed after modern liberalism wormed its way through the universities during the 68ers and the thinkers recoiled from the overblown barbarity that was unleashed by the NS ideas.
My nation's overaching fabricwhich elevated the feudal duchees to a greater whole was build by students and dedicated intellectuals in the 19th century.
The brother grimm were fierce nationalists, Heinrich Heine and Schiller dedicated patriots exalting the countrie's soul.
Nationalism as the poor man's pride is a modern phenomenum and even then not really despicable if not tainted with baseless irrendentism as it still holds a country's cultural fabric together.
>>60614056
>If people had more money for children then they would have more children though wouldn't they? Isn't that the point of the child benefit?
No, fuck, no! You know what people spend this money? On fucking electronics, toys, entertainment. Nobody is going to make a child for fucking 120 euro per month EXCEPT extremely poor dregs of society who are MINORITY in this country and their mutlichildren families don't count in demographic balance. And such dregs of society now make more children in order to have more money on vodka.
>>60614004
You Sound brown and your arguments make no sense.
I was born in Moscow, never was in Poland (but was in ex-Poland). And de facto I'm a polish nationalist yet.
I think that Poklonskaja is polish. Gluchowski is polish. Even raper Serioga is polish.
>>60614004
>Votes left-liberal
>Hates his own poor brethern
I can at least respect socialists, but liberals will always be a shame upon the rest of us
>>60614056
>I see.
also take into account that despite high GDP rise for last 10 year the wages didnt follow. So basically poles didnt get what they had earned.
>>60614090
>We already were downgraded by S&P.
for political reasons. They even admitted it.
>>60614257
For both undermining the judiciary and increasing social benefits. Read the announcement.
>>60613770
>This fucking new government we are having now wants to LOWER retirement age instead of rising it
That's not a bad thing at all, should people work until they are 70 or should their jobs be given to younger people? In Serbia you retire at fucking 65.
>They gave new 120 euro / month child benefit, and now fucking low-life multichildren alcoholic families take 1000 dollar / month in benefits from my fucking taxes.
Alright, so government is encouraging having kids so you don't end up in a country with the average age of 40, again like Serbia.
>>60613388
Nice human trash you got there. I hope the whole country becomes progressive and western like them.
>>60613886
>Can the state afford it?
What do you think? Of course we can't. Their child-based gibsmedats cost nearly all of our CIT income.
>Are they raising taxes to pay for it?
Not directly. They're not touching VAT or PIT yet, that'd end up in an outcry. For now they've added new taxes for banks. The rest is still in the project phase since they've had their hands full with new bills that take over the public media, constitutional court and administration. What's in the works for now: large store tax, increased mandatory car insurance costs, undodgeable public media fee (even if you have no TV or radio, it's included in the electricity bill).
>>60613987
Who do you think is paying for that, genius? The bankers? Or the common people who now have to pay more for loans and accounts?
>>60614287
>For both undermining the judiciary and increasing social benefits. Read the announcement.
so nothing concering current economy.
>>60614231
It's a common pathology among the upper classes. They despise the poor of their own ethnic group but want to adopt coloured people as pets and take care of them instead. The same pathology makes them buy dogs instead of raising children.
>>60614257
>also take into account that despite high GDP rise for last 10 year the wages didnt follow.
What the fuck are you talking about, retard? Poles get poorer because of fucking TAXES and growing number of PARASITES
>>60614309
>Who do you think is paying for that, genius? The bankers? Or the common people who now have to pay more for loans and accounts?
yes, you are right. We should lift any taxes from them. Fuck that they had like 6 billion euro profit last year
>>60614110
I think the point is that before people would avoid having children they wanted because of money problems, by putting money there for the children people might go ahead with that.
>>60614340
Stability of law is key for business. Nobody's going to blow a ton of money when their investments aren't protected.
>>60614109
Nazi's also did their part to destroys other competing Nationalist movements, the Conservative Revolutionarys were also suppressed by the Hitler but post-war they were lumped in with the genocidal practices of madmen and thus remained marginal
>>60614377
>What the fuck are you talking about, retard? Poles get poorer because of fucking TAXES and growing number of PARASITES
oh, you poor baby. And now check participation of wages in GDP, moron.
>>60614340
Both literally are.
If they have the judges they can do whatever they want i.e. nationalize all industry.
And spending a lot on social benefits is literally Greece-tier.
>>60614395
>I think the point is that before people would avoid having children they wanted because of money problems
This is fucking untrue. Only bydło and dregs of society have a lot of children in Poland. The poorer family is, the bigger chance is that it has 5 or 10 children. Families who have a lot of money have usually not more than 2 children. That's how it works in reality. These child benefits don't encourage anybody in this country to make children, except vodka-junkies
>>60614386
Nigger, they still FUCKING have. They just all upped the bank fees to cover their losses because the customers have no other choice but to comply. None of them will pay for that, YOU will when you get a loan to buy your own house.
>>60614418
>>60614446
Yes, China is so stable and democratic. I am a stupid person who thought that only ability to make profit counts. Poor me.
>>60614368
They accept poor foreigners because they see them as cheaper labour reserve, anything to serve the market is their mantra. Fuck their own family for all they care. They only pretend to care about the coloured folk, then they let them stew in ghettos until they get pissed off at being exploited, and then liberals play the hostility as simply being between the racist native working class and the outsider
>>60614560
Someone read their Engels.
>>60614459
Define a dreg of Polish society.
>>60614520
its called a redistribution. Bydlo dont gets higher wages for decades so now account owner need to pay for it. I still have free bank account
>>60614395
That's not how it works. People avoid having children because they concentrate on personal development instead. Upbringing and pregnancy take a toll on a career. The only ones who shit out children like there's no tomorrow are the bottom of the society who don't care about such things.
The way to promote birth rates is through things like creche and preschool access, which is pitiful in Poland, not free money handouts. The current program is not a well-planned pro-family policy, it's buying votes with vodka money.
>>60614595
>Define a dreg of Polish society.
Dregs of society is photorelated. Alcoholic father makes children out of boredom in little village with 72 citizens in Eastern Poland. They have already 10 children, and now they will be getting 1400 dollar / month of child benefit from my taxes. And they will make another fucking 10 children with retarded faces and suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome. And who fucking needs this shit?
>>60609664
Well, if you are so smart not to be patriotic, dont you think you poles blessed with brains should stay at home and make it better because patriotism compels you to?
Loyality is why groups work too in hard times, this also is true for countries.
>>60614428
Thats what I meant with recoiled.
The pride and identity of a nation must be carefully and tenderly cultivated and cared for.
The upper and middleclass usually had the role of the interpreters and refiners while the lowerclass folks lived and sustained it.
Now only the latter is there in many european countries, both because of communism or liberalism generated by the NS atrocities while the former lets it rot, flees or despises it activly like OP does.
Islam (or any other identity that is strong because its cared for, like postmodern liberalism) will take the land that way, as their civilisation carries fanatic defenders in all social classes ans has a 1400 old formula to fuck up infidel countries...
>>60614545
It actually is. Chinks take great care not to scare off foreign investment. They've pretty much adopted German law and are as politically stable as it gets. That's why companies invest in China instead of the trillion other shitholes that offer even cheaper labor.
>>60614808
These chilluns actually look adorable.
Nationalism is for poor fags who have no achievements of their own so fall on something they could not help.
Like being proud of your race above all else, shows you have nothing else worth of quality.
Also why are polish people so chill? I have never met a polack I've disliked.
>>60614808
Ok, but if as you say they are 2% of society does this really matter? Most poor Poles who are not like that will do better because of it. Also those children do not have fetal alcohol syndrome (also cute).
>>60614929
>It actually is.
Of course it is. Not that they can nationalize anything in like a 1 nanosecond. Not that they have corrupted authorities and courts.
>>60615046
Nobody in this country is so poor to make a child for 120 euro / month, except DREGS OF SOCIETY. This benefit program would maybe work in such piss-poor countries like Belarus or Russia, but not here. Here it is an empty waste of tax money, nothing else. It will not rise number of children at all. We will only have more alcohol-mongols all around.
>>60615046
he is a lib retard. Dont listen do him. Most of ppl is happy with it. Families needed that money, because they were being fucked for last 25 years.
>>60608715
That's because poor people value their families and country, for then it's their home, while richer people care more about their money and less about their country and people hense why Western country's are filled with cucks and don't care about anything but themselves.
>>60615160
>Most of ppl is happy with it.
Most of bums are happy with it.
http://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/wydarzenia/artykuly/522896,wloclawek-rodzice-przepijaja-pieniadze-z-500-plus-naduzywanie-alkoholu-wzrosla-liczba-interwencji.html
>>60615199
there are like 2,7 million of families that get it. So how many do that - a 1k, 10k, 50k. Still its something like 2%. Its nothing
>>60615199
>Matka kilkorga dzieci i jej partner upili się, a wtedy interweniujący pracownicy socjalni wezwali brata kobiety, którego zobowiązali, by zajął się dziećmi. Okazało się, że mężczyzna jest pijany i ma 2,5 promila alkoholu we krwi. Kiedy pracownicy MOPR wezwali ojca dzieci, ten również okazał się być pod wpływem alkoholu.
>>60615280
If you motherfucker are such a fan of these benefits, you should adopt few children made by these junkies for money now.
>>60615179
/thread
also sage
>>60615331
you still dont get it. Its a tax on ppl who dont have kids. Those money goes to ppl who have kids. So right now raising kids is a kind of a job. I dont want that job and I need to pay the tax
>>60614595
Never read engels or much Marx for that matter, my concern is the welfare of the Nation, the left today is concerned with the welfare of International forces
>>60614395
Dude, my boss has a villa that looks like fucking aristocracy palace, all family (mother, father, son) drive newest model of Lexuses: and guess what, they are a family model 2+1. They have only ONE FUCKING CHILD, although they could afford having 100 children with money they have. That's how it looks in Poland. Middle class and high class families whose genetics are most valuable have 1 or 2 children, and only fucking ULTRAPOOR SCUM has more than 4 children. That's why Pollack scum in UK has almost 2x higher children per family ratio than families in Poland because they are uneducated bydło and piss-poor in majority and they make these children for benefits there. Nobody normal in Poland will make a child to get fucking 120 or 240 or 360 euro / month. Only ultra poorfags that are maximum 5% of society and their demographics doesn't play any role in overall demographic image of the country
>>60615002
>Thinks his own "success" isn't a product of heritage
Must be nice to be born a middle class ponce who thinks they got where they are by "pulling up their socks"
>>60615419
It makes sense
>>60615472
In Engels' book the Condition of the Working Class in England he talks about how the English ruling class liked to bring in Irish workers, who undercut English workers, then when they inevitably broke down in relations between English and Irish, as the English felt they were being treated unfairly while foreigners got preference, they became anti-Irish with the ruling class playing the two off against each other.
>>60615542
Poland needs more people though, otherwise who will pay for the elderly as the population ages? So it makes sense to encourage having more children. If Middle and Upper class Poles will not have more children then that is their fault for making it necessary to have a tax on it.
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