There is a war between green and orange. Who wins?
>>60434157
Of course orange wins. Green ones would barely stay and protect their countries. Provided they dont call US for help of course
>>60434157
The immigrants. Also, is Romania in civil war?
>>60434157
There are 5 green countries with a proper army.
there are 4 orange countries with a proper army but Russia should count as 2.
Hard to predict.
>>60434273
yes
>>60434288
poland is weak and powerless
British and French nuclear submarines sit in the south Atlantic and hit every capital of the orange countries with no response.
Whoever is allied with Italy loses.
>>60434335
When all of the ships set sail, the sea level will rise by 1mm and you'll get flooded so I didn't even count Holland in.
>>60434157
Anyway Russia will get more territories.
>>60434288
We switch sides
whites
>>60434390
you belong to russia
>>60434157
turkey russia alliance beats all t b h
>>60434288
>there are 4 orange countries with a proper army
There are no countries with a proper army in Europe at all.
>>60434157
orange has more nuclear weapons, tanks, aircraft carriers, and manpower. russia+sweden gives them a lot of steel and fuel.
green has literally no chance. maybe if they get financial help from the outside and germany manages to re-arm itself. and even then it is a maybe.
>>60434157
green comfortably
>>60434445
It's worse bait then what you'll become when your city drowns desu lad.
>>60434563
I think the manpower thing is equal.
>>60434563
The USA would enter the war with the green people, they won't allow Russia to win
>>60434583
Poland is poor and powerless oblast
>>60434530
britain and france have decent armies
rest are meme armies
The little white thingy in the middle of it.
>>60434683
I don't like your cheese
>>60434771
I don't like your ""country""
>>60434855
I don't pray to allah.
>>60434157
France vs Italy
>Italy switches sides
>France surrenders
Nobody wins.
>>60434651
>This is how Europeans think
I'm starting to hate Europe almost as must as I hate Russia
>>60434710
>meme armies
We are in the top 5 most militarized countries in the world, we have more tanks than britain and spain (top kek) and the same amount as Iran and the best army in eastern europe.
If it weren't for the Turks we would beat every Orange country in the map by ourselves
>>60434930
Most western Europeans would still chant "America will protect us, Russia is not a threat" when their cities would be getting under Russian occupation.
>>60434901
You pray to jesus that russia doesn't come reclaim its rightful clay
>>60434989
kek but rude
>>60434989
durka durka mohammad jihad weakling
>>60434966
>Russia is not a threat
People don't say that.
Especially slavshits are scared shitless of Russians.
>>60435079
Well we all consider our closes threats "the scaries" for you it's bacon and haram clothes, for us russia.
>>60434157
Orange. Only Poland, Finland and Greece would actually put up a fight from the Green side.
>>60435117
>poland
"no", they are weak and powerless
who cares we can't lose
>>60435180
Poles love their country and would fight. Germans, French and British are cowards and would surrender easily.
>>60434273
Gypsy Upraising
>>60434157
Bulgaria , Macedonia and Kosovo could handle the Serbs quickly and help Croatia , Bosnia and Slovenia to hold the line against central Europe.
Russia can easily wipe off it's neighbours and regroup with Turkey at Ukraine to launch an assault on Central Europe their offensive at the south is being held by the Orange Balkans.
During that time Italy and Spain ( with expeditionary forces from Russia and Turkey ) could hold off the French from doing anything.
Brits wouldn't do much in land but stopping them in seas would be diffucult , they'd probably be invaded the last
Russia wins, rest of the euros don't want to die for their countries
>>60435198
poles lost WW2 in a month
>>60435287
After being attacked from three sides by much stronger enemies. French surrendered in a month and they had the best army in the world at the time.
>>60435317
And Britain held out by itself for a year and a half alone and kept the Germans at bay, keeping the west open and allowing d-day landings to ever be possible.
>>60435384
D-Day was irrelevant. By the time the western armies landed the USSR had pushed the Nazis back to Poland.
>>60435280
>Pakistan and Azerbaijan at the top
>India and Armenia below them
>India and Armenia consistently embarrass Pakis and Azeris in war
Useless chart
>>60434157
Switzerland
On the green side only France has any real power. Germany is a fucking joke and would get invaded by Italy alone. Bongland has a decent fleet but that's it. France, Poland, and Finland are the only ones worth anything on the green side.
I'm not sure on Spain, but on the orange side it probably goes something along the lines of Russia>Italy>Spain>Turkey>Denmark. In any case more than enough to defeat green.
This is not considering that green has a tonne of kebab that would happily bring the infrastructure to a crawl when Turkey is on the opponent side.
UK and France together could beat all those countries
>>60434947
This guy right here.
>>60434157
switzerland and the rest of white coloured countries
>>60435477
Turkey is stronger than Italy and it's competing with Russia.
>>60435522
This.
Let's be honest Orange doesn't stand a chance
>>60435561
Lmao no
>>60435570
>Implying you would not surrender after the first battle
>>60434157
Both oranges and greens have a nuclear weapon. Cockroaches win!
>>60435416
You literally cant read the title
>>60435402
>He unironically believes the USSR was the sole reason for allied victory.
Alright, say Britain had fallen, ussr won't be getting any lend lease convoys through the north sea, say goodbye to troop mobility!
How about stopping Germany in Africa and the Middle east, both places which if controlled would boost their resources substantially and that was a main reason for their failure in the east.
How about the Italian campaign?
Don't forget France will immediately le surrender
>>60435626
dude memes lmao
>>60435628
France and Britain only have a few hundred nukes between them. Russia has 12000.
>>60435647
Lend lease was 5% of Soviet production. Ultimately irrelevant.
>>60435477
France and UK are about the same in terms of military strength.
>>60435605
Turkey is also stronger than France , having couple foreign mercenaries that bully african negros doesn't make you strong
>>60435561
>stronger than Italy
Having a tonne of cockroaches with shitty training and terrible military equipment doesn't make you strong, otherwise NK would be one of the most powerful countries in the world.
Hint: stuff like global firepower lists the amounts, your T-34s are worth as much as a Leopard 2A7.
>competing with Russia
Pfffthahahahah no.
>>60435665
>France and Britain only have a few hundred nukes between them. Russia has 12000.
Why does it matter ? A few hundred is more than enough anyway, building more is just a waste of resources for the sake of dickwaving
>>60435665
Ignore the rest of the arguement then
>>60435688
hahahahahahaha
>>60434157
>France surrenders
>Italy switches sides as soon as they start losing and gets off scot-free again
>Germany turns on Britain the moment Britain raises arms against Turks
>Switzerland laughs all the way to the bank
>>60435688
This. Turkey is stronger than any of the Green nations and Turks would actually fight for their country.
>>60435702
Because a few hundred is not capable of destroying the opposing side. 12000 is.
>>60435709
The rest of the argument is on fringe fronts. British did nothing in comparison to the USSR. Also when looking at it in modernity British people would not fight for their country. It is a nation of cowards.
>>60435702
This, also French and Brit nuclear subs would just sit there in no danger just launching nukes.
>>60435317
>They had the best army in the world at the time.
What are you even talking about...
>>60435561
>>60435688
T*rkroach please
>>60435783
Dr Manhattan comes in and declares no nuke policy or country gets perma ban
>>60435765
>scot-free again
wut? we lost a fuckton of territories and our colonies during the last war
>>60435783
Britain has 3 nuclear submarines. France has some subs and some land silos. They are easy targets because they are so few or in fixed positions.
>>60435806
Before WW2 France's army was the largest and best equipt in the world.
Drop a few nukes on Switzerland btw
>>60435665
5% my ass
>The United States gave to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil) or 57.8 percent of the High-octane aviation fuel,[45] 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,911 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. Provided ordnance goods (ammunition, artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives) amounted to 53 percent of total domestic production.[46] One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR.
>>60435770
We would fight for more than just our country, we'd fight for small little irrelevant islands on the otherside of the planet to protect territories of this country (that's how far we'd go for just territories.. Not even homeland)
>>60435816
Compared to Germany and Japan you basically got off with a slap on the wrist at worst.
>>60435854
5% of total production during the war was from the USA.
>>60435865
Fighting some Argentines is hardly an achievement.
>>60435821
Trident can't be found mate.
>>60435770
>Because a few hundred is not capable of destroying the opposing side.
It might not kill 100% of the population, but 95% is more than enough
>>60435821
>Before WW2 France's army was the largest and best equipt in the world.
That's bullshit. The command structure was ancient, the soldiers were badly equipped and the industry couldn't keep up
>>60435246
>Implying
The gypsies would never fight. We would just kill eachother while they laugh at us and Romania becomes 100% India.
>>60435880
>5% of total production during the war was from the USA.
Then give me some sources
>>60435880
We used the same weaponry but that's not the point, we went all that way just for a small island of sheep. This country would pull together to save the homeland.
>>60435690
>shitty training
our millitary staff is experienced from the wars and skirmishes in Middle East that has been going for about 40 years.
>terrible millitary equipment
That terrible millitary equipment that we produce is being used by the whole NATO.
>t34s
We have none of those , sorry to break it for you. We do produce our own tanks which do compete with T-90s in the joint millitary exercises we did with Russia.
>>60435997
You're pretty delusional senpai
>>60435911
Considering your operators managed to get stuck on a beach I doubt that.
>>60435916
>It might not kill 100% of the population, but 95% is more than enough
Due to French and British nuke sizes being small they would not kill anything close to that.
>That's bullshit. The command structure was ancient, the soldiers were badly equipped and the industry couldn't keep up
The organization was terrible and the generals were ancient. The equptment was not French tanks were far better than German tanks, which is why the Germans preferred to use them when they attacked the USSR.
>>60435977
Against weak Argentines maybe.
>>60435950
>U.S. aid constituted only about 7 percent of what the Soviet Union itself produced during the war
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/lend-lease.aspx
>>60436097
Spot the delusional part in my post then.
It's easy to say something like "bullshit " and run away
Nukes: Orange technically but it'd be a pyrrhic victory
Nukes off: Green
>>60434157
green, because we'd be backing them up
>>60436165
Green loses on both.
>>60435880
>Fighting some Argentines is hardly an achievement.
No, but traveling halfway across the world to launch an amphibious operation against an enemy whose home is a couple of hundred kilometres away is. Members of the US Navy's admiralty deemed it impossible.
Then pack marching 90kms and defeating a numerically superior enemy at the other end (3:1 ratio can get flushed down the toilet) of the yomp is nothing to laugh at either.
>>60436235
It is when Argentines were fighting with equiptment 50 years out of date and the people fighting were conscripts who did not want to be there.
>>60436202
Doubt it, the only real contender for Orange is Russia. Turkey would get btfo and Italy wouldn't fare much better.
>>60434157
now hang on
>>60434966
>Polack being butthurt
wow i never saw this coming desu
>>60436255
Only Poland, Finland and Greece would actually put up a fight. Brits and French and Germans are all cowards regardless of their military advancements. German army also has to use broomsticks to train with so goo d luck arming an army.
In comparison Turks are very willing to fight for their country and their army is quite modernized.
>>60434157
Why are Shetland and Gotland neutral?
>>60436257
good lad
>>60436311
>Brits and French and Germans are all cowards regardless of their military advancements.
If anyone of them declared war on Belarus tomorrow would you be willing to bet on that?
>>60436353
Considering declaring war on Belarus brings Russia into it yes.
>>60436311
Yes, because Poland and Greece have a long and proud history of winning wars.
>>60436117
>Due to French and British nuke sizes being small they would not kill anything close to that.
This isn't how nukes work. MIRVed missiles with several small nukes work A LOT better than single large nukes.
>French tanks were far better than German tanks
The B1 bis was very well armored and the S35 was generally a fantastic tank for its time, but those were a minority, and most didn't have radio which made the coordination of large numbers of tanks impossible.
As for general soldier equipment, the germans were miles ahead in every field, whether it's clothing, small arms or simply radio.
Finally, our air force was straight up not up to the task, as the latest aircraft designs never made it in large numbers and we simply had fewer aircraft
The French high command estimated the military needed AT LEAST one more year to rearm, and it showed.
>>60436117
>>U.S. aid constituted only about 7 percent of what the Soviet Union itself produced during the war
That doesn't make those 7% irrelevant at all, see :
>The USSR was highly dependent on rail transportation, but the war practically shut down rail equipment production. Soviet production of railroad equipment (rails and ties, freight cars, locomotives, etc.) made up to about 5.4%, while 92.7% were supplied under Lend Lease.
>Although most Red Army tank units were equipped with Soviet-built tanks, their logistical support was provided by hundreds of thousands of U.S.-made trucks. Indeed, by 1945 nearly a third of the truck strength of the Red Army was U.S.-built
>American shipments of telephone cable, aluminum, canned rations, and clothing were also critical.
>>60436374
Poles and Greeks will fight. British people are all cowardly faggots too busy being fucked by pakistanis to actually fight a war.
>>60436374
They still did win more wars than Germany did
>>60436364
If you're going that route you realize by extension that brings America and a lot of Europe into it.
>>60436254
Argentina had better night vision equipment at a ground level, more effective anti ship missiles, better cold weather gear, select fire versions of the FN FAL and had dug in with heavier artillery than the UK could bring to most of its operations.
There really was no man to man equipment difference. Much of the troops involved in combat were volunteers. Argentina got pasted.
>>60436391
You are cherrypicking specific areas and pretending that means total production.
>>60436429
Well we are looking at the hypothetical in the OP.
>>60436400
>says the last dictatorship in europe
>a country where the elections have been fixed for twenty years
Better not quote my post, if the KGB read this on your computer you'll be going to prison.
>>60436428
see
>>60436463
>>60436470
Picture related.
>>60434157
>Lithuania and belarus not being the same color
delet
>>60436499
I know, I'm just playing too the rules of your hypothetical
>>60434157
Nukes on both sides? Nobody wins.
>>60436431
No I am not. The Soviets relied on lend-lease for logistics, and you're pretending that it didn't matter because they produced other things on the side
This isn't how any of this works. Just because you can produce lots of things in one area doesn't mean you will have enough of something else
>>60434157
Who would win? Don't worry, the setup has no historical habbenings behind it :D
>>60434157
>tfw no Germany to betray :(
>>60436463
Which is exactly the point. Of the nation on the maps, only the UK and France maintain any sort of prolonged offensive capability.
Both have the ability to put 1300 combat soldiers anywhere in the world with 24 hours notice. Both sit on the UN Security Council, permanently. Both have state of the art nuclear submarines. Both have large amounts of recent experience across the board.
Keep your memes. Russia couldn't fight a war against Georgia properly and was fought to a halt by illiterate neo Nazis in Ukraine.
>>60436172
Greatest ally, thx for F35s btw
>>60436499
I'll keep that in mind when you are shot through the head and your family charged for the cartridge.
>>60436570
It wouldn't even be close now
>>60436570
Orange here tbqh
>>60436562
Total production is more important, because lets say the USSR was making the trucks instead, that would simply mean production would have to be tailored towards that. Total production would not decline, just that there would be less of something else because of reaiming of production.
>Both have the ability to put 1300 combat soldiers anywhere in the world with 24 hours notice
1300 is literally nothing. In an all out war you need armies of tens of millions not little peacetime armies.
>>60436617
t. knows nothing about Belarus beyond memes
>>60436635
>t. knows nothing about Belarus beyond memes
You've been memeing this whole time about the UK, France and Germany
>>60436667
I am looking at the polling statistics on patriotism and willingness to fight. They tell me that British, French and Germans are cowards.
>>60436635
>1300 is literally nothing
That's a battalion of paratroopers, marine or light infantry plus a supporting artillery contingent, engineers, logisticians and light tanks. Russia can't drop that anywhere around the world, due to its complete lack of a navy and overseas territories.
Why are you so eager to pretend that Russia, a nation with an economy smaller than that of Italy and a military out of date by thirty years, has any real power?
>>60436688
>french, german, uk people in the street get asked "will you fight in a war" by a stranger
>give them an answer
>russian, belarussian get asked the same question
>it is clearly a man from the secret police
>lie to keep potato ration
>>60436635
Factories can't just build anything you tell them to, just because your plant can produce tanks doesn't mean it can produce trains and vice-versa
Even if that were the case, there's still the matter of the enormous amounts of raw materials the USSR received from the US
>>60436695
>That's a battalion of paratroopers, marine or light infantry plus a supporting artillery contingent, engineers, logisticians and light tanks. Russia can't drop that anywhere around the world, due to its complete lack of a navy and overseas territories.
In the hypothetical you are not going to fight a few hundred Argentines. You are fighting tens of millions of soldiers. You can have your tiny little professional army but when it comes to a real war it will be destroyed. Just like British expeditionary forces proved useless in the world wars. A tiny battalion is useless if it simply gets overrun and your own coscripts surrender because they are cowards.
>>60436729
>russian, belarussian get asked the same question
>it is clearly a man from the secret police
>lie to keep potato ration
Brits are so stupid it hurts.
>>60436635
>t. knows nothing about Belarus beyond memes
You see, nobody outside of maybe a couple of people in Russia actually gives a fuck about Belaruse.
>>60434157
If you put russia whit orange no story
>>60436769
>Factories can't just build anything you tell them to, just because your plant can produce tanks doesn't mean it can produce trains and vice-versa
Tank factories were actually normally converted vehicle factories.
>>60436790
Well they car enought to put sanctions around.
>>60436688
You really think some street census on a bunch of people living in place with strong currency and high standard of living are gonna show people enthusiastic about fighting? That shit would change in a heartbeat the moment actual war threatened their country and some of their nice comfy vices had to be restricted.
>>60434157
jews
>>60436822
Only your old people would actually want to fight for your countries. Half your immigrants would stab in the back, young people are too faggot to fight.
>>60436816
>Tank factories were actually normally converted vehicle factories.
Yes, they were. Cars and trucks are more similar to tanks than trains are, though.
>>60436770
If you're all so patriotic why do you have rigged elections and conscription?
>You are fighting tens of millions of soldiers
Says who? No one can field that many men at once, aside from possibly China. Even the Soviet armies at the end of WW2 weren't that big.
>Just like British expeditionary forces proved useless in the world wars
The BEF in WW1 provided a professional core to the rest of the Army that arrived and handled itself very well. It was responsible for the majority of early successes against Germany.
>A tiny battalion is useless if it simply gets overrun and your own coscripts surrender because they are cowards
The last time Britain had conscription it was winning various guerilla and anti insurgency campaigns. The last time Russia had conscription we were treated to their conscripts being beheaded on live television.
>>60436865
>Complains about memeing
>Memes
>>60436865
It's great that you're allowed to leave your country freely to learn these things about the west first hand.
GAS THE HWAN, FINNO-KOREAN HYPERWAR NOW
>>60436895
>>60436899
>>60436936
>anglo butthurt
>>60436865
Even if you were right that western people won't fight for their countries, it doesn't matter. Any proper military would take one professional soldier rather than 10 conscripts, because conscripts are fucking useless
>>60436966
>Turkish """"people""""""
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5iozM5ZiNE
>>60436870
Train factories were also converted.
>>60436895
>If you're all so patriotic why do you have rigged elections and conscription?
What does this have to do with patriotism? You think the Germans in Nazi Germany, the Japanese in Japan, the Russians in the Soviet Union were not patriotic just because of government form?
>It was responsible for the majority of early successes against Germany.
It was crushed in Belgium. The French were the ones who stopped the German advance in WW1.
>Says who? No one can field that many men at once, aside from possibly China. Even the Soviet armies at the end of WW2 weren't that big.
Soviet Army at the end of WW2 was 11 million.
>The last time Britain had conscription it was winning various guerilla and anti insurgency campaigns.
Exactly, you have not fought an actual war in decades. Just skirmishes with Arabs and Argentines.
>>60436936
>he actually thinks Belarus is a European North Korea
You are brainwashed.
>>60436978
Not in major wars, because your professionals quickly die off in a big war. You need conscripts to fight a major war.
>this belorussian monkey
kek
>>60437085
>Not in major wars, because your professionals quickly die off in a big war
If they do, you're not doing it right. Even so, it's a lot more cost effective to train a small number of soldiers and equip them with the best equipment there is, rather than training a huge number of them and give them ancient equipment if any at all
>>60437183
> Even so, it's a lot more cost effective to train a small number of soldiers and equip them with the best equipment there is
And then they get overrun by the millions they face. Having a 60,000 man professional army is not useful in a great war. Numbers count. Of course when you are fighting some Arabs in the desert you ant a professional force, but when you are fighting actual countries you need a large army which unless you are like China or India in population size will need conscripts.
>>60437249
>And then they get overrun by the millions they face.
A million men cannot overrun ten thousand men if those 10k are sitting in armour. This isn't WW1, the number of soldiers is irrelevant. What matters is the equipment
>>60437336
t. advisor that resulted in the americans losing in vietnam and getting pushed back in korea
>>60434947
Problem is that it's all outdated pieces of shit
I went to RIAT 2 years ago and while other European countries brought their F-16's, Tornadoes, Mirages ect, the Hellenic Navy brought some A-7s which were like 20 years older than any other plane there
They left a week after the other planes because they found fractures in the control surfaces and had to fly new parts in from Greece
>>60437367
>Vietnam
Fighting happening in a rainforest, and mostly on foot
>Korea
Mountains with soldiers sneaking up on armour
Pretty sure the area where western countries would fight Russia is mostly flat
>>60437512
And how did that go for Hitler last time he tried it?
>>60437549
Didn't go too well when Hitler tried it, but it worked when Poland did
>>60437696
Poland that ended up under Soviet dominance for 50 years? This is a good outcome for you?
>>60436579
War in Georgia was a 5 day war, m8. Of which 4 we were slowly driving through the mountains.
In 2008 we just started our military reform. 2020 is the year it is finally over with more than 80% of our old gear being modernized or changed for totally new ones. Also, we had total change of command structure.
It's like 2 different armies.
>>60437731
There are several wars where Russia beat Poland
>>60437367
>>60437512
>>60437249
We won the vietnam war on the battlefield, pushing the North Vietnamese all the way to the border of cambodia and forcing them into an armistice signed in paris, but our fucking congress gave in to the hippie memes and refused to fund the South Vietnamese military once American forces had already pulled out, and the North re-took the country while we sat on our asses. The war in vietnam was a policy failure, not a military failure.
>>60436895
M8, those russian conscripts actually won a war against guerillas in their home.
>>60435287
and your country lost in 4 days
>>60434157
France and the UK have the best army and the best economy and the best industry in the region. So of course green would win.
The only war in which the orange ones stand a chance is in a guerrilla warfare
>>60437910
Bybthat logic ussr actually won in Afghanistan.
>>60434157
There are millions of "Oranges" living in all the critical cities of the Greens. So, Orange, definitely.
>>60438790
policy failure =/= military failure, that's the only point I'm making here
It's a doubt whether Europe alone would beat russia, now take out some European countries
And then add them to russia's side
Not even a question tbabh
>>60434966
lel the butthurt off Polacks is too much
>>60440132
With Europe united, Russia wouldn't stand a chance.
>>60434157
orange would conquer the eastern front in a week
>>60434157
orange has more nukes
plus the advantage of surrounding green from all sides
green has stronger allies
in reality both sides will turn to dust
>>60434530
Russia has a decent army.
blue
Orange clearly.
>>60437249
Numbers count? Ask the Soviets about their funtime in Finland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
lol russia just nukes everyone
>>60441788
>Soviet victory
They count.
>>60440685
bullshit, they will learn you how to build strategical bunkers for generals!
