Does /int/ agree with this language difficulty pyramid?
>>60358171
this is made from the perspective of an european, chinese is significantly more easy than german to learn and nowhere close to japanese.
>>60358171
How is Polish more difficult than other Slavic languages? It doesn't even require you to remember the accent paradigm for every word like East and South Slavic langs do
>>60358253
Is Japanese really that hard comparatively? It's the only language I've tried to learn properly, so if I wanted to pick up french or something, would it be easy mode?
meme
Arabic, Chinese and Greek are the hardest.
This one is shit
>>60358253
>chinese is significantly more easy than german to learn
>>60358171
Bullshit, Polish is literally Ukranian + German, so it should be between them (probably closer to Ukranian due to funny phonetics)
Chinese is a great deal more difficult than Japanese - Japanese has strict sentence structure that helps a great deal, also kana.
>>60358737
Russian is my native, and I spent most of my life learning English, so I'm the closest foreigner can get to a native speaker, I guess. Japanese is harder than French because kanji and shit, but it feels more logical overall. It's definitely harder, but the gap is not that big as, say, with Chinese.
Most of the rankings I've seen say Japanese, Chinese languages, Korean and Arabic as the hardest languages for English speakers.
Not like it should affect what language you choose to learn.
>polish
are you fucking kidding me?
>>60358846
بالنسبة لي ليست اللغة العربية صعبة (خصوصا قواعدها) ولكن فهم كل اللهجات صعب جدا. معظم البرامج الأمريكية في الجامعات لدراسة اللغة العربية تدرّس الفصحى فقط وعندما يذهب الطلاب إلى بلاد عربية للدراسة معظمهم لا يستطيعون أن يفهموا الناس المحلي
>>60358171
>finnish, magyar, estonian
>hard
>>60359835
Probably made by a "muh ultrahard language" Pole. Spliting slavic languages two tiers apart is going full retard.
I've no idea where you got that German bit from though. How is it similar?
Anyone see this comparison between Japanese, Chinese and Korean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSx7_FILIyI
Summary of video:
Hardest Reading: Chinese
Hardest Structure of languages: Japanese
Hardest Pronunciation : He said all are pretty straightforward
Hardest Comprehension: Chinese
>>60358171
>>60359835
No. Japanese is far far more difficult than Chinese. I will say that Polish on par or more difficult than Chinese, because you will spend a lot of time on Polish pronunciation. It's also illogical for Finnish and Hungarian to be considered more difficult than Japanese, considering their grammar sets are very similar, but you're not spending 1000+ hours on characters and getting used to reading hiragana / katakana.
>>60358171
French is the easiest for me, but that is only because I have a strong devotion to learn it. France's culture and history are so interesting that it is definitely worth it, and of course I hope to live there one day. French truly is the best language.
>>60360477
>>60358846
Almost everyone is wrong, at least from the point of view of an English speaker.
englesh is hrd too lern
>>60359869
That list is someone's attempt at being funny or made by a complete imbecile that couldn't even spend 5 minutes to at least get a basic understanding from Wikipedia.
>>60360829
It's a joke about how people circle jerk about language difficulties
>>60358171
Language difficulty depends on your native language. For native Estonian speaker finnish would be easier than Polish, for native Russian speaker Polish would be easier than Finnish.
For native English speakers Spanish, Swedish etc would be the easiest ones imo
>>60358675
We have very complicated declination
>>60360749
Even Americans can master a simplified version of it,
>European languages above Japanese
fucking lol, who made this?
>>60359891
Tak, kurwo bulgarska
>>60360645
Got any reading/watching recommendations or general tips?
>>60359869
>tfw I speak an almost-impossible-to-learn language
>>60360958
Not really. Sometimes it's more regular than ours, sometimes it's less. Czech declension seems more complicated, for example.
>>60358171
Chinese below Arabic, both below Polish?
>>60360148
>أن يفهموا الناس المحلي
Otherwise, your Arabic is actually pretty good yet shows off a bit of foreignness. MLA a shit, Fusha a shit. Franco a shit. Lahja is usually always the way to go.
>>60360645
>Ouiboo
Nice
>>60358171
I agree. Polish on the top makes sence this language is so unimportant that probably noone ever in history tryed to lern it so ppl probably believe its hard to lern.
I hope whoever made that image was joking.
>>60358171
The very idea of this pyramid is stupid, since difficulty will depend on the native language.
For example, an English speaker would struggle far more with Latin than a Pole.
>>60361063
japanese really isn't that hard
>>60358171
No. I dont think at least Polish, Finnish, are so hard, seeing the structure of their English on their comments. Those sound quite natural compared to, for instance, Japanese users English, and that means the fundamental structures of their languages arent far away from English.
>>60362537
>implying you know Japanese
Let me guess, you took a few classes?
>>60362624
He watched Naruto, he is basicly fluent
>>60362723
I'm sure he's dabbled in it. He probably read a bit about basic grammar and saw how straightforward the individual grammar concepts are.
People who say that Japanese isn't hard just haven't gotten very far in the language.
>>60358171
>polish
>on the top
can we stop with this meme
>No articles
>No word order (mostly)
>Lots of vocabulary with Latin roots
>The alphabet is phonetic
>Few verb tenses ( 3 tenses and 2 aspects more accurately)
Where would Hebrew go on the pyramid?
>>60363582
Having no articles actually makes it harder for "article speakers" as English, since you need to convey the same info by other means.
Latin vocab doesn't help either; loanwords are sometimes used, unlike the core vocab used all the fucking time. No use knowing "radio" or "cebula" when you don't know że, tylko or jestem.
I agree it's a meme, though... basic Polish grammar is still pretty much the same as any IE language, including English. And unlike stuff as Japanese, Cherokee or Mandarin.
>>60363582
>No word order (mostly)
"Free word order" is a meme actually. It just means you have to use different word orders in different situations, sentences with randomly placed words still sound retarded.
>The alphabet is phonetic
Good argument.
>Few verb tenses
Well, many people struggle with these two aspects for some reason...
>>60362419
This desu. If your native language is agglutinating, chances are you are going to learn another agglutinating language more easily than say a fusional language amd vica versa.
>>60362980
this applies to every language.
>>60360829
Didn't the flags give away the irony
>>60365664
shut up Russia
>>60360581
Japanese grammar is pretty simple actually. In general I wouldn't consider Japanese a difficult language to learn, just different.
>>60365475
Japanese is different because it has a reputation as being arguably the most difficult language for native English speakers.
It's true that Japanese grammar isn't very complex, and when beginners start learning about it they get overly confident. The problem is that the simple grammar often makes sentences incredibly difficult to understand and leave you fucked unless you have a native speaker or an an experienced learner to clarify things.
>>60365785
Japanese doesn't become difficult until you start reading real native material.
>>60360148
>>60360148
You must pick an accent if you want to speak Arabic to someone otherwise it comes off as way too formal and awkward. But I commend you for learning Arabic, it's nice to see that there is one person out there interested in learning it.
>>60365475
Nope, it actually doesn't. Japanese is really difficult.
This chart is guaranteed 100% bullshit and pseudolinguistics.
>>60365785
Right. The grammar is as easy as English, and kanji is also easy.
The hardest part isnt any of them. It's the way to construct a proper combination of words to express.
You have to choice a proper subject out of watashi, ore, boku, etc first in each situation, and most gaijins, even the ones who have some JP language license, already are bad at this, and then you have to repeat a similar process several times in honorifics, suffix, etc to express a sentence.
For instance, Its me or Yes I am in Japanese is Ore + desu, Watahi + desu, Boku + desu, Ore + da, Watashi + da, Boku + da. and shit. They are grammatically all the same but the impressions are all different. Your Japanese forever sounds strange unless you have a proper one in each situation, even if thats grammatically completely correct.
IMO this is the hardest part to learn Japanese because this isnt about grammar, its about "situations".
And a bunch of the learners dont even realize the fact this exists or they just miss it.
OP is a troll. The original photo shows you which nations are most and least likely to be gay. Top of the pyramid is least gay, bottom is most gay. Obviously.
It really depends on the native language no?
>>60360471
>how its similar
muh harsh sounding.meme
>>60358737
My first language is English, I learned Chinese and speak it fluently. It was pretty hard but not too bad. I'm currently studying Japanese and its much easier, maybe its just me but it makes a lot of sense to me naturally.
Arabic was fucking hard. The writing system, grammar, phonology... Fucking hell, it was like learning alienspeak.
>>60358171
Personally anything that makes me learn a new script I put at the top.
In just speaking the language I would put Japanese lower, and finnish at the top.
I'm tired of this meme, polish isn't more complicated than other languages.
t. someone who has studied 4 languages
>>60369395
thats a grills handwriting
are you a grill?!
>>60369540
y-yes
>>60369395
Starbucks is still for plebs
>>60369801
starbucks?
>>60369395
>NOSOTROS
>VOSOTROS
>>60363828
If you say "top" you get a cookie.
If you say "bottom" you get free reeducation.
>>60369838
nosotros= we
vosotros= it's used only in Spain I think, it's like a grupal (You)
>classic americunt thread
From whose perspective? Polish is no big deal for other Slavic speakers for instance. If we're going with English as a base, I'd say:
Mandarin, Arabic
Japanese
Finnish, Hungarian
German, Polish, Russian
French, Italian, Spanish, maybe Swedish
Dont know much about the others posted
>>60369901
I get it, I just meant to say that these words seem too long for such basic concept as "we" and "you".
>>60370023
k, and how do you say these words in russian?
>>60370063
"my" and "vy" ;)
>>60370023
Because you normally conjugate the word you're trying to associate with "we" and "you(plural)".
Vamos - I go
Vamonos - we go
>>60370153
little mistake:
Vamos: we go
voy: I go
vamonos: lets go
>>60358737
French would be shit tons easier, trust me. When the normies came in after 1066 they brought their language with them and basically put their vocabulary on top of the existing anglo-saxon. Its why for example its fancier to dine (french word) on food than just eat food (anglo saxon)
>>60358171
Whoever put Polish on top has obviously never heard or tried to speak a lick of Welsh. You need half a cup of phlem for a decent conversaton.
>>60370194
Thank you! No hablo español sufficimente, soledad!
>>60358171
i find french to be easier than italian
>>60370225
Duin likja sharad cymraeg!
>>60370225
rydw i'n hoffi sglodion
>>60370351
please vocaroo a phrase
>>60362564
Finnish and English don't even belong to the same language family, m89
>>60370351
>>60370348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHxO0UdpoxM
>>60370351
ydych chi eisiau pysgod â hynny?
>>60370393
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1RX9yrJtOGv
>>60365664
stfu poland
>>60369395
>tfw no qt polyglot gf to help me learn a second language
>>60370544
thank you! and what does that means? :D
>>60370625
to be honest I studied those languages in highschool, I'm only learning polish now
>>60370659
rydw i'n hoffi sglodion = I like chips
Why aren't languages like Mongolian, Thai, Malay and Vietnamese considered? They seem hard and have more speakers than Hungarian, Finnish and Estonian.
>>60370765
Because they're basically without syntax. They speak like babies.
"I soda want" "water cold cold"
And you declare your gender when you speak all the time. kap kun khrap/kap kun ka for m/f respectively
>>60370801
>And you declare your gender when you speak all the time
Dude most Romantic languages do that.
Is Korean easier or harder than Japanese and Chinese?
>>60370938
No, that's different. Women and men don't say words differently, you gender the word to the recipient.
Thai genders it to the speaker.
>>60370955
Easier. Their letters are super fun and easy to remember. I still know the sounds of korean words when I see them, even if I can't into the meaning.
Sometimes I can se "seoul" "pyongyang" "samsung" etc,
>>60370955
Chinese (mandarin) has four tones, and the tones determine the word. It's super tricky imo.
Besides, mandarin is basically just the official dialect, most chinese people speak more dialects, and those aren't even similar.
Cantonese, Hokkien, Wan, etc. etc.
>>60370955
>>60371038
Damn that's pretty neat. I can see why so many people become koreaboos
>>60358737
Japanese is easier than Chinese. They at least have an alphabet. Also, standardized pronunciation.
On the other hand, they have a lot more formal registers and contextual stuff than Chinese, which is more idiomatic like English is.
>>60371038
Considering trying to learn Korean now tbqh
>>60358171
Learning to speak Chinese (common dialects like mandarin) and Japanese is not that hard. The hard part is the backward ass writing that they use.
