Vote: http://www.strawpoll.me/10385159
Battle of Skylines // Group C // London - Panama City - San Francisco - Shanghai
The two cities with the highest number of votes make it to the knockout stage.
/balt/
>>60293663
this
London, United Kingdom
>>60293691
What you lads think of that new city South Korea are buildings?
>>60293728
>>60293748
are you a Korean expat? do you mean Incheon?
Panama City, Panama
>>60293807
I'm not an expat I just heard about it and thought it sounded cool.
>>60293807
>>60293840
why so broken english then
well it sounds cool but also looks quite empty for now, we'll see how it does when it gets finished
San Francisco, USA
>>60293945
>>60293987
Shanghai, China
>>60294057
>>60293911
Posting from my phone lad
>>60294098
Another group won by China I guess.
But we can have a nice competition over the second place.
>>60294174
Oh, ok.
>>60294216
We all know who the winner will be at the end anyways
>>60294352
Shanghai has better supertalls
>>60294400
Shanghai isn't as nice and dense
>look at the poll
>0 votes
: ^)
Cut off the bottom 200 meters of Shanghai Tower and it still looks tall as fuck.
>>60294504
I-I'm still deciding. Shanghai is definitely my fav, but I want to be tacticool.
You should use something that allows two votes tbqh. I want both my favorite and second favorite to make it through.
>>60293636
ShangHI domination
>>60294504
Weird I voted.
>>60293911
Isn't it just the new capital?
>>60294098
They need a few more buildings to fill it out.
>>60294352
That's such a pretty building.
>>60295093
>>60295168
>>60294689
>I-I'm still deciding. Shanghai is definitely my fav, but I want to be tacticool.
I'm not going to be le tacticool because I don't like any of cities in this group besides Shanghai desu.
>You should use something that allows two votes tbqh.
What does even allow for 2 votes?
>>60295062
Sejong is kind of the new capital, but I think he was talking about Songdo/Incheon.
>>60294631
It honestly is a beautiful building. I can't believe they nailed the design so well.
I think Shanghai needs more development though like he says>>60294503
Good thing a few more supertalls are in the works.
>>60295093
Either it or Shenzen are the best cities in China.
I've heard Hangzhou has the best quality of life though.
>>60295273
>Good thing a few more supertalls are in the works.
where?
>>60295225
>>60295506
>>60295577
>>60295688
>>60295869
muh Shanghai
>>60295920
So hard to find non-Pudong photos
>>60296104
>>60295410
Maybe not supertalls but a few more 300m+ are being constructed or finished. And about 10, 200+'s.
>>60296144
>>60296230
Supertall means 300m+
>>60296266
>>60295869
See they need to fill out a little more of the spaces.
>>60296104
That's like their national mall right?
>>60296331
Why?
Just demolish the lowrises and small shit to build towers as needed.
Leave the gaps for parks.
>>60296285
What kind of weird tripname is this?
Also, Koreans are the masterrace.
>>60296385
Don't think so. I think it's just a normal shopping district.
>>60296426
That's what I mean.
Damn the little people! They can eat cake!
>>60296501
I see it in all the Western articles on "Chinese consumers."
>>60296452
Lmao Shanghai Tower was one ugly fucker 2010-2013.
>>60296317
>>60296554
It's probably quite well known, being in the most foreigner friendly area of the most foreigner friendly city in China.
>>60296104
there's a fuckton of photos of Shanghai in general
it's way worse with all the other Chinese cities, maybe except for HK
>>60296565
>>60296450
>What kind of weird tripname is this?
>tripname
>can't understand what's mean?
this pic is taoism temple,shanghai
>>60296739
>>60296426
Gaps are cancer, especially once parks are added between every single building. There should be a working city between those towers, something that proves this is first and foremost a place for humans. Parks are fine, but they shouldn't be everywhere. Make designated room for them. This is a city, not a suburb with skyscrapers. Not every building needs a backyard.
>>60297014
>This is a city, not a suburb with skyscrapers
Says who?
smog addition
>>60297014
this, Chinese urban planning is ridiculous and inefficient
this is the very centre of the largest metropolis of the second largest economy in the world
>>60296944
>>60296651
China needs foreigners and immigrants.
I don't get why they don't start accepting Cambodians, Laotians, and Vietnamese that want to become official citizens.
I've heard talk of them issuing a "Chinese ethnicity" card to all people who can trace Chinese ethnicity. This would allow them to visit China easier and to immigrate in easier. It also builds a sense of national identity among many overseas Chinese who are pulling away.
Would be a smart idea.
>>60297116
China is like America in that they have shit loads of room to expand.
And Shanghai has basically no natural barriers to constrain it.
>>60296830
That's a name.
Tripcode is not attached.
So Trip or tripname.
Taoism? I've always liked its philosophy. Connected to nature.
>>60297282
I don't think any immigrants will be any significant in a country with a population of 1,3 billion. They need to fix they society, that's it.
>>60297183
>>60297116
That's essentially their central park.
And no. Their city planning is not inefficient. They just had a lot of room to expand outwards. I almost see them as suburban skyscrapers.
New York was like that in 1920. Then it filled in over time.
Shanghai will do the same.
>>60297116
Well, CBD's in general are often disjointed like that, it's not just a China thing. Problem is when the rest of the city is the same. The older areas like these ones >>60296104
are the only ones that appear to be truly urban.
It's a shame, really. Modern architecture with traditional and dense planning is the best.
>>60297419
>New York was like that in 1920
no it wasn't
>>60297418
>>60297419
>New York was like that in 1920
New York was a proper city way before skyscrapers came, lad. The only difference is that tall buildings replaced the short buildings, planning and structure of the city is still the same.
>>60297419
>That's essentially their central park.
No it's not
Pudong isn't even the heart of Shanghai. It's a relatively new business district.
>>60297369
Every bit helps.
I'd start with issuing a Chinese ethnicity card to all overseas Chinese. Being able to visit China easier and immigrate their would be a godsend for a lot of overseas Chinese.
Immigration won't do much. But it'll be very useful in the 1st world cities that are aging rapidly.
China's two child policy is stupid. It's only in place still because there's 700,000 people working in the Ministry of Family Planning. They all want to continue doing abortions and managing the population, but it is killing China's future and pisses off so many people who want to have their second child in China.
If Xi had some balls he'd reverse its policies and turn it into a pro-natalist Ministry. It shouldn't be too hard to go from a smaller family planning Ministry to a larger family planning Ministry.
I'm starting to lose faith in the reformers. China is reforming, but too slowly for its own good.
>>60297437
>Well, CBD's in general are often disjointed like that, it's not just a China thing.
Any example of such a CBD outside of China?
>>60297419
>New York was like that in 1920.
no it wasn't
>>60297635
>If Xi had some balls he'd reverse its policies and turn it into a pro-natalist Ministry.
Xi certainly has balls, his anti-corruption campaign, he threw into a prison a former leader of security service, but it's not like he can do everything he is conflicted with some other faction rn(don't know the details though).
>>60297760
>>60297635
Good, I hope they continue their 1 child policy. There's enough of them already, and look at how badly they've poisoned their own country and overfished their seas so they're full of jellyfish now. Thanks to them we get hoards of literally millions of huge jellyfish that weigh a tonne each floating down the East Coast of Australia and ruining our beaches.
>>60297474
It was very much spread out in 1920. The city proper is the same size as back then.
But the population has added 4 million.
>>60297582
Essentially this. Shanghai will most likely follow a similar path with all the 50 foot tall apartments in the urban zone.
>>60297626
Nigger, Their CDB is within a mile of that picture.
Central Park is within a mile of New York's CDB.
>>60297836
Manhattan had a much higher population density in the 1920's than it does now.
>>60297873
CBD*
>>60297836
Manhattan was never spread out what are you talking about, just look at the old pictures. >>60297873
>Nigger, Their CDB is within a mile of that picture.
??!
>>60297944
And as far as building density goes it was already completely filled.
>>60297768
I know I know. He has the power and has reformed a ton of bad things in China.
But that's one area that the proper answer to is obvious. China only added 40 million people since 2010. A two child policy is stupid.
Hopefully next year they remove it all together.
In Heliojang, Tibet, and Inner Mongolia they are loosening the policy to 3 children.
A 3 child policy would be far better than a 2 child policy. A lot of Chinese would have a third child in China. But the one child policy and two child policy make them go abroad to America to have their children.
It's just a stupid relic of the past. It was useful in 1980-2000. Not anymore though.
>>60297944
well technically yes but I think during the day the current Manhattan has a higher density
less people are living on Manhattan, but more are working then
>>60297806
They are already on the 2 child policy and are moving towards a 3 child policy in some provinces.
The average Chinese fertility is probably only 2. They need more kids.
India on the other hand is going to be a permanent shithole. It's looking like China without the 1 child policy.
>>60298039
well I guess so it's not like China is dealing with some extreme population, Chinese cities aren't even dense
but probably it'd be too much of a shock if they just removed it all together at once, I mean they want to kind of stay in control, maybe they are afraid of drammatical population growth
>>60297995
I meant this>>60297582
Apologies senpai.
>>60297944
Manhattan != NYC.
>>60298007
Okay? That wasn't my point.
>>60298106
India isn't going fucking anywhere.
Some people already think that China is a new superpower, but India? Despite it's ENORMOUS population it's not more relevant than an average Western European country. I'm laughing at people who are saying "muh India will surpass China, they are growing faster now!!". Yes """""""""""""faster""""""""""""""'. When China was where India is now in terms of developement, it was growing for atleast 10%, while India doesn't even get close to that. And it's a fucking disaster, corrupted, dirty, totally unorganized failure.
Such is a democracy in 1 000 000 000 + state.
>>60298116
>they are afraid of drammatical population growth
China is currently facing a population crisis by around 2035 if they don't do something soon.
That is, assuming automation doesn't completely remove the need for a lower class population. Which could very well happen.
>>60298195
>Manhattan != NYC.
but we are talking about the central areas of Shanghai - Pudong, Puxi so naturally you would compare them to Manhattan.
>>60297794
>>60298116
The Ministry of Family Planning is powerful and doesn't want to lose 700,000 people whose entire life is built upon abortions and family planning.
But my proposal, and the proposal of a few other Chinese demographers, is to make the Ministry a pro-natalist ministry like Poland's or France's instead of an anti-natalist ministry.
This would provide jobs to the 700,000 people, while also allowing Chinese families to stop paying fines and to stop going abroad with their kids.
China in 2050 will be 46 on average. It's 36 today.
That's brutal for them.
I personally expect the two child policy to be completely removed sometime by 2020, but it honestly should be removed completely now.
Their 1990's baby boom is approaching birthing age, and if they can't have natural growth until 2020, China won't have another chance to fix their demography.
>London 4 votes
>SF 1
what the fug? where are the eternal burgers at?
>mfw all the americans itt voted for Shanghai
c u c k o l d
>>60298400
SF is a national embarrassment m8
>>60298395
Fingers crossed they continue pursuing this retarded policy.
>>60298278
India is a shithole. And it will continue to be a shithole.
Every economist believes India's GDP growth rates are more like 5.5% a year. But their "statistics" are literally worse than China's.
For example, according to their stats agency 2013 growth got upgraded from 3% to 7% for no reason at all.
Meanwhile in 2013 India had a financial crisis, immense corruption crises, and exports fell dramatically.
Still, India has a lot of young people unlike China. India being shit won't help China.
China needs to fix its demographics and giving people the freedom to have kids is the best fix.
>>60298447
Really? As opposed to what, Houston? Dallas? Those shining pinnacles of civilisation?
SF is one of the only cities worth visiting in the States m8.
>>60298400
Shanghai is great.
London is meh.
SF is shit. (But that seafood is dope).
>>60298390
Ahh yes.
China
>>60298447
uh didnt know
btw quality thread with a lot of discussion
>>60298700
Truly a soulless people.
>>60298534
They changed it to a 2 child policy this year. And 3 if you remarry with a new partner.
For most Chinese that's all the kids they'll ever want to have.
But in three provinces they already moved to a limited 3 child policy. There' talk in Shanghai or removing it all together.
I'd worry more about India. It has worse pollution than China, and is still poorer than Iraq.
>>60298673
Have you been to SF?
Homeless people and trash, everywhere. Even worse are the hoards of millennial yuppies.
Also I forgot to post the results of the Group B poll.
1. Guangzhou: 18
2. Sydney: 16
3. Kuala Lumpur: 13 (RIP KUALA)
4. Bangkok: 4
>>60298673
SF is a great city with meh buildings. But the people in it are worthy of genocide.
>>60298763
Nice edge.
You know what America did in 1850-1950 right?
Our immigrants and developers did the exact same shit as China's developers.
>>60298873
>great city
>meh buildings
>people worthy of genocide
so what does make it "great" then?
>>60298975
Trump.
Actually, the landscape with the hills and bay, environment, and Golden Gayte Bridge.
>>60298856
LMAO MALAYSIA BTFO BY AUSSIE SHITPOSTERS
>>60298783
At least India aren't expansionist cunts.
>>60298790
>Homeless people and trash, everywhere
Isn't that pretty standard in large American cities?
>>60298873
The terrace houses are pretty comfy, reminds me of inner Sydney.
>>60298967
It's painfully obvious you're diaspora m8
>>60298967
>>60297650
>Any example of such a CBD outside of China?
Not as extreme, but basically "tower in the park/field" planning is seen in your very picture. It's a thing in Yokohama too, and Dubai, and Brussels and whatever else. Basically just tall buildings that are needlessly detached from the city.
Frankfurt for example is a different case, where buildings are integrated into the pre-existing structure. Thing is that when there's no pre-existing structure, it's expected that things like that happen. Problem arises when parks or big highways are added, and you no longer can fill those gaps with much needed low-rises to help density with.
>>60299061
>At least India aren't expansionist cunts.
HAHAHAHAHAHhaahahhahahahAhahahahahahahAhahahahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAH
>diaspora
Even if I was more than a Heinz 41 American studying a Georgetown University in Washington DC, that wouldn't change the facts.
America is called soulless for us not having much original culture.
Same for China, except China's lack of culture is just a meme. The place is full of WTF IS THAT SHIT WTF.
For example, pic related.
>>60299202
Ah yes, dogs in fedoras are truly the staple of Chinese culture
Thank you for the enlightenment, my American™ friend
>>60299202
Nice contribution to the discussion.
>>60299202
God damn dude. I'm a bigger chinaboo than anyone, but even I can admit they are largely a bunch of uncreative, soulless, copycats.
>>60299518
Wtf, why?
I could kind of understand if they did it using their own historical figures... but this just makes no sense at all.
>>60299518
>>60299616
>>60299670
>>60299714
>>60299758
>>60299802
Ah yes, exactly what the Americans were doing in the 1800s.
>>60299120
I'm not against detaching skyscrapers from existing city, sometimes it's really difficult to incorporate them into an existing urban structure, there are historical buildings to protect and oftenly such incorporating results in a fucking shitshow - example ? London. It's better when they build skyscrapers "out of the city" like in Paris/Moscow atleast then the designers and planners are able to arrange the buildings properly and densely pack them. Yes it doesn't look that good now - but in the years to come a new urban structure will naturally arise around the CBDs and it will look even better than some fucking clusterfuck into the middle of existing city.
That diaspora fella is nowhere to be seen kek
>>60299518
>>60299616
>>60299670
>>60299714
>>60299758
>>60299802
>>60299872
>>60299910
My sides
China is truly a magical land
>>60299417
>but even I can admit they are largely a bunch of uncreative, soulless, copycats.
>invented gunpowder
>invented papermaking
>invented compass
>invented printing
>developed a unique writing system on their own
>developed a great, rich culture which heavily influenced surrounding countries
are you people severely uneducated or what? do some fucking theme parks and tourist towns make the Chinese soulless copycats?
>>60300012
That was all before the communism
>>60300080
communism is nothing more than another dynasty
>>60299338
They eat dogs. That's cultural senpai.
>>60299404
You are just a racist.
>>60299417
Oh and how does one determine this? Is there an objective measurement of racial characteristics?
>>60299834
We were developing European equivalents in the 1900-1970 period. Very similar to what China is doing.
>>60299962
>diaspora
Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me the boogeyman you fear.
>>60299975
It really is.
>>60300012
He's talking about contemporary China, and it's true. Almost anything good you can say about China is pre-1900.
>>60300163
>Is there an objective measurement of racial characteristics
It's nothing to do with race
>Shanghai leading only by 1 vote
come on people, does anyone seriously think this
>>60300080
Communism is not even a thing in China anymore.
And why the fuck would that change anything? Russia under Communism was 100x more technologically productive and culturally significant than before.
>>60300122
>>60300032
>>60299982
>>60299910
>>60299872
>>60299834
>>60299802
>>60299758
>>60299714
>>60299670
Is there something wrong with this? Or are you just butthurt?
>>60300217
is better than this
>>60300163
>repeatedly pulls the race card when we're obviously discussing culture
diaspora confirmed
>>60300242
>Communism is not even a thing in China anymore.
>And why the fuck would that change anything?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
>american education
>>60299853
And I'm not against detaching a CBD from a city either granted it one day becomes a natural part of it, but it's sad when they make planning decision that forever isolate them from that. They need to make room to build between the lines, and a big fancy park is not the key to this.
>>60300182
Chinese contemporary art is one of the most influential in the world, most of galleries around the world are filled with it
but you will probably say
>modern art
>>60300182
>Almost anything good you can say about China is pre-1900.
Nope. It's pre-1800 or even earlier.
>implying late Qing dynasty wasn't just a rotting shithole
>>60300182
>Almost anything good you can say about China is pre-1900.
Mass starvation? Civil war? Getting conquered by other nations? Losing territory to Russia fur trappers? Slavery? Foot binding? Women being sold for money?
How fucking great China was before 1900!
>>60300205
Then how does one determine this post>>60299417
There's no way for you to blatantly stereotype an entire country in an objective manner.
It's just racism.
>>60300316
>They need to make room to build between the lines, and a big fancy park is not the key to this.
and I never supported any big fancy parks in the middle of CBDs
>>60300372
Holy shit Li calm down
>>60300293
>discussing culture
"CHINESE PEOPLE" was mentioned about 5 times now by people that are not me you stupid faggot.
Keep calling me a boogeyman because you have no sources or logic.
>>60300301
>50 years have passed and OBVIOUSLY nothing has changed
>American education
>>60300355
pre 1800 is still pre 1900, I was making the point about communism you retard.
>Chinese contemporary art is one of the most influential in the world
complete bullshit. Ai Weiwei is one of the only notable contemporary artists to come from there and ironically he's practically exiled by their despotic regime for speaking out against it.
>>60300372
>Mass starvation? Civil war? Getting conquered by other nations? Losing territory to Russia fur trappers? Slavery? Foot binding? Women being sold for money?
>How fucking great China was before 1900!
They obviously don't know much about the history of China. Fuck me, I don't know much but I know the basics.
Ming was the last actually productive Chinese dynasty and that all ended with the eunuchs sperging out.
>>60300402
a-and I never implied you did.
I was just saying
>>60300479
What's changed is they've decided western and European culture is a status symbol.
>>60300479
Yes, but mainlander Chinese people are much the same genetically as Hong Kongers, Taiwanese, and Western born Chinese diaspora. We're obviously not talking about them though.
>>60300546
stop stuttering you fucking queer
>>60300434
>just accept my racism!!!!! Come on dude it's 4CHANNNNN
I hate these stupid fucking memes that /pol/ has created. They piss me off royally because they get trumpeted by /pol/tards all over 4chan.
China is a $12 trillion economy. That speaks enough about their "competence" by itself.
"Soulless, cultureless, automatons". Fuck this shit. It's just a blatant lie said by people who get their opinions from the internet.
>>60300372
>Mass starvation? Civil war? Getting conquered by other nations? Losing territory to Russia fur trappers? Slavery? Foot binding? Women being sold for money?
>>60300504
>They obviously don't know much about the history of China
Way to completely miss the point
is the diaspora still here?
this is probably the fastest /urban/ thread in history, pretty pathetic that 1ppm is our record, but still
>>60300678
Back the fuck off????
>>60300734
>175 posts by 10 IPs
wew
>>60300491
>making a point about communism
China since 1980 has been one of the most productive and culturally significant nations in the world.
Maoism was shit. And Communism fucks up a lot of things.
But acting like China 1750-1950 was any better is absurd. The place was pathetic since the Early Qing.
Now it is a rising global power.
>complete bullshit.
You're wrong. Keep shitposting though.
>>60300780
Name 3 international cultural symbols to come out of mainland china since 1980.
>>60300708
what are you even talking about
>>60300682
/pol/tards are menace
according to them everything which isn't traditional Western culture is automatically worthless
>>60300504
I'm saying that China 1750-1950 was a horrible horrible place to live in comparison to now.
This "culture" the Australian points to was horrible culture.
>>60300578
Maybe so. Hard to look at your poor coutry as the height of society.
>>60300588
>Obviously
How the fuck is that obvious? Maybe its obvious to a racist asshole, but when you say "Chinese people" it means CHINESE PEOPLE.
>>60300678
Fucking kill yourself shitposter.
>>60300778
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHhhHhHh hollyyy fuckkkk
>>60300780
>culturally significant
Lol under what metric?
Practically no one outside China speaks Mandarin, no one watches their movies, I couldn't name one of their contemporary authors/poets if I tried.
You're literally pulling this from your ass.
>>60300878
I'm not saying China pre-communism was a fucking golden era.
But communism destroyed a huge amount of culture and left a vacuum that has resulted in the rampant western-philia you see now.
>>60300851
Panda
Shaolin martial arts
New Buddhists
>>60300892
>I'm saying that China 1750-1950 was a horrible horrible place to live in comparison to now.
>This "culture" the Australian points to was horrible culture.
yes I know that I was saying that he doesn't really know anything about China he just thinks "communism ruined everything" while actually late Qing was a rotting shithole like I already said
>>60301088
>since 1980
>>60300851
Huawei, Lenovo, ZTE, Xiaomi, Tencent, great bullet trains
>>60300990
>Practically no one outside China speaks Mandarin,
Bullshit
>no one watches their movies,
Bullshit
>I couldn't name one of their contemporary authors/poets if I tried.
You being ignorant != China being culturally insignificant
>You're literally pulling this from your ass.
http://traveltips.usatoday.com/modern-day-china-culture-17217.html
Read.
>>60300990
>Practically no one outside China speaks Mandarin
you are joking right
>no one watches their movies
true desu most of them are shit but there are some few notable examples of popular chinese movies
> london
> skyline
>>60301190
Ahh yes.
Great cultural icons right there.
When I use my thinkpad I am constantly reminded of China's dominant culture.
>>60301303
fuck culture
>>60301190
>Huawei, ZTE, Xiaomi, Tencent
Literally who
>Lenovo
>a marginally famous laptop manufacturer is a cultural symbol
'ok'
>great bullet trains
How are these cultural symbols? They're obviously not unique to China nor did they invent them.
>>60301298
>you are joking right
I'm not including Chinese diaspora. Aside from them it's negligible, particularly outside of Asia.
>>60301020
>But communism destroyed a huge amount of culture
You can't destroy "culture".
>and left a vacuum that has resulted in the rampant western-philia you see now.
Maybe it has helped Western ideals.
I'd personally prefer CCP censorship being removed, but it's in no way a pervaisve policy.
Only .002% of internet articles are censored in China.
Like it or not, but the CCP is getting outrun by the forces of intellectual freedom in China.
In China today, we have a lot of revival movements of tradtional culture. Han imperial culture mainly.
>>60301488
>You can't destroy "culture".
Here's your (You)
>>60301583
Is that Panama city?
>>60301615
yes m8
>>60301095
Ahh okay. Maoism caused some damage. But Chinese culture has definitely recovered.
>>60301140
>since 1980
What? These are all post-1980 phenomenon.
>>60301303
Nice failure to retort his argument.
>>60301479
>literally who
You being ignorant != Chinese culture being insignificant.
>>60301576
Culture (noun)
:the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.
You literally cannot destroy culture.
rawr
>>60301742
what's it like?
>>60302017
Tell that to a descendant of any of the tens of thousands of cultures in human history that have been overrun/subjugated/surpressed by other cultures. For example the many ethnicities that the Han Chinese invaded and assimilated into their own.
>>60301943
I wouldn't call BHP Biliton or Rio Tinto Australian cultural icons, just as I wouldn't call those random companies you listed Chinese cultural icons. Lenovo is the only moderately famous one there, and most people probably don't even know it's Chinese.
Wow, just now got a sense of the scale on this thing.
Zoom in on the cantilever.
>>60302529
Where is this?
>>60301479
>>a marginally famous laptop manufacturer is a cultural symbol
>'ok'
Lenovo it's the world largest pc vendor
>marginally famous
you are simply ignorant
>>60301488
>I'd personally prefer CCP censorship being removed
No, the Chinese internet has to be protected from the Western monopolies
>>60302622
Central Park Tower in New York
>>60302048
>>60302133
Panama deserves more attention
>>60302453
Well, Billabong is pretty exquisitely Australian. Companies can actually be part of a nations identity, for better or worse. Think South Korea and Samsung.
>>60302674
Regardless, how is a laptop manufacturer a cultural symbol?
>>60302717
Why does every /urban/ thread devolve into you shilling for various despotic regimes around the world
You're a shit OP
>>60302245
>what's it like?
hot, humid, messy, disordered, chaotic
>>60302836
>Regardless, how is a laptop manufacturer a cultural symbol?
geez literally what "culture" you even have in XXI century besides american pop and american movies? I honestly can't name any single "cultural symbol" of country other than the US and Japan
>>60302735
haha benis
>>60302836
>Why does every /urban/ thread devolve into you shilling for various despotic regimes around the world
>You're a shit OP
I'm only shilling for China I don't shill for any other regime
Also China isn't any regime, China is how a country and government actually should look like - not some circus populist contest called "democracy"
>>60302920
Exactly
>>60302920
Movies, music, literature, architectural innovations, clothing, food etc.
>>60302965
You seem to have a proclivity towards glorifying some of the shitholes in the Middle East too.
>>60303054
>Movies, music, literature, architectural innovations, clothing, food etc.
and name any relevant movie, music, literature, architectural innovation of country other than the US or Japan (and Japan mostly because we are weebs here but actually Japan is not that important)
>food
>implying Chinese food isn't fucking everywhere
you are memeing right, every city in the West has a fuckton of Chinese restaurants
>You seem to have a proclivity towards glorifying some of the shitholes in the Middle East too.
>posting skylines of some Middle Eastern cities means I glorify these countries
anyway I'm not some delusional Westerner who thinks his culture and values are inherently superior to any other ones just because we've dominated the world since last 200-300 years
not everyone wants your liberal democracy and human rights bullshit, fucking accept that and let other civilizations follow their own rules
it's not like China is imposing internet censorship on Australia, they are not expansive in that regard
>>60303293
>and name any relevant movie, music, literature, architectural innovation
There are so many I wouldn't know where to begin. I mean you seriously don't know of any music outside of America? You're not the crunchiest peanut in the packet aren't you.
> fucking accept that and let other civilizations follow their own rules
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of Chinese that regularly protest and riot against the government's totalitarian policies. Or does that not suit your narrative?
My qualms with China are it's reckless destruction of it's surrounding environment (including the sea) which is having direct effects upon the Australian climate and is causing a myriad of problems. Not to mention their aggressive and expansionist politics.
>it's not like China is imposing internet censorship on Australia, they are not expansive in that regard
Actually they do try to force their censorship on us you retarded contrarian faggot.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2009/s2626012.htm
One of many examples.
>>60303664
>There are so many I wouldn't know where to begin.
wow so there aren't any right
>Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of Chinese that regularly protest and riot against the government's totalitarian policies.
what protests, where?
>My qualms with China are it's reckless destruction of it's surrounding environment (including the sea) which is having direct effects upon the Australian climate and is causing a myriad of problems.
They recently went through their own industrial revolution, that was inevitable to damage the environment, Europe used to be polluted as fuck aswell
anyway now China is spending more on green energy than the US, UK and France combined
>http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2009/s2626012.htm
kek just standard international relations
>>60303907
How about the Beatles, arguably the most famous band ever? Cbf arguing with you it's too late and I have work tomorrow.
>>60304072
>1980+
posting some panama city sine the whole thread is predictably filled with shanghai
>>60304103
Led Zepellin, Coldplay, Radiohead, that's just the UK. Daft Punk, Leonard Cohen, Drake and Justin Beiber. I'm just rattling these off the top of my head, they're some of the most popular bands at the moment/of their time.
>>60304190
It's a shame the spiraling tower doesn't keep its shape all the way to the bottom. The big box it stands on is kind of sad.
>>60304415
I agree. It could also be a bit taller.
>>60304442
How is living in Panama City? Do you see many tourists or expats?
>>60304458
It's cool regardless. Definitely stands out nicely among all those uninspiring condos.
>>60304563
They need more glass buildings.
>>60304308
Chinese indie rock is really good
>>60304754
post some pls
>>60304754
>>60304308
also I forgot about the UK it's obviously culturally important aswell
but that's it
the West is overwhelmingly dominated by the Anglo-Saxon culture
>>60304795
queen sea big shark
anyway guys
I've just realized that Busan's skyline isn't relevant at all and it's small af
what to include instead of it?
>>60304562
i live among expats, tourists only in tourists areas. the city is unwalkable
>>60298967
europeans move to new world -> europeans build things from their culture back home
chinese remain in china -> chinese start making carbon copies of things from europe and north america because they think it's cute
they are not the same thing
>>60304929
Yellowknife
>>60297419
>That's essentially their central park.
you wish, fuckcuck. go back to your designated shitting country aka china.
pic related.
>Panama Ciy wins over London.
Fug i should have been looking at the results instead of just voting for Shanghai.
