Why do Turks like Erdogan? Do you like living in a repressed dictatorship? Or are you the majority of stupid farming Turks that want to follow the Sharia and dont want any criticism on their great dumb fucking leader.
>>60241748
>the majority of stupid farming Turks that want to follow the Sharia and dont want any criticism on their great dumb fucking leader.
this
>>60241748
You automatically go investigate Trump supporters m8. Erdogan is 80 lvl troll. He hasn't broken single law. Effectively marginalized libtards in his country and will get reelected as PM again. It's still none of your business.
>>60241954
Tarkan pls go
>>60241748
Erdogan's government the most free government in Turkey that ever came to power. If you knew how Turkey started out as a literal dictatorship or more like a kingdom you would know why people were voting for Erdogan and his party.
>>60241748
>le erdogan is islamist meme
he must be good guy. considering stupid westerners and putinbots and donkey fucking k*rds hate him.
Turkey is a country that is always in action and might feel a bit chaotic at times.
Erdogan is someone who seems to take charge.
It gives people a sense of security.
>>60242082
>le erdogan is islamist meme
but he is..
>>60242019
t. özbekistan islami harekatı member
>>60242019>>60242060
Is it true that you can get in prison for criticizing Karimov on the Internet?
>>60242019
It may not be any of my businesses. It just saddens me that the Turks choose such a stupid leader and I can ask them for their reasons. Or is this place a dictatorship now? I can express my opinion right? And yeah you dont break laws if you bend them, doesn't necessarily mean that its okay to do it like that. like taking all the power from the Parliament by making 1/3 of them punishable by law.
>>60242149
half of their population is civilian polices (or it was turkmenistan. dont remember which one was)
>>60242179
>Or is this place a dictatorship now?
>now
>implying
turey has always been a dictatorship
we gave up on democracy a long time ago, now we just elect the guy that will keep the country most stable
>>60242073
Spain was a dictatorship too not so long ago. Look at them now.
>>60241748
why is he suddenly so popular at westcuck media? we are doing fine and don't need any outsider to intervene with our country.
>le erdoğan is islamist
he is pretending as the entire country. turkey is more secular than ever
we just elect our own dictators democratically
>>60242179
bla bla bla
if any other country was like turkey for a single day they'd call out a state of emergency to get things back into line again
doesn't mean i like erdogan, it's the exact opposite, but obviously you just want to hate on turkey and take erdogan as an excuse
>>60242231
Why do you give up on a democracy? wouldn't it be nice to respect minorities and express your opinions freely in public?
>>60242248
Well Spain is the same Spain. While on the other hand modern republican Turks and Ottoman Turks are almost the opposite of each other.
>>60242295
people do
every state is obligated to protect itself from decay
in germany we also can't express every kind of opinion freely, people are simply brainwashed so hardcore they don't get into conflict with the state a lot
>>60242276
Not at all. I like Turkey a lot. I just dont get why they choose such a stupid leader. I was there on my vacation and loved the people and the country it just seems weird that that kind of people choose Erdogan.
>>60242295
>respect minorities
biggest mistake, k*rds dont even deserve to live
>express your opinions freely in public
we dont have that tradition. noone cares about what others think.
>>60242317
>modern republican Turks and Ottoman Turks
you know +60% of voters would say yes for re-establishing ottoman empire right?
>>60242379
i explained why people seem to like erdogan >>60242107
>>60242358
I dont see thousands of journalist getting arrested and sentenced to jail in Germany. Dont be an idiot.
>>60242295
>respect minorities
when we respect ''minorities'' they start crying about muh genocides and start nagging big brother EU.
>Express your opinions freely in public
you can still express your opinions, just not in public, since you will most likely end up in jail if it doesnt align with the current ruling party.
But look at the nice side of things, you can still publish books and stuff at prison AND unlike 20 years ago, the state wont execute you for it.
>>60242418
Yeah he may offer that but why arent Turks angry about the censorship in their country? Do they only care about security? I mean you can be a good secure leader without being an authoritarian right.
>>60242179
>stupid
>erdoğan
no. he has many bad traits but definetely not an idiot
>>60242295
erdoğan is the by far most pro-minority mp. He has everyone from every background in his party. He gave up to much actually he should take back some of them
>>60242425
Because we are pretty gleichgeschaltet already.
Theres no need to jail anyone when everyone complies.
For example, when I have a discussion with a German he will simply recite everything exactly how he read it in the news and they all seem to get the exact same information.
>>60242149
Lol, Nemtsov is that you? Yamadayev is that you?
>>60242493
Obviously there aren't many options atm.
>>60242493
>Do they only care about security?
when almost the entire world hates you and you stand right next to hell on earth, yes people care more about their security than freedoms.
I dont think a dutch would realize how its like living here though, most people work very hard not for the luxury of going to a foreign country for holiday or anything, but to simply feed themselves at the end of the day.
Everyday is survival here, we dont care about freedom
>>60242493
Turkish culture is prone to recognizing government superiority so nobody cares about that censorship stuff especially if it includes insulting the government.
>>60242496
>not an idiot
he is cringe-god
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQLrRWxAXE8
>most pro-minority
thats why he will be always cuck. you dont negotiate with terrorists
>>60242259
He is in the news a lot because here in Holland he has actually set up a snitch line if people from Turkish backgrounds speak bad about Erdogan. And if they come to Turkey again they will be put in jail.
>>60242138
You're a fucking idiot and Eurogay cocksucker. G W Bush was active conservative guy and was called a crusader. Erdogan is active conservative guy and he's called a caliph. Conchita pls go.
>>60242574
It's not that bad, only if you're without education...
When you got some money Turkey is heaven.
>>60242592
>novemberpaşanın gülü :))
TOP FUCKING KEK
>>60242595
>And if they come to Turkey again they will be put in jail.
epic memes, people are swearing to him here every single day on social media etc and nothing happens. it's just west overexagrating things weirdly, nothing has changed in 7-8 years but suddenly they started to "care" about him a lot. maybe they are using him for to distract people from their incompetence when it comes to refugees?
>>60242633
>says the alamanci that can barely speak turkish
come live here to see for yourself faggot
unemployment is at a all time high, most uni diplomas mean jack sh*t if you dont know any insider people and all of the educated run towards western country's because of it.
I know several engineers/designers who earn the bare minimum to survive at a shitty house with shit food, because there is no jobs for them.
>>60242601
>Eurogay
>Conchita
>yfw an özbek implies youre eurobistan wannabe when youre actually turanist autistic kid
kek, fuck euros. i have plans with you
>>60242574
Maybe your right, survival is more important than freedom in your situation. But the reason a lot of countries dont like Turkey is because they have such an authoritarian leader. It would be much easier for you to join the European Union if you reformed more democratically and being in the EU will certainly give you more wealth better living conditions.
>>60242595
Do you ever see Germans screaming on TV that they want to fuck the Chancellor's mother?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqxgy0mDIBw
This is common stuff in Turkey.
>>60242688
>people are swearing to him here every single day on social media etc and nothing happens
its because they dont have influence on people.
literally chinese style
>>60242728
It is not that bad you are exaggerating too much.
>>60242728
Maybe they also suck at their profession.
>barely speak Turkish
I speak Turkish fine.
>>60242760
>being in the EU will certainly give you more wealth better living conditions.
our komshi says otherwise
if people wish to migrate to EU, so be it.Its easy as hell anyway, especially if you have a diploma.
But joining the EU wouldnt benefit us in anyway, we are constantly strangled in political crisis anyway, EU would just constantly butt in and make matters worse
>>60242779
He probably hasn't been abroad a lot.
>>60242846
They just want to bleed Turkey out.
Theyir current slander is a type of negotiation.
>>60242846
tobehonest, i would neve go to EU because i know its full of cringy niggers like this büyük oyunu gören almancı >>60242792
>>60242906
good lad stay at home.
Outside influences are like heroin to us, addictive and slowly turns you into a idiot
>>60242906
>attacking the messenger
I often find it funny that many Europeans seem to blame Erdogan for their own shitty politics. The best example is Merkel. He sucks up to him to decrease migration instead of enforing Germany's own bounderies.
Erdogan is an asshole, I agree, but if some European leaders are that stupid, then I almost believe his actions are excusable.
>>60242762
this is fucking gold
"GUL BUL GUK ALLAH
ZUK BUK GLU ALI! "
>>60242601
>G W Bush was active conservative guy and was called a crusader.
>"I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
Oh gee I wonder why :^)
>>60241748
We love RTE, we want Sharia and we will kill or deport every Eurocuck cocksucker for the Turkey's bright future. Deal with it. Erdoğan is not dictator for Turkish nation but he is dictator for kemalists, leftards and seperatist kurds.
>>60243111
good thing his fucktard brother cant be president. trump is much more better for mid-east (and rest of world) because he wont send any democracy and freedom soldiers to overseas
>>60243111
>Being taken on a verbal ride
Lel
Then Reagan was Christian Mahdi, right?
Because he's the best choice. The other two alternative parties are extreme leftist Kurds and extreme right communists.
What would you choose?
>>60243175
>we want Sharia
doubted
>>60243251
>What would you choose?
Same thing you chose? Escape!
>>60243192
>believing trump has actually a word on international politics of US
S A F
A
F
>>60243251
>The other two alternative parties are extreme leftist Kurds and extreme right communists.
>extreme right communists
why are almancıs so fucking cringe-lords. you just need to check almancı flags of this thread if you wonder why we dont like them
>>60243175
>Erdoshit isnt a dictator to anyone who isnt me
Unironically gas yourself underage.
>>60243251
>extreme right communists
which party is that?sounds neat
>>60243313
b-but arent they presidental-system ruled, so president of us is like democractic dictator with some senate???
>>60243192
Ebin meme friend.
http://www.lowellsun.com/todaysheadlines/ci_29138451/trump-sends-sparks-flying-worcester
>He said he wants U.S. troops on the ground in Syria, but more importantly, "I want other countries to get on the ground fighting ISIS."
That means you and me friend.
>>60243251
I would like to see a more moderate president. shouldn't be to hard to find between a population of 80 million.
M H P
H
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M H T P
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>>60243303
I don't think Europe can take in another 70 million cockroachfest :^)
>>60243329
>>60243354
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist_Movement_Party
Okay not communists but a ultranationalist neo-fascist party linked to extremist and violent militias isn't the better alternative.
CHP is a meme
>kemalist
lol
>>60243329
Türkleri herkez cok seviyor sanki.
Normal insanin nasil tartistigini izle ve ögren.
>>60243251
>extreme right communists
Who do you mean and what do you mean by communist?
>>60243175
Lel, you know how much your countries economy tourism depends on us eurocuck cocksuckers.
>>60241748
The thing is, opposition is much worse than AKP unfortunately.
>>60243386
but on debate videos he always said that america wasted too many lifes in mid-east and they should never be in iraq etc.??
>>60243402
That's not how the democratic system in Turkey works, nor in entire Middle East.
It's a relative """new""" country after WW1 so it needs some time to stitch things up.
If you're given the choice, people will obviously pick the most central option.
>>60243469
Why is it that there is no reasonable moderate alternative?
>>60243428
this
>>60243428
mhtp?
>>60243471
>but on a debate...
i bet you're also the kid who complaint about cringe worthy people seeing the ''bigger picture''
>b...but on tv they showed...
>>60243441
>daha milliyetçiyle komünza arasındaki farkı söyleyemiyorum ama CHP meme arkadaşlar
Yozgatdaki kahvehanelerde dönüyor bu muhabbet alamancı.Cucklıçdaroğlu inip adam akıllı bir kemalist çıksa CHP eski haline döner
>>60243428
>>60243382
They are ruled by their system something we truly don't have.
>>60243402
Why couldn't we think about this?
>>60243329
>t. triggered CHP k*rd
>>60243471
He's a meme candidate who never really has any final opinion on anything apart from walls and banning people./pol/ likes him for those two and don't give a fuck about anything else.
Tony Abbott was a meme pm too (he had good policies however). But he was a good meme unlike the wall meme man.
This is why populism is cancer.
>>60243515
infiltrated or lack of direction
>>60243251
you can vote for moderate leftists.
like my god how turkish citizens in europe can be this retarded.
>>60243552
>ineceğini imbili
ülkede ironik olmayan bir şekilde parti yok, hüdapar buradan girerse seçime hüdapara atıcam
>Erdogan extends his own presidential powers
>Erdogan makes it legal to prosecute members of parlement that he doesn't like
IS FUR GUD UF STRUNG TURK CUNTRY
>Turkish police attack critical newspaper
>One day later no more criticism comes from newspaper
Turks: TURKEY IS FREE CUNTRY
We've gone to deep into this stupidity /int/
ABORT
>>60243515
CHP is sweden tier cuck party, HDP is literally PKK's puppet in the parliament, MHP is also no good with its current semi-dictator fucktard leader, if MHP can get a new leader, they can be the next big thing i think.
>>60243565
>implying im chp-cuck
>implying im k*rd submonkey
>>60243627
t. hewalos hizbullahi
>>60243559
>>60243551
>>60243690
>to prosecute members of parlement that he doesn't like
damn k*rds are really stupid.
i started loving erdogan when he realized kurds are nothing but bunch of monkeys. muslim turks tend to be more naive on this subject. he thought giving them rights and shit would make them human. i will keep voting him as long as he removes kurds.
>>60243285
>twf k*rd party supporters are as islamic as akp supporters
>twf hate all islamists and believe they should be hanged
>twf hate k*rds too
>twf islamist+k*rd genocide
>>60243690
>Erdogan makes it legal to prosecute members of parlement that he doesn't like
Not really a case of "he doesn't like", parlement members had immunity against the crime accusations. 373 of the 550 voted for.
There are now 667 cases opened and 405 of them against HDP (Kurds) :^)
>>60243828
Isn't Erdogan's wife a Kurd?
>>60243690
>prosecuting literal terrorists
>closing down literal americanist coup d'etatists
please if he was as bad as you ought to make him he would take it all down. Those two are justified more than most of his actions.
>>60243690
Sir your entire country is a corporatist dictatorial scam. I mean you can pay social taxes once and be done with it. Is that true they make you buy health insurance after taxes?
>>60243854
>>60243690
>chant biji serok apo at parliament
>join the funeral of suicide bomber
>get caught while giving them guns and ammo
pretty sure 80% of the country is fine with them getting jailed
>>60243828
>i started loving erdogan when he realized kurds are nothing but bunch of monkeys
When was this?
>>60243902
No she's arab. But hey they're all shitskin so who cares.
>>60243973
Since he was born I guess.
>>60243598
Can you post some Uzbek musicians and tracks you like?
I like Sevara Nazarkhan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wvc4trejno
>>60243816
is this only for mid-asian turkistan(kazak,kirgiz,türkmen,özbek) or does it include azerbaycan, turkey, tatarstan, altay, bashkir, uygur.... etc?
>>60243985
>No she's arab. But hey they're all shitskin so who cares.
So are Turks.
>>60244104
Is he really as anti-kurdish as they say? Can somebody post proof?
>>60243925
The remaining 20 should be hanged.
>>60244193
>anti k*rd
he is cuck. he bombs them because they didnt vote for him last time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpJTc-QsiVw
>>60244193
>anti-kurdish
nah. I remember him saying "Kurdistan" once and everyone in Turkey got butthurt
https://youtu.be/tdNtSEKupxc?t=45
>>60244147
And this is a Turk from China.
We're phenotypically diverse.
>>60244258
nigga get the fuck out. most votes for AKP came from Kurdish areas
>>60244258
Acting like he bombs diyarbakır or something. He literally killing rioters. Doesn't even bomb them but he should
>>60244352
Kürtleri bir yana birakin YETEEEEEEEEEER
Bunu sevmedim, sunu begenmedim, bunu da istemem
EEEEEEH NE ISTIYORSUNUZ
YEETTEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>60244352
you almancı realize what are the meanings of these texts right?
how fucked up is your turkish?
>>60244459
Anani istiyoruz :^)
>>60244424
he is bombing them for gettin nationalist votes in early-election that would happen before bahçeli fucks off
>>60244549
Tekrar ama Türkcesini yazabilirmisin? Türkce ögrenmeme de yardimci olur.
>>60244632
>germany
always kek
>>60244739
>trusting any flags to be accurate on here
>>60244632
''bahçeli siktir olmadan önce erken seçimde milliyetçi oyu almak için bombalıyor''
>>60243816
>Tıklanış
wew
ITT: People unironically defend Erdoğan
>>60244632
>erdoğan mhp'lilerin oyunu almak için sürekli bombalama yapacak
>bahçeli partide son ana kadar kalacak
>erdoğan bu sırada gücü artırmak için erken seçime gidecek
>mhp'liler bahçeli hala mhp'de kadlığı için, ve akp pkkyı "bombaladaığı" için akp ye destek verecek
>akp kendi başına yasa yapacak güce kavuşacak
kendi başına yasa yapabilecek gücü alırsa başkanlık sistemine de geçer sultan
>>60244845
kardeşimi sadece ben döverim olayı. tam tersine çomarın teki gelip reisi yüceltse millet muhalif ulusalcı kesilirdi.
plus it really is annoying when foreigners talk about turkey as if they know ANYTHING about our dynamics. Foreigners include alamancıs by the way.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=830_1453500384
>Turkish soldiers killing Kurds holding up the white flag
Cowardly move desu
>>60244829
>Kalkinma
Wew ;)
>>60245011
öfff
>>60245011
Preemptive stuff is your thing and Turkey is a bit western for us too. But they're Muslim and they shoot when you're guilty and when you are perpetrator unlike Israel or USA
>>60245053
kalktı
>>60245164
It's fucking stupid, they're civilians not even surrendering terrorists or shit.
This is literally warcrime.
>>60245053
kek
>>60245318
They are civilians who are broking rules of war measures. Holding a white piece of clothing doesn't make you immune to reaction for tresspassing.
>>60245318
>civilians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJUD5k2eYuY
>>60245485
What do you mean trespassing? was it a forbidden area?
In that case, wouldn't firing warning shots be more responsible?
Or yelling through a speaker telling them to get the fuck out.
>>60245164
tıklanısh=uyanış/awakening?
>>60245318
All that versus white phosphorus, cassette bombs, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, USA patriot act, apartheid in Israel and most of gun violence in US. I choose Turkish judgement on national security.
>>60244812
>>60244849
sag ol
türkiyenin akili kismi türkcü olmali
chp'yi yeni bir sekile getirmeliler (update gibi bir sey gerekiyor)
>>60245569
stop being cuck. theyre literally terrorist when its night-civilian when its day sub humans
we should make nuclear tests in that region. you just take them if you want them so bad, they would fit with your arabic multiculutralism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbfJbliHWJA
>>60245624
Restoration
>>60245667
I asked a question you dumb cockroach. This is the kind of shit the media is talking about of Turkey oppressing Kurds.
I didn't believe shit because Turkey's expertise is literally genocide so if they wanted to get rid of them they would've done by now.
However those videos seem to prove me wrong and I'm asking why they shot them.
>>60245569
No, considering it is possibly an active area for guerilla warfare. Soldiers should not put themselves to risk for the sake of "civilians" who don't even obey soldier's rule to reestablish order.
>why do people like right-wing nationalist authoritarians?
I wish they wouldn't, but it's not limited just to Turkey.
There is Putin, Orbán, Kaczynski, Trump etc.
Right-wing populism is a very dangerous world-wide phenomenon.
>>60245667
>2:20
kek
>>60245789
My point still stands
>yell through a speaker telling them to get the fuck out
>shoot warning shots
>if they still don't obey, shoot to kill
>>60245895
t. Russian pilot on super sonic front bomber in Turkish airspace
>>60245848
akp and erdoğan are not nationalist. Fighting kurds/minorities do not make a government nationalist. Nationalism is a principle/ideology, and Akp/Erdoğan literally consider it an enemy.
>>60246060
kek
>>60246060
:^) it wasn't a super sonic bomber and nor was it armed by the way
what happened to rules of engagement?
>>60246146
>what happened to rules of engagement?
it was changed as "shot anything comes from that shithole" when syria shot down our plane
>>60245895
Honestly there is almost no civilians in those tiny provinces where PKK starts war. When they realize they cant win they get out of buildings from the back doors then dress up with clean dresses pick up a white flag and try to escape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3pLa0r1BUw
Look at that video where 42 terrorist surrenders. A stranger wouldn't know if they are civilian or a terrorist.
>>60246146
Literally changed one year ago before that when Syria shot down one of our training planes
>>60246193
lel you wouldn't do that if it was an American plane
>>60246205
probably staged like this one lol
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dd2_1464640135
>>60246285
probably because we are both members of the same pact, eh?
>>60246334
so it's actually staged if you put the word staged in front of it ?
>>60246344
>it was changed as "shot anything comes from that shithole"
>expect when it's American ofcourse lol
which means you don't "shoot anything coming from that shithole". I would've considered acceptable if it was a Syrian plane but a Russian didn't form any threat to you
>>60246334
>they are literally surrendering and getting asked to keep their positions
>it's staged
uhm
>>60246334
you know they are just arranging them, right?
The guy at the beginning literally says that he/she is "losing blood" (bleeding as in dangerously).
>>60246428
i don't know anything about the other side of the discussion and i am not part of the discussion, i am just telling you why we wouldn't shoot our greatest ally. Isn't too logical
>>60246146
Picrelated is the jet. It is what I said it was. Rules are simple - you don't need to trespass, be where you're not supposed to be, especially in a supersonic bomber.
>>60246566
>Rules are simple - you don't need to trespass, be where you're not supposed to be, especially in a supersonic bomber.
You know, if you changed your rules of engagement to "fuck everything up that crosses our border" that's fine.
What I'm saying is that that was >not< the case. Because would it have been an American or another non-shithole plane you wouldn't have shot it down.
It seemed more like showing your balls situation than an actual threat.
>>60246650
>If it was NATO plane
>Non Shithole plane
>Change law to shoot everything everywhere
I call it stunning defeat for me in this debate. Stay classy Dirk
>>60246285
nato planes cant hit another nato plane because it was programmed in that way
>>60246792
get the fuck out m8 :^)
>>60246650
what are you not understanding here? An EU country would not shoot down another EU plane, but could very well shoot down a Turkish or Russian plane, if conditions are met. Armenians wouldn't shoot CIS plane but they would shoot a Turkish or Iran plane. Are you dim?
>>60246829
Why is Russia a threat?
>Inb4 dur they support assad
No mahmut that's not a threat
>>60246650
As you can heard the plane had been warned multiple times too. I don't know what are u implying here.
>>60246873
Who said it had to be a threat?
okay, look:
>Any plane who tresspasses our borders will be shot
t. Turkey
Then, (or before) Turkey makes a pact with USA or Greece, agreeing that they would allow each other in their airspaces.
So Turkey shoots down the Kazakhstani (be it a threat or not) plane, but does not shoot the Greek one, becase they had agreed that they would not.
>talk about Erdogan
>turks crawl out of their holes
>"H-HURR!!! IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHY DO YOU CARE!!!!!!!"
Why do they do this?
>>60246953
Possibly, but I thought Russia was Turkey's ally. You guys invested in a multi billion dollar gas pipe project.
And poking the big bear isn't really the neatest idea either.
>>60247024
>talk about german cuckery
>cucks crawl out of their holes
>YOU ARE JUST AS KEKED Ha-ha! :^D
Why do they do this?
>talk about american obesity
>they can't crawl out of their holes
>USA USA USA WE ARE FREE TO BE FAT u jELLY YuROPoORS?
Why do they do this?
Do you understand now? Or do you need more examples?
>>60247033
Nobody was talking about the "what should have been done" aspect of the situation. I am just explaining how national/international rules apply differently to your allies and other countries.
>>60246650
Look up what a military IFF transponder is. All American and Turkish planes (and all NATO) are constantly broadcasting encrypted signals to each other that let each other know that they are friendly.
Russia repeatedly violates other countries' airspace by flying military aircraft with their transponder turned off so there is no way of telling who they are or their intentions.
>>60247024
haha look mom memes xd
>>60247305
That makes sense, thanks
>>60246334
Why you fuckers mute the video?
https://twitter.com/tuncaogreten/status/737274291146919936
>>60247660
>adalate gelsin
Wew :D
What is just is extermination :)
>>60246334
so throughout the whole thread people were arguing with a kurd who now starts presenting real events as ''staged''?
This is fucking annoying.
>>60243920
Lel, yes we do and its a great system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_health_consumer_index our healthcare system is ranked number 1 in the Europe.
>>60247236
>Do you understand now? Or do you need more examples?
So you're just retarded? Sure
>>60241954
this
couldn't say it better
pic related is turkey before and after erdogan
islam
>>60243697
wtf
>>60250373
wtf i love erdogan now
>>60251266
>>60251318
No, dont start on this
>>60251266
>>60251318
um... is that a child?
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Where would we be without Poland?
>>60241748
Because Turkey has more than 15 active terror organisations within and outside its borders
A shit load of historic and current enemies
Having a weak president is even worse than not having one with strength
With strength comes great criticisms
Also i voted on the opposition part CHP
>>60243828
Explain to me once and for all why do Turks hate Kurds so much? You are the same kind of kebab, genociding together during ww1, gay for islam and looking subhuman. I guess Kurds are a bit poorer and speak a different language, but that's about it, it's not their fault that a nation of 30 million was denied having an own country and the biggest chunk of them got stuck inside Turkish borders.
>>60243251
>extreme right communists
Fucking retard.
>>60245011
We don't even see who is shooting video is fucking cutted
>>60241748
Mostly the Putin paradigm.
Better than the alternatives.
Still shitty though.
>>60242499
But isn't it like this in each and every western european country?
>>60254662
>Explain to me once and for all why do Turks hate Kurds so much?
Turks hate seperatist Kurds. A big chunk of them are islamist and vote for Erdogan.
>I guess Kurds are a bit poorer and speak a different language
They have a different culture which includes prevalency of child marriage, honor killings, FGM etc..
>it's not their fault that a nation of 30 million
They were not 30 million in that time dumbass. They breed like rats. There were like what, 1.5 million kurdsi n 1923 in Turkey? There are 15 million today.
>was denied having an own country and the biggest chunk of them got stuck inside Turkish borders.
Its the Turks who got stuck with them, its just that Turks are too dumb to be educated and fix the problem.
>>60256394
>Its the Turks who got stuck with them, its just that Turks are too dumb to be educated and fix the problem.
I don't understand why Turks deal with the problem instead of saying "OK here's your shitty clay, now get the fuck out"
>>60256613
Governments never care, they use the seperatist movement for their own benefits. An ideal case is giving a small land in the south east and deporting all K*rds. Hell, even some ultra nationalists are starting to like the idea of giving away a bit of land in favor of removing all the K*rds (there are millions of them living in west Turkey having their own ghettos).
Like i said just too dumb, meanwhile they keep reproducing and taking over more and more land. Its the Turks their own fault, they keep going "muh islamic brotherhood" "muh land who we shed blood for", but in a couple decades their own grand children will be getting slaughtered by K*rds. As long as they can feel good about them not giving in its fine. I foresee a situation like the whites in South africa in large areas of Turkey.
>>60256613
If we do then we will need to deport all kurds there and of course we cant do that if any kurd want anything people will chimp out and say him to go kurdistan and this areas has geopolitic importance
>>60256909
If anyone believes the lies of the politicians about ''WE WUZ CONQUERING WITH OUR ANCESTORS' BLOOD AND SHEEEIT'', they're pretty much idiots. It's all about the strategic importance of the area. US has no reason to have an alliance with Turkey. Only the border with Iraq is important. We're already at odds with a lot of NATO countries, some of them our neighbours, and can't afford to alienate the biggest/strongest military in the alliance.
Also the area is necessary for oil. I doubt if the new Kurdish state would allow a pipeline going from Iraq through their border into Turkey. We'd need to look elsewhere.
And it's important for the water resources as well. There are a shit ton of dams in the Euphrates area. Losing those or putting them at the border of an enemy state is a major risk.
>>60257582
Deals could be made with iraq>iran to export oil trough that. The KRG right now is making a deal with Iran to export their oil trough them instead of Turkey. You also have the azeris, Russia, Israel..
I agree with the water part.
That said, no amount of strategic importance is enough to justify what the Turkish people have to deal with.
>>60257752
I don't know about Iran either, they're pretty much pissed at us. Turkish Stream project with Russia is also on hold at the moment. If the state of uncertainty goes long enough, I fear it might even be cancelled. I heard somewhere Russians were making deals with the Bulgarians instead to export oil to Europe under the Black Sea.
Sure, we'll always have the pipeline with Azerbaijan and Georgia but it's just not enough.
Also you have to consider the fact that the area we'd give has some amount of oil in it as well. We just started extracting it but there's a lot more to be found.
There are a lot more reasons as well. Such as the GAP project. Billions have been spent on the region already. Giving it away would be a huge waste.
>That said, no amount of strategic importance is enough to justify what the Turkish people have to deal with.
Yes, I agree. But the international politics sadly doesn't care about that.
>>60241748
What do you think nigger
60% of Dutch Turks voted for him in the last elections
>>60258194
>export oil
Sorry, Turkish Stream is about gas, not oil. Bad example.
And we're trying to get that from Turkmenistan now, to my knowledge.
>>60258194
I understand but most of them are recent problems. I know this will never happen but you can easily fix the problems with Iran if you support assad (that said, i personally dont really like Iran, but whatever). Apologize for the plane thing, i dont think im wrong if i say Putin would want to start being friendly again.
Also, the pipeline with Russia is more in favor for Russia. Its not so important for Turkey, Russia loses more with it if they dont get it.
Billions have been spent on the region but for what? They will ruin it anyway. These niggers think the dams are being built for anti k*rdish regions. They get free electricity, they dont have to pay taxes...
IMO the positives about getting rid of k*rds still outweigh the negatives. Its hilarious how people say they shed blood for the land but dont mind it being more and more encompassed by k*rds every day.
>>60258536
Well, I do support Assad in the conflict and I think the shooting of the plane was a major mistake. However, the current government will never adopt these positions. And I don't like Iran in the region either. I'd prefer if Turkey got closer to Israel instead.
>pipeline with Russia is more in favor of Russia
It would have boosted the Turkish economy by a shit ton. Because Turkey would be the bridge to Europe in terms of gas exports.
About GAP; billions have been spent so the area would become arable. And a side goal would be to raise the economic worth of the area and stop the people from moving to the West. The project still continues. And yes, they will ruin it if they get a hold of it. The new Kurdish state would have nothing when it comes to money. Oil money from Mosul isn't enough to support the entire country.
I'd love to get rid of them as well. But under these economic and political situations, it's simply not possible. I'd advocate killing them all and replacing them with Armenians in the area even. Kurds were the ones in the army forces that slaughtered entire Armenian villages anyway. Armenians would return back home. However, it's entirely possible they'd demand independence in the region as well so there's no clear solution on my perspective.
>>60241954
/thread
>>60259079
What you have now is Kurds who keep breeding and taking over more land. They also keep migrating to west turkey. This all when the west and everyone acts like Turks are genociding them. Its all bullshit. The current status quo is far from ideal. Someone needs to stand up in Turkey and fix it. I honestly dont give a shit about the billions spent on the area, its better to cut your losses now. I also dont care about the potential oil there. Oil makes a country lazy anyway. And you are over estimating the boost it would give to the turkish economy, the pipeline.
>>60259079
Wait a minute, did I just hear a confession???
Btw, how much of the areas where kurds live today used to be Armenian populated lands?
>>60260487
I never denied Armenian genocide/massacre/slaughter whatever you wanna call it.
Nearly all of it. Armenians were once majority all the way to Tarsus. But they never had any majority in the Black Sea coasts so the plan for a new state for them after WW1 is flawed.
>>60260861
Wow, this puts things in context tho, it's like Trianon, but worse.
>>60261343
Nothing is worse than Trianon.
Turks have a point you know
>>60261471
Kek, so true
