Colombia should have stayed as it was or even bigger with Peru and Bolivia annexed
>prove me wrong
>>60125916
When you assemble several little shits, it makes a bigger pile but it's still shit.
We can barely hold together the land we have. There's no way we could have governed more.
Having mountains is a bitch.
>prove me wrong
Impossible to prove you wrong m8, it's true.
> even bigger with Peru and Bolivia annexed
Sorry, but Peru and Bolivia are others cultures and people, you're very different with them t.b.h
>>60126131
>>60126143
There's something called federation
>>60126143
Pic related
>>60126198
maybe you should join
>>60126193
True. A federation would have made the country more governable. But I think in the end the country would have fractured the same as a federation.
>>60126398
well "la guerra de los mil días" and the constant civil wars would probably have done that and it actually did, look at my country
>>60126143
They speak the same language, I don't know what's the difference between a South American country from another.
What are Latino-Hispanic cultures ?
>>60128115
Think about each latino country as a canadian province. Each has its own culture even though they share the same language (except quebec and the aboriginal territories).
>>60125916
Parts of northern Peru, the nicaraguan and costa rican coast were also part of Gran Colombia. This definitely would've been a great country senpai
>>60126516
wasnt panama literary invented by yanquis because colombians wouldnt give clay for the canal?
>>60128415
yes, but this is one of the reasons, its not just only that reason
>>60125916
Personnaly, I would leave Peru and Bolivia out of the union.
>>60128115
Lel no, we have language in common and some sense of brotherhood. But there are different cultures, Caribbean, Andean. Southern Cone + Paraguay + South Br are pretty different from North-Center LatAm.
>>60126040
> implying these countries are shit
lmao. Any personal experiences in these countries you wanna share?
>>60125916
thats a big country
>>60128721
>Caribbean, Andean. Southern Cone + Paraguay + South Br
You can make a summary about these cultures ?
>>60128913
Arrogancia y fuerza
>>60128826
jajajajaja buena Spain-sama
>>60129022
what did you expect
>>60125916
>colombia
>lost Panama
just a shitty, pathetic, helpless "nation" fucked by murrican afro-niggers
>>60129051
Spain?
>>60129022
Arrogancia y Fuerza = Picardia
Also, no spicy food, really strong ties to southern europe culture (native CULTURAL influence was really really small outside Paraguay, and mate is the only "native" food that got popular), more humanist and less religion centered cultures, big influence of non-spanish migration. Social position in more important than Money so education is more important than working.
>>60129114
I have a lot of respect to Rusia they live between a lot of other cultures
>>60125916
What would be the situation in Venezuela today if they were still part of Gran col?
>>60129127
Yo a la derecha
>>60129182
its kinda hard to tell, but i think it would be a LOT better
>>60129158
No spicy food here either m8.
>>60129172
you, Panama, live, while the Man in the White house wants you to live.
pathetic...
no fleet... no army... no aviation
>>60129224
those are the mexicans
>>60129224
But you have weird corn based food. Also that.
Wheat is more important in the southern cone.
>>60129275
ikr, that's why i hate USA and have a lot of respect to Russia, they were the closest ones to beat that imperialist scum
by why are all of you fucked by murrikan afro-niggers?
are you so weak? can't you defend yourself?
you pay taxes to support murrikan transit through Panama-channel lol
>>60129316
like arepas, but i love them ewe
>>60129419
seems legit
>>60129022
this afaik (don't know much about the North part)
Venezuela, Caribbean + Andean
Colombia, similar but more Andean
Ecuador, kinda similar
Perú, Andean, but the coastal is different
Bolivia: Andean, but the east have similarities with Paraguay and N. Arg
Chile, Southern cone, some similarities with Perú in the North, the "core culture" it's the Central Valley.
Argentina. The core culture it's from the center-east (pampean, with gauchos and stuff), Same for Uruguay and south Br. But we have some things in common with Chile and not with the rest. The NW it's a mix of this and andean.
Paraguay, their own thing, with stuff in common with Br and Arg.
Pic related an accents map , but describes Arg pretty well, "rioplatense-patagonia" part has more than the 80% of population.
>>60129431
1 kilo of corn flour is like $6 here. But Carritos of Arepas are starting to get popular anyway, they are considered "exotic" food.
>>60129533
I've seen that map before.
>>60129316
You're somewhat right. We eat arepas (white corn based), but also a lor of wheat bread (from wheat).
I'd say bread is more common than arepas, sadly :(
>>60129599
wtf even a kid knows how to do them, its as hard as making spaghetti
>>60129599
maybe they are those venezuelan inmigrants that are scaping from maduro and the ghost of chavez
i see that a lot here
>>60129533
Also the southern cone use words from Peru, like Palta
I think overall this reflects the closer "groups". Former gran colombia, brazil, peru-bolivia, platinean nations, and us. We kinda share influences with both Andean and Platinean ones but still keep to our own so no one predominates. Specially since we have neither as much native influence as andean nor european influence as platinean. South brazil is of course heavily platinean influenced and paraguay is platinean+native stuff.
>>60129694
Right. I've seen lots of venezuelan arepas lately over here. They stuff them with avocado and chicken, we eat them plain with butter and salt and maybe beans and pork on the side.
>>60129698
Looks like Peru was pretty influential for Arg and Chile during the colony, we have lots of quechua words like choclo and others without having Quechuas living here.
>>60129744
yeah! I have a venezuelan uncle she makes it with frijoles and queso! delicious
>>60129834
God-tier. What's the national dish in panama?
>>60129802
Same here. In fact we have way more quechua words than words from the local natives. I don't mind quechua sounds funny.
>>60130051
Give us some examples. I've heard polola and cachai. Are those quechua?
>>60129924
sancocho, it is a type of soup
>>60128721
>Southern Cone + Paraguay
srly m8?
>>60130109
We have that too. Fucking delicious.
>>60130241
I have never met a guy from paraguay in real life
>>60130241
To be fair, he also put south brazil separately
>>60130091
No.
Cancha, choclo, chamullo...
those are quechua
Cachai es un agnlicismo de "catch it" con conjugación chilena de "cachas", polola no tengo idea
>>60130091
Cachai is loan from english "to catch".
The mapuches had a name for the flies "piulliu", spaniards thought it was the word for any bug flying around and name Pic related "pololo". Pololear was like "messing around" in a informal way with a girl. So while the word does have a past related to natives, it wasnt really a native word.
>>60130298
WHAT i feel like i dont have an independent culture now
>>60130051
>>60129802
Peru was the grand daddy of us all back in the colony, thats why they didn't want freedom from spain
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virreinato_del_Per%C3%BA
>>60130241
Most times Southern Cone it's used for Chile, Argentina and Uruguay for being the southern tip of the continent, sometimes people include Paraguay and even South Brasil for cultural similarities, dunno what's the right use if exists one desu
>>60130311
We also have mestizaje maligno like you so not much difference between our people
>>60129742
>Leaving us alone
Well fuck you too.
>>60130241
Paraguay is some cultural clusterfuck, brazilian influence is very strong but so is argentinian and native.
It's pretty unique actually.
>>60130386
I think there are some islands in the caribbean that eat it too. It's also common in venezuela and maybe in peru, but I'm not completely sure.
>>60130449
Being huge and speaking a different language makes you kinda different
>>60130539
J-Just wanna be friends...
>>60130449
This. I want to join with the Brazilians qts desu
>>60129742
I always thought paraguay was more andean along with Ecuador
>>60128826
>>60130518
oh nice
>>60130560
Truly our greatest ally.
>>60130566
Andean (as in Peru and Bolivia) tends towards quechua and aymara influence, while Paraguay is guarani and as far as I know they speak kinda similar to rioplatense. Ecuador was part of Gran Colombia but of course it borders Peru.
>>60130409
I really doubt we are similar tbqh
>>60130360
Paco it's also quechua
Flaite it's also from the english.
But yeah, very few local words are TRULY from local indeans.
Isn't trucho from Argentina?
>>60130566
>Andean
>Doesn't even reach the Andes
>>60130602
imagine a federation between all latinoamerica
>>60130648
Cahuin comes to mind, and placenames of course.
Someone here dabbled in pre-Hispanic languages? Had no luck with los MexicANOS.
Seria magnifico si alguien puede. Vamos, no seais timidos, hermANOS...
>>60130712
pls god no
Great Colombia was Bolivar's caprice and nothing else. It only existed to please his megalomaniac personality. After his death, the 3 territories returned to be separate entities, as they always were.
>>60130648
>Isn't trucho from Argentina?
apparently, and pretty recent
http://barrapunto.com/journal.pl?op=display&id=20071&uid=12751
You guys also borrowed "mina" for chick
some provinces here use "huevon" dunno if they take it from Chile
>>60130392
What about the viceroyalty of New granada and the viceroyalty of the rio de la Plata?
>>60130834
In Chile they use mina as well?
I thought that was lunfardo 100%
>>60130487
I liek ParaGuay. Do you liek Paraguai?
>>60130868
Yep, and a lot.
>>60130722
Yeah! cahuin!, but that's like the more important word, the name of places isnt really that important, a lot of placed were RENAMED after independence, to use "native names" as a sign of independence, it's the same reason many ships had indian names.
Places named after Saints got new names. I actually don't mind, since you can't have 20 cities named "san jose".
>>60130868
It its pure lunfardo actually the word came from some lombard dialect.
>>60130566
Paraguay doesn't have any andean influence, the more culturally similar to Argentinians and Brazilians. Some of them are bilingual in either spanish-guarani or spanish-portuguese
>>60130241
You don't need any "Cones". Paraguay and Croatia. Now that needs to happen
Croaguay
Yup, La Gran Colombia didnt work because it was such a big territory for it to have a stable government at the time plus the internal struggles between Simon Bolivar and his disloyal officers, plus the more stupid struggles to come, does anyone see a chance for our countries to unite again?
>>60131021
I don't think so. Nationalism is very strong in Venezuela, Ecuador and Panama to even consider rejoining us.
It'd be to be done Putin style, by invading them and going to war or some shit, but that'd be counterproductive and futile.
>>60130977
Do you guys have a fuckton of places with -co and -hue like here? the other common mapuche stuff that comes to mind now are "mahuida" "-leufú" "-lafquen" and "huapi"
>>60130834
We (chilean countryside here) call cuyanos "weones".
Suckers need not apply. Get Panama back and we are good to go.
Venezuela will remain a clusterfuck for decades. If there is anything worse than illegal refugees those are legal refugees.
Ecuador is just... You know, Ecuador. We can be friends, yeah, but not a single nation.
>>60131015
Holy shit it will be glorious af
>>60131183
Cuyanos sound alien as fuck for a Patagonian like me for some reason, close to chilean but something different, and we're used to hear chileans.
>>60131125
Yes, all in the south.
>>60131021
The reason the southern cone doesnt exist is that Peru and Spain didnt wanted a bi-oceanic country in the southern cone. We actually tried before independence.
>>60131268
They were part of chile until 1785.
Also, do you live?
>>60131332
>>60131268
where do you live*
>>60131284
Even Bolivia (alto Perú back then) wanted to escape from Peru because Lima was fucking them economically.
>>60131332
Río Negro Neuquén, mas o menos a la altura de Temuco
>>60131246
All additional clay is welcomed so why reject Ecuador. Venezuela would be a freaking thriving paradise under a non-commie government like Panama's or ours. Though you're right about the fact it'll take them decades to come back to normal.
>>60131271
>>60131125
Not only in the south, here in O'higgins at least Doñihue, Coltauco, Coinco, Marchihue are examples. And of course Rancagua, Codegua and Pichilemu are mapuche too
why are some people so obsessed with forcing this "southern cone" meme? "southern" cone countries have almost nothing in common that they don't share with many other countries in the world.
>>60131396
>mapuche
No, they are MAPUDUNGUN, not mapuches. Mapuches never lived in that region.
>>60131381
Es muy raro como ustedes consideran que la "Patagonia" empieza tan al norte. Para nosotros nada al norte de Chiloé (algo así como a la altura de Rawson) es parte de la patagonia.
>>60131420
Hey look, its the butthurt colombian.
>>60131420
They're similar bro. Argentina and Uruguay are virtually undistinguisable. Chile is slightly different but still shares a lot with them.
>>60131441
You know what I mean, also most are slightly varied from the original so no true mapudungun. Mapuche however can mean all of the Mapudungun speaking peoples, not just modern Huilliches.
>>60129744
>They stuff them with avocado and chicken
Reina pepiada
>>60131444
Es que históricamente de este lado el límite entre Patagonia y Cuyo-Pampa fue el Río Colorado, el oeste de la provincia de la Pampa tambien tuvo una historia bastante ligada. Del lado chileno el centro-sur, Araucanía y Chiloé tiene sus diferencias aparentemente.
>>60131500
> Chile is slightly different but still shares a lot with them.
such as?
>>60131420
We just lack the vision Simon Bolivar had, with the current events it seems to be something even further from our ambitions
>>60131500
>Argentina and Uruguay are virtually undistinguisable.
Wrong. We use bo and call sports shoes "championes"
>>60131015
Let's decide some eastern european brothers of latin americans
Paraguay + Croatia
Peru + Bosnia
Bolivia + Albania
Colombia + Serbia
Panama + Kosovo
Ecuador + Macedonia
Brazil + Poland
What else?
>>60131681
Bolivia= Romania
>>60131681
fuck off.
>>60131552
That sounds delicious. I need to try them.
>>60131576
Gaucho culture.
>>60131600
>"championes"
Kek, i actually remember kids in my city doing that in the 90's. But we also called Jeans "pecos bill".
>>60131979
The first important brand of trainers that reached Uruguay was Champions, so it lead to every sports shoes being called championes.
>Bo, se me rompió el champión.
>>60131924
What the fuck is going on here
>>60131921
vaquero culture exists all over the Americas. in Colombia is the Llaneros; in Mexico, rancheros, etc.
>>60129158
> Also, no spicy food
true for any other country other than Mexico.
>really strong ties to southern europe culture (native CULTURAL influence was really really small outside Paraguay, and mate is the only "native" food that got popular)
such as? even tango has African influence.
>more humanist and less religion centered cultures
Colombian laws are much less religion centered than Chile's.
>big influence of non-spanish migration.
so does Venezuela, parts of Mexico, Costa Rica, parts of Central/Northeastern Brazil, Peru and Panama (chinks), and other countries, even Colombia (Syrian-Lebanese).
>>60130566
Ecuador is andean but Paraguaya doesnt even reach the andean mountain chain. Try again
>>60131259
>>60131681
Gracias por el (Tu)..ehh me empezaba a desesperar
Who would be the Croatia of LatAm....
>>60132126
No fucking idea man. But it's true. every region here has its own accent and unique words.
>>60132126
there's basically two accents in Colombia: Caribbean one and Inland one. Some autists here like to think that there's a lot more different accents in Colombia, unlike other countries, and that foreigners can distinguish them. I've spoken to people from Venezuela and Peru (two bordering countries) and not even them can distinguish among different Colombian accents, to them, it all sounds the same. If anything, some of them can distinguish Paisa accent.
Wasn't Bolivar the main problem
>>60132348
that's true for any country, even small ones. anyone will tell you that their country has 1000 accents depending on the city/social class/region. Foreigners can't tell these small differences.
>>60132343
you need to ask? it's obviously paraguay, look at their flag m8 kek
>>60129158
>big influence of non-spanish migration.
Literally every country in South America, with maybe Bolivia as an exception (even then, they still had migration).
>Brazil: Portugese, Italian, German, Balkans, Polish, Japanese, Chinese
>Peru: Japanese, Chinese
>Venezuela: Italian, Chinese, Arab, Jew
>Colombia: Arab
>Paraguay: Chinese
>Argentina/Uruguay: Obvious
adding to >>60132178 cristian's post
>>60132348
>Zulia/Maracucho accent
literal cancer
>>60132501
There's a few accents
>Caraqueño/Central
>Gocho (Tachira)
>Dialecto de Lara (literally boricua where they slur)
>Llanero
There's probably more.
Here's an example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP129zZuZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmCRIPcGTHE
>>60132527
no
>>60132559
But were they, sabes...LOS REYES and mierda? This is muy importante to answer
>>60132554
Why are you so angry at life? Chill down man.
>>60132501
i only ever heard the paisan accent. I suppose because here in Ecuador are two distinct accents (the coastal and the andean) it isnt hard for me to think that the same happens in colombia. I just dont know how those colombian accents are aside from the paisan
>>60132675
> there are some bolivians of ukarinian and german descent, especially in south-eastern bolivia.
>>60132675
I read that he just horded power and pissed off people in Caracas
>>60132696
They tried to go full Napoleon and declared war to three different countries at the same time
does that help?
>>60132675
>Zulia/Maracucho accent
They sound like our subhuman costeños, are they the subhumans of venezuela?
>Gocho (Tachira)
They talk exactly like people from cucuta
>>60132697
tienes problemas serios de autoestima por lo visto.
>>60132700
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70uY62JhNyE
>>60132831
>They sound like our subhuman costeños, are they the subhumans of venezuela?
Yes, although they're on par with chavista supporters.
>>60132675
He have taiwanese people not from mainland China
Also we have many germans here (not even joking)
>>60132777
No, no, yo sé eso, pero pregunto for pre-Republican era
>>60132853
jaajaj... a mi me parece que es al reves bro. Te noto demasiado enojado con la vida.
>>60133014
Suicídate, Jamundí.
>>60132861
Thanks a lot, that was veri informative.
The pasto accent is very similar to some andean accent here, (whose speakers are also sometimes called pastuzos)
>>60133051
arr sound (more or less) the same, don't they?
Imagine all that cocaine..
>>60126193
Didn't work for the FRCA
>>60132501
Come the fuck on, now you're gonna tell me pastuso accent is even remotely similar to rolo? or llanero and caleño?
>>60133190
the what?
>>60133110
tenía que ser venezolano
>>60131924
source?
I can't find this map but I like it
>>60135186
They are very similar, linguistically speaking
>>60137348
You should fill up brazil with your dialects
