Are far rights really so popular in Europe or is it only on int?
If it was then Europe would still be 98% white
>>59869509
>only on int
int? i hope you meant pol. It all depends on what do you understand under far right. In general not
>>59869529
Why? Most of immigrants moved to Europe in 60s-90s, their laws are pretty strict now. I am talking about now, not 70s.
>>59869529
finland is 98% white.
No.
And for the record, I'd rather be called a racist redneck than have my daughter raped by obese muslims in a sex gang that goes unnoticed for 10+ years due to not wanting to be racist.
>>59869790
Hmm, I see they were popular in 90s in many countries. Why so?
Under far right I mean people like Trump, Le Pen, that guy from Austria who has losen elections recently, your current government (PIS as far as I remember) etc etc.
Pol is the different case, I don't think many Europeans fall for racial theories, Jewish conspiracy and shit. I am not talking about really radical organizations like Britain First or PEGIDA. I talk about more or less reasonable politicians.
>>59869883
>far right I mean people like Trump,
lol
>>59869861
>REEEEEE
Okay, okay. I am asking seriously.
It depends on how you define far right. A leftist liberal cuck in Russia might be be more racist than a nationalist in Sweden. And gay marriage adoption is also a country specific thing.
Overall, I would say yes. The people who voted in the leftist are now voting in the far right. Cause it is the new counter culture. Evalion is a perfect example. A We Cam Model who stopped showing her pussy for cash. What she did instead was being /pol on YouTube. Saying racist things and hating on Jews, Muslims and so on. So beta orbiter would give her money.
In 20 years /pol will be leftist, cause the pendelum will swing.
>>59869910
you realize Trump's biggest issue getting the nomination is that he was too moderate on most issues, right?
he's a new yorker.
>>59869895
Of course he is not a nazi but he is very right wing from economy issues to cultural.
>>59869803
Finland isn't European.
>>59869797
What? Try to be coherent you ugly stupid slut.
>>59869917
quoted wrong(probably same) rooskie
meant >>59869883
>>59869934
>but he is very right wing from economy issues to cultural
>protectionism
>non-interventionism
>right-wing
please be a proxy
>>59869917
Yes and no, pretty far right on some issues but he wasn't an establishment warhawk candidate or an evangelical which made some Neocons buttmad. He also called the war in Iraq a mistake on national television during the debate and individually insulted the hosts of the right wing media Fox News. The guy is a marketing genius.
>>59869883
>>59869910
>>59869934
there's an entire movement dedicated to neocons who plan on voting for hillary over trump dude
those are your "far-right" people
>>59869883
well polish rulling party PIS is literally a NatSoc witout nazi connotations. So its really hard to tell what far right means now. The old division between left and right is out of date now. Every party needs to be socialistic in some way. If you mean opinions on immigrations and islam i would say that pretty much western europe is left. New members of EU like poland remained right thou.
>>59869917
Building a wall is not enough, lol? You would like to nuke Mexico, wouldn't you?
>>59869916
Well, our liberals rarely discuss culture, they are more about economy. Identity politics are promoted by our government, and our opposition speak more about economy, corruption etc. The only identity thing they are about is lgbt rights.
Would be funny to see leftypol overtaking pol. I hate people without hard political convinces though. Never understood "I will always be against" people who vote for any antisystem party.
>>59870010
far-right people are the ones supporting trump you fucking dipshit
nevertrumps are just center right neocons
>>59870056
>center right
>neocon
my sides are in orbit
>>59870045
>protecting your borders makes you a far righter fascist
I want off this planet
>trump
>far right
jesus christ this thread
this is trump's political compass from ontheissues.com
it's calculated from his stance on well, all his issues, everything is fully cited/sourced.
(1/2)
>>59870129
...and THIS is ted cruz.
>>59869975
There's more to right wing ideology than neoliberalism you dumbass. Non intervemtionism, radical leadership, protectionsim of trade, and racism basically define Franco, whom was a fascist. Next are you going to argue that fascism isn't a right wing movement?
>>59870144
this is the republican platform's overall standing.
>>59869861
You do know girls with parents like this go out of their way to ride every brown dick they can find, right?
http://www.zerocensorship.com/t/uncensored-hillary-clinton/257325-hillary-clinton-pac-spends-1-million-to-combat-users-on-reddit-and-facebook
>>59869975
right wing =/= lolbertarian
Trump is a paleoconservative.
>>59870043
>NatSoc
Are they seriously speaking about racial purity and shit?
>If you mean opinions on immigrations and islam
Right/left division is way more complicated. Also isn't the western Europe xenophobic too now? I mean, look at all this right parties gaining support.
>>59869975
It's a classic 19th century conservatism economy model. Protectionism combined with free trade and lack of government control inside the state.
>>59870267
>Protectionism combined with free trade
this thread is amazing
>>59870284
>free trade inside the country
Are you unable to read the whole sentence?
>>59870284
Respond to me pls
>>59870163
>>59870229
>Are they seriously speaking about racial purity and shit?
I said no nazi connotation so only national socialists without any race war issues. In poland being nationalistic means being white and christian thou. Due to wwii german style nazi/fasci movements are nonexistent. You probably have that same kind of people in Russia. You would call it patriotic solidarity if you dont want to use natsoc term.
> I mean, look at all this right parties gaining support.
It general its just a trend and not a real power. Just look at the image I posted above.
>>59870163
Franco did not have protectionism" it was autarky — and it generally wasn't out of choice. They were largely ostracized after WW2, and slowly clawed their way back to a free market economy.
look up the spanish miracle, m8
>Franco
>racist
...what?
>>59869883
My guess is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_War
It was pretty damn terrible.
Like, you probably think "those were just muslims!"
But that's a heartless POV really.
Religious extermism isn't a joke.
https://desustorage.org/r9k/thread/28318351/#28321262
>>59869509
>Are far rights really so popular in Europe or is it only on int?
Well not as popular as on int but opinion polls here say that SD (our anti-immigration party which nazi's align to because they're obviously the closest match, even if as a party their policies aren't that extreme) say that SD is getting 20%+ right now.
Will probably not be the case when the election comes around because then I'm sure there's other parties that will adopt part of the policies. There's tons of ways to angle it so it seems more humanitarian (because it is). Currently SD is giving the most support to foreign aid for the refugee crisis. Other political parties could do that and have a much larger impact on the situation than accepting refugees.
So that's probably where we're swinging to. But I'm pretty pissed with our population. They won't see this until it becomes official policy.
And I suspect we will have more terrorism per capita here than any other country. Europol seems to point to that.
But I don't have to worry personally. I don't leave the house.
>>59870129
>>59870144
>>59870170
This is the american perspective..
Clinton isn't "the liberal left" in Europe.
Clinton is at _least_ center right by European measures.
Trump would most certainly score far right. But that said I do think the distinction of what perspective you're having would have to be made.
I don't think there's a major party in Europe that could reflect what republicans are. You're truly a mystery as a country.
the irony is that leftists are making the fascists & nazis they hate by demonizing everything right-wing
i.e, if someone supports not wanting illegals in USA suddenly they're a nazi and put the same group as skinheads. So why not be a skinhead now if you're going to be treated like one?
>>59870597
Good.
Your country was a failed experiment.
>>59870617
>Your country was a failed experiment.
What are you even talking about. I was talking about Europe in general. Seems you're not even thinking about what's being written.
Willful ignorance is something nobody should openly support.
>>59870640
>I was talking about Europe in general.
So you think right-wing in hungary and sweden would mean the same thing?
>>59870413
"Franco initially pursued a policy of autarky, cutting off almost all international trade. The policy had devastating effects, and the economy stagnated. Only black marketeers could enjoy an evident affluence.
On the brink of bankruptcy, a combination of pressure from the United States, the IMF and, most importantly, the technocrats from Opus Dei, managed to convince the regime to adopt a free market economy."
Yes the spanish miracle was very real. It was a result of Franco stop being such a dumbass for once. Directly after the war western Europe and the soviets were not keen on trading with him, but it was up to Franco to keep his protectionist policies for so long. And protectionism is a part autarky, my statement was completely valid. Minorities sought tough prosecution under the regime's rule, that qualifies as racism.
>>59870660
>protectionism
>autarky
k.
>>59869509
>Are far rights really so popular in Europe or is it only on int?
far rights translate to parties that defend the ideas that europeans should not become minorities in their own countries and immigrants already here should adapt to the culture and customs on their host countries
that is considered being literally hitler by the left
so please, do not call those parties far right
>>59870597
Cuck.
>>59870683
>that is considered being literally hitler by the left
see
>>59870617
even the fat swedish block merchant went off on twitter over the past few days and is now branded a 'right wing bigot'
for example:
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/05/22/mras-and-gamergaters-rejoice-after-minecraft-guy-mansplains-mansplaining-uses-c-word/
>far rights translate to parties that defend the ideas that europeans should not become minorities in their own countries and jews already here should adapt to the culture and customs on their host countries
>
>
>that is considered being literally hitler by the left
>
>so please, do not call those parties far right
>>59870785
This was meant for
>>59870683
Tbqhwy
>>59870597
I love the 'usa is far-right with no real progressive party like enlightened europe' meme!
>>59870809
It's not a meme, fatty.
>>59870809
Graphic isn't even updated. But yeah you're retarded. Even Hofer said he was to the left of american liberals.
>>59870650
>being this retarded
No I wasn't talking about Sweden in the first place.
You just have no idea where your country lies politically.
Bernie sanders is put on your liberal left close to Clinton on that chart.
Do you really think that's accurate? The reason he's so close is because you don't have enough space on that chart. It ranges from right to center. Not right to left.
Your country is way out on the right in general when measured objectively by international standards.
What I'm saying is that the rest of the world has a very different political compass than you do. Far right in Europe (at least in this thread) is about rather specific issues. Not a general economic freedom+authoritarian stance on social issues. You really shouldn't read into these words the same way.
Libertarian would mean you're on the left in Europe for instance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism Read the paragraph starting "The term libertarianism originally referred to a philosophical belief in free will"
For instance.
You need to know this stuff to read european news. Accurately.
>>59870728
>point out fact
>get called cuck
No I just care for your democratic power. Without knowledge you're not in power.
>>59870809
>one issue
>something with the democrats passed
You're being ridiculous. I'm not saying there's no progressive forces in the US. I'm saying that you're very far right in comparison.
Enough so that your compass doesn't cover the range.
>>59870747
That's one salty article holy shit. Why is it that everyone takes themselves abd internet so seriously nowadays that any disagreement is worse than rape and solicits a snarky and overly sarcastic angry internet post?
>>59870747
>c-word
Car?
I don't get it.
>>59870381
Antisemitism is irrelevant now because European Jews are either dead due to holocost or have moved to Israel. You'd better post the same with attitudes on national minorities at all.
>being white and christian
Well, being white is certainly racial thing, isn't it? In Russia being nationalist means considering yourself Russian and sticking to "traditions" ie religion, family and so. One of the most prominent Russian nationalists is Zoroastrian, many are neopagans etc. Only neonazis care about race, but they are just gangs here, not a real political movement, and only religious extremists care about religion (Russian orthodox activists are basically copy of MENA Islamists).
>>59870873
>Why is it that everyone takes themselves abd internet so seriously nowadays that any disagreement is worse than rape and solicits a snarky and overly sarcastic angry internet post?
Literally happens with all identity politics, left or right
>>59870872
Should also add that Libertarianism in Europe has gotten some minor traction as the ideology American Libertaianism describes.
>>59870904
And what is "mansplaining"? I'm so confused right now.
>>59870421
How could Bosnian war affect growth of right wing sympathizers in Austria, Italy or France?
>>59870945
That's what I meant when I said everyone. No one can see the retardation and irony in armchaur activism and getting angry over dumb shit
>>59870977
Economic turmoil brings radicalism on both ends of the stick. Not saying the wars are related because I have no idea, but I'm just saying.
>>59870977
People don't like foreigners when they come.
Right wing sympathizers often come from the working class because those are the ones that get affected the most. By anything really. When shit goes poorly the working class goes extreme.
(I wish we could just abort stupid people honestly)
I was just taking a stab at explaining it. I'm not sure. Here we had violent antifa suppress opinion violently through murder and such things in late 90's- early 2000's (which I hate obviously, but the default position doesn't seem to be democratic value on this board so it's worth mentioning).
So yeah. It was just a guess.
>>59870952
>mansplaining
Heard about this from american sources. It's when a man explains something (in public) to a woman. The idea is that that situation shouldn't happen because it's politically problematic and show that women aren't all-knowing divine beings. It's just sexism really.
>>59870547
There is no terrorism in Sweden, lol, what a bullshit. Russia, USA and France have the biggest troubles with it.
>>59870683
That's how rightists see it, but in reality things are way more complicated, lol. No one proposes Europeans to be a minority and so. Left wingers usually fight any racial, religious, gender or other opression to decrease any tensions except the class struggle so people would care about capitalists and not about other nationalities.
>>59870909
>Well, being white is certainly racial thing, isn't it?
yes and no. It only concerns 'not being brown'. It all boils down in my opinion to fight with islam. In Russia its probably not so problematic, but in Poland there is this 'last christian stand' mentality due to mongol and ottomans wars. We are ok with asians thou. Polish nationalists are in general radical caths. Paganism is not a thing in Poland
>>59870872
politicalcompass.org is propaganda you know, right? It's owned by the far-left UK organization One World Action — which campaigns for "Advancing Social Justice in Europe and Worldwide".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/4262768/Im-v.-Right-wing-says-the-BBC-but-its-not-that-simple.html
Additionally, they refuse to disclose anything related to their scoring system so for all we know they just throw darts at a dartboard.
>>59871110
>>There is no terrorism in Sweden, lol,
http://www.thelocal.se/20150810/malm-shaken-by-another-hand-grenade-attack2015
>Malmö has been hit by more than 30 explosions since the start of the year.
>>59869509
Overall it's an unsettled time in EU politics. Yes far right but also far left parties are briefly gaining popularity and then losing it again. Few of the "far right" parties share a large set of ideas. The Finns are anti immigration but pro welfare state for example. Basically there are a lot of angry people in EU who feel powerless, these populist parties manipulate these people. So it's an unsettled time. Better to take a long term view of these things.
>tfw the austrian elections were rigged
>>59869790
>Right Wing
Todays right wing was the common sense 20 years ago
>>59871149
Gang violence with hand grenades is not a terrorism. Terrorism is kind of political violence.
>>59870683
No, they also have the concept of Ethnopluralism im their Programms, which means the Remigration of almost all migrants.
>>59871253
Yup, this. Merkel's Party had a platform practically identical to the present day AfD ten years ago.
>>59871207
Jean-Claude Juncker said he would isolate any right-wing party anyways. Europeans don't even seem to care that they already live in a totalitarian state.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/juncker-vows-to-use-new-powers-to-block-the-far-right-nq5r5tnqq
>The EU will isolate and use sanctions against any far-right or populist governments that are swept to power or presidential office on the wave of popular anger against migration.
>Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, made clear at the weekend that Norbert Hofer would have been frozen out of EU decision-making if he had been elected president of Austria. “There is no debate or dialogue with the far-right,” Mr Juncker said.
>Under powers given to the commission in 2014, he can trigger a “rule of law mechanism” for countries that depart from democratic norms
Europeans literally lap this shit up then brag about how bad USA is. Look at this thread for proof.
>>59871110
>There is no terrorism in Sweden
No but there will be. Do you really think the people who come to your countries are different than those who come to ours?
>>59871149
Not really terrorism.
>but hurr it's explosives
These aren't attacks with a clear political motive. We had biker gangs steal military arms and fight, didn't make it terrorism because they fired an RPG.
https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/p_europol_tsat15_09jun15_low-rev.pdf
This is a more accurate representation.
>>59871119
>point to one of the multitude of sources
>complains that it's owned by the wrong people
>you point to a source which points to Bernie Sanders==Hillary Clinton
You do realize that the political compass should reflect the opposite if it wishes to influence.
If the compass put Bernie Sander as a moderate (which he certainly isn't by american measures) he'd be influenced positively by the false right wing appeal that's shown.
Your compass does more to favor Bernie than my compass does. And you're coming here to argue that my compass is somehow bias in the exact opposite way of what would be real?
Also we're talking about an american political organization that's america-centric like ontheissues displaying an american specific compass vs politicalcompass.org displaying a compass that's generalized.
Also there's information on how they score.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
Yes obviously your chart pertains to the US and may very well be accurate for that space (ignoring the Clinton vs Bernie stuff and anyone else that'd be too far left for the compass). But the point is not that your compass is inaccurate for your country. It's that it doesn't fit the rest of the world. Which you haven't argued against yet so I suppose I shouldn't be so pissy about it.
>>59871390
America took in way more immigrants than you did. Eastern Europeans at the time were looked at no different from modern day Muslims and we took millions. You'll be fine desu.
>>59871341
>Europeans literally lap this shit up
You're delusional if you think people here enjoy getting fucked in the ass by globalist superstate called european commission.
>>59871390
Also I'm not ignorant to the fact that you may favor a compass that constrains the range because of your political bias.
Perhaps you hold the view that people are less likely to favor the extreme positions (Argument to moderation is a thing), so you being extremely in favor of Bernie/Trump (which would be favored by your compass asserting this was true) or whatever you're for you can benefit your cause by having this compass be inaccurate.
Regardless I think that's giving you to much credit given you've presumed I hold the political position of my country.
>>59871390
>>59871462
the irony here is that your country is exactly what you're claiming
you have NO right-wing party that's anywhere near power.
claiming someone like bernie sanders would be "center left" in europe is just a lie
>>59871453
Europe is not a continent for immigrants.
America is. We have our own diversity and don't need outsiders.
>>59871487
>>59869790
>Italy
>>59871524
Well meme'd
>>59870381
The only question is who takes advantage of it. Russia obviously, although they support anyone who is against the EU/Nato....Poland for instance they can't control the far right sentiment and it's basically against them.
>>59871390
>>complains that it's owned by the wrong people
because it has an obvious bias?
how would you feel if I gave you a political compass from stormfront and told you that you're just complaining it's owned by the wrong people?
>>Also there's information on how they score.
>https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
no it's not, it doesn't give any real details
e.g,
http://www.ontheissues.org/VoteMatch/candidate_map.asp?a1=4&a2=1&a3=4&a4=1&a5=1&a6=1&a7=4&a8=2&a9=1&a10=1&a11=5&a12=1&a13=2&a14=5&a15=4&a16=2&a17=1&a18=4&a19=5&a20=5&i1=1&i2=1&i3=1&i4=1&p=8&e=68&t=4
and
http://www.ontheissues.org/VoteMatch/how_it_works.asp?a1=4&a2=1&a3=4&a4=1&a5=1&a6=2&a7=1&a8=1&a9=4&a10=2&a11=5&a12=4&a13=1&a14=5&a15=4&a16=1&a17=5&a18=5&a19=1&a20=2&i1=1&i2=1&i3=1&i4=1&p=8&e=68&t=4
this breaks down exactly how everything is calculated for where it's placed
(not my answers, grabbed a random filled in quiz from google)
>>59871559
in Poland any party is pro american. Far right is super pro american.
>>59871341
No one cares because no one can do anything about the faggots sitting at the helm of EU. European commission is so powerful it could fuck up a nation even without that "we'll isolate right wing" part.
>>59871453
Eastern Europeans weren't blowing themselves up in malls and splashing women's faces with acid.
>>59871390
Not really. Domestic terrorism is the result of radicalization of people. People get radicalized usually when they are loosers trying to find goals and simple answers. Or terrorism may be a consequence of an old ethnic conflict or so, like basks or IRA. Sweden is very rich countries so there are little lost unsatisfied people and you have no old conflicts. As to foreign terrorism, say, ISIS, you are irrelevant, they would better attack not a meme country.
And Russian terrorism is 100% home grown. It comes from illegal Caucasus rebels who are basically just gangs without any real ideology who do this shit to get money from ISIS or Al Quaeda.
>>59871453
>America took in way more immigrants than you did.
Not per capita.
Also we're extremely racist. We're gonna turn them into terrorists in no-time.
The reason we don't seem racist is because we don't have any exposure to other people. If you want to turn us progressive in some way you would have to do it slowly.
http://asterixjournal.com/interview-noam-chomsky-racism-us-europeby-mine-gencel-bek/
Here's an article from a guy who you've no doubt heard about.
>You'll be fine desu.
No desu, we won't be. We're not. Also I suspect (I haven't done any analysis on it) Eastern Europeans were not as "Modern Day muslims" (hope you're not falling for the "moderate muslim" meme) are now.
There's stats on who thinks Sharia should be law. It's far too many.
>>59871480
>the irony here is that your country is exactly what you're claiming
>you have NO right-wing party that's anywhere near power.
Yes? What was this about if not asserting that I'm right?
That's exactly what I'm saying. We don't have any right wing parties by your definition because your range is small.
>>59871586
So you're ignoring the Hillary==Bernie then? How did that happen?
Are you agreeing with what you concede on? I can't tell. Because I agree that the stuf they're presenting for ontheissues is certainly more detailed than politicalcompass.org
It's not an "obvious" bias to be funded by someone if the representation is accurate. Your compass gives an inaccurate view of the world. For instance you do realize that both Clinton and Bernie are as far left as the compass allows.
They're literally communists according to that. And I don't think you're honestly arguing that.
This argument has been about the accuracy of the different compasses from an international view. This started with me saying that your compass wouldn't represent Europe well.
I can't attest that i think Politicalcompass.org is the best site in the world. I just picked one. It seems decent enough.
>>59871696
Swezen already has a lot of radicalized people. Many of their mudslimes have flown to fight under ISIS flag.
>>59869509
They're not actually far-right, just populists using the scared masses to get elected, they don't actually care about any ideology.
>>59871639
Not really. Read about anarchist terrorism in USA which was commited mostly by Italians and eastern Europeans.
>>59871708
>not per capita
...we more than quadrupled our population from immigration in a small span of time. You should really look up orthodox atrocities, they had quite a lot. Moderate Muslims is the majority, the sharia pics that go around on /pol/ are extremely biased. Find me a reputable study that shows the majority of Muslims, especially that of the refugees, support sharia law.
I wish we could all just agree to end the left-right meme and never use it again.
i.e, as an american example bernie and trump overlap on arguably quite a few issues(trade, interventionism, even largely on immigration) yet they're put at the polar opposite of the spectrum. Their actual disagreements appear to be almost entirely wedge issues & their public appearance.
OTOH, Hillary and Trump overlap on basically nothing. But Hillary is generally put to the right of Bernie.
just my two cents
>>59871780
>he drank the moderate muslim kool aid
>>59871805
>>59871827
>>59871780
now you post your sources lol
>>59871827
I'm actually centrist, not some american meme right.
>>59871780
Have you somehow missed every poll of muslim population in Europe? The last one I saw was conducted in Britain and the vast majority did indeed want to sharia up the place.
>>59871840
>a sample size that results in far less than 1% of the Muslim population
:^)
>>59871559
Russia has no interest in PIS. They are ultra anti Russian.
>>59871487
It's defined by your economy. If your economy is growing and you have jobs people would try to get to your country. It's capitalism. It makes world and all the markets global, including labour market.
>>59871708
They got ton of people, their population at the beggining was a few millions, the rest are immigrants. Muslims don't differ, religion doesn't define people and culture, it's the opposite. Learn more.
>>59871840
I am pretty sure Muslims feel that way in Europe.
America doesn't ghettoize or marginalize legal immigrants it ships over.
>>59870043
>PiS is literally NatSoc
.N voter detected
>>59871886
>the majority percentage of every muslim country is less than 1% of all muslims in the world
lol
>>59871913
LEL they marginalixe and live in ghettoes OUT OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL not because dem rayciss yuropoors told them to
>>59871708
>We don't have any right wing parties by your definition because your range is small.
It's the other way around.
For example on the left we have people on the very very commie-tier far left(Jill Stein) to people like Sanders to people like Clinton.
On the right we have, well, no real parallel for Jill Stein honestly. She's kinda kooky t b h. Pretty much any bible-thumping warhawk is our 'far right' so just use Cruz. Then you go down to the more moderate republicans like say, Kasich I suppose.
Then you have people like Trump who are hard to place because they're extreme in both directions which just happens to average out slightly right of the center.
The only thing USA is lacking are true moderate center politicians. I suppose Perot might have been placed here maybe? But its been a while since he ran.
You have no right-wing party by this definition because YOUR range is a subset of this range.
and no, I'm not a "right-wing" or "alt-right" or whatever. I'd say I'm pretty center-left.
>>59871886
>I failed my 9th grade stats class
>>59871919
>.N voter detected
Actually I am PIS voter and I consider them natsoc. i didnt say nazi or so.
>>59871913
>muslim immigrants in europe
>legal
ebin 5/5
>>59869938
>Finland isn't European
Kill yourself, you imbecile.
>>59870315
>free trade
>inside the country
In America this has been the highest law of the land since 1789 when we threw out the Articles of Confederation.
Are Russian subnational units able to levy import/export taxes and print their own currency? I kind of thought "free trade within the country" was a settled issue in modern democracies.
>>59871945
>The only thing USA is lacking are true moderate center politicians. I suppose Perot might have been placed here maybe? But its been a while since he ran.
I feel incredibly dumb now
I literally posted a picture of a centrist politician.
I really wanted Webb to do better, he got fucked over hard by the media.
>>59871857
It's bullshit because of few reasons.
1) Sharia is not necessary mean medieval law codex. It was different in different times and just basically means law blessed by religion. It doesn't mean that people who like it hates secular government, laws and so. Actually even in MENA there are little countries with full religious state, only gulfies actually. Maghreb is mostly secular.
2) Most of the polls like that are meme pics from pol or other biased sources.
>>59872011
Sharia is the god given law in Koran. It is the word of god thus it is right. It never was malleable and changing.
>>59872011
No silly a couple thousand people interviewed in some Muslim countries represent the opinion of billions of Muslims. Surely these numbers which have been criticized by academia, cannot be used for political measure :^)))
>>59871898
>religion doesn't define people and culture, it's the opposite. Learn more.
Yes I'm very much aware. But these people don't have a culture that copes well with liberal ideals like accepting other opinions.
>>59871945
>You have no right-wing party by this definition because YOUR range is a subset of this range.
I doubt that anon. How can you present that compass and say this? This politician you mention wouldn't even be represented well in your compass. Meanwhile the compass I posted (which again, just a random compass, but I found it OK) does differentiate between the right you have and the left you have. They all have their spot, Jill Stein included, being far left of the others.
How did my compass not have the range?
Yes we don't have right wing parties. I never argued we did. (I don't particularly know what the range is either but still) I know where the global compass is. You claim your compass is an accurate representation of available opinions. That's simply false, unless Clinton==Sanders==This Jill Stein person. And yes you just said that wasn't the case.
>>59871937
It's obvious bullshit because the Islamists are political outcasts anywhere out of MENA and even there they are supported mostly by uneducated low class people.
>>59872078
you're a retard
>>59872074
>oy vey polls that interview 100 swedes say they are very racist
>oy vey sample size of 10 000 muslims can't be used to extrapolate
(You)
>>59872074
Can you link to a paper criticizing the pic that got you that mad?
>>59872074
>>No silly a couple thousand people interviewed in some Muslim countries represent the opinion of billions of Muslims.
just admit you've never taken a stats course and you're a retard then stop posting
>>59871696
>Sweden is very rich countries so there are little lost unsatisfied people and you have no old conflicts.
Oh yeah, sure we're integrating our people really well right now. It's not like there's people openly expressing themselves anti-semantically and recommending that women who are in an abusive relationship should avoid going to the police.
In the grand scheme I don't much care about the terrorism. It's the democratic influence (or lack there of, meaning they'd subverting our democracy) I care about.
>And Russian terrorism is 100% home grown.
That's really interesting. I had no idea there was mercenary terrorism going on.
>>59871780
>the sharia pics that go around on /pol/ are extremely biased.
Duh. But i'm looking at studies directly.
Do you honestly believe there's morons who go to /pol/ to get informed? I refuse to believe that.
I look at studies about opinions. Stuff like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Y_xfeTIVs State sponsored show which tends to investigate stuff. The general view you're given here is that there's a lot of Muslim communities that encourage working outside the law and enforce sharia law on their own. Obligatory "they're not all bad"-segment of course. And I don't think they're all bad (Somalian Muslims were presented). But I don't think eastern Muslims are a force for good like you'd have me believe.
>Sharia law and especially refugees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Syria
>Sunni
If you need the short rundown of that basically they believe Muhammeds hadith (what he said and did) is worth following.
Muhammed was a warlord and religious conquerer. That pretty much seals it.
>>59872083
so they only used the numbers recorded by islamists?
lol
>>59871940
Yet this isn't the case in America, compared to immigrant hugging welfare doling countries like Sweden. In return you have riots....Social welfare doesn't fix anything, you have to socially integrate people or have a culture that anyone can adopt easily.
>>59871958
The EU took in legal immigrants before it was flooded by economic migrants and war refugees and did away with idea of open borders.
>>59872157
>State sponsored show which tends to investigate stuff.
please be a troll
>>59872098
>you're a retard
No u.
What the fuck. Anon you've disprove yourself and you call me the a retard?
That's rude, give me your sweet boipussy to pound instead of a petty insult. To the victor go the spoils.
>>59872181
It points in the opposite direction of what you'd expect though. That's the point. They're state sponsored to be independent. Which I know doesn't make sense in a country where corporations are the law but here they're actually doing good shit. Always though.
You'd probably argue they're supporting Jews though, which I can't really blame you for. But with our Muslim infiltration Jews are the first to be targeted.
Only /int/
Its extremely shameful to support the far right here and you will never openly support them except if you're ready to destroy your public image
>>59872098
quality american post
>>59872220
This is true.
That said there's massive support.
Shows how poorly our democracy is working.
I can't find a political organization that actually tries to support democracy and freedom of speech.
>>59872142
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/13/bill_maher_and_sam_harris_proof_is_wrong_their_argument_is_based_on_an_untrustworthy_poll/
Multiple citations in the article desu
>>59872218
>and you call me the a retard?
because you keep thinking I'm referring to an image when I meant the overall political field you retard
Your country has no rightwing at all. Your entire country's political spectrum would fit slightly to the left of hillary, overlapping bernie, and probably bordering jill stein
>>59872155
>take stats course
>first thing you learn is how manipulative polls are
JUST
>>59872246
>I can't find a political organization that actually tries to support democracy and freedom of speech.
>Implying the ever corrupt far right who shut downs their candidates everytime they say something non PC yet also go in court everytime someone say bad things about them support free speech
>>59869790
>Eastern Europe
okay well that's just cheating m8
>>59872268
and what does this have to do with interval estimates of populations?
>>59872255
>REEE we weren't arguing about what we were arguing about
>I'm changing my mind about what I'm complaining about
Ok..
>because you keep thinking I'm referring to an image when I meant the overall political field you retard
Ok so what do you think I argued for then? I kept talking about images and images only because that's what you pointed to. If we're gonna talk about the hypothetical bounds for libertarianism vs authoritarianism and Right vs left economic policy that's another issue. I don't think anyone disagrees about that.
I stated from the start that
"I don't think there's a major party in Europe that could reflect what republicans are. You're truly a mystery as a country."
So yes, I openly admitted that I don't think a republican equivalent (The far right, right? We agree on that?) exists in Europe. That was where we started.
>>59872289
>Implying the ever corrupt far right
I implied no such thing.
That'd mean I have found them.
Unless you're saying they support free speech. They don't. They just don't have the power to suppress it.
Best I got is the pirate party (libertarian, left libertarian to be clear). But they're not that supportive of free speech really. They just happen to enable it.
>>59871898
I'm actually not against immigrants as long as they are European.
>Economy is everything
Sounds Neoliberal
European politics is extremely funny for Russians because they are the total opposite mirror of Russian politics. Right wingers here are unironically opressive, destroyed democracy and free speech, ruin the economy, absolutely mad people. Also we have many nationalist gangs who can rob you in the street. Our lefts are mostly pro-European intellectuals who want to do the opposite to the shit our government does. When I read about left street violence in the west it looks so weird to me that I really laugh.
>>59872386
Yeah. People are violent animals when they can afford to.
>>59872386
>Right wingers here are unironically opressive
Here too
Thats why we're constantly in the street
Also because the Left is right wing.
>>59872247
>salon
LOL
>>59872325
>"I don't think there's a major party in Europe that could reflect what republicans are. You're truly a mystery as a country."
uh
UK Conservative Party
why do foreigners think every republican is a right-wing biblical moral crusader?
There's a reason they dominate the local elections so much, they really are mostly a center-right party outside of federal elections.
>>59872322
Because an interval of 0.000002375% of the total population does not hold much weight. Not to mention taking that as a fact and ignoring many possible roles in those answers like in the article I posted, makes using that as proof moderate Islam is a myth even more useless.
>>59872364
But it's true. You have progressive and comfy as hell Dubai and destroyed war thorn Yemen in one region. You have North and South Korea. Here in Russia we have Moscow which is pretty good and literally Africa-tier regions like Tyva or Vologda. The more country is rich and educated the more liberal people there.
>>59872445
>>Because an interval of 0.000002375% of the total population does not hold much weight.
please stop posting, this is embarrassing.
>>59872435
this
>>59872437
>UK Conservative Party
>anywhere near as batshit crazy as even the "moderate" parts of the Republican Party
check your jimmies please
>>59872471
refer to the
>>59872437
>why do foreigners think every republican is a right-wing biblical moral crusader?
>let me tell you about your country
>>59872454
You are just explaining this. Is it your opinion or are you edgy ?
>>59872445
>you must interview everyone in the group you're studying to get a clear view of opinions in a poll
ebin meme
>>59872437
>UK Conservative Party
Well I can't be informed of everything really. I'm sorry. I said "i don't think" because I was unsure.
There's also disagreement apparently >>59872471
European politics is hard. We have tons of political overhead and a complex structure no sane democratic participant could get into. And (here at least) there's also municipal politics which is far more important to my daily life than other things.
Except these major issues like immigration which greatly affect funding.
>>59872515
>European politics is hard. We have tons of political overhead and a complex structure no sane democratic participant could get into. And (here at least) there's also municipal politics which is far more important to my daily life than other things.
yeah
it's almost as if you're comparing an entire continent to a single country.
>>59872445
Westerners just know nothing outside the West. There are many regions in the world where Muslims and Christians have been living peacefully together for centuries. Russia is one of them, there are many regions like that in Africa and Asia. Even in Syria they have been living together for thousand years before ISIS. Many Palestinians are Christian and so. Westerners have never interacted with other religions except the crusades and shit so they are very ignorant about it.
>>59872460
>I'm tired of failing to argue please stop
CAN'T
>>59872531
Yeah. It's almost like your single country would easily be considered under-regulated from an European point of view. Making things simpler. (hopefully)
>>59871976
Jim Webb was the most presidential candidate in the race. He would have at least won the nomination thirty years ago.
>>59872558
that's not even what an interval is you retarded fuck
>>59872486
It's not really the god hates transgender fags parts of the party so much as it is the $0 minimum wage, let's bomb everything, means testing social welfare parts of the party.
>>59872531
Not to mention that a 15th century glorified cheeleader who also happened to be a virgin are still relevant in today's politics
>>59872495
>0.000002375%
>>59872589
>it is the $0 minimum wage,
yep
every republican is ron paul
you got us
>>59872583
>I UNDERSTAND YOUR MEANING BUT YOUR WORDS ARE WRONG THEREFORE I MUST SAGE AND MOVE ON
>>59872603
Wait they interviewed only 0.000002375%?
>>59872643
>seven dollars and twenty five cents per hour every hour for forty hours for fifty-two weeks
maximum shiggy
>>59872648
you've been wrong about everything you retarded fuck
nice reddit filename, by the way.
if muslims are peaceful then why are there no stats to back it up
>>59872666
you realize the federal government doesn't have to set the minimum wage in USA, right?
It can and is done at both state and city levels. We don't have a single country-wide minimum wage, we have a wage floor of $7.25
e.g, my city's minimum wage is $10.25
>>59872689
Because no one bothered to?
>>59872689
If Middle Easterners are actual humans, why aren't they white ?
>>59872689
Yeah i'd be interested in a bias article pointing towards how many don't believe in sharia according to a very stringent definition of sharia that excludes murdering apostates.
>>59872689
because peaceful muslims are muslims who encourage the militant muslim to decapitate the apostate/infidel.
>>59872715
oh and it's actually preferable this way, btw.
It's much cheaper to live in say, some random rural town in Ohio than it is in a southern californian suburb, by probably a factor of 2-3x.
>>59872715
>there are literally places in america where people are literally working for seven dollars and twenty-five cents with fuck-all legally mandated benefits
But it's just a coincidence that the more Republican states are the poorest, right?
>>59872776
Eh, it's their fault for not moving really.
Alt-their parents fault for having kids.
My honest opinion senpai. They're supporting the system and aren't in a life threatening situation if they move.
They're really ruining the potential of the system by not being rational actors.
>>59869790
>Hungary
What?
>>59872680
Congratulations you know basic maths. Now if only coverage errors weren't sure a huge risk when you leave 1,599,962,000 people out.
>>59872836
The best part honestly is that some of these people seem to think it's a good idea to have a lower minimum wage in poorer areas where the cost of living is lower, and then they wonder why those poorer areas are poorer and why population migrates where there is higher wages.
>>59872776
do you really think you'd be able to accurately guess which of these states are republican or democrat from this map?
>>59869509
Far right is a boogeyman made up commies, european right is more like democrats of US and "far right" like republicans.
>>59872880
I don't think there's anyone serious who really believes that.
I'm not sure I can blame people for using these people that much. Sure it's a fairly vapid thing to do but in the end what does it really matter? I don't feel much for chickens, they're so dumb they can walk around without heads. If someone fucks themselves over by sticking around when things go bad why not benefit? Someone else would do it given the chance regardless.
>>59872903
Yeah, easily. Especially when factoring out resources, but even that's not necessary. You can clearly see the South being red and dark red, while the western coast and the northeast are more green. There are of course outliers such as oil exporters of Alaska, Wyoming and North Dakota, but there's a very clear trend.
>>59872857
>you know basic maths.
>maths
>s
take your proxy off
>>59872903
hint:
no
while obviously not entirely representative, this is the current governor party map
>>59872955
Seems to be what this person was saying:>>59872767
But if you're suggesting that Americans are largely too economically ignorant to be able to help themselves, then yes I'd agree with you there. Western Europeans and Australians aren't by and large economic geniuses either, but at least they get angry when mandated social protections and services deteriorate.
>>59872957
>all of the highest are republican states
>h-h-hheh I was right the republican states are poor
do you think maybe it correlates with something else?
maybe the fact that the majority of the states are republican by a massive margin?
>>59872998
18-31 dem-rep
>>59872998
>>59872903
It fits pretty much
>>59873067
Well you don't even have to consider resources to point this out, but the light shade of pink should really be a pale shade of green to be able to split the states as close as possible by 50-50. After that I can only identify five nominally Democratic states which are low income, and seventeen for the Republicans.
>>59869790
So they classify the far-right parties as right-wing but the far-left parties are classified as "center-left"?
Podemos are just as much radical populists as Le Pen and Haider only on the left.
>>59872857
>Now if only coverage errors weren't sure a huge risk when you leave 1,599,962,000 people out.
You're trolling I hope.
The point of a survey is to sample randomly across a set to determine the entire sets general characteristics. If you make a statement "X opinion doesn't exist" that'd be a problem. If you say "the general case is this:" that's another.
If you're gonna complain complain about who's doing the picking.
>>59872903
Actually poorly representative of income among the poorest, especially in the case of the US.
Given the large income disparity.
This might work here though, at lest sortof OK.
>>59873172
>Podemos
>Far left
>>59873205
Podemos is as left wing as Le Pen is right-wing.
If you mark one on the graph you should also mark the other that way.
>>59873172
far left would be communism, which doesn't exist anymore in Europe.
>>59871535
Fuck off Salveenee
>>59873253
Far left is antifa/communism.
Antifa exists.
>>59873253
Podemos is as left wing as Le Pen is right wing.
If you mark one on the graph you should also mark the other that way.
>>59873272
Antifa are not a party
>>59873225
Hello Adolf
>>59873190
>>59873142
>>59872998
it doesn't even represent what you guys think it does
hint:
the poor states are poor because nobody rich lives there.
it's an average, not a median.
the reason the midwest has so many high earning states?
Oil tycoons + low pop.
>>59873370
this shit really fucks up anything like that when using averages in USA due to our huge number of ultra-rich people
especially in e.g, Texas, California, New York, etc.
>>59873003
>but at least they get angry when mandated social protections and services deteriorate.
US social programs are for the needy, not everyone. It appears to actually work better if you compare unemployment rates as it gives a higher incentive to go to work. It also reduces the tax burden of said programs.
And our healthcare system is identical to Netherland's, I don't know why you guys still shit on it like 5 years after it changed.
>>59873428
2013 is outdated, BTW. Oil industry has been booming for 3 years, midwest is probably darker now.
>>59873428
>It appears to actually work better if you compare unemployment rates as it gives a higher incentive to go to work.
data to back that claim up
https://data.oecd.org/unemp/unemployment-rate.htm
Norway is generally seen as an exception due to being nordic oil sheiks. Not sure how much that would still apply here, but they do seem out of place compared to their most comparable countries e.g, Sweden
>>59873560
>what on earth is mansplaining
it means a woman cuntfused your argument with your penis
>>59869790
Centertugal
>>59873428
>US social programs are for the needy, not everyone
What I'm much more concerned about are the rights and benefits of workers. It used to be that the United States lead the way with exceptional trade union membership and collective bargaining agreements, which has all but effectively been undone drastically in the 1980s and never really recovered. If you want to create incentives for people to work, making it actually worthwhile to work would be a good start.
>>59873596
Slaving away for pennies and no benefits isn't really a good option.
>>59869790
>center-left
>center-right
>far-right
>no far-left
they don't even try to hide it
>>59873663
our unions were corrupt as fuck
even the remaining ones are, look at the teacher's union — it's a blight upon the country.
>and collective bargaining agreements,
yeah nah
what happens is the shittiest workers get protected by extensive legal teams owned by the unions and you can't fire or reprimand them for anything, so people like me end up working with complete fucktards that make my job harder
OTOH you have associations like AMA and AOA for doctors that work much better than unions. Most professions have similar in USA.
>>59873758
Would you prefer to live in Greece?
>>59873370
>>59873428
Yeah that's what I said. >>59873190
>>59873804
There's no far left because no one votes for them not because le ebin jewish conspiracy
>>59873804
No, but I'm saying that slaving for pennies and 2 weeks' worth of holidays you end up not keeping anyway for fear of losing your job isn't better than a comprehensive social security net. It only tidies up unemployment but worsens life quality for many.
>you find better political discussions on /int/ than on /pol/
>these political discussions are pretty bad anyway
>>59873804
>our unions were corrupt as fuck
Yikes! Thank goodness all you have now is corrupt businesses.
>unironically against collective bargaining
Now THAT'S what I call wagecuck™ed. You're totally going to get a better deal by hoping your employer doesn't want to cut costs.
Seriously though, all collective bargaining has to do, particularly in a centrist country like Australia, is ensure a particular wage increase for all workers with the expectation of a particular increase in productivity. It has literally nothing to do with regulations about dismissal.
It's absolutely amazing to me that working class Americans have been convinced that it's those that are supposedly even poorer than them that are the real risk to their own prosperity, and not the capital owners.
I mean for fuck's sake it's like you guys don't even know how things work anywhere but you saw an article that said Sweden has a lot of rapes so you're pretty sure it's all fucking shit anyway.
>>59873865
yes also there is no such thing as immigrants, just temporarily displaced peoples
rape? Simply unwarranted Goodsex.
murder? we do not have such a word anymore
Voting for center-left? Goodthink.
Considering voting for anti-temporarily displaced peoples? Thoughtcrime.
Oldthinkers unbellyfeel Ingsoc
>>59873928
>Bad
More like horribly retarded and even worse, full of unitedstatesians
I hate leftypol 10x more than pol and I really hate pol
reminder that historically fascism has been far more successful than socialism or communism
>>59873965
This is why everybbody thinks americans are retarded
See this pic?
No gommie, no far left
>>59874070
See this pic?
Hitler was a far-left socialist.
>>59874042
How is this relevant to the discussion?
>historically fascism has been far more successful than socialism or communism
How do you decide this? At least commies win wars.
I've never seen leftypol except their memes and they're pretty terrible at least /pol/ memes are fun
>>59874112
>""I'm basically a communist." - Hitler" - Hermann Rauschning
>>59874112
Irrelevant to the discussion
Except if you want to prove your autism
