http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36356695
What are your thoughts on this?
>>59807961
>shit we need to sell more guns
this is cold war 2.0, war by proxy 2.0
only the name and places change
totally bs
>>59807961
Trump will fix it.
>>59808091
This. America is trying to build up alliances in Asia to counter China.
>>59808217
it's like you want to lose again
Obama and:
>MUH LEGACY
At the very least, I hope this helps to contain China.
Too late.
China already won.
>>59811546
whycontainit.png
getting really desperate to sell your weapons
schlomo coltenstein isnt happy
>shaking hands with a communist leader in front of a statue of Ho-Chi Minh
Speaks for itself really.
>>59811612
Why? So, they don't influence others in the region. Chinese expansionism into the south China sea needs to be stopped, and Vietnam can help us.
Allowing China to become more powerful is against US interests. That simple.
When we gonna arm Cuba?
>>59811786
when the good ol Cubans in Florida allow it.
>>59811612
Is that really a question?
let me guess, you are Chinese.
A normal westerner wouldn't even ask such a stupid question.
>>59811786
Arm them?
Again who exactly?
The vietnamese are against China, so I get that.
But the Cubans are not relevant at all, anymore.
>>59811820
actually I'm just memeing
>>59808091
>>59808296
>>59811546
Sounds good to me tbqh
>>59811612
t. Zhao Zhiquan
For fuck's sake we have to contain China or lose our hegemony.
>>59811926
use a real word please
>>59807961
No thoughts on irrelevant countries
>>59812182
Good point, Luxembourg.
Honestly, can America win a cold war with China?
Reminder that the based gooks like us more than our oldest '''''''''''''ally''''''''''''
>>59812377
BASED AS FUCK
FRANCE CONFIRMED ON SURRENDER WATCH
>>59812345
Why not?
We have all the advantages.
Economic, Military and political dominance.
Europe, Latin America, East and South East Asia are all in America's Side.
China only has a Russia in economic recession, North Korea the hermit kingdom, and a bunch of irrelevant and extremely poor african states.
I think we have it all in the bag.
if we can't get rid of our guns why shouldn't we give them to someone else
>>59812377
>United States
>83%
>>59812377
>>59812433
Fucking Frogs make me mad.
>>59812442
>I think we have it all in the bag.
Yeah. You're right. Time to shut this chinky business down.
>>59812496
Liberals and Immigrants.
>>59812345
Even if the US completely falls apart it could still pull the plug on the planet with nuclear submarines.
Doomsday soon.
>>59812583
Samson Option soon brother
Fuck the ozone layer
>>59812583
yesh
>>59812496
People who don't like fat retarded countries
Glorious Socialist Republic of Vietnam will be inspired by the ghost of Ho Chi Minh to wage People's War on the filthy Chinese imperialist dogs.
>>59812442
You realize we have almost no missile protections system?
You realize our military is not copper plated to stop EMP's?
America is fucked and its written across the wall
We will be EMPed soon and our entire electric grid will be gone in seconds.
Our entire system is vulnerable to this and the government would rather be manipulating oil fields by creating ISIS that went rouge than focusing on the home front, which is the reason why Russia hates us and will have to EMP us as 40% of their economy is based on the distribution and manufacturing of crude oil they get from Syria and else where.
>>59812377
>when the countries loving US are mostly poor 3rd shitholes or low IQ
>>59811612
Fuck off Yao, you fucking sleeper cell
>>59812377
>Italy higher than Poland
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
FUCKING RUSKIE TRAITORS GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY
>>59807961
This is only symbolism desu
American arms are too expensive and sophisticated for Vietnam. Moreover, buying them would anger China and Vietnamese don't want that. They're taking it slow
But yeah, this definitely means the US is pivoting into the Pacific
>>59814762
Removing some retarded relic from a half century old war doesn't signify a change in policy.
>>59814832
Believe me, it does
Together with TPP, Pivot to Asia is a new American foreign policy doctrine
http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/10/11/americas-pacific-century/
>>59814946
Thank fucking god she won't be elected, bitch is literally Soros with a vagina.
>>59814655
greatest ally
>>59814986
What? How is maintaing American power bad for your country?
You only benefit
>>59807961
WE COMIN FOR YOU CHINA
CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST
U S A
U S A
>>59808091
Nah, the next cold war will be completely through internet warfare at this point.
>>59815076
She's the same as Obama, only even less popular with US allies
>>59815126
[freedom intensifies]
>>59814588
>Living in America and not liking America
>>59815161
Trump is isolationist
Britain lost its superpower status and decades that followed were very painful for her people. She used to be one of the poorest Western European countries.
>>59815258
>Britain lost its superpower status and decades that followed were very painful for her people. She used to be one of the poorest Western European countries.
The old European empires faded because the empires they had cost more than they generated. America doesn't really have that problem.
>>59815306
>The old European empires faded because the empires they had cost more than they generated.
um, no, they were massively profitable
>>59812345
I think its a 66% americans win and 34% china wins.
>>59814554
>than focusing on the home front
American citizens are armed to the dick with weapons to the same degree sometimes even better then the typical US solider. If america gets attacked on its own soil citizens are a threat also.
>>59815076
Continuing to prop up China at the expense of our domestic population is actually really shitty for maintaining American power.
Thus far, China has been economically completely dependent on Western capitalists (especially from the US) wanting absurdly cheap labor at the expense of national development. They've been completely reliant on Western and American investment to keep their expansion sustainable.
The problem is, in the last two years especially, they've been diversifying their economy and making it more independent and less driven purely on cheap exports. If they manage to pull off this transition, and sustain it by exploiting Africa, China will be a completely different beast by 2050 assuming they don't suffer apocalyptic plague, famine, or environmental collapse/rebellion.
The US economically propping them up never was a viable long-term arrangement, and our shitshow leaders know that, hence the recent insane push for mass immigration no matter the cost.
>>59815353
>um, no, they were massively profitable
More blood and effort than just pure money. India was still profitable in 1947, but Britain couldn't spare the troops or political willpower to reassert itself.
>>59815306
American strength is in its vast network of alliances. Dollar is the main reserve currency, only FED can issue it. That makes America defaulting on its debt almost impossible.
If you lose this position, then your country will be crushed by it.
>>59815430
I pray that it never comes to that.
Better the devil that you know.
>>59815422
That sounds suspiciously like current America
>>59815422
Well you basically just admitted yourself that it was the World Wars and not loss of profit. The British Empire in particular was driven by capitalist ambitions and business opportunities.
>>59815480
Bases are a hell of a lot cheaper and easier than running a country like India or the eastern half of Africa. I read somewhere that its called a "light footprint empire"
>>59815480
We're in an interesting spot. Clinton wants to keep the status quo, which is and will stretch us to the political, demographic and economic breaking point.
I'd like to say that Trump's plan is a million times better, but it's basically damage control with a lot riding on how that investment in damage control pays off in the long term.
He wants to pull the Roman method of outsourcing our centralized military hegemony to member states that are affiliated with us while investing like a madman in domestic development while expanding our armed forces in the hope that when shit inevitably hits the fan (as it probably will, before the middle of the century,) we have a shot at staying a superpower. There's a fuckton of ifs there though.
>>59815575
There was also a bunch of nationalism and secessionism that took loads of time to fight like the Boer wars. But you do have a point.
>>59815140
I foresee corporate warfare, too.
Muh vidya was right all along.
>>59815579
Well yes that is the lesson learned from the decline of the Brits. Best not to just completely annex the regions you hold economic hegemony over, lest you be unable to maintain control one day.
>>59811612
t. Zhou
>But Mr Obama said the embargo decision was not related to US policy on China. "It's based on our desire to complete what has been a lengthy process of moving towards normalisation with Vietnam," he said in Hanoi.
>>59815633
Precisely
>>59815619
Deus Ex soon brother
>>59815579
Popularity of candidates like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump makes it apparent that American public is tired.
It's only a matter of time.
I'm not really about it though. Multipolar world with ascending and declining powers means we'll see more conflicts. This configuration would be explosive.
>>59815687
That would be a fucking tragedy.
Like it or not, the post Cold War world has been more peaceful than ever before
>>59815607
You'll have no shot.
You retreat from tge world stage and then it will be over in a decade.
>>59807961
The Vietnamese have a long history of hating the Chinese and actually like us despite our shared history.
This will mean US weapons manufacturers can sell their product in a new market, so yay for new business and jobs?
>>59815728
It's already happening. Your elite is incapable of persuading the public about benefits of maintaing an empire.
I'm only curious whether civilization will surive the inevitable conflict.
>>59815356
>>59815126
>>59815773
It's going to be interesting to see how it pans out to be sure, so far our role as world police (even if it's been more soft power lately) has only distanced us from most other cunts and made Americans bitter as well as polarized.
Our current strategy is unsustainable, and Trump's policy (depending on how far he's able to go with it,) is the metaphorical nuclear option.
/pol/ will have it's nationalism and >white(r) America, but in terms of how it works out, or if it even does remains to be seen.
>>59815921
>army size is decisive in modern warfare
wew
>>59815870
brb off to buy fallout shelter
>>59807961
Fuck off Vietnam is our buddy.
>>59815982
Wanna team up?
>>59816000
Sure!
>>59816019
Three cheers for the red, white, and blue & white, blue, and red.
>>59815982
>>59816000
>>59816019
s-stop it
>>59815140
Well it's already been going on for years.
t.Someone who is a consulting engineer on infrastructure projects and had my company's servers hacked by the Chinks.
>>59816000
>>59816019
>tfw literally no-one would be able to stop us
>>59812345
>bomb the 3 gorges dam
>millions of chinese dead instantly
>>59816019
This will be the greatest thing ever.
>>59815934
Trump is a result of 24 hour news cycle. People think something bad is happening because it creates a sense of urgency.
Democracy will kill the last great empire. It wasn't that good of a system after all.
Trump has no solutions only loud mouth
>>59816069
It'll be okay lad. Trump is all about nation-states and Clinton hates Russia. You'll be fine as long as you don't go full Hussar on Germany.
>tfw found out Poland has a larger military than the krauts
>>59816096
>millions forced to evacuate
>hundreds of factories flooded
>water surging through the streets of Shanghai
>>59816173
butifel
>>59815773
>You retreat from tge world stage and then it will be over in a decade.
Well we don't want to hand the Spics anything of value. They'd just fuck it up anyways.
>>59815982
>>59816000
>>59816019
>Phase One of World Conquest: Beautiful Friendship
>>59816142
>People think something bad is happening
There's plenty of bad things happening here, it's not just memes, literally bad shit across the board.
>Democracy will kill the last great empire. It wasn't that good of a system after all.
Democracy is great, it just should be kept to landed voting.
>Trump has no solutions only loud mouth
His domestic solutions are god-tier, (he won't be able to actually do most of them, but it's the thought that counts,) and his non-traditional stance on foreign policy has some good points.
His problem is that he's trying to solve Problem A using the solution to Problem C. I honestly don't think he can pull it off and have it work.
>>59816173
these images put tears in my eyes
>>59816350
brb enlisting for Trump/Putin joint liberation
It would be a great banter if Vietnam starts embargoing USA the moment USA stopped embargoing Vietnam
>>59811546
MUH LEGACY is a great thing though. It forces presidents to do necessary shit.
>>59816350
There's a fuckton of things Dubya cucked the shit out of, and Putine hasn't made things any better, but you have to give credit where it's due.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DZeJHwBe550
>>59816019
>Indian nationalist in Russia posting pro India and anti China posts
>tricking the thread into thinking Russian (80% of pop. Favorable to China as of 2016) wants to work with US (their greatest enemy) to fuck up China
>mfw
>>59816458
>we could have let Russia into NATO
Literally the stupidest mistake was passing on an alliance with Russia
>>59816497
Why the fuck are Russian people so pro-Chinese? They have to know that China is waiting for Russia to collapse so they can take Siberia.
This is what China is claiming to be theirs. It would be as though the gulf of Mexico suddenly became US property with all of the islands inside it. I don't even think China believes it's theirs. They're just testing boundaries to see how much they can get away with.
>>59807961
Obama seems to do this a lot. Make peace by lifting boundaries caused by past wars, past events, etc.
>>59816531
>muh BRICS
>muh alternative to US hegemony
I can understand why they did, especially since we convinced Europe to embargo them for no good reason, but it's foolish af long term to be sure.
>>59812442
>Latin America
We're on nobody's side, fuck off.
>>59816633
Project Condor soon...
>>59807961
Is there STILL an arms embargo?
>>59816531
They, along with China and to a lesser extent India, are the only geopolitical great powers that can stand up to American and Western domination. And that Siberia thing is bullshit. Much of Russia is doing worse than China now, is typically much harsher climate and a more foreign and different culture, whereas China has huge empty cities waiting to be filled. Keep in mind tho Russia's only real relevance is their huge military and nuke stockpile along with their UN permanent seat. Their economy is like 16 times smaller than America's tho.
>>59816570
They have America pivoting to contain China and military bases and ships of their greatest competitor constantly next to their land. Their action is genius. They can break any containment since this is an election year with strong foreign policy by Obama to gain Democrat approval. America has too many fucking problems coming up to care about what happens in Asia next.
>>59816665
Tbf the Siberia thing isn't really bullshit. We've seen the Chinks time and again just do what the fuck they want and get away with it because they don't give a fuck about playing by traditional Western rules.
Shit, population replacement is one of their trademark tactics, and like you said, Russia is weak as hell right now, if the Chinks wanted to grab Siberia over the long term, there's nothing Russia could currently do to stop them short of krieg.
>>59811612
t. Chang
>>59816764
>America has too many fucking problems coming up to care about what happens in Asia next.
tbqhwyf I think its the opposite. America is going to be focusing on China to the exclusion of other things we traditionally centered on like Europe and the Middle East.
>>59816764
This, I don't think a lot of people realize how fucking overstretched we've become. If you have to pull out something as insane as the TTP to keep allies (which are now hovering around 50% approval of you as a country) in your sphere of influence, you're doing geopolitics wrong.
>>59816877
History will see America as biggest empire in history
>>59816859
Trump will, Clinton definitely won't, see >>59814946
>>59815383
>The problem is, in the last two years especially, they've been diversifying their economy and making it more independent and less driven purely on cheap exports. If they manage to pull off this transition, and sustain it by exploiting Africa, China will be a completely different beast by 2050 assuming they don't suffer apocalyptic plague, famine, or environmental collapse/rebellion.
They won't though because China is a totalitarian state and that inherently stifles innovation and creativity.
>>59816899
>history history
sry for bed england
>>59807961
The comment section on Fox News was filled with butthurt baby boomers still living in 1971.
>>59816899
Also potentially the most brief, (excluding muh Mongol hordes,) the 90s-2012ish was arguably our peak if we stay with current policy.
Disappointing really if we don't fix our shit, the Brits managed to pull off a 100 year superpower empire with only coal, third worlders, and wooden fucking ships.
>>59816658
Nah, your govt cares more about sandniggers nowadays.
>>59817029
Our mudslime fixation is winding down. China is the new fool in school
>>59817000
1991-2001 was really the golden time in hindsight.
>China threatens Taiwan ahead of elections
>Democrat president sends two carriers through the Taiwan Straits
>China pusses out
Better days desu
>>59816965
>>59817075
Yeah true. Can't wait for a war down here tho, commie said that they'd invade us if Impeachment happened, nothing so far.
>>59816911
They are, but they're not afraid to steal innovation when they have to, and in combination with their authoritarian antics and disregard for PC bullshit is proving to be potent shit. They're nowhere near overtaking the US in either force projection, economic independence, or soft power/political influence, but if we don't sort our shit out, the definitely will eventually.
I'm not worried about muh Chinese 21st century, I'm worried about the century after that. If we keep getting consumed by identity politics and multiculturalism, we'll be as authoritarian as the chinks are in a few decades with a culture not geared towards making the tough decisions we'll need to make.
>>59816602
From a strategic point of view, having closer ties with Cuba and Vietnam benefits the US. They didn't suddenly become more democratic though. It's similar to how we removed boundaries with China to get cheap goods while they still have child labor, slave wages, lay waste to their environment and have an authoritarian government.
>>59817112
"Butbutbut dem Veetcong shot off mah dick. Dat Obama's a traytor I tells ya!"
>>59817118
>commie said that they'd invade us if Impeachment happened
Are you talking about Venezuela or domestic gommies?
>>59817287
Venezuela, Bolivia etc...
Commies here are too much of pussies to start a armed conflict.
>>59817308
>Commies here are too much of pussies to start a armed conflict.
Same here thankfully. Unfortunately, lefties/commies in democratic countries are becoming shockingly okay with using any and all totalitarian means to silence people that disagree with them.
Not a fan tbhfam
>>59817308
You guys could pretty easily take on the country with no toilet paper and the country with only cocaine. Hell Venezuela would probably think of it like a liberation.
>>59807961
They need as many SEA allies against China as they can get
>>59817409
They're on a verge of a civil war. More easy (and profitable) to sell some equipment to the good side.
>>59817507
You mean all sides
>>59817642
Yes...
>>59817824
Perfidious as fuck
>>59817856
And it boosted our air-to-air missile program a bit.
>>59817894
top kek
You're all right brazilbro
>>59817986
T-Thanks...
>>59807961
I was about to make this post you fucking nigger
Also yay, more guns in the upcoming Chink WW3
>>59818110
Allies?
>>59818085
>>59818192
>>59816965
Literally redneck faggots, who the fuck in south east Asia want to be the chink's best friend? (Save for Lao and Cambo)
>>59818187
Yes bby
>>59818363
t-thanks
>>59818307
That's what happens when you're a goober who drives a pickup truck and only went to school to the 10th grade and you grew up hearing your Uncle Jed talk about the gonorrhea he contracted in Saigon back in the day and how hippies spit on him when he came back.
The other hilarious thing on the Fox News page was this one comment "What's the point of selling Vietnam arms anyway? If the Chinese decide to invade the place, there's nothing we can do to stop them just like we can't do anything to stop Putin from annexing Ukraine."
Do these people know the vaguest thing about international politics?
>>59818455
Shit mang, sometime its feel like Murricans land is 90% conservative rednecks with a trimming of 9% PC liberal cucks and 1% civilised people
>>59818587
Where I live it's about 90 percent liberal PCbros and 10 percent stealth conservatives hiding out in the OC and Silicon Valley
>>59818571
No.
>>59815383
The US never propped up China though, US companies paved the way but most of it would have happened regardless albeit with Taiwan/Korea/Japan offloading tech/auto manufacturing.
Exports to the west right now has decreased to a third of their total exports since other regions/continents started opening up trade. In particular is the "Maritime Silk Road" with central/south asia alongside increasing its trade with ASEAN.
This is why Obama is very adamant about TPP since it particularly excludes China and will prevent China from dominating asian trade and setting the rules of international trade.
>>59818571
To be fair fampai, the rednecks got a point, we are pretty much just a door stopper in front of the tide of flesh that is Chinkna's force. Couple thousand dudes with guns aren't gonna stop them, that's why we need to burry the hatchet and stick with Murrica
These are dire hours
>>59818696
>These are dire hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDT3_jVYAkI
>>59818455
>>59818639
gook or dothead pls go back to your home country
>>59818639
Extreme "Don't appropriate my culture, SHITLORD" or "saying nigga is r00d" PC?
>>59818696
Forgetting though that China got their hineys kicked in 1979 by a couple of militia and farmers with pitchforks and didn't even face the regular army of Vietnam?
>>59818307
Wait, Vietnam has internet? Where did you get that? Put it back where you found it.
>>59818763
Both
It sucks to listen to their drivel
>>59818752
On point
>>59818227
STOP
>>59818763
>>59818587
Hey Nguyen, I'm a white american that wants to move to Saigon and teach Engrish, and defile your women. My father is a Vietnam vet, and I need to honor him through revenge of defiling your females.
But seriously, how is teaching in your country? Is it dancing white monkey shit like in China and Korea?
>>59816498
Russia would never join NATO you are deluding yourself. NATO was built to specifically contain the eastern bloc, and sees itself as largely there to contain Russia.
Russian national policy is inherently defensive since they are ingrained with the idea that the West will invade again since it did five times already.
>>59818771
Fampai, if you've been paying attention to some of the arms deals the chinks have made then you'll find that no longer the case
Comparing to us, we got a couple IWI Tavor 21 and some dinky old Russian subs from the latest deal, and that was couple years back
Honestly I'm a bit of a Vietboo, so for me this is good news.
Fuck the Chinks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqq1bCraBBI
Mongol Army.
>>59818901
its $20 usd per hour if you have a degree and get the right certification.
also be competent since they really don't want retards and fire terrible teachers (IE philipinos) since you aren't under contract.
>>59818901
Teach what exactly fampai? If it's English then you can take it easy cause I've seen backpackers as sub teachers before. And nah, our education is full on hardcore 'n shits.
As for defiling women, Mo money Mo problems
Also, Nguyen isn't super popular here, that's only for the Charlie aboard
>>59818946
>Russia would never join NATO you are deluding yourself
Putin explicitly asked to join NATO and was turned down.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2008-06-30/putins-labyrinth
>>59819012
rude
>>59819165
Am i wrong?
>>59819037
A Canucks is answering a question for an actual Vietnamese
It's a mad house! A mad house!
>>59819140
This is one speculative article in bloomberg. Russia still sees NATO as a threat, rightfully, and have opposed NATO membership of bordering states in 2004 and 1997.
Bloomberg tends to twist the narrative, but this wasn't a serious proposal anyways. It was more of a gesture.
>>59819560
>By the beginning of 2000 the NATO expansion was well under way. Putin met with President Bill Clinton, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, and National Security Adviser Samuel Berger, and floated a question: What would be the West's attitude toward Russia's applying to join NATO? Putin was serious, according to Viktor. He saw dual benefits to NATO membership: Russia could integrate more tightly with the West, and, more important from Moscow's point of view, have an opportunity to "reform" the Cold War-era organization from within. Like the other 19 NATO members, Moscow would wield a veto. Among other things, it could stop the alliance from repeating acts Russia opposed, such as the bombing of Serbia.
>As Viktor recalled the strained moment, Berger suddenly found a fly on the window to be extremely intriguing. Albright looked straight ahead. Clinton glanced at his advisers and finally responded with a diplomatically phrased brush-off. It was something on the order of, If it were up to me, I would welcome that.
It could have happened
>>59818967
Bakka gaijin
>>59818804
On sword point
>>59818858
Cmere baby
>>59818771
That was when China still went for mass-conscription armies, IE the type of armies you fight cold wars with and have divisional-level commanding rather than regiments.
China has now almost fully modernized into a combined-arms professional military similar to other developed countries. Its a lot more threatening and capable.
>>59819854
t. Chang Xiong
>>59808360
It wasn't capability that caused us to lose it was that we neutered ourselves. If we didn't care about human lives (which the enemy hardly ever does) we would desolate entire countries
>>59819680
honestly, you need to understand russian history and national policy mentality to know this would never be serious.
otherwise NATO would literally just be disbanded and have almost no use anymore since NATO has rarely been used outside of Europe.
>>59819921
During the 90s, Russia was actually pretty friendly towards the West. It was when NATO first started expanding that Russia got all butthurt. Then the intervention in Yugoslavia happened, and it was all downhill from there.
>>59812377
based chinks and niggers
>>59816019
We may have said some thing back in the day, that we might have said in the heat of moment.
>>59819890
Nope, I just follow international politics closely.
International politics will just be a game plaid out by the US, Russia, China with secondary decisions by Germany-France, India and Japan.
Really, only the US and China has any possibility of becoming the global hegemonic power at that.
>>59816498
>Letting Russia into an alliance designed with the original purpose of checking Russian power.
Wew lad.
It would never work, Russia's foreign policy goals are too much in conflict with the west.
>>59819953
This isn't true at all. They were promised that NATO wouldn't expand into former warsaw pact areas and got pissed it did.
And they were openly defiant towards one another during the Yugoslav wars. Just that Yeltsin was too drunk to have Putin-level political skills.
>>59814655
Don't worry Polebro we still like you. Poland is BASED
>>59820061
Its pretty weird, Russian foreign policy is defensively oriented, IE make sure no-one is encroaching on your backyard.
The same with NATO-EU, they fear Russians will encroach on theirs except this now also includes Baltic/Eastern European states.
>>59820033
w-what about the uk
>>59811612
'scool
>>59820163
they have a truly pathetic political system.
its basically latch onto america's coat-tails. they aren't ever independent in their policy making and lack any political push. if america sells weapons to the saudis, they sell weapons, if america embargoes, they embargo, etc.
they chose not to get close and become an equal member of the France-Germany partnership which pretty much defines EU foreign policy, and pretends to be an equal partner with the US.
>>59807961
Oh please.
America can take China down alone. We're that damn powerful.
It isn't about how powerful America is
It is about what America makes other countries do
>>59820033
Somehow I seem to remember seeing this troll before...
>>59821091
>buy our guns and oppose China
>or we'll have the CIA install a government that will
Not that hard
>>59819914
>If we didn't care about human lives (which the enemy hardly ever does) we would desolate entire countries
We are the one's who are supposed to set a good example for the world. That means not indiscriminately killing people. We are morally obligated to limit the war to combatants and even then to attempt to limit the scale of the war and keep casualties to a minimum.
There is no good reason to wipe out an entire country.
>>59821200
>There is no good reason to wipe out an entire country.
Tell that to the Chinese when they obliterate India.
>>59821173
>or we'll have the CIA install a government that will
Because that totally worked the last time :^)
>>59821446
Shh, little colony. Duterte knows what we can do
>>59814554
We have some of the best missile defense systems. Patriot rockets, and the Israeli dome is basically American missiles and some of their own tech, which we could borrow in an emergency.
You talk as if we can't set EMPs on them as well.
You talk as if China and Russia have some missile defense system that we don't have. They are just as vulnerable to all those things you mentioned if not more.
Also, we are talking about a COLD WAR here.
>>59815964
You guys can compare the size of the armies as much as you can.
A Sino-American war would be decided in the sea.
The USN would feed the sharks chinese food all day long.
>>59821200
I'm not saying there is I'm just saying that's the mentality that will lose wars
>>59821586
>A Sino-American war would be decided in the sea.
>The USN would feed the sharks chinese food all day long.
Feels good
>>59815633
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>>59815480
Britain benefitted tremendously from India's richest.
Our military bases are more of a burden than anything. They do keep our logistics and global presence in order, but if we couldn't afford it anymore, that would mean money that can be spend in the US. We wouldn't lose access to the European or Indian market, or anything like that.
Very different situations.
>>59821200
We can't set any sort of example when we are seen as weak militarily
>>59817121
Stealing tech, can only get you so far.
Technology only works when you have the entire combo together.
US technology wouldn't always be fit for the Chinese for many reasons, from the cost of each unit to our military doctrine that may not be beneficiary to them.
>>59815659
KEK.
Not even I bought that.
>>59817000
Dude, it isn't like the US will cease to exist.
The brits were the dominating power for a period similar to that of the US.
We became the economic power in 1890, and the military power in 1945. Just because we will have a rival soon, doesn't mean that we will cease to exist.
The US still has a long way to go, and history will remember the US for its centuries of dominance and power.
>>59816633
During WWII, Mexico, Colombia, and most Latin American countries sided with the allies, and the same happened during the Cold war.
Worst Case scenario, China will turn into a regional power, and the US will have to lessen its presence in east Asia.
But the US will continue to control the western Hemisphere for centuries on end. So you better get in line. You are not off the Hook any time soon.
>>59821637
its why they built entire harbors from reefs and installed anti-air, anti-ship missiles and jet fighters.
this is why the US needs land-based allies with harbours and good AA weapons. it will cancel out their immobile carrier strategy while also giving the ability to block their sea-lanes.
>>59821825
The US has missiles on Guam designed to blow those artificial islands to pieces in the event of war. Thousands of missiles. And unlike a carrier, those islands can't dodge.
>>59821775
brits were militarily irrelevant at the end of ww2. they were already outmatched by germany long before but lost its ability to maintain an overseas empire.
china is literally blocked out by ryuku and south-east asia, which has already started to form a coalition to contain them. they won't be able to project a naval empire. this is the reason why china is trying to break the 9-dotted line, it can give them overseas capabilities.
>>59821825
The US can take the South China sea any day, but even if we did not manage to do so.
All we need is to secure the Indian ocean, the Malacca strait to pretty much blockade Chinese ports from any Arabic Oil.
Iranian Oil can be kept out from US forces in Afghanistan. China has no change really.
>>59821928
They've got Russia and the new Silk Road.
>>59821928
Forgot pic.
Even if they managed to take control of the South China sea. It would put all them in danger of bombardment.
>>59821948
>The New silk road.
Most International trade is seaborne.
The silk road would work if Europe was on their side, which isn't going to be.
The Ruskies have a shit economy, and it can be made worse by sanctions. Sure, China could still get some oil and stuff from the Russians, but won't be enough to put an efficient resistance of battle against the US.
>>59821881
honestly, conflicts especially this one won't even be fought.
it will be the two countries posturing themselves into a stronger position. its kinda like a judo competition or a chess match. you don't hurt your opponent, but you put yourself into a position to deliver a win.
denial of sea-lanes and the ability to project power is very important here.
>>59821966
Anything that helps put China in check.
>>59822030
China can easily be blockaded.
>>59821928
yeah this is why china is literally trying to build a bangladesh-pakistan corridor.
but countries usually have 60-90 days of petroleum reserves, and i guarantee you no modern super-power conflict will last more than a week or its all nuclear.
>>59822067
No it wouldn't.
I doubt any military conflict short of an Invasion would spark a nuclear war.
If you had American troops invading Hong Kong and preparing for an attack on Beijing, then I can see a nuclear strike happening.
But I don't see it happening over something like that. China wouldn't blow itself up for the South china sea.
>>59822045
>>59822045
yeah that's precisely why china is moving towards spratlys. they okinawan islands completely deny them an eastern passage.
if spratlys are taken without pissing off indonesia/malaysia, they can effectively leverage an empire. if it isn't they are back to being a landlocked country.
this is a very interesting game the powers are playing.
>>59822127
if missiles are launched from guam towards spratlys they are going to go the other way. this will literally be less than a day.
if it escalates to blockading ports it can heat up pretty quickly to nuclear.
the blockade of cuba during the missile crisis and a soviet nuclear submarine getting depth-charged almost triggered nuclear war since the russian sub was on orders to launch if attacked. prior to this there was literally 0 direct military actions.
you underestimate how fucked national nuclear policy is. its basically in the moment of open armed conflict its all nuclear.
>>59822188
South east asia is full of straights and is a very dense region where trade can easily be stopped.
The biggest opening that they have towards open waters is the small gap south of Taiwan or taiwan itself if they ever manage to take it.
The Chinese are still very vulnerable to blockade no matter how many small islands they manage to take.
The US has two huge Oceanic coasts right towards open water. No obstacles whatsoever.
>>59822286
There was no "no first use" policy at the time.
Nuclear weapons have become huge boogey monster since the cold war. No nation would dare use it unless their existence is in jeopardy.
The Chinese would not be the first, and neither would the Americans.
You may be right, but I have a little more faith on International treaties. I shouldn't really, but I somewhat trust the Chinese not to fuck it all up.
>>59811667
This
>>59811726
Why does it need to be stopped?
>>59811820
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>>59822035
Taking the bait
>>59822188
Why does this leave out Taiwan's claims? Them and the PRC have the same claims.
Oh wait. It is an American ally and that would make them look bad. Can't have that in the Western media. No no no.
>>59822398
did someone summon us?
oh look, a mainlander is US, how precious.
So let me get this straight
1. It was loosened in 2007 and 2012 already.
2. Viets can't afford 98% of what we sell, and bought nothing the last 10 years.
3. It's approved case-by-case in Congress. So with Republicans in charge none will be approved.
4. It makes the VCP (Vietnam's Commies) popular and look like they are being anti-China even though the deal is meaningless and China even congragulated it.
5. Vietnam is now going to have Commies ruling it like China for 50 more years.
So what did America gain? Why is this even being discussed? The Vietnamese are not going to fight China. They have no allies. All this does is allow the pro-China VCP to stay in power and be more popular.
>>59822459
Taiwan please save us, the PRC zergs are all over the fucking place, god damn I can't stand those street-shitting fucks any longer
>>59822459
>le everyone who disagrees with me is X nationality
Go fuck off Chink scum. Taiwan has the exact same bogus claims as China.
The same 9 dash line. The same Daiyou/Senkaku islands claim. The same claim on Tibet.
Just because I point out facts, and how they are cunningly left unannounced, does not make me your boogeyman.
>>59822489
Nothing. This is just barack and
>MUH LEGACY
He is playing a huge gamble of bringing our enemies closer by warming relations.
I just hope this doesn't bite our ass in the future.
>>59819914
Maybe they dont care about their lifes cuz you are the ones invading THEIR country? Didnt think about that did you?
>>59822506
>make up max 4% of Canada as of 2011 census
>HURDUR THEY'RE EVERYWHERE HAUSNWJSJDJS DXNKDKSHABA I AM A RETARDED BIGOT FROM /pol/
>>59822518
I don't get Taiwan, really. Why do they still hold to the Idea of them being Chinese.
I get that choosing independence is a bit hard right now, but if I was a taiwanese leader I would jump the Chinese ship as soon as I can.
Developing an independent nation and identity is, in my opinion, the best thing for Taiwan.
>>59815921
>china
>war
Implying they can unfuckthemselves long enough to not genocide half their population like they do in every war, to put up an actually fight against the U.S.A
>>59822542
t. Chang
>>59822328
honestly the more important game is controlling airspace, not direct naval actions. islands stacked with surface to air missiles are more important in this case.
regardless, south of taiwan they are still effectively blocked in by island chains controlled by the philippines. there are also pretty open talks between japan and the phillipines on naval/air sales and cooperation.
airspace and naval passage is incredibly important to national strategy. russia took crimea and invaded the baltics repeatedly, since they didn't want to be denied ports.
the same with taiwan, its literally their only lifeline to open ocean without getting blocked by 150km radius of AA.
>>59812377
Where's the U.K, Canada and Australia on this list
>>59822532
It shows how weak America has become when we have to suck off dictators and authoritarians to make new """"friends"""".
The Commies of Vietnam are the most pro-China group in Vietnam. They literally copy China like China copied the USSR.
Everything about their system, the censorship, the silencing of dissedents, the 98% turnout for their elections, and the massive blatant corruption are all fucking Communist characteristics.
America gained nothing from this. Unless we have an alliance with Vietnam (which would be so fucking retarded because Vietnam is disliked by many of our allies), we gain nothing.
Obama's foreign policy is to try being nice to dictators and Communists. He hopes that will make them moderate.
Well look at Russia. Look at China. Look at Iran. Look at Syria. Look at Iraq. Look at Libya.
Great fucking job Obama.
>>59822564
Or they could keep the status quo and not die.
I wonder which is the smart choice.
>>59822574
(You)
>>59822582
Facts can hurt.
>>59822635
It doesn't really.
We have been siding with questionable regimes for a good part of history just to contain and keep our enemies from any chance of becoming a threat to us.
This is intended to counter China and nothing else. It benefits the American Arms manufacturer, and will help us form a solid anti-Chinese front.
>>59815575
India was profitable. Most of the others were not. They only existed to help protect India or for refueling to get to India.
>>59822670
>this level of PRC shilling
top fucking kek
yeah, you're definitely not a Chang alright
>>59818778
They've always been on here. There was a really strong Vietnam presence here like 5 years ago.
>>59822374
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov#Involvement_in_Cuban_Missile_Crisis
this is how close it was. the guy was smart enough to not follow orders and fuck up the world.
honestly, kennedy and gang were fucking maniacs who were playing chicken with the USSR. both sides were installing missiles near each other and ready to fuck each other up (US in turkey, cuba obviously russian). assuming a cold-war level conflict escalates, this can very well trigger war.
right now no it won't because presidents are no-longer as trigger happy but you never know.
>>59822670
I know. They have it hard now, but I'm saying that they could have done this sometime in the 60s or 70s when China was weak.
Maybe in the future, they could find an opportunity to do it. I'm just saying that as soon as they can, they should do it.
Not now, obviously.
A nigger sells some guns big whoop
>>59822687
So we admit that China is a threat? If you have to ally with questionable nations, it shows how far America has fallen since 1992-2012.
Don't even say Vietnam is "questionable". It's literally China 2.0
A commie shithole run by the most pro-China group in Vietnam.
What's hilarious is that a very similar decision we made with China in 1971 to contain the Soviets, and 1992 for trade, has led to this very necessity to ally with China 2.0
>Vietnam
>Solid anti-China
Uhh no. Unless we forge a retarded alliance with them they are literally not fighting China or opposing it directly.
We should improve ties with the Flips, Taiwanese, Koreans, and Malaysians. Not the Commies.
>>59822374
yeah right now there's too much cooperation and trade. but don't forget that prior to world war one trade and relations were quite close too.
and we are dealing with hypotheticals were naval blockades becomes an option as well as missile launches from 1000s of kms away in this thread. it very well might be a nuclear conflict.
What would a strike on the Three Gorges Dam do? I don't really know much about Chinese geography
>>59822705
Facts hurt Mr. Cucked leaf.
You have no argument.
I could be fucking Xi Jinping and you'd still be wrong.
You're only means of justifying your existence is to try degrading anonymous posters on a Cambodian cave painting board.
>>59822770
>So we admit that China is a threat? If you have to ally with questionable nations, it shows how far America has fallen since 1992-2012.
We've always allied with less than savory nations. It happened during the Cold War, and after.
>What's hilarious is that a very similar decision we made with China in 1971 to contain the Soviets, and 1992 for trade, has led to this very necessity to ally with China 2.0
History repeats
>>59822716
Even the pro-Independence Tsai won't risk losing the American alliance.
I wonder if her hipster supporters knew she was Ma in disguise.
>>59822635
Your wrongness is palpable.
The Vietnamese have hated the Chinese for CENTURIES and have no desire to cozy up to a nation that they know would overwhelm and snuff out their culture. This is bigger than your inane 50 year old commie/capitalist ideology perspective and gets into good, old-fashioned fear of being consumed by a foreign culture.
>>59822770
We already have good ties with all of those.
No matter how strong the Viets become, they will never pose a threat to the US. Their country is not big, and not populous at all.
China has become a threat due to their rise to global prominence, not due to US weakness.
I personally think the US was the strongest somewhere in the late 90s, and we have become weaker, but nowhere near as weak as in the 50s or pre-WWII.
