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Can someone tell me about the Armenian genocide?

What was it? Why do some people say it's a lie?
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>>59678476
>Why do some people say it's a lie?
because they are slimy T*rks
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>>59678476
Armenians got genocided. About 1.5 million died 1916-1919 of only 3 million.

Turks are key to NATO and the EU so they can deny it without consequence.
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>awaiting incoming t*rkroach butthurt
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>>59678476
You didn't learn about it in school?
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>>59678621
They are busy at chatroulette at the moment.
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>>59678476
What genocide?
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>>59678638
No??

We went through World history up until about the Renaissance and did a little on the industrial revolution.

We went through American history up until about the beginning of the 20th century. We didn't cover anything past that because it becomes too politicized at that point. Although we went over major technological discoveries until the modern day, but that was supplementary.

Of course I always sucked at History, quite possibly my worst subject
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>>59678663
i guess they better have fun before king roach shuts down their internet and imposes sharia law
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>>59678701
>Of course I always sucked at History, quite possibly my worst subject
thats because the course left out actually interesting and relevant things
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>>59678476
It happened.But not like between germans-jews . All armenians in anatolia (except Istanbul) forced to move to Syria and lebanon . The reason was they were revolting in the middle of the war for their state with a major help from Russia. The military mostly killed the men who were part of the revolt but I'm sure a lot of non-rebels killed as well . Woman and children casulties mostly done by kurdish tribe chiefs and bandits because armenians were considerably rich.I've met one guy who's grandpa was a governor of Diyarbakır(kurdish province) at that time . He said the tigris river was running red because of dead armenian bodies and bloods.And the numbers are false . 700.000 armenians were forced to move. Not like 1.5/3 million.
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>>59678766
Yeah there was too much memorizing dates and stuff especially in American History.

We learned about Lewis and Clark exploring the West, the Louisiana purchase and the war of 1812. We learned about good Ol' Eli Whitney and the Cotton Gin, we learned about the battles fought in the Revolutionary war and the political struggles of the time. We learned about how the Civil War was started, and how the balance of power shifted due to the north's technology advantage.

Stuff like that. Good old American history.

World History was more interesting. Our courses actually started with the tribes of Mesopotamia and went on into greek then roman then the Middle Ages and finally into the Renaissance. Very broad strokes, talking about the major events only.
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>>59678863
My main topic towards the end of high school covered the last of the Romanovs, then WW1, Weimar Germany, and the rise of Hitler up until 1939.
Have never studied US history, and I still kinda know what happened.
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>>59678983
The thing is in America the two political parties battle back and forth over what should be in the textbooks.

The liberals want to depict the unionization movement in the 1900's as some sort of glorious awakening of humanity. Basically saying the unions were what ended the slave wage jobs and the smelly dirty factories. Also they want to touch on how horribly the natives were treated and how we genocided them because we're so evil

The conservatives want to talk all about the Constitution and the exploration of the dangerous West. And of course the patriotism of the wars and stuff like that. They depict the early explorers as heroes in a savage land.

I was told by my teacher that the reason we didn't do more recent topics was because they were too political.
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>>59678983
Oh yeah, and we learn almost nothing about other countries.
They're basically seen as inferior, or at least that's the impression I got all through school. Like invalid children that we take care of because we're nice

We did go into some stuff about the revolutions in Europe around the time of the Revolutionary War, and it talks about how America started it all
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>>59678814
Good to see you're posting the actual events and not just flat out denying it

I'm Armenian and I don't believe it was the same as what happened to the Jews in Germany, however an interesting note is that the kurds were armed by the Ottoman government. Whether their goal was to kill women and children too or to just act as mercenaries against the rebels is something out of my scope of knowledge.
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>>59679319
Kurds were probably the least armed muslim nationality by the Ottomans for that time . Because they were well armed before the war (tribe system.They were autonomous in that region) and our main cause is arming the pro-turk arabs . But when the news came to Turks that the armenian people were attacked by kurdish tribes and bandits , they simply looked the other side.
Btw where are your grandparents from ? Most of armenian american people I've met are from Adana :)
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>>59679586
>Btw where are your grandparents from?

Maternal grandparents are from Lebanon and paternal grandparents are from Syria. My paternal great grandparents were from Turkey (haven't asked what region though) which is why my dad spoke fluent Turkish among other languages.
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>>59679681
When I was in a cab in LA , driver understood that I'm speaking Turkish.I asked him how he knew Turkish so well and he told me that most our grandparents know turkish and they teached us.And they were really nice to me except one armenian I've met.
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>>59678476
It was supposedly in today Turkey (the at the time dying Ottoman empire) during the first world war. As any genocide it is denied by those who may have (or are claimed to have done it) because almost no one would want to be known for such a crime.
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>>59679764
>he told me that most our grandparents know turkish and they teached us.

Yeah it's true, that's why my dad knew it so well because it was the only language his grandparents knew

Most Armenians are pretty okay with Turks, my neighbor even watches Turkish movies and shows all the time. There are some of us who hate all Turks and want to start a war and whatnot. I used to be like that when I was a kid but I grew up and got over it when I realized that modern day Turkish people had nothing to do with it and are just normal people. We have more in common with eachother than we have differences so it doesn't make sense to keep fanning the flames of hatred.
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>>59679978
This.When I met those guys I told you , I feel like they are more fellow countryman than american. We are like each other and that tension between two nations needs to stop .
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>>59678814
I assume you are far west coastal Turk.

Because most Turks I've met IRL deny it outright and it's very touchy. Not just the autists on 4chan.
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>>59680083
I'm actually from central anatolia . Anyone interested in history and read it from the actual sources has the same opinion about this . But if you have no clue about it and your historical knowledge comes from youtube videos and fanatic guys , the result is same for the both sides.
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>>59680044
>We are like each other and that tension between two nations needs to stop

I agree, our leaders can hate eachother as much as they want, especially since Turkey sides with NATO and Armenia with Russia, but that's all just politics to me.

It's more valuable for me to have friends from a similar culture than to just have more enemies. We have enough enemies and conflict in the world without adding politics into our daily lives. Let them play chess, we as people should be at peace with eachother.
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>>59680178
That is very true armenian bro.But unfortunately things are complicated right now because azerbaycan-armenia conflict.
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>>59678476
NEVER HAPPENED
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>>59680293
>unfortunately things are complicated right now because azerbaycan-armenia conflict

Yeah I heard the conflict started back up again, and horrible things are happening on both sides. I blame the soviet union and their horrible borders for this though.

I hope it will end sooner and won't be as bloody as last time
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>>59678476
just a bullshit invented by UK.
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>>59679764
>teached
Yeah well they didn't teach you English though.
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>>59678476
Is it just me or is there something calming about a woman's cleavage?
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>>59678476
the thing is there are comprehensive evidence on the turkish side that enforces the idea that the armenians were never "meant" to be killed

basically the shills, sellouts, plebs and peasants are arguing with extremes while the intellectual elite has understood that this issue is political and that it is more about how we assert the term genocide.

The turkish side has a lot of evidence suggesting that systematic genocide was never intended, the armenians mainly work on the concept that it was intended but not officially ordered/propagated. tldr you cannot coin in genocide if you cannot prove it to have been conducted systematically, and this is where the turks have the upper hand.

nobody slightly invested in history would deny that the armenians were killed en masse, including turkish historians. it all comes down to how and why.

and then there are political incentives that make it difficult for turkey to ever accept it as a genocide even with the amount of lobbying and international pressure (they've recently started funding their own propagandists and began lobbying as well)

some reasons:

armenia wants recompensation, mostly monetary. some land claims too but this is unrealistic and retarded tbqf

azerbaycan-armenia conflict. if turkey accepts the genocide azerbaycanis might feel betrayed (they're equally invested in the anti-genocide bloc as turkey is atm, and armenia is a far greater enemy to them than they are to turkey)

this whole "genocide denial" shit has given birth to some toxic abominations and cancerous branches of imbeciles who seek identity through "being genocided" like assyrians and greeks, who wish to be elevated to the same level of self-pity as armenian nationalists.

as a turk i have nothing against armenian people, it's all fucking politics and i refuse to be a pawn who gets affected by rhetoric intended for elementary school dropouts
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>>59678621
One of my high school teachers was Turkish and she insisted that Turkey was in Europe.

All Turks, I've met claim to be Europeans. KEK
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>>59681384
>All Turks, I've met claim to be Europeans.
>autist fabricating real life experiences
i can as a turk tell you that im 100% sure you are full of shit
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>>59680901
Sorry for not being a cucked colonial region like you . It would improve my English :(
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>>59678476
Literally the worst genocide ever
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>>59680901

Kek
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>>59681607
>Posting on a website made by an American
>calling others cucks
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>>59681557
I'm not.
I've met 3-4 turks, and I always ask.
They always say that Turkey is part of Europe.
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>>59681687

Turk here.
Yes we are European.

What else?
In other words, Europe belongs to us. You'll see. Erdogan will lead us.
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>>59681687
they are retarded then i dont know what to tell you.

even overly leftist european wannabe faggot turks understand they are not european by now

i guess the diasporas need more time.

unless they were western turks and claimed to be genetically more european than ME/turkic, in which case they are probably right.
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>>59681607
And now look where they are, regional power, nuclear power, space power soon to be a superpower while Turkey has stagnated for the past hundred years and will remain shit for the remainder of it's existance, lol.
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>>59678476
Because its a lie. A lot of armenian died but it wasnt a genocide. There were some Armenian gangs in ottoman and for local people's safety armenians forced to move. And ottoman assigned bodyguards to protect armenians while they were moving to syria. But some kurdish gangs attacked armenians and killed lots of them, thats why people call it 'genocide'
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>>59681800
existence*
>And now look where they are, regional power, nuclear power, space power
people are dying from dhiarrhea and leprosy in India. The last case of bubonic plague was discovered in India like a few years ago. they still have the caste system (unofficially, ofc) and are generally known for their unparalleled barbarity and corruption. sure they do a few things to appear like a superpower/western nation but they're just a shitty version of China. A nation that bred like rabbits and have endless natural resources coupled with huge swathes of land cannot be compared to a country like Turkey. It's like comparing Belgium with Russia.

Also just be silent while your ex-colonies colonize you baguettecucks. The Arabo-Negro alliance will continue where Napoleon left off :DDD
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just banter m8, no biggie
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>>59681800
%10 of their population don't have a toilets :)
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Lol, nobody gives a shit about Armenia, quite frankly I doubt anyone especially in the first world would be able to know where Armenia is, how Armenian sounds, or how does their flag looks or why does it look like it does.

People dont like turks, it's that simple.
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>>59678476
read these here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batak_massacre
its the same story with armenians
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>>59681937
>ottoman assigned bodyguards to """""""""""protect""""""""""' armenians
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>>59681984
Keep living in your fantasy world my roach friend
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>>59682063
>My father in law went to meet the Bashi-Bazouk when the village was surrounded by the men of Ahmet Aga, who said that he wanted all the arms laid down. Trendafil went to collect them from the villagers. When he surrendered the arms, they shot him with a gun and the bullet scratched his eye. Then I heard Ahmet Aga command with his own mouth for Trendafil to be impaled and burnt. The words he used were "Shishak aor" which is Turkish for "to put on a skewer (as a shish kebab). After that, they took all the money he had, undressed him, gouged his eyes, pulled out his teeth and impaled him slowly on a stake, until it came out of his mouth. Then they roasted him while he was still alive. He lived for half-an-hour during this terrible scene

what the fuck
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>>59681937
Ok, let's say that Armenian genocide never happened (even tho I dont think this), what about massacres all over Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia and so on? Were all of these too caused by "local gangs" and turks just "assigned bodyguards" and "protected" local population?

No, it's much more likely turks killed civilians like they always do, because they are disgusting savages.
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>>59682021
>a toilets
Please turkey don't embarrasse yourself anymore.
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>>59682169
turks now trying to deny all these and saying they have only presence as some kind of "rulers" here
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>>59682309
They weren't Turks tho

>They succeeded to eliminate part of the Ottoman leaders, but were reported to the authorities and 5,000 Bashi-bazouk were sent, mainly Pomaks (Slavic Muslims), led by Ahmet Aga from Barutin which surrounded the town

>Pomaks (Bulgarian: Пoмaци/Pomatsi, Greek: Πομάkοι/Pomákoi, Turkish: Pomaklar) is a term used for Slavic Muslims inhabiting Bulgaria, northeastern Greece and northwestern Turkey,[8] mainly referring to the ca. 220,000 strong[9] ethno-confessional minority in Bulgaria known officially as Bulgarian Muslims

basically slavs led under Turks
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>>59682223
>embarrass
>embarr ass
>ember ass
This is what eating curry does to you
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>>59682063
>this whole "genocide denial" shit has given birth to some toxic abominations and cancerous branches of imbeciles who seek identity through "being genocided" like assyrians and greeks, who wish to be elevated to the same level of self-pity as armenian nationalists.

seems like more betas are joining the ranks

we should have forcibly converted and assimilated the balkans thoroughly. who would've thought that a band of gypsys could form such a nationalist identity, rofl

>>59682099
i actually like france, why do you hate turkey again?

>The words he used were "Shishak aor" which is Turkish for "to put on a skewer (as a shish kebab).

shishak aor means nothing in turkish/old turkish/ottoman turkish

"şişa koy" (shisha koy) is probably what he allegedly said. means "put shisha (on him/them)"
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>>59682402
well they were ottomans, ottomans using janissaries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries

and mainly were turks, pomaks were so small in count cause bulgarians mainly prefer to die than become muslims, its also described in our folklore, thats why we are still christians
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>>59682496
you are still christians because there were no active attempts by the sublime porte to try and convert the balkans. early ottomans had a christian majority and it was to their advantage because of the jizya taxation system. there was nothing to be gained from forcibly converting the balkans, you people are fed lies since childhood it's a fucking tragedy (and yes, i've seen your movies, that are the main source of historical """""knowledge"""""" in bulgaria).
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>Brown people killing brown people
Good 2bh
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>>59682444
denial of crimes of your animal ancenstors make you not only beta, it makes you criminal and possibly terrorist by trying be as they were In fact you should be jailed but no wonder as EU lets trojan roaches as you to pretend be victims.
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>>59682213
kosovo is albanian :DDDD
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>>59682213
well, what im saying is lots of turk died because of those armenian gangs and ottoman had to do something about it, im not saying it was a good idea but it was necessary. of course there were some turks who hated them and killed them. Tbh i dont care if ottoman did it or not, 'genocide' happened at the shittiest era of ottoman so it might be true, but ottoman was an empire that contains lots of race and being racist would completely destroy the empire
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>>59679586
Well, I guess this is the closest we'll get to a non biased Turk. You still got the thing with the Kurds but whatever. Good on you lad, congrats on so far being the least autistic Turk on the board.
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>>59682619
>no active attempts by the sublime
so pomaks, jannisaries etc was not attempt? Really? Why are these pathetic lies?
So you denying that Albania was not muslim before ottoman caliphate?
keep lying i would watch you at some jail at the end after some attempt of the achmed the failed terrorist.
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lets say it was a genocide, still its like saying all germans are genociders because of hitler. even tho jewish genocide happened in german and armenian genocide "happened" in ottoman which is different country from turkey
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>>59682734
It's just extremely unlikely that "kurds did everything bad" and "turks dindu nuffin" while there are countless examples of turks doing all kinds of sick shit, so its kind of silly for anyone who isnt taught by erdogan to believe such extremely improbable stories.

>>59682833
Difference is, nobody likes turks while some still like Germans.
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>>59682681
>90% of country consist of gypsys
>talks about ancestry proudly defending their faith by choosing death over forced conversion
>doesn't realize the ottomans were cashing in on christian minorities and considered them a lucrative fiscal and also military asset
>christians paid more tax and their strongest/smartest sons would be taken to become either ministers or killing machines
>still insists on myths and fabrications being facts
>basically an ape on 4chan spamming what his govt has brainwashed him to believe, thinking people support it because they agree, and not because they just want to fuck with turks.
when/if this shitstorm ends, you are going back to the trashcan, ivan, don't ever forget this

now go work in your dad's potato farm and stop shitposting on 4chan

>it makes you criminal and possibly terrorist
the trashcan, ivan, never forget. enjoy it while it lasts
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>>59682850
>Difference is, nobody likes turks while some still like Germans.

23 years in this country and not once have I been treated differently or felt people were even the slightest bit racist against me.
So you can shove that statement back in your ass where it belongs.
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>>59682857
>90% of country consist of gypsys
I stopped to read on the first row. The last major wave of gypsies came to Balkans with Ottomans as their slaves and voluntary servants.
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>>59682819
listen you fucking retard

i know your parents have raised you to believe this shit and that it's supported by your neonazi government

but everyone who disagrees with you is in fact not actually isis

and i know your dad tells you that istanbul is saudi arabia, but i dare you to cross the border just once in your life to expand your boxed worldview.

i'm not your opposition because i'm a turk, i'm telling you you are wrong because you are fucking wrong based on comprehensive historical data and research. you are not discussing with someone representing the opposite side of the same coin of absolute fucking tragic idiocy that you reside in.

go back to commenting on YT ffs
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i think people want to blame turks because they dont want to face with their own mistakes. everyone's talking about how turks killed armenians, no one cares what america did in iraq, or israel killing innocents in palastine or russia bombing innocent people in syria and saying "we're fighting isis"
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>>59683116
lmao this is my 3rd time posting this
nobody likes turks, that's the thing, nobody likes turks
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>>59683207
t. Turkish rapebaby :^)
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>>59683050
>i know your parents
you dont know even your parents
are you pomak slav or gypsy or kurd? Or maybe armenian or albanian?
nah you are just pathetic troll roleplayng isis here
and im giving well know proven international data, not mine own
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>>59683243
t. dutch toilet scrubber shitty minority nobody likes
blue eyes, blond hair, and taller than erdogan
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>>59683207
>nobody likes turks, that's the thing, nobody likes turks
>i dont like turks and based on the sentiments expressed by my 4chan acquaintees i can now conclude that nobody in the entire world likes turks
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>>59682213
They rebelled and they got killed in return. Calling rebels "civils" is legit. No flaws there
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>>59678476
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>>59683292
>posting unflattering internet pictures
>as a turk
lmao, kinda makes you wonder why did they rebel, eh?

>inb4 they rebelled because kurds
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>>59683248
>and im giving well know proven international data, not mine own
lets see
>links to a wiki that claims a commander expressively stated "shipshak aor" and that this should mean "shisha them". the article claims this to be turkish, yet it is not. had it been based on academia, such a basic mistake would surely have been avoided?
>continuing, if we corrected it to "sisa koy", it would still not make a single grain of sense, as the term for impaling/"shishaing" people is "kaziga koy(un)"
>impaling people was literally invented by balkan people
>did anything like this occur, it was most likely balkan ppl doing it to balkan ppl (but here i speculate, and i don't base shit on my own speculations unlike bulgarian degenerates)

you should consider closing this tab. you are taught history with great bias and by angry nationalistic old men, not actual historians, ivan.

you are probably more likely to be isis than i am (if you were born muslim you'd be in syria with that iq)
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>>59683207
no need to be loved. You are loved by Russia yet it didn't help in 1995
>>59683248
this post is really retarded don't
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>>59683292
>killing all
>not genocide
>not doomed to fail
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>>59683248
also,
>i know your parents
well, am i wrong? didn't they encourage you to believe this nonsense? be honest, nobody chooses to be this dumb

and as for my geneaology, it's quite clear, i am a north sea "rum" i.e pontic greek
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>>59683468
Their love for Russia did nothing. Every Russian who came to fight in Bosnia is still there, but 3 feet deep lying beneath the earth.
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>>59683436
you may try to false all and you will fail even harder
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>>59683666
close the tab ivan
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>>59683577
no you are dutch now
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>>59679764
>except one armenian I've met.
periscope'ta los angeles'ta ermenilerle sohbet etmeye başlamak için giriyordum, türk olduğumu anlar anlamaz aşırı agresif olup bana sövüyorlardı, sonra direk engelleniyordum. başta onlara karşı bir önyargım vardı ama bizden gayet nefret ediyorlar. bir de Hocalı olayı da var tabi
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>>59683738
Still shitty to take children from christian families, even if it's only 1 out of 40.
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>>59683738
dont forget west supported ottomans for centuries, ottomans get loans from France, west even stand on their side in Crimean war
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>>59681937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

It's only Turks who claim it wasn't a genocide. The "rest of the world" isn't a homogeneous group. So why can't you convince at least someone that this didn't happen? And no, "not using the term genocide" isn't convincing. No one is coming out and telling the others to stop their bullshit accusations. Everyone knows it's true. Some just want something from your country and keep their mouth shut.

Can you not imagine how stupid this denial thing appears to outsiders? Aren't you embarrassed?
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>>59678476
Turk roaches terminated christians.
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>>59682833

Bad analogy, Osman.

Ain't nobody claiming that the current generation of Turks were involved in the Armenian genocide. The difference between Germany and Turkieyeiye is that you dudes refuse to acknowledge the history.

> and armenian genocide "happened" in ottoman which is different country from turkey
> "happened"
> " "

Yeh, well, current Germany is not Nazi Germany. Not the same "country" basically. Regimes change.

Also, Cyprus.
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>>59683844
As many others said they all hate us regardless of that. Everyone accepts it because it fits their türk hate. They don't really care if it is true or not
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>>59683825
>dont forget west supported ottomans for centuries
we were ally only with france
the rest, literally united against us

>west even stand on their side in Crimean war
thats not because they like us and you know it better

>>59683805
sorry for not using them as slave labor. btw, christians situation (economically) were much better than us
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>>59678476

WW1 went bad for the turks because they wanted to attack the russians in the mountains they lost badly to an entrenched enemy.

They needed something to distract people from the failure so they declared genocide on the Armenians. They murdered them while raping their women, and then decided that wasen't a big deal later on.

It was, they were monsters. But we don't feel bad today because they weren't white.
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>>59683906
Yeah but making them Jannisaries and force them to fight is not really better, even if they had all their material needs seduced....

And forcing people to convert to Islam is unislamic aswell.
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>>59683872
>no one likes the Turks
>The Turks don't like anyone
Turks shouldn't exist imho.
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>>59683963
why not
also its not focing, its raising newborn babies with the way we like
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>>59683889
Bullshit. Stop trying to victimize your country. I don't hate Turkey. I don't anyone hates Turkey simply for being Turkey. It's irrational.
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>>59684020
>I don't think anyone hates Turkey simply for being Turkey.
This shit riles me up way too much. Turkey could be such a based country. Whyyyyyy
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>>59684019
Not newborn babies. Mehmed Pasa Sokolovic from Visegrad was taken as a young boy.
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>>59683872
>brazil
people dont even know brazil except football players.

muh rates:
SA: hate
EU: hate
China: hate
NATO: dislike (we should leave asap)
US: hate
russia: neutral to dislike
iran: neutral
israel: neutral to dislike

im talking about govenments btw, no problem with people
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very informative thread, very good
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>>59684144
>NATO: dislike (we should leave asap)
why tho?
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>>59684093
oh theyre dönme. dont know about dönmes but i dont think you can change persons religion/faith by simply forcing them
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>>59684205
its offensive pact instaed of defensive. we should join russia-china-iran but its seems impossible nowadays so we have to come close with /balkan/ and /turan/ (military)
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>>59684280
>russia-china-iran

well that's one way to fuck up your relation with the entire West
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>>59684019
>also its not focing
ah really?
here what folk song from that time says:

Will you give, you give, Balkandji Jovo,
Beautiful Yana Turkish faith?
-, Voivoda head to give,
Yana not give Turkish faith! -
They cut his both hands
so again ask him and ask him:
- Will you give, you give, Balkandji Jovo,
Beautiful Yana Turkish faith?
-, Voivoda head to give,
Yana not give Turkish faith! -
They cut his both feet
so again ask him and ask him:
- Will you give, you give, Balkandji Jovo,
Beautiful Yana Turkish vera?
-, Voivoda head to give,
Yana not give Turkish faith! -
Put out both his eyes,
and do not ask any question,
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>>59684020
>Everyone hates turks because turks hate everyone
>turks hate everyone because everyone hates turks

thats pretty much it
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>>59683872
And my rates are
>SA
Unfavorable
>EU
Neutral
>China
Unfavorable
>Brazil
Neutral
>NATO
Favorable
>US
Favorable
>Russia
Unfavorable
>Iran
Unfavorable
>Israel
Neutral
>>59684322
This.
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>>59684221
Taking (stealing) christian childrn from thair families is this haram as fuck. FRom all islamic empires maybe the Ottoman one was the most retarded. Full of sufis and alawites who fucked it up.
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>>59684322
>implying i give a single fuck about neanderthals
to>>>>>>>>>>59678504

>>59684338
pretty shitty translation but i get the point. your effendi seems like bad guy

>>59684364
dont know about children but its not haram to take captives as slaves

>>59684359
they wont give you green card lottery/10
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>>59684364
so you're saying its better to kill them or give them no rights at all like western empires did?
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>>59684466
yes i have no skills to translate poetry but whole Balkan folklore is full with things as this
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>>59684471
No, giving them right and at the same time leaving them alone is the best way in my opinion.

And converting people with simply giving them Qurans, building mosques, interreligious discussions and missionary actions would be just fine.

>>59684466
Yes, war captives, not fucking civilians. Otherwise arabs in egypt would have taken all the coptic christians as captives when they invaded egypt Just ONE example.
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>>59684471
ottomans did it and even worse with all massacres and tortures
also this >>59683499
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>>59684466
>they won't give you green card lottery
I know. This is an anonym imageboard and i wanted to tell how i think, you edgelord
>>
Fucking turkroaches admit it and say you are sorry!
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>>59684585
>No, giving them right and at the same time leaving them alone is the best way in my opinion

yeah, that's right, but my point is western empires killed innocents when they occupy places and no one hates them for doing that. but when ottoman empire convertes people by force everyone goes crazy about it. If you ask me, converting people by force is better than killing them
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>>59684466
>implying i give a single fuck about neanderthals

You don't have to give a fuck about it, but you're real fucking delusional if you think Turkey is still the empire 300 years ago.
The west will fuck you up, Russia is already shitting its pants because US is doing the largest military exercise ever in Finland.

Now imagine what color Erdogan's pants would be if the west did some military exercises near the Anatolian sea.
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>>59684646
>liking usa
lol cuck, theyre literally source of war in every corner in earth


>>59684664
>pic
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>>59684280
>russia-china-iran
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>>59678476
Basically, it was just a forced migration.
Some people died, because the migration happend during WW1 and Ottoman had logistic problems, and now butthurt Armenians call it genocide
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>>59684802
>amerüganlar yabduuu amerüga katiiil
daha geçen gün senin ordunun helikopteri rus yapımı silah ile vuruldu kim cuck?
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>>59684749
The point is the christians will only see the bad things you did and not the good things, but everything bad is what they will remember forever.

And we don't measure ourselfs by what christian empires are doing rather than what the Quran tells us to do and the Ottoman way was definitely the wrong one.

And after the Ottomans left, Muslims on the Balkans had it pretty rough to cope with Christians. Look how Turks are living nowadays in Bulgaria and you will see it clear. Over 800k living there and only one mosque in Sofia, others are destroyed.
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>>59684894
>some people
>forced migration
you are the butthurted one because you still cant admit it
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>>59684984
>and not the good things
LMAO are you serious here?
while west had industrial revolution people here must go in the woods and forests to shoot to ottomans to protect women and children. And you have impudence to call any of this ""good"?
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>>59684338
>bulgarian historical material

>>59684020
i personally dont mind our government admitting genocide and forgetting about the fact that it is impossible to prove that it was systematic if:

armenia gives nagorno karabakh back to azerbaycan, and/or we get to border azerbaycan. in return we pay some one-time payment to armenia as recompensation for something the current generation (and the generations before them) never did, just out of good will

western shills sponsored by armenian lobbyists and diasporas stop their anti-turkish campaign to try coat current turkey as the perpetrators and current armenia as the victims

then we can open our borders and try to let the past be in the past.

if not, go fuck yourselves.
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>>59684585
btw you are fucking retarded trying to apply current western humanistic PC moralist bullshit mentality to something an empire did 500 years ago. fuck off idiot. the ottomans were the least barbaric compared to the contemporary european standards, deal with it
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>>59684753
>anatolian sea
it's called the mediterranean you uneducated fuck
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>>59684984
>And we don't measure ourselfs by what christian empires are doing rather than what the Quran tells us to do and the Ottoman way was definitely the wrong one.

Go to Saudi Arabia pls

Ottomans brought stability (before the last century) to the middle east. wahabbi fanatics like yourself calling everyone infidel for retarded reasons like smoking cigarettes were the ones causing trouble like they are today

the Ottomans were massacrating those wahabbi zealots after they started raiding and killing civilians. it was good shit tbqf
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>>59680959
when im stressed, just grabbing my gfs boobs calms me down

its why i could never be with a girl with acups. i need something to hold on to.
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>>59685230
no one implies this is scientific you retard but it is obvious that enslaved people and nations were forced

Also Ahmed Donaldson ottomans used cucked arabic script that time so they barely have any litteracy and not any sources below pasha level thats why you trying to copmose false ones now
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>>59685523
>literally thinks that ottoman illiteracy in the peak and rise of the ottoman empire was the same as the last 150~ years.

idiot bulgaria was basically a backwards incest village with like two people who could read at elementary level compared to ottoman turkey. also yes arabic was by far the richest language at the time, ottomans didnt see any problems with learning from other nations/cultures (one of the reasons for why they were so successful)

we really didn't learn anything from bulgaria tho =(
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>>59685628
Your pathetic lies giving me laughs now. We were literate and educated ages before seldjuks scum to try to break and burn everything here.And yes you failed, and you not learning anything too since that time its obvious.

During Simeon's reign(893 to 927), Bulgaria reached its cultural apogee, becoming the literary and spiritual centre of Slavic Europe.[3][103] In this respect, Simeon continued his father Boris' policy of establishing and spreading Slavic culture and attracting noted scholars and writers within Bulgaria's borders. It was in the Preslav Literary School and Ohrid Literary School, founded under Boris, that the main literary work in Bulgaria was concentrated during the reign of Simeon[104] in the new Cyrillic alphabet which was developed there.
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>>59685900
>thinks his little village has anything on the ottoman empire
Ivan, I..
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>>59685985
I , what?
I want to hear you are sorry for the genocidies else Christian world would make you suffer as sick man "of Europe" again.
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>>59686095
I'm sorry
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>>59686095
>>59686133
THATS NOT ME

fuck your apology, every empire did bad things.

bulgarias hostilities towards turks the recent decades does not warrant anything but airstrikes.
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>>59686133
Ok but with turkish flag else you just trolling
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>>59680083
This is not true.

The turkish goverments and everyone I've met admits it happened. The only problem here is that they don't claim responsibilty, todays Turkey blames it on the Ottomans
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>>59681687
Literally nobody in Turkey identifies with europe
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>>59686167
>bulgarias hostilities
youd better worry for others hostilities, and yes we would help them
>every empire did bad things
thats why you should admit genocides, if you deny it same things would happen again, maybe this time to you
Its 21 century and you still with caliphate isis tier mentality
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>>59682213
The balkans killed most of the turks when they rebelled as well, why don't you call it a genocide?
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>>59686437
yes, please give us a reason to turn you into glass
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>>59686470
This is not true. Even Todor Jivkov laters in commie times just send them back to Turkey. Your attempts to lie are more than retarded.
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>>59686588
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ottoman_Muslims

>between the years 1821–1922, from the beginning of the Greek War of Independence to the end of the Ottoman Empire, five million Muslims were driven from their lands and another five and one-half million died, some of them killed in wars, others perishing as refugees from starvation or disease
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>>59686527
Turkey got more sands, it would be a nice glass
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>>59686685
You are trying to call war (even of independence from ottoman slavery and genocides) a genocide. Your fail is epic here.Ottomans are the one who genociding and you trying to call war against them genocide. Its the same to call that war against ISIS terrorist is genocide. Ottomans were caliphate and fail , ISIS-daesh tried to be one (also they are confirmed to do genocides) with support by idiots as you and fail
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