Obviously America has the best flag in the world
But let's talk about some flags that suck and ought to be changed
First of all, Canada. You have a fucking leaf, a LEAF on your flag!
There are grizzly bears in Canada, but you decided on the leaf...great fucking job
Argentina's flag bothers me. First of all, it's got the same color pattern as Israel's flag, but instead of geometric design you replaced it with a creepy ass sun with a crudely drawn face on it. It might be the only flag with a human face, it's creepy and weird.
Next, China. Too much red space. Your flag is just a square of red with a couple stars in the corner, how boring is that? Put a dragon on it or something
And then there's all the copycat flags, you know who I'm talking about
Euro countries, why the three lines? How boring is that, you're basically only distinguished from each other by color combination. At least Spain has a little insignia on it's flag to mix things up. Be more creative like Britain with the Union Jack, now that's a great flag!
Nordic countries, don't get me wrong I love the cross (although it's not representative of what you've become), but you've gotta mix it up a little. I know there's barely anything where you live besides ice and snow, but I'm sure you'll think of something.
I like it when flags share a motif with their neighbouring countries, like with Sub Saharan African flags, Central American Flags, Pan-Arab flags, and Columbian Flags.
>>59584113
Madagascar flag is the worst 2bh
This flag has no right to exist.
Ok, Cletus, draw your flag in MS paint. I'll wait.
>>59584268
The flag of Lethbridge Alberta shares a motif with its southern neighbour!
Oh, anyway, flags I don't like:
Burundi, Central African Republic, Kyrgyzstan, Madagascar, Palau, and Oman.
>>59584340
I like kyrgyzstan
México flag is best flag.
>>59584399
Drawing the seal in grade school must've been a pain
>>59584419
It was, lol.
>>59584399
It looks great, but it's too hard to draw.
>>59584113
I've always been partial to the Soviet flag, the Imperial Japanese flag, North and South Korean flags, and all of the Nordic flags.
>>59584113
>Nordic countries,
>you've gotta mix it up a little.
But, anon... That's exactly what they're doing
There is no argument against our flag besides dumb forced memes.
It's literally one of the best and that's just objective fact
>>59584113
Argentina's flag is awesome, the sun looks like ayy weed lmao.
>>59584787
>>59584847
I like the old flag better
>his flag has text on it
Wew
>>59584847
The leaf thing is a bit silly, but your flag looks a bit generic anyway.
>>59584945
>having another country's flag on your flag
KEK
U
C
K
>>59585000
For the commonwealth i see it more as a glorious mark of a powerful past
I know Albania catches a lot of hate on 4chan (and since I haven't met any Albanians I'm not really sure why) but can we all agree their flag is badass?
I want this flag for my cuntree
This flag was another candidate of Japan flag, but it was not selected.
The design is related with Samurai Shogunate.
>>59585094
It's fucking perfect!
>>59585046
Or it was a mark of being a slave to a foreign ruler.
>>59585115
You're a dumbass
>>59585115
If you're white anglo you should rethink that
>>59584113
official top 5 best flags
1. UK
2. South Korea
3. Kazakhstan
4. Mexico
5. Estonia
>>59585147
You are a c*ck.
>>59585161
Good thing my grandparents are Germanic and Slavic immigrants.
Monarchy is retarded, loyalty to a colonial power is even more retarded.
>>59585166
Thanks gangsta
>>59585207
Then you have nothing to complain about, your ancestors weren't experiencing such ebil british forces
>>59585094
My eyes are bleeding.
>>59585229
I'm just opposed to the concept of loyalty to some distant power across the ocean.
>>59585274
>same race
>same culture
>had representation
>acess to travel all across the globe
>glory (don't undersell it)
Pls
>>59585094
Is that the fucking Adidas logo?
>not having a square flag
>>59585387
So do you still want to be ruled by Portugal? Also
>glory
If your idea of glory is going around the world robbing people of their freedom then I don't want any part of it.
Argentina and canada have good flags
>>59584113
I like our flag... It looks pretty "elegant".
>>59585451
Texas has the best flag in the USA
>>59585434
First I'd like to say most of my ancestors arrived long after Brazil declared independence, I have not much to do with those times.Portugal restricted almost everything concerning brazil. No manufactories, colonial monopoly, HEAVY taxing, and much more
>robbing people of their freedom
>using keywords and not arguing
What you on about? How did the empire restrict canadian freedoms?
>>59585078
I wish Albania was a large and militarily strong country so that badass flag wouldn't be going to waste
>>59585529
>What you on about? How did the empire restrict canadian freedoms?
Well first of all we didn't have real self-government until 1931, and second I was mostly referring to other parts of the British Empire that were basically slave labour camps.
>>59585102
i like it.
>>59585497
god bless my country
>>59584113
Americas flag is shit. Way too cluttered. The confederate battle flag is a lot better.
>inb4 b-but your flag is shit
It doesn't make Americas any less awful.
>>59585574
Fuck the other parts, they're irrelevant. And you had a parliment.
>>59585561
Yeah it's true.
>>59585102
Ah the ol "eye of japan"
>>59585497
It's ok. kind of boring since it looks like a simplified american flag. I like New Mexico's the best.
>>59585648
>Way too cluttered
At the risk of triggering my fellow burgers, I agree with this.
>>59585659
Not until 1867, and even then Britain was in charge of our constitution and all foreign affairs until 1931. All constitutional changes had to be approved by the British parliament until 1982.
>>59584113
>>59584113
The 3 colors are basically symbols.
For us:
Red means strength
White means loyalty, purity.
Green means hope.
>>59585711
Yes but just like ours it was just a formality, the Brits pretty much passed anything we (and you) wanted because they knew they had no clue what was good for us so went off our word.
You've just been drinking too much of that American koolaid... Or you're a chink. Either way fuck off
>>59585648
>cuckstamp
Opinion discarded
our flag got literally stolen by cannucks
>>59585758
Even if things weren't to awful in practice for Anglo Canadians the British Empire was still shit and I don't want my country associated with it any more than it needs to be.
>>59584113
provo's flag
>>59584292
>not flying the original flag of Fort Whoop Up
>>59585812
Looks like an allergy medication logo.
>>59584113
Canada has a great flag, better than yours tbH.
Europeans flags are indeed dull, having three vertical or horizontal lines.
>>59585834
European*
>>59585799
You're an idiot
>>59585834
America's flag is too cluttered and flashy. Like something Donald Trump would design.
>>59585000
>stayed cucked until England allowed you to be your own country
>implying canada isn't the ultimate cucktry
>>59585854
>wanted to be associated with a literal evil empire that rode around the world raping countries and crushing freedom
>>59585799
Fuck off Quebec/Zhang
>>59585893
Why do you hate freedom Cletus?
>>59585711
Most people living in canada (which did not have a large population) were brits after all, and you were part of the country. It is only natural that your constitution would be consistent, and that foreign affairs outsourced. Changing the constitution is not common for most countries anyway.
Think about it, if a province suddenly wanted to change their laws to something not allowed federally, it would be the same thing.
But perhaps independence was not the right choice. Perhaps going for more representation within the empire would be a best course of action.
>>59585648
>cuckstamp
>australian flag but different color paint got spilled on it
>had option to remove cuckstamp and chose to stay cucked
>>59585862
And maybe that is why America's flag is appealing to all the Romanian teenage tumblrinas.
>>59585898
>Cletus
You're the plaid wearing hick sitting in Quebec crying about oppression
>>59585879
I like you
>>59585862
>A FUCKING LEAF
>>59585879
Ebil omg!
>>59585879
It only did "evil" too non-country to begin with. They were all better off being ruled by the Brits.
>>59585879
egad
why are canadians similar to the worst of those american liberals you see online?
>>59585919
And you are defending the systematic destruction of liberty by an imperialist power.
>>59585930
Of course you do, he's probably that argie faggot in Quebec.
>>59585912
nah, we're just cucking you culturally. Without us even trying, the youth of the world are emulating our culture, and letting it take over.
>>59584113
>not representative of what you've become
Huh? Protestant values are pretty strong over here.
Anyway, what did you have in mind? Would the cross flags be nicer if there was something added to them?
This is the state flag, with the coat of arms in the middle. See, I think that the cross motif works best when you keep it really simple. In this modern age, a flag has to be distinguishable even at tiny sizes.
>>59585943
>>59585935
>>59585932
So you people are perfectly comfortable defending concentration camps and the massacre of civilians? The fuck is wrong with you?
>>59585957
Yes. We'd literally be living in a world that hadn't progressed passed the 1850's if Britain didn't extort Asia and spawn the industrial revolution. No other county had the callousness too throw it's own people into factories too industrialize itself like a mother fucker at the expense of children coming out like phossey jawed deformities.
>>59585992
You're trying way too hard now. Just give it up.
>>59585992
Hey that's called australia be more respectful
>>59585992
What? I was calling your flag dumb because you said ours was ugly. That's a pretty big leap.
>>59585992
you really can't fathom a different world than the one you're in hey
>>59585992
Name a truly altruistic empire ever jackass, the British empire was probably the best as far as empires go though.
>>59585984
>A fucking Peugeot lion
>Surrounded not by one, but 9 flowers
>With a knight armour human arm
>Stepping an arab sword
>>59586009
>During the Second Boer War (1899-1902), the British rounded up around a sixth of the Boer population - mainly women and children - and detained them in camps, which were overcrowded and prone to outbreaks of disease, with scant food rations.
>Of the 107,000 people interned in the camps, 27,927 Boers died, along with an unknown number of black Africans.
>Members of the Kikuyu tribe were detained in camps, since described as "Britain's gulags" or concentration camps, where they allege they were systematically tortured and suffered serious sexual assault.
>Estimates of the deaths vary widely: historian David Anderson estimates there were 20,000, whereas Caroline Elkins believes up to 100,000 could have died.
>Between 12 and 29 million Indians died of starvation while it was under the control of the British Empire, as millions of tons of wheat were exported to Britain as famine raged in India.
>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a6821756.html
This is what you're defending.
>>59586041
Pro tip: Empires are bad, period.
Name a truly altruistic government ever jackass
>>59586083
I'm not gonna read all that, it looks boering
>>59586083
>This is what you're defending
Proudly.
>>59586109
No. You wouldn't be here if not for an Empire. Name a single altruistic nation ever?
>>59586136
Not gonna lie I chuckled.
>implying we don't have the worst flag in the world
just say it, it won't bother me, it's true anyway
>>59586150
If you're defending this then you're a piece of shit. You actually hate freedom.
>>59586170
>Le evil British
The British empire were the first to outlaw slavery. Fuck the Boers that was the consequences of war. Black Africans and India's lot in life increased dramatically under the British empire. France may have fucked up west Africa but the Brits were for the most part savvy businessmen and looked at their holdings as an investment and they greatly increased the standard of living in those place.
>his country isn't an anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As015aEemCE
>>59585691
Dallas's flag is nice.
>>59586230
>literally puts women and children in concentration camps
Oh yeah anon, those women and children were a real threat to British rule.
>millions of Indians starve under British rule
Sure m80, their lives improved so much. They didn't even have to worry about eating too much and getting diabetes.
>new worlders and their "flags"
kek
>>59586279
That this comes from a Pole is just icing on the cake.
>>59586230
>The Aden Emergency was a 1960s scramble to control the once-vital port of Aden in modern Yemen. Although the port had long been under British rule, a nationalist wave sweeping Yemen led to strikes, riots, and a general desire that the Brits leave as soon as possible. A desire the British decided to quell by opening torture centers. Harsh and brutal, these centers housed the sort of horrors that would make Kim Jong-Un feel ill. Detainees were stripped naked and kept in refrigerated cells, encouraging frostbite and pneumonia. Guards would stub their cigarettes out on prisoner’s skin and beatings were common. But perhaps worst of all was the sexual humiliation. Locals who had been detained could expect to have their genitals crushed by guards’ hands, or to be forced to sit naked on a metal pole; their weight forcing it into their anus.
>First the RAF conducted nighttime bombing raids on civilian targets. Then they deployed chemical weapons against the fighters, gassing whole groups of them. But the real horrors came in the aftermath, when the victorious British decided to use collective punishment against the offending tribes. From that point on, any tribe that caused a fuss would have one of its villages randomly annihilated. Specific orders were given to exterminate every living thing within its walls, from animals to rebels to children. Other villages were subject to random searches. If the British found a single weapon, they would burn the place to the ground, destroy the crops, poison wells, and kill livestock. They’d sometimes target weddings to terrorize the population. In short, the British deliberately targeted civilians in a campaign that lasted the better part of half a decade, all because a few Iraqis had dared to ask for their country back.
>http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/
>>59586269
>Oh yeah anon, those women and children were a real threat to British rule.
Consequences of being enemy combatants wearing plain clothes.
>>millions of Indians starve under British rule
Millions of Indians would of starved regardless, do you have any idea why the Brits were so successful replacing the Mughals? they literally wouldn't number in the billions today if it weren't for the British empire. In fact, that was probably the biggest slight to humanity the Brits did.
>>59584113
Is this bait?
Argentina, Canada and Nordic flags are god tier.
America's flag is retarded and blunt. 50 stars and 13 stripes to represent your states and colonies? Can't be any more blunt and jarring than that.
>>59586348
God Save the Queen
>>59586348
>List verse
Come on. Got something published about them deploying chemical weapons on civilians? Fuck Yemen though.
>>59586372
>Argentina, Canada and Nordic flags are god tier.
>Canada and Nordic flags are god tier.
>Canada
>flag
>god tier
How to make an entire thread kek: 101.
>>59586075
It makes sense in context
>>59586422
You literally have stars on your flag
>>59586279
sure thing Indonesia
>>59586358
I Stalin and Mao aren't responsible for the millions who starved under their rule either then? M80 the Brits clearly made it worse by taking wheat OUT of the country when people were starving because the literally didn't care. The best thing you can say about it is that they were complicit and did nothing to prevent or mitigate it. They did the same thing to the Irish during the potato famine. If things were so great under British rule I seriously doubt that the Indians would have been so eager to get them to leave.
>>59586346
Said the chink, lawl.
>>59586279
at least people will recognize ours, monaco
>>59586446
>>59586467
I can't blame other countries that they wanted to have dope national colours as well.
I was refering to regional flags in my post though.
>>59586449
Mate we talking about the union jack being a cuckstamp. Canadians never got more cucked by the empire than scotland, for instance. And all that bad stuff? well guess what, brits today (and many then i suppose) condemn those acts.
>>59586444
and you literally have
>A
>FUCKING
>LEAF
So if our flag is shit, your's isn't any better.
>>59586449
Subtle difference faggot, The soviets controlled the breadbasket of the continent but literally used starvation as a weapon, meanwhile the Brits had India too work with. Life was far better in the British Raj than the Mughuls. That doesn't mean they weren't extorting the shit out of India because they were, it was the smart thing to do.
>>59586535
I don't want my country to advertise our association with one of the most disgusting and murderous regimes that has ever existed.
>>59586573
so you agree it's not a cuckstamp, good!
>>59586573
I do
>>59586573
Too bad, Canada shall always owe it's existance and love too the British empire. I can't think of a nation that ever dindunoffin.
>>59584113
>Russian flag
>Under Asian category
This triggers my autism greatly
>>59586573
and go club a baby seal you pure and good man
>>59586595
How do you justify this? Like I'm honestly just curious at this point. How do you look at mass murder and attrocities on par with the Holocaust and say "Yes, this was a good thing."
>>59586588
Having another country's flag on your flag is pretty cuckish if you ask me, but sure, I can see how a rational person would disagree.
>>59584292
That's not real, is it?
...What the fuck is it?
>>59586631
Well 80% of Russia is in Asia, so I suppose it makes sense.
Scandinavian and Nordic flags look great, Sweden's the best out of all though
>>59586614
Every nation has skeletons in its closet, but if you think that some aren't worse than others you are factually incorrect. Point me to the heinous war crimes of Switzerland or Panama that are on par with those of the British Empire.
>>59586679
panama isnt a country
its was mistake that was made by jimmy carter.
>>59585207
Living on a different landmass makes loyalty useless?
>>59586650
It's our Monarchy, one that has it's roots over a thousand years in tradition. It also spawned our country. Canada has done fucked up things too. You cannot find an example in history of a nation that's not committed atrocities.
>>59586452
>implying
My only flag is the Lone Star flag.
>>59586075
>Stepping an arab sword
Sounds like a good analogy for fighting back the muslim plague. I don't see what's wrong with it.
>>59586548
You and New Zealand both have kind of weak flags, tbqhwy. So does Canada. I wouldn't call any of them shit tier though.
>>59585494
Where did you get this? Is there a site? A site full of naked qts wrapped in flags?
>>59586679
The good done by the British Empire more than outweighs its evils.
>>59586679
one is an irrelevant poor country, the other a isolationist very small homogeneous peaceful nation, arguably the most neutral on earth. That's nitpicking
>>59586726
>You cannot find an example in history of a nation that's not committed atrocities.
True, but one isn't equal to another. If one country murders ten million people it's completely different than murdering a thousand.
The British Empire aggressively and systematically went about robbing people of their freedoms and meeting resistance with brutal violence on par with the Nazis.
>>59586679
>Point me to the heinous war crimes of Switzerland
Using the neutraliest of the neutral countries to compare how bad and evul the british empire was, you can do that with literally any country, even Canada can look bad when compared to fucking Switzerland.
>>59586679
So, it's only okay when other people do it? Switzerland served as a the Nazi's primary holder for the "raubgold", or the colossal piles of stolen and looted wealth taken from people in conquered/occupied territories and victims of the Holocaust. Panama I literally have no idea about their history.
>>59585681
pardon?
>>59586773
>True, but one isn't equal to another.
Either it's all wrong or none of it is. It's not as contemptible when other nations do it because they were shittier at it?
>>59586756
I know, they're not the best, but at least we didn't join the kiwis in making the leaf meme team a reality.
Just sick of Canadians thinking they're special because leaf desu
>>59586784
You people are completely missing the point. It's a question of scale, of course the Swiss have done bad shit, I literally just admitted that. But the British Empire was easily one of the most widespread, brutal, and destructive regimes to ever exist. Do you people apologize for the Holocaust and Holodomor too because "lol other countries have done bad stuff too". Would you let a serial killer off the hook because other people are also murderers?
>>59586817
Sure it is contemptable, but like I said it's a question of scale. Somebody who goes out and kills a person is bad, but somebody who goes out and kills a hundred is certainly worse wouldn't you agree?
>>59586886
Between someone who kills ten thousand and someone who kills a hundred thousand, it really starts blurring together.
>>59586860
>It's a question of scale
But it's not, you're using that as a cop out. Everyone has tried their hand at imperials and garnering unethical profit, it's just that the British empire happened to be the best at it. You look at historical empires like a ten year old saying "they iz tha bad guize". They were a product of their age and in the end no other empire gave as much back too the world, not even the French or Romans.
>>59586860
But they didn't do it for the lulz. Those Boer concentration camps? Literally just camps to keep the enemies' families corraled as leverage. Conditions were bad, but not purposefully, and there certainly wasn't a systematic slaughter.
>>59584113
Your picture is wrong
>>59586929
Except the British attrocities lasted well into the 20th century, and you're acting as if everything the Romans did was somehow okay. Imperial conquest was bad when they did it, it was bad when the Nazis did it, and it was bad when the British did it. Crushing liberty and killing innocent people is bad. This shouldn't be hard for you to understand its a concept called basic human morality.
>>59586923
at that point it's about who's better at it
>>59586929
If you put a murderer in a room full of other murderers does that make him innocent?
>>59586860
>But the British Empire was easily one of the most widespread, brutal, and destructive regimes to ever exist
And magically, the Empire gave birth to some of the most peaceful and philanthropic countries in the world today. It's a double bladed sword, what terrible shit happened once, lead to some great shit today, if you wanna and sit there in the past to dwell about how wrong and bad the British empire was, then fine, but just remember that you and everyone you know is a direct result of that that evilness. And if that's such an issue of guilt you can't live with, you can always just kill yourself desu.
What
>>59587032
So are you saying we should not worry about committing evil because someday some good might come out of it? That's some fucked up logic m8.
>>59587059
Thats life buddy. You'll understand when you're older.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxOhk4Lk9aE
>>59585834
>christian cross on flag
>dull
mehmet detected
>>59587093
You're the edgelord that's defending the massacre of innocents. Maybe you're the one that needs to grow up.
>>59586976
The real world isn't a fairy tale. Without violence and Empires we'd be stuck in the stone age. You have 0 historical acumen if you sum up an entire empire that lasted hundred of years, controlled 25% of the earth and held over a billion subjects in such black and white terms as "The bad guys". I can list a million things the British empire did good on.
>>59584113
>a grizzly
>a dragon
Go watch game of thrones or some shit like that if you want medieval flags for entire countries, we already have badass animals for every city, because we have an actual medieval history unlike your "country", you underage retard
>>59587031
Shit analogy, because outside that room everyone is a murderer too
>>59587138
And I'm talking about the things they did that were bad, of which there were many. Again your reasoning is seriously flawed if you think that we shouldn't condemn evil for what it is just because they also did some good. By your logic we should worship Hitler as a hero because the Nazis made wonderful leaps in science.
>>59587165
Okay, you want to talk about what other countries did then fine. But it still doesn't make all the people murdered by the British any less dead, it still doesn't make their crimes any less disgusting. You think I'm singling out the British? I'm not, there are dozens of terrible regimes I could talk about but I'm talking about Britain right now.
By your logic the Holocaust was A-OK because other people had done similar things in the past.
>>59587032
This. Representation, free speech, modern financing and economy, a load of technology, and much more.
All of the mistakes were, unlike what you seem to believe, flukes, mistakes, shit that had backlash even then. Famines have been caused by native goverments in asia, africans have been killing and waging war on eachother, canadians killing defenseless baby seals. The empire attempted to change that. They implemented modern medicine in africa, railroads, better farming. They arrived to tribes and left from cities.
>>59587180
>>59587237
How old are you?
>>59587250
>flukes
Oh right, they accidentally bombed civilians and put people in concentration camps.
>be British
>have a minor slip up
>suddenly 20 million Indians are dead
>>59587165
>>59587180
>>59587237
Jesus Christ you drunk prairie niggers, take it to a new thread.
>>59587276
You know what he means. Spur-of-the-moment decisions that turned out to be horrible mistakes.
>>59587259
You're clearly less mature than I am if you are trying to rationalize mass murder because "muh patriotism"
>>59587276
You're really stupid
>>59587312
I don't see how crimes of this scale could have ever seemed like a good idea to anybody with a shred of decency.
>>59587180
I'm not going to condemn the British empire for doing what every other nation in history has done at some point. You're trivializing the good they have done and you have the historical understanding of a toddler to just categorize the whole empire as evil.
>By your logic we should worship Hitler as a hero because the Nazis made wonderful leaps in science.
You know in like a few hundred years right people will be making war movies or whatever type of form of entertainment exists from the Nazis perspective? The Spartans and the mongolss were some of the worst humans rights abusers in history but Necrophiliac and Mongol enthusiast exist in drove and have mainstream media made about them. They still never even got close to the good things the British empire has given us.
>>59587319
Give us an age
>>59587276
Still flukes. You make it seem like they were actively trying to kill as many people as possible so they could be the biggest and most evil entity in all of the world. The truth is much more on the neutral side, however.
>>59587237
>Godwins law
You'd literally have compared the British to Nazis because both of them have killed people ignoring any context. If you think any nation that has killed scores of people is evil you might as well just move to Antarctica.
>>59587338
Okay fine, the British Empire did good things, but they also did many bad things, and that's what I'm condemning.
Also again, as far as other countries are concerned, I'm not excusing anything they did. It was bad when they did it too, murder and conquest are bad. I don't understand why this is so hard to get your head around. I brought up Britain because it was relevant to the flag conversation.
And still, by your logic we shouldn't condemn any evil action or atrocity because other people do the same thing. Why even bother fighting people like ISIS then? Do you feel the same way about them as you do about the British Empire?
>>59587059
>So are you saying we should not worry about committing evil because someday some good might come out of it?
No, I'm saying we should not worry about evil that has happened, because if it didn't, something worse might have happened.
Example: If the British succeeded in wiping out the native Africans and fully colonized Africa, would Africa be better or worse today?
>>59587356
Give me a counter argument.
>this whole thread
Literally seething with anger
>literally writing the name of your state/country on your flag
>>59584113
> best flag in the world
Pic related.
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● white - snow
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>>59587424
Its just one idiot spamming his opinion
>>59587367
I didn't say that Britian was evil. I said that the British Empire committed evil acts that should be condemned.
>>59587409
Of course we should condemn them. That's what was done then, within the empire, and should be done now. Imagine how much more good could have been done? It doesn't matter now. It's all gone and it's never coming back.
>>59587443
>>59587415
>No, I'm saying we should not worry about evil that has happened, because if it didn't, something worse might have happened.
That's just wild speculation though. And it seems difficult to prevent future evils if you don't understand past evils and why they happened.
>>59587446
Proper fucking mong and clearly a paki or Kenyan or another ''''""""victim'''''"'" of the empire
>>59587468
Fair enough. But people who try to glorify the British Empire should know what they are actually glorifying, both wonderful advances in science, politics, philosophy and technology as well as the mass murder of millions of innocent people.
>>59587448
Who cares, faggot? Go fap to a furry thread.
>>59587409
You're saying the British empire is just evil as a default and you don't really understand nuance or historical context. If you sum up a whole nation for it's bad acts, you'll condemn everyone.
>And still, by your logic we shouldn't condemn any evil action or atrocity because other people do the same thing.
Depends in context. Do you hate Canada for what we've done to the natives or for putting the Japanese in camps? Do you hate some of our Native tribes that came before colonization because say the Ojibwee tried to genocide the Mik'maqs who were fleeing the east? Literally everyone ever has done something wrong.
>>59587554
I bet typing makes you winded.
>>59587448
You said the British Empire was evil. Things are a little more complicated than that.
The classic
>>59587523
Now all the bad things are being done by natives, and there is no greatness doing the good.
Actually scrap that about the union jack not being a cuck stamp. it is. it is a reminder of what was lost.
>>59585094
Is this flag OC?
>>59587631
Beauty
>>59587568
Okay you're making a fair point and I should redefine my position. If you talk about the British Empire like its a single thing then you are taking the good and the bad together, you can't separate them. If you glorify the British Empire you are glorifying huge advancements for humanity and horrific mass attrocities at the same time, the same goes for demonizing it.
In that context it's probably best to neither glorify nor demonize the Empire as a whole, but that doesn't mean we can't condemn the attrocities while at the same time celebrating the benefits.
But if that's the case you have the be willing to extend that fairness to any nation, even communist countries or radical Islamists, something I doubt most people who try to glorify the British Empire would be keen on.
1 canton
50 stars
13 bars
64 things in your flag, that's really tacky.
The ends justify the means, the British empire was the best thing that's happened to this planet
>>59587644
>Now all the bad things are being done by natives
Right because Western countries definitely don't engage in human rights abuses anymore.
>>59587672
Oh here he goes again. Look at you Canada, posting here thinking you just said some smart shit.
Out of all countries that post here Canadians are the ones that piss me off the most. Their entire fucking culture makes no sense. What exactly is it that you do? Wear flannel shirts and slurp syrup?
If I think of America I think of guns, pop culture and freedom. Sure, lots of ignorant baboons but at least they wear their retardation like a badge of honor, use it as a cultural identity, their flag promotes the unity of the country with all these stripes and stars.
Germany is orderly, a country that prides itself on its rules and their citizens who follow them. It's also the country with the biggest responsibility when it comes to destroying Europe with its two world wars and government sanctioned refugee crisis. Their flag waves strong colors, black, red and gold. A dominant flag for a dominant country.
Russia is strong and stubborn to a fault. They live hard lives and don't complain about it. Obviously the entire country is pretty much a shithole but it breeds strong people who can take care of themselves. Their flag represents the cold, the white, the blue but also the burning passion in the red, it all comes together to signify that their country is bleak but there is strength in that.
But Canada, what are they fucking known for? Being "nice", i guess? Is that your role in the world? Being fucking nice? That's not an achievement. Everyone can be nice. It's easy to be nice. You just don't have to say anything bad. So what did your fucking country decide to put on their flag to show the entire world what Canada is all about? A leaf. A FUCKING LEAF. You decided that you like to slurp your shitty syrup so damn much that you might as well put the fucking leaf that it's made of on the flag. You don't even respect your own country so why the hell should I.
>>59587707
Would you be saying that if you were on the business end of a redcoat's rifle?
>>59587707
Agreed
>>59587746
No because I'd be the one holding you paki fucker
>>59587486
>That's just wild speculation though
It is, but with any thing that has happened in the past, there is equal chance something better, the same or even worse could have happened. We can't presume to say that the worst history had taken place.
>>59587707
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVzBcIXJXTo
>>59587809
>implying you won't find yourself at the point of a Paki's sword
Caliphate soon Insa'allah
>>59587672
I'd agree too this but I can't objectively think of anything good communists or Islamists have ever done? Those are ideologies, not nations or empires. I can think of individual soviet scholars and muslim astronomers.
>>59587818
>We can't presume to say that the worst history had taken place
No, but it's pretty easy to look at a specific act and determine it was bad, at least in the case of mass murder.
>>59587847
Oh so you are an immigrant buttmad at the British empire? You can't pretend to have the moral high ground and care about the plight of the British empires victims and then laugh at the British being killed.
>>59587868
There is literally nothing wrong with a nation killing it's enemies.
>>59587864
The Soviets revolutionized Russia and effectively created its greatest period of prosperity and political dominance. They also removed famine from Russian life which until WW2 had been a regular occurrence. Not to mention they invented space flight.
As for Islamists they turned Iran from a dictatorship into a relatively democratic society independent of foreign puppet rule.
But both regimes were also extremely repressive and violent. So again, decide carefully what you glorify or condemn.
>>59587923
If the cause is unjust then yes there is. Killing enemies to protect your loved ones is fine, but killing to line the pockets of political elites is a whole other story.
>>59587902
Well actually I was being ironic. And following your own logic I guess that guy beheading the soldier wasn't bad. After all was what he did so different from the British? If it's okay for them why is it not okay for him?
I'm being ironic again it's terrible for both of them.
>>59587902
Pakis aren't capable of logic because of generations of inbreeding
>>59587927
What was prosperous about the Soviets what the fuck? Worse thing that ever happened for Russians. Red terror didn't just spawn out of nowhere it was implemented to suppress the masses of angry hungry mobs who just wanted life to go back to the way it was before. The space thing was based though.
>As for Islamists they turned Iran from a dictatorship into a relatively democratic society independent of foreign puppet rule.
>Islamists
>"""""""democratic""""""
Literally better under foreign rule.
>>59587947
>Murder is okay when it aligns with my subjective opinion
If you kill your enemies, they win lmao
>>59587974
What British people are beheading foreign soldiers?
>>59588048
>Soviets industrialized the country
>massively increased the standard of living
>provided public education to the majority of people for the first time
>huge increases in literacy and numeracy
>provided food security
>low unemployment
>provided universal healthcare
Post Stalin USSR was easily the most prosperous period of Russian history.
Also Iran is a presidential democracy m8. Look it up, they have elections and everything. Even their "supreme leader" is appointed by a panel of democratically elected officials.
>>59587868
Of course mass murder is wrong and all that but times were different. Peoples lives meant fuck all and that's just the way it was. Its easy to look back with our current views that everyone is super important and meaningful and apply it to them, but its just not how it worked.
People were disposable, and people die.
>>59588085
Not necessarily beheadings but British soldiers have been convicted of war crimes involving the torture and execution of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes
>>59588168
M8 the idea that all human lives are valuable isn't new. That idea is at least as old as Christianity.
>>59588136
It's not hard to increase the literacy rate,standard of living and industrialize a country that was just involved in two world wars. They were literally north Korean tier in terms of starvation and humans rights abuses towards their own people. Everything of not in Russia today is better than it was before the iron curtain fell.
>Iran is a presidential democracy m8. Look it up, they have elections and everything.
""""""""democracy""""""""""""
Non-muslims can't run for office and officials who turn apostate would be killed. Not a real democracy.
>>59588068
So if somebody pissed you off would you go and murder their entire family?
>>59585494
why is it being worn by a british girl?
>>59588172
I'm not trying to justify war crimes. Your calling people pieces of shit for liking the British empire then you taunt a Brit with pictures of a dead British soldier and laugh at it. It's your hypocrisy I'm outlining.
R8 pls
>>59588262
If we're at war, yes. Even If we instigated that war. For somebody with this much of a hard on for condemning killing you seem too think you're the authority for what is "just" and "unjust".
>>59588260
>It's not hard to increase the literacy rate,standard of living and industrialize a country that was just involved in two world wars
That doesn't make any sense. Russia wasn't left in a state of economic bliss post WW2, they were completely devastated. It's actually remarkable that they did as well as they did given their starting point.
>They were literally north Korean tier in terms of starvation
During the Civil War and Holodomor maybe, but after WW2 food security basically became universal. Nobody really went hungry. As for human rights abuses you're largely correct, but following the logic of the people in this thread it apparently doesn't matter because other people were doing similar things, even in the West (albeit to other people).
>Non-muslims can't run for office
That's not really saying much in a country where 99% of the population is Muslim, and they're certainly far more democratic than under the Shah.
This is exactly what I was talking about, people will have all sorts of justifications for the British Empire but don't extend that same generosity to countries that had different ideologies that disagreed with their own.
>>59588327
And you trivialize the crimes of the British empire but get mad when Brits are on the receiving end of attrocities similar to the ones they committed.
>>59588405
>That doesn't make any sense. Russia wasn't left in a state of economic bliss post WW2, they were completely devastated.
That's what I was saying?
>It's actually remarkable that they did as well as they did given their starting point.
I know, It's not hard to improve your country if It's already a pile of shit that went through two work wars.
>but after WW2 food security basically became universal. Nobody really went hungry.
Proofs?
>but following the logic of the people in this thread it apparently doesn't matter because other people were doing similar things, even in the West (albeit to other people).
They did jack shit for the world in comparison to the British or the Romans. It matters.
>That's not really saying much in a country where 99% of the population is Muslim, and they're certainly far more democratic than under the Shah.
Nigga, it is not a democracy if they are willing to kill elected officials behind the scenes if he renounces his beliefs. Literally tyranny.
>This is exactly what I was talking about, people will have all sorts of justifications for the British Empire but don't extend that same generosity to countries that had different ideologies that disagreed with their own.
I can justify the British empire, I can't justify Iran. The British empire did amazing things. Iran and islamists have never done a good thing ever.
>>59588430
I never trivialized war crimes. I do think that contemporary murders happening in the streets of London are far more reprehensible than what we can't change and has happened hundreds of years ago. You're still condemning one type of killing but mocking the other;.
>>59588191
Yeah, but it was nothing more than an idea.
You can believe that you and everyone else is important, but that wont stop you getting shot by the group load by whoever is in charge.
We today can reinforce that idea with actions and thats defining factor. Its easy to look back to mass murders and think "muh human rights, muh conventions, muh bill of rights. TRIGGERED. TRIGGERED" but beyond an idea, they had nothing to back it up.
>>59588516
>Proofs?
>The economy of the Soviet Union was based on a system of state ownership of the means of production, collective farming, industrial manufacturing and centralized administrative planning. The economy was characterised by state control of investment, public ownership of industrial assets, macroeconomic stability, negligible unemployment and high job security.[13]
>I know, It's not hard to improve your country if It's already a pile of shit that went through two work wars.
Yes except they built themselves up rather quickly to be better than they were before the war and much better than they were before the revolution.
>They did jack shit for the world in comparison to the British or the Romans. It matters.
They made huge leaps in science and technology as well as industrial innovation (aside from spaceflight they also discovered stem cells, invented the helicopter, various organ transplants, the artificial heart, carbon nanotubes, etc). They also improved the lives of millions of Russians, so they certainly did some good.
>Nigga, it is not a democracy if they are willing to kill elected officials behind the scenes if he renounces his beliefs. Literally tyranny.
Still a huge improvement over the Shah.
>I can justify the British empire, I can't justify Iran. The British empire did amazing things.
And they also have a body count to rival any of history's greatest mass murders, most estimates put it at 29 million.
>>59588600
But that murder is in the past, can't change it now so why dwell on it? Why does it matter if it was 2 or 200 years ago?
>>59588828
Soviet Union turned out better than expected then, it's their ideology that was shit.
>Still a huge improvement over the Shah.
Still not a democracy or good
>And they also have a body count to rival any of history's greatest mass murders, most estimates put it at 29 million.
Small potatoes considering the population density of the world was massive by the time the British empire was at their zenith and ruled over a billion people. Many wars in China itself have even more than that and this was before the world had massive populations. Shit the Mongols killed a third of the planet in their reign an estimated 70 million people, and this was back in the 1200-1300s. The world was far better off because of the Brits.
>>59588878
Because Islamist radicals are a contemporary problem in Britain and the British empire does not exist any more. It's called priorities. Regardless you're ignoring I'm pointing out your own hypocrisy. You're shitposting for the sake of shitposting.
This is my favorite.
>>59588989
Yet they've still killed far more people than the Nazis or ISIS, and yet do you have such a lenient view of them? Especially the Nazis, they were also responsible for many great scientific achievements.
>The world was far better off because of the Brits.
Maybe, but you'd essentially have to argue that all of their advancements wouldn't have been possible without committing as many crimes as they did, which seems exceedingly doubtful.
Also I think you have to take a long hard look at who is actually better off, certainly the people the Brits (and Europeans in general) were conquering weren't better off. They generally didn't see any of the prosperity that they died to create. And to a large extent they still don't. Whatever good the British Empire managed to create seems to have only benefited a fraction of the world's population who were lucky enough to not be on the receiving end of their conquest.
>>59589170
Everyone has killed people, we've been over this. There has never been and never will be a truly altruistic nation.
>Maybe, but you'd essentially have to argue that all of their advancements wouldn't have been possible without committing as many crimes as they did, which seems exceedingly doubtful.
Getting China addicted to Opium and balancing the debt of their silver bullion is literally what funded their takeover of India. They then extorted India and brought the riches home, calling it the Jewel of the British empire they made investing in india a top priority, fixing administration, public sanitation, bringing western medicines, providing public order, feeding the people etc. They still extorted them and ruled them. They then got even richer by putting sugar plantations all over the Americas and this funded the massive efforts it took to kick-start the industrial revolution. One of the single more important if not the most important stages in human history.
>Also I think you have to take a long hard look at who is actually better off, certainly the people the Brits (and Europeans in general) were conquering weren't better off. They generally didn't see any of the prosperity that they died to create. And to a large extent they still don't. Whatever good the British Empire managed to create seems to have only benefited a fraction of the world's population who were lucky enough to not be on the receiving end of their conquest.
Tell me honestly do you really think, all the Anglo sphere, India, Hongcong and P re-zimbabwe Rhodesia would enjoy nearly the same standards of living and easy accessible life today if not for the British empire?
