Why are people on 4chan obsessed with Muslims and Islam that much?
She has a cute butt but I don't like the panties.
>>59133109
you tell me, vladimiritrovich
also those are horrible haram panties
wouldn't fuck
>>59133109
That's not the mongols, japans and finns.
/pol/ feel the need to push their shit in absolutely every fucking thread.
It gets tiring when you're discussing what kind of car you like, and you suddenly get accused of supporting immigration, wanting a nigger dick inside your wife's daughter, and being cuckolded.
>>59133194
Kek, my second name is Vladimirovich IRL. But how can I tell you, our propaganda is obsessed but Russian anon doesn't give a fuck usually because of countercultural nature of imageboards.
>>59133330
>I drive a Volvo. It's prett-
>HAHA KEK KEK KEK SWEDEN YES KEKITY KEK
because on one hand they create an image of unstoppable force, giants and really strong community
and on the other hand they're weak and enabled by even weaker which creates giants waves of butthurt
Islam is like a bragging fag with 100% steroid muscles who you would fuck up easily, but he's defended by femprincipal after menopause
>>59136624
What a bullshit. There is no such a thing like a Muslim unity, religion means nothing nowdays. People are concerned about culture, nation etc so Muslim Turks hate Muslim Kurds, Muslim Arabs hate Muslim Turks and so.
>>59133109
4chan's /pol/itical contingent is 90% Balkan, Turk and Middle-Eastern diaspora and the axis of their interaction is Islam.
I am not even being facetious or sarcastic here.
>you'll never smell her muslim bombings (aka farts)
Why even live
>>59137079
You're being dumb instead
>>59137139
Are you the perpetually butthurt Afghan/Turk expatriate?
What's your problem m8?
>>59133109
We're obsessed with Muslim women
I miss the times when this meme was used very often
>>59133109
>Why are people on 4chan obsessed with Muslims and Islam that much?
They are the biggest threat of humanity in our time
That's like asking why brits were so obsessed about the plague during the 100 years war
>>59137235
I suppose /pol/ was right a few times too often for some of their opinions not to become mainstream here
>>59137177
Are you the perpetually dumb negro? What's your problem?
>>59137183
More with Muslim men really :^)
>>59137235
You can't even use it noadays without a bunch of newfags shouting "hurr durr 4chan has always been reactionary"
>>59133109
Imagine having a really ugly flatmate who gargles phlegm when he whines in his weird language about how much he hates you or the way you live and how entitled he is to take your stuff.
>>59137431
Nobody's against a healthy measure of German nationalism, racial pride, etc.
But /pol/ would literally chastise a far right supporter here for having a 0.0001% on [select political issue].
>>59137465
Why do you hate me so much, Afghanbro? You can always tell when it's muslim diaspora via the pent-up anger and hatred for black muslim countries.
>>59137535
0.0001% variation*
>The middle east will never be turned to glass by the western powers
>>59137535
>But /pol/ would literally chastise a far right supporter here for having a 0.0001% on [select political issue].
That doesn't stop them from being right on some things like
>the rise of trump
>the rise of isis
>muslim chimpouts during new-years
>the following cover-up
>etc.
all of that was called
>>59137535
I'm a 100% white Dutch heterosexual atheist male
>>59137431
The only thing that drove /pol/ to the mainstream was the gamershit and then Islamic happenings in EU. There's no denying the two subjects had inherently bad things in them which /pol/ may have pointed out, but it did so while presenting their own cancerous ideology and many swallowed it because let's face it most of the users on this site are young clueless people who are still forming their opinions about the world.
>>59137493
I think 4chan has been always about the finding balance which caused the illusion of it leaning left when right rises or leaning right when left rises. That being said, we do have users from extremes on both sides right and left on this site, mostly right.
>>59137677
Then what's your problem? Why do you feel compelled to attack me in almost every thread I voice my opinion on Islam?
>>59137665
It's just an accurate reading of mass hysteria/populism. Those were pretty much given.
>>59137762
It has nothing to do with Islam, I attack you in every thread I see period because you deserve it
>>59137734
You give /pol/ too much credit
>>59137762
>of mass hysteria/populism
No hysteria involved and populism has pretty bad connotations, it just means that you do what the people want, really
populus = the people
>>59137833
Why? You do understand that these are the only people I interact with regularly, right? This is a social outlet for me.
>>59137858
That's what I was referring to, stupidity en masse. Muslims/African refugees know they can escape punishment by manipulating western sympathy.
>>59137949
>Muslims/African refugees know they can escape punishment by manipulating western sympathy.
For now.
>>59137665
>the rise of trump
Oh fuck off. Most people on /pol/ thought he was a joke at the beginning of his compaign. It's only after he made the comments about the wall/banning Muslims that he grew popular.
Appealing to the angry, populist voters is something politicians have been doing (and succeding) for decades for decades so his "rise" was clear to anyone barring retards who never opened up a book.
>the rise of isis
They predicted a radicalist group was going to rise in power within the vacuum created by American forces. That's common sense. Every action has a reaction.
>muslim chimpouts during new-years
They also predicted lots of other things like the Pope being assassinated during that official dinner thing he had because he said he didn't need any bodyguards as well as multiple terror attacks on special holidays- which obviously never came true.
>the following cover-up
Germany was covering up quite a bit by then. It's pretty clear they were going to keep going.
I actually stopped browsing /pol/ because I swear to god the average IQ of the place has dropped to the lower double digits.
want to put my Willy in her bum
>>59138239
/pol/ got dumber after that whole diaspora thing GG caused. It is just an even dumber stormfront.
>>59136922
Muslim Turks and Muslim Kurds dont hate each other. Those two hate leftist Kurds.
>>59137833
>>59137949
Oh I see, you hate me because I am black and deserve to be genocided, right?
>>59138265
We all do so, we all do. I'd pray at the altar of her rectum, and receive baptism from her pure anal cum.
>>59138239
>for decades
millenia actually, caesar was a populist among many others
>It's only after he made the comments about the wall/banning Muslims that he grew popular.
Even after that the entire american media and "experts" counted him out as you might recall
>I actually stopped browsing /pol/ because I swear to god the average IQ of the place has dropped to the lower double digits.
I never browsed /pol/ except from dips from time to time for cheap laughs, the fact that you ever stayed there at all is worrying
>Germany was covering up quite a bit by then. It's pretty clear they were going to keep going.
Called before it happened, lad
I'm not saying pol is always right, but that they have been doesn't mean they are geniuses, it simply led to the ideas they had which were right became more widespread
E.g, disdain for quantifiably inferior muslim culture, which has been spreading
>>59138414
>hate
that's a pretty strong word, m8
>>59138466
I still post like I am treading on eggshells, because I am afraid people here dislike me, same applies to real life and near windows inside my house (audible speech).
>>59133109
>Why are people on 4chan obsessed with Muslims and Islam that much?
I think the whole cuckoldry bullshit is getting out of hand
>>59138532
>I still post like I am treading on eggshells, because I am afraid people here dislike me,
What the fuck is wrong with you?
That aside
do you hate a fly when you kill it?
Planned genocides are rarely enacted through hatred, hatred is too personal
>>59138625
>What the fuck is wrong with you?
Very afraid, very afraid. I spend most of my time outside listening and avoiding contact till I return, it's very nerve-racking.
>>59138625
>do you hate a fly when you kill it?
I understand your logical approach, but in a purely biological sense elimination of flies would disrupt the global ecology, same way genociding us would probably be counter-productive in terms of future cheap-labour.
>>59133330
I've never seen anyone jump ship like that without being called out for it.
Maybe you come say some gay ass shit and get rightly bantered about it.
>>59138435
>millenia actually, caesar was a populist among many others
I meant to write for centuries but yeah.
>Even after that the entire american media and "experts" counted him out as you might recall
American media also counted Obama out of the elections for when he was running. Both of them. And like people demean Trump to being some TV show host idiot (which he kinda is desu) Obama kept pushed down for
>"Nobody wants to serve under a nigger prez LOL"
>Called before it happened, lad
Eh?
> it simply led to the ideas they had which were right became more widespread
E.g, disdain for quantifiably inferior muslim culture, which has been spreading
While some are being spread around (even on other boards) there's a lot that still isn't i.e the unironic purge all non-whites/sterilise them sentiment.
>I never browsed /pol/ except from dips from time to time for cheap laughs, the fact that you ever stayed there at all is worrying
Oh come on. Don't be like that.
/pol/ actually used to be one of the best places on the chins once a time. Everyone was allowed to post there as long as they had a solid argument unlike recently where it's shitty meme central.
You had all kinds of users from around the world. Communists, atheists, (lol) anarchists and even muslims.
It's not like that nowadays where the board is Christian majority with a large bias towards it.
>>59137665
are you retarded?
>>59138846
>but in a purely biological sense elimination of flies would disrupt the global ecology,
There are always more flies somewhere
> same way genociding us would probably be counter-productive in terms of future cheap-labour.
You're forgetting all those asians
smarter, more efficient, easier to educate and integrate
>>59139087
>While some are being spread around (even on other boards) there's a lot that still isn't i.e the unironic purge all non-whites/sterilise them sentiment.
Indeed, which is what I've said all along
I'm not entirely sure if you disagree with me or not because you're mostly just saying what I'm saying, m80
>>59139217
>I'm not entirely sure if you disagree with me or not because you're mostly just saying what I'm saying, m80
I was going against you for saying
>That doesn't stop them from being right on some things like
Which I explained before.
Not sure what's going on here right now desu...
>>59139328
>Which I explained before.
Well yes, they were right on some stuff
you said why, but that doesn't change them being right
You're weird my friend
>>59139087
Flags were a catalyst, but I think that's the natural lifespan of an anonymous forum - first the sacred principle of free speech is honoured, then debate tactics become pervasive, then it eventually devolves into a hivemind with the most aggressive group dominating
I don't have enough experience to confirm this though.
>>59139217
>You're forgetting all those asians
..who are in the ascendancy, becoming more skilled, dominating western academia, and all in all creating a massive gaping hole in the lower/lower-middle class
Ruthless logic =/ Edginess and Shock-an-awe tactics
And that's the problem here now. The biggest irony of /pol/ is that it responded to the irate, emotional, reactionary left it constantly belittles, in the exact same manner: irate, emotional and reactionary.
>>59139409
Them being right is irrelevant. Anybody with a brain could have figured out what was going to happen next. The fact that /pol/ barely did doesn't matter.
But we're all weird in a way :^)
>>59139605
>Them being right is irrelevant.
It caused their ideas to spread
>Anybody with a brain could have figured out what was going to happen next.
And yet people didn't but they did
>The fact that /pol/ barely did doesn't matter.
It matters in so far that it has made some of their ideas more acceptable, which is all I ever claimed
>..who are in the ascendancy, becoming more skilled, dominating western academia, and all in all creating a massive gaping hole in the lower/lower-middle class
When you think of China you think of the city population, out in the country where a large part of them lives some people still live like they did in the stone-age
That aside, we have enough workers for the shitty jobs ourselves and cheap labour becomes less and less important the better machines get
>And that's the problem here now. The biggest irony of /pol/ is that it responded to the irate, emotional, reactionary left it constantly belittles, in the exact same manner: irate, emotional and reactionary.
I'm just saying, genociding your people would probably not do horrible economical damage to the world and would most likely be beneficial in the long run
Sorry bout that, bro
>>59140007
>And yet people didn't but they did
m8 this isn't a bullseye, you're shooting a massive wall and considering any contact a momentous victory.
>>59140007
>I'm just saying, genociding your people would probably not do horrible economical damage to the world and would most likely be beneficial in the long run
So if we were to institute a genocidal eugenics programme, how much of Germany or Europe would also go with us?
>>59140188
>m8 this isn't a bullseye, you're shooting a massive wall and considering any contact a momentous victory.
I merely pointed to the reason why it happened, I never said they were snipers
>So if we were to institute a genocidal eugenics programme, how much of Germany or Europe would also go with us?
Since we established that we are doing so for economical reasons and europe is essential for the world economy and one of the greatest forces of scientific progress in the world
Probably none
>>59140287
>Since we established that we are doing so for economical reasons and europe is essential for the world economy and one of the greatest forces of scientific progress in the world
>Probably none
What about German drug addicts, ethnic criminals, mentally retarded, the treasonous, the obese and tiresome towards the medical system, the unskilled labourers that will be replaced by machines, the vegetables in hospitals, the sub 104 IQ., etc...
You said the basic criterion was economic utility didn't you? How much German fat should also be shed to maximize the profits of the enlightened elite? And how will you convince their families to comply?
>>59137385
Islam has been existing for the last 1500 years and we have always had a lot of Muslims in Russia. I don't see any "threat" and I don't understand why people is obsessed with them. Okay, West may have some national tensions but why don't westerners here complain about Arabs, Somalians etc, but complain about Muslims. I don't think they welcome Christian Africans or Gulf Arabs, Indonesians, Tatars etc are annoying them. It's a pure idiotic and illogical pol agenda that conquers and kills 4chan.
>>59140394
>What about German drug addicts, ethnic criminals, mentally retarded, the treasonous, the obese and tiresome towards the medical system, the unskilled labourers that will be replaced by machines, the vegetables in hospitals, the sub 104 IQ., etc...
Forced re-education, the Germans have proven time and time again to be of good genetical stock and re-education is more efficient
If you want prussians in space a body cult is necessary to get rid of drug addicts, fatties and the like, genetical failures will be bred out soon due to biological engineering, treason can be reduced to the max by indoctrination into nationalism, vegetables in hospitals can be turned off, etc.
>You said the basic criterion was economic utility didn't you? How much German fat should also be shed to maximize the profits of the enlightened elite?
Eventually all of it
>And how will you convince their families to comply?
Who says they'd have a choice?
That aside, Hitler did it via nationalism and nowadays people are much smarter about both dictatorships and indoctrination
>>59140473
>Islam has been existing for the last 1500 years and we have always had a lot of Muslims in Russia
No offense, but the main-reason for that is probably that russians are the kind of backward fucks as muslims in many ways, the only difference is that you don't cling to it as much so it's way easier to educate it out of you with western culture when you immigrate and subsequently integrate
>>59140552
>>59140394
Also, the fact that I'm discussing the economical viability of genocide with a sudanese guy is fairly weird
>>59133160
That's why you rip a hole in them and punish her with your cock.
>>59140552
>Forced re-education, the Germans have proven time and time again to be of good genetical stock and re-education is more efficient
Why doesn't the same excuse apply to different other white ethnicities, then? By saying only germans should retain the capacity for rehabilitation, you're saying everyone east of the border and south of France is irreparably damaged, and should conversely, also be exterminated.
Aren't you going to examine cases individually? Because if you do, you'll have to be committed to eliminating cases within your own ethnicity as well
>>59140649
:)
>>59133109
Is that ugly white rectangle supposed to be there or did she stick something in her panties to hide her butthole?
>>59140831
Maxipad
>>59140758
>Why doesn't the same excuse apply to different other white ethnicities, then?
Did I say it doesn't?
>By saying only germans
>only
I didn't.
>Aren't you going to examine cases individually?
Genocide isn't about individual cases, my friend
I need a reason to be angry at stuff.
>>59140914
>Genocide isn't about individual cases, my friend
So why do you find it acceptable to exterminate an entire race of people, but not the same inferior ones within yours?
>>59140954
>you find it acceptable
what the fuck, dude. Don't be retarded.
>>59140610
Again, why do you complain about religion, but not about nation? It's stupid as hell. Do you welcome African Christians? Do you like Mexicans? Do you hate Bosnians or Tatars?
People here are obsessed with religion while it's extremely retarded and obsolete. That's illogic pol agenda that pushes their ideas that confuse race and religion, nation and culture. It's just illogic and cancerous.
>>59140954
>So why do you find it acceptable to exterminate an entire race of people, but not the same inferior ones within yours?
Because single cases can be rehabilitated to be brought back into the fold
If an entire people is bad you can't reeducate individuals to join the people again, and educating an entire people without severely dimishing their numbers has never worked historically
>>59141085
>Again, why do you complain about religion, but not about nation?
Because both are not comparable and you making the comparison probably means you're a communist who believes that the world should have no borders
>Do you welcome African Christians?
They are certainly better than their muslim counter parts, if that's what you're asking
Would I welcome them? No, what for? Germany does not need them.
>People here are obsessed with religion while it's extremely retarded and obsolete.
Religion gives culture, if the religion sucks, the culture sucks, if the culture sucks, the people suck
it's that easy
>>59141086
>If an entire people is bad
Show me the criteria for an irreparably damaged 'people, and we can begin assessing their applicability to others.
I bet I can easily exterminate a big chunk of South USA and Eastern Europe with them, along with others (arabia, latin america, SE Asia).
>>59141048
????
>>59141048
this is not about ethics my friend
>>59141178
>Show me the criteria for an irreparably damaged 'people, and we can begin assessing their applicability to others.
Several centuries of uselessness and the inability to integrate in great numbers when they were brought to culturally superior countries
an example
Russians suck
Do russians integrate and become irrecognisible as russians in the second and third generation already? Yes
Muslims suck
Do muslims integrate and become irrecognisible as muslims in the second and third generation already? No, they become worse
>I bet I can easily exterminate a big chunk of South USA and Eastern Europe with them, along with others (arabia, latin america, SE Asia).
Not according to what I've just said.
>>59141287
>integration is the prime criterion
Why would I integrate a Russian when I could abolish any 'lesser' immigration and maintain or increase the superior ethnic German? Also If the average Russian is the benchmark then a good 15-30% of Germany will be obliterated under your eugenics scheme.
/pol/ really is the perfect boogeyman excuse, no need to argue, just say ''go back to /pol/'' or ''found the /pol/tard'' and their argument's points are automatically discarded. Group all the negative right wing opinions you can think of and claim /pol/ follows them all like a hivemind.
It's almost the same as the tumblr boogeyman used to discard left-leaning opinions. Or the reddit boogeyman to discard pretty much anything you disagree with regardless of topic.
>>59141392
>Why would I integrate a Russian when I could abolish any 'lesser' immigration and maintain or increase the superior ethnic German?
To spread the superiotity, obviously
There are millions of eastern europeans, turning them into productive citizens is more efficient than German breeding programs
Also, integration is not the main factor, just the consequence
The lack of a pervasive, backward, barbaric culture which refuses to be bred out is
>Also If the average Russian is the benchmark then a good 15-30% of Germany will be obliterated under your eugenics scheme.
You clearly do not know Germany (or Russia, I do not know, maybe both)
And even if that would be the case, re-education would still be possible for them as they don't have a horribad cultural background
>>59141086
I wonder, will Germans ever learn?
There were the times when Germanic peoples were savages while ancestors of Arabs were living in a cozy civilization. All the researches conducted show us that race doesn't matter, read any anthropologist on it. State institutions and education only matter. We have ton of examples from UAE to Singapore when shithole became 1st world in a few decades due to the good institutions. As I've mentioned above, poltard constructs are highly illogical and can be disproven by any sane person, but they push on emotions as any other propaganda and becoming popular ruining 4chan. 4chan was a free thinking board once but now it's reactionery forum for barely educated schoolboys. Look at 2ch, for example, it's our Russian imageboard. Comfy place with predominately liberal attitudes, place when gay people are treated as humans, the one of a few places on RuNet where intellectual discussions are possible. There are many educated persons and thematic boards are of very high quality. 4chan now is an opposite of this and I go here with some disguise now just to talk to anons from other countries. It may be because of the fact that imageboards attract social outcasts and in a shitty countries those outcasts are educated and liberal people while in successful countries those outcasts are uneducated morons with retarded attitudes so the European and American posters are usually dumb assholes who ruin 4chan, consisting majority of users.
>>59141531
You've used that excuse twice now, the capacity for rehabilitation. Eventually you'll reapply it sparingly to each and every ethnicity you take a liking to, and eventually reduce it to individual cases.
I remember a certain German demanding the extermination of 1/2-2/3 of the Russian population.
ITT alot of people who don't understand that /pol/ is satire
>>59141602
This is way too much to read
>>59141607
>You've used that excuse twice now, the capacity for rehabilitation.
Well, it is my primary argument
>Eventually you'll reapply it sparingly to each and every ethnicity you take a liking to, and eventually reduce it to individual cases.
Well in the real world I wouldn't argue for genocide, so as this is a hypothetical setting, no I wouldn't as you haven't given me a reason to actually do so
>I remember a certain German demanding the extermination of 1/2-2/3 of the Russian population.
He demanded a lot of contradictory things
>>59141287
>Russians suck
>Do russians integrate and become irrecognisible as russians in the second and third generation already? Yes
>Muslims suck
>Do muslims integrate and become irrecognisible as muslims in the second and third generation already? No, they beco
Isn't that more to do with Muslims being ethnically recognizable compared to Russians who just need to ditch an accent to fit in?
Like even Asians who behaved well and tried to integrate within the US failed to integrate for a few generations due to the large anti-asian/yellow peril bias the 20th century.
Compared to other (white) immigrants who were much worse, yet somehow became accepted later on/
>>59141167
>Because both are not comparable
Okay, let's explain it more easy. Poltards complain about black people (at all) and Muslims (at all), honouring Christianity and white people. But how do poltards treat white Muslims? How do poltards treat black Christians? They still consider them shit.
Hence two different pol attitudes contradict each other, but poltards keep in mind both without any intellectual discomfort. I could understand if they were logical and liked all the Christians when praising Christianity and despising Islam, or hated all the black or brown people while praising all the white people. But they don't.
>>59141602
Churka?
>>59141739
No it ain't
>>59141752
And therein lies the unfeasibility of an eugenics or genocidal programme (not that I should talk).
You will never be able to establish a satisfactory benchmark, nor will you be able to stop (eliminate Africans today, Arabia tomorrow, Latin America after tom..).
Also consider a country like America, where the mere suggestion of inter-ethnic superiority would create a murderous frenzy (Irish/Italian/Greek white vs Germanic/Anglo white and so forth).
This is a very dangerous thought. In this day and age we can't afford to judge things in broad terms (all whites, all muslims, all blacks, etc) as well.
>>59141739
Is it, do you really think that
Because they are a menace.
>>59141816
>Isn't that more to do with Muslims being ethnically recognizable compared to Russians who just need to ditch an accent to fit in?
Nope, it's because muslims stick among themselves completely and refuse to integrate for the most part
Europe has had many approaches for muslim integration, none of them worked
Wanna know which one worked? The old one of america, which forced them to lay off their culture, embrace the american way of life and become americans, which is sadly not done anymore which is why new muslims in america are so much worse integrated
>Like even Asians who behaved well and tried to integrate within the US failed to integrate for a few generations due to the large anti-asian/yellow peril bias the 20th century.
We're not talking about the past but the present here
That aside, even those asians were economically succesful
>>59141850
>But how do poltards treat white Muslims? How do poltards treat black Christians? They still consider them shit.
I'm not arguing for pol here
For me it would still be culture, most black countries have shitty cultures, all muslim countries have shitty cultures
>>59141920
>You will never be able to establish a satisfactory benchmark, nor will you be able to stop (eliminate Africans today, Arabia tomorrow, Latin America after tom..).
I can and have done both
Latin americans integrate, arabs do not and africans do not, east asians do, the parts of asia which were touched by islam do not
It's that simple
>This is a very dangerous thought. In this day and age we can't afford to judge things in broad terms (all whites, all muslims, all blacks, etc) as well.
Don't be scared to think
>>59142039
>>59141920
Shitty cultures are the reason, integration is basically the test
Do people integrate? Yes? Good.
Do they not, in every country, despite the attempts of all of them? No. Bad.
>>59142088
But you implied earlier that integration was primarily dependent on racial/genetic constitution.
What if I am seemingly incapable of abandoning Islam, or some obscure African tribal beliefs. And what about Germans that forego their respective culture and adopt foreign ones?
If you hate Nazism but defend Islam, then you're a hypocrite. Islam only adds a minor religious part to the political ideology as a fallback but it's the same shit.
>>59142195
>But you implied earlier that integration was primarily dependent on racial/genetic constitution.
Did I?
You might have just read that into it.
>What if I am seemingly incapable of abandoning Islam, or some obscure African tribal beliefs.
Death, I thought I made that clear.
> And what about Germans that forego their respective culture and adopt foreign ones?
That hasn't happened in large numbers and I doubt it ever will.
But since they have the cultural background of a German, even if they went over to the dark side, they should be able to come back
Makes me think of muslim converts or young muslims from european countries who go to syria to fight for the IS and then flee after a while and come back to europe crying like little bitches and becoming atheists and christians while their muslim parents don't know if they should be ashamed of them or proud or ashamed
So if you found the islamic faith late in your life, there's lots of hope for you, of course, under a regime which lays down the death sentence for being part of that religion only those willing to die for it or too stupid to realize how serious it is would remain in it, so death would still be the answer as they'd either be radicals or really, really dumb
>>59142381
What if France, Britain or the USA and Israel declare current German culture inferior, and attempt to invade and genocide the entire population?
>>59142381
pls don't genocide me ;__;
>>59142450
>What if France, Britain or the USA and Israel declare current German culture inferior, and attempt to invade and genocide the entire population?
Then there would be war, however, since all of those countries are built on the same cultural tradition they'd have to make up some new, wonky rules, not dependant on the ability to integrate due to the cultural background
And even if they would, it would have no bearing on my hypothetical position
>>59142498
Don't worry, little asian friend
Your culture is not islamic as far as I know, so this hypothetical situation holds no danger for you
And even if it would, I don't actually hold the positions I defend here, don't worry
>>59142602
>And even if it would, I don't actually hold the positions I defend here, don't worry
Well, not all of them, the fact that muslims can't integrate is true, however, I'd rather seperate them from culturally more advanced people than kill them all
Ethics
>>59142039
>Africans do not
I know a guy living here who's from Portugal, he's a total bro, I don't know what you're on about
>>59142675
>>59142602
>make up some new, wonky rules,
They don't have to if they elect nationalistic regimes and get tired of your sympathy for immigration. They could declare it an inextricable part of the german culture/psyche and attack you for harboring say, ISIS adherents.
>>59142744
>They don't have to if they elect nationalistic regimes and get tired of your sympathy for immigration.
>sympathy for immigration.
But I have none
I'm not saying we should take in the whole world, I'm saying we should judge people based on their ability to act like civilized human beings in a civilized society
>They could declare it an inextricable part of the german culture/psyche and attack you for harboring say, ISIS adherents.
> attack you for harboring say, ISIS adherents.
Now why would I do that?
let's ignore my counter points to that though, more importantly
Why would it matter what other governments would do for my original position?
>>59142744
>but what if the USA suddenly says that democracies suck and attacks Germany
?
>>59142869
>Why would it matter what other governments would do for my original position?
Because the last time you did take such a stance, the entire western world wasn't so happy
> I'm saying we should judge people based on their ability to act like civilized human beings in a civilized society
This directly contradicts the genocidal scheme you put forth in the beginning.
>>59142909
A faltering one at that, and they don't need a full-fledged attack, they could just impose a bit of order if the refugee/ISIS situation begins to remotely affect them.
>>59143002
>Because the last time you did take such a stance, the entire western world wasn't so happy
Once again, why would that matter?
>This directly contradicts the genocidal scheme you put forth in the beginning.
Genocide can be quite civilized. That aside, violent problems sometimes require violent resolutions. You might also note that ethics aren't a factor here.
>they could just impose a bit of order if the refugee/ISIS situation begins to remotely affect them.
How would it affect them once Trump has stopped muslim immigration?
>>59143121
>Once again, why would that matter?
It's the only recent major application of what we've been discussing
>How would it affect them once Trump has stopped muslim immigration?
How would trump determine so and so is invariably Muslim? He/she could just as well obtain American citizenship and use Germany as a platform. Also In terms of Russian imperialism, having Germany in their pocket would be great for the Americans.
we love explosions
>>59143253
>It's the only recent major application of what we've been discussing
You said genocide would be a bad idea, I said that the world would probably be better off without muslims in the long run
I do not see how that disproves my point that the world would be better in the long run if all muslims would die or convert
>How would trump determine so and so is invariably Muslim?
It's in your pass, also, stop immigration from islamic countries
> He/she could just as well obtain American citizenship
How would a muslim get american citizenship without even being allowed in?
>Germany as a platform
Germans do not have automatic american citizenship
>>59143362
>How would a muslim get american citizenship without even being allowed in?
>be non-ethnic German
>declare myself irreligious
>apply for american citizenship on ethnic grounds
>receive acceptance
>use it as a platform for recruitment of others under the same scheme
>use Germany's lack of surveillance to advantage
Or they could recruit undercover ethnic Germans
>I do not see how that disproves my point that the world would be better in the long run if all muslims would die or convert
You haven't even put forth a proper list of why besides integration, which is difficult to establish/quantify.
>>59143362
If there's no muslims there will be another group causing trouble in this world
>>59133109
>muslims
They're called ''tanned germans'' now, Ivan
>>59133194
>hating dat panties
faggot confirmed
>>59135043
to be fair you had that coming, škoda is the official /int/ car
>>59143506
>>apply for american citizenship on ethnic grounds
>on ethnic grounds
What?
>>use Germany's lack of surveillance to advantage
> lack of surveillance
Niggerfriend you do not know what you are talking about
Count up the big terrorist attacks in America, france, belgium, the netherlands, etc.
then think of a German one
You won't find any, there have been about a dozen attempts, probably more which I've never heard of and which were never made public, but islamic terrorists are always caught before they get to it here
Say whatever the fuck you want about Germany but our secret service is efficient
We were also the ones who passed along the info which led to Osama getting killed to the americans
>You haven't even put forth a proper list of why besides integration, which is difficult to establish/quantify.
You're inefficient economically and the integrationtest has shown that islam is the main problem
>>59143595
I never say it would solve all problems, but it would solve many
Everyone here secretly want 4 wives.
Even me.
>>59142203
Islam is not an ideology. Jihadism/islamism are, and they actually are very right wing, but defending Muslims from opression by their religion doesn't mean you support that religion and, moreover, support right wing political ideologies connected to it.
>>59142088
What do you mean by integration? There are tons of Russian putin-wankers who hate countries they live in as well as there are many Muslims or black people who are good citizens.
Most of immigrants everywhere obey the law, pay taxes and work to feed their families. Their children and grandchildren may suffer some crisis of identity but would look pretty same to locals eventually. Human history proves there are never were unintegrateable peoples. Human nature commands to fuck and mix despite the religious or ethnic borders. Even Jews are mostly secular and indistinguishable from locals now, barbarians who conquered Rome became romanised in a few generations. I am not talking about the fact that Russians and Tatars have been living together for ages and most of Russians have some Tatar ancestors as well as most of Tatars have some Russian heritage.
>>59143754
You seem to speak in very broad terms, opine to no end, but you don't tolerate any sort of scrutiny or speculation.
>>59143797
what an incredibly nihilistic worldview.
>>59143845
this is once again too much text to respond to, just read all my posts, maybe they will answer your question
>>59143877
We were talking about a hypothetical situation and I was defending a position I do not hold in which ethics do not matter
>but you don't tolerate any sort of scrutiny or speculation.
That's retarded of you to say, actually read what I've written
If you have something to add, do so
>>59143888
Nice trips
And it isn't nihilistic, it is logical
Islam causes a lot of problems, it is neither good, nor necessary or even something you should wish anybody to be a part of
There is no reason for its existence, but many against it
>>59143986
>actually read what I've written
Okay, let's settle this. Let's assume that integration is the litmus test.
How would you, in strictly tangible or practical terms, determine that someone is indefinitely integrated? Because it's inconceivable how that would be achieved.
>>59141908
No, I am just not a rightard (as most of Russian). Nazi ideas are not really popular here. Russia is a very right wing state in all but we have many religions and nations so they all recognized traditional peoples and religions of Russia and honoured simultaneously. Government greeting traditionalist Christians, traditionalist Muslims, national traditions of all the people etc. Poltards often appreciate Russia as a very right wing traditionalist state, but they usually don't know that nazis are despised here and all the traditional cultures and religions honoured simultaneously, both white or not.
>>59133109
Because they refuse to leave us.
>>59144044
>How would you, in strictly tangible or practical terms, determine that someone is indefinitely integrated? Because it's inconceivable how that would be achieved.
Do they speak the language like a native?
Do they have similar statistics in regards to their school grades and employment?
Do they segregate themselves in small communities or are they spread around Germans?
Muslims segregate themselves in little ghettos, barely speak German, often after 3 generations, get shitty grades in school, have a high unenmployment rate and shitty education
It is that simple
You act like one couldn't statistically tell apart muslims from other immigrants, when that is clearly the case
We have quantifiable metrics for this
>>59133109
Gives them purpose
>>59142039
>The old one of america, which forced them to lay off their culture, embrace the american way of life and become American
That's bullshit, America has never cared about cultural policy and people just melted spontaneously. They did not demand people to abandon their cultures, it is happening gradually with all the peoples who live together, they melt with each other.
>>59143986
Those problems wouldn't fix themselves if Islam is erased
>>59143986
It is Nihilistic because you don't seem to place any value on human life, or at least the human life that isn't similar to yours. Selective Nihilism, maybe?
I'm sure your intentions are benevolent, but this reminds of a scene from A Man For All seasons where Thomas More asks a witch hunter if he would break the law and violate human decency to kill the Devil. The witch hunter replies that he would cut down every law in England if he could do that.
Thomas More then says, "And when the devil turns around to fight you, with his entire infernal apparatus at his side, where will you hide behind then, the laws of England all having been cut down?"
>>59144178
>We have quantifiable metrics for this
That would eliminate a subsection, but you're committed to ridding your community of Islam, so how will the remainder who pass those tests be dealt with?
>>59144245
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Since my simplified version did not do it for you, let's get into detail, pay attention.
In the good old days the american way of life was universally seen as superior in both america and shitty countries, which made both americans and others want to BE american
So if a russian went to america during the cold war they didn't hold their old culture close, when they got children they spoke english with them and generally didn't talk much about the old homeland at all, except maybe to quip that it kinda sucked there
They denied themselves their own culture due to the belief that the american one was superior and due to the entire nation around them sharing that belief
there are some interesting studies and academical papers written about this, if you are an integrational scientist you'll want to check them out
>>59144251
>Those problems wouldn't fix themselves if Islam is erased
The islamic ones would
Islamic terrorism doesn't exist without islam
>>59144302
>It is Nihilistic because you don't seem to place any value on human life, or at least the human life that isn't similar to yours. Selective Nihilism, maybe?
Scroll up all the way or read some of my posts here, I mention in most of them that MY OPINION IS HYPOTHETICAL
I do not old this opinion, jesus fucking christ, learn to read
The point of this conversation was the question
>"would the world be better of in the long run with islam globally eradicated"
and the answer is: yes
>>59144420
>so how will the remainder who pass those tests be dealt with?
They are not practicing muslims, so why would anybody bother?
With them not practicing, the mosques destroyed and any active preacher or scholar killed any knowledge of it would die out except for scientific interest
>>59144432
>I mention in most of them that MY OPINION IS HYPOTHETICAL
I apologize for being forceful (I think you were frustrated with me earlier when you said 'Niggerfriend'), but this is my only interaction during the day and I appreciate you taking the time for it.
>>59144485
>I apologize for being forceful (I think you were frustrated with me earlier when you said 'Niggerfriend')
Don't worry you're fine, we're on 4chan, you can't expect not to be called a nigger here regardless of context or mood
You didn't piss me off, he did, due to his stupid inability to read, since I even addressed that exact point in a direct answer to him
>but this is my only interaction during the day and I appreciate you taking the time for it.
You're welcome
>>59143845
>Islam is not an ideology. Jihadism/islamism are
Jihad is part of Islam. It is a totalitarian and supremacist political ideology with a bit of religion.
>>59144432
And I agree, but your hypothetical scenario/psychotic dream is such an animal, caveman response, it makes me want to puke. Islam must be argued against and reformed, this is the only civilised way of dealing with this.
>>59143986
>denying to answer to uncomfortable posts
Kek.
I wonder, what's wrong with German culture? Why do they want to genocide people? It doesn't depend on object of hatred. They hated Jews back in the days, now they hate Muslims, than they would hate all the black people, than Hispanics, than Russians. What's wrong with them?
What if single Muslim women refugees were the only refugees allowed into Europe?
>>59144750
>single Muslim women refugees
Next thing you'll tell me they're virgin past the age of 2.
>>59144615
>and I agree, but your hypothetical scenario/psychotic dream is such an animal, caveman response, it makes me want to puke.
>psychotic dream
How does the phrase "I do not hold this opinion" pass by you so often?
I actually mentioned in a post before that I'd seperate muslims from civilized people instead, that would make reforming them easier as well
You really need to pay more attention when you read
> Islam must be argued against and reformed, this is the only civilised way of dealing with this.
Converting them to christianity would probably be more efficient to be honest
>>59144618
>>denying to answer to uncomfortable posts
When did I do that? I didn't answer the posts of that russian guy but that's just because I was already having a conversation and couldn't be bothered to answer such long and unorganized post as well
I didn't deny to answer them, I never even read them
>I wonder, what's wrong with German culture? Why do they want to genocide people?
Read the thread, my illiterate russian /int/olerant and you'll notice that I do not hold the position I'm arguing for here as I've mentioned about 10 times now
> now they hate Muslims
Everybody hates muslims, if you don't hten you're either one yourself or do not know them
>>59144432
>Islamic terrorism doesn't exist without islam
Another terrorism would pop-up anon, Islam is just tool
>>59144863
How can you hold this opinion, and with a clear conscious, no less?
>>59144432
Lol. No, it's you who don't know what you are talking about. American way of life has never been seen by immigrants as superior, despite of it most of immigrants kept their heritage. Look at all those muh heritage Italians, Irish etc not talking about Chinese or Hindus.
America had not and barely has now any cultural policy for immigrants, they all melt spontaneously. You know nothing about Russians who moved to USA during the Cold war. Most of them were anti-soviet nationalists who despised American culture as unspiritual, were very right wing, wanted USSR to be destroyed etc. Most of Russians living abroad speak Russian even if they are in 3rd or 4th generation. Self-hating Russian immigrants are the thing of Putin era where most of people who move are liberals who think that western lifestyle is the best, want Russia to be a European country etc.
>>59144933
>Another terrorism would pop-up anon, Islam is just tool
It's not just a tool, it's one of the main-reasons for it
How many people do you think would blow themselves up for communism?
There's no afterlife for atheists
>>59144946
>How can you hold this opinion, and with a clear conscious, no less?
Are you trolling?
I do not hold this opinion
>>59145035
Once again, that post is too long
What is it with russians and writing walls of text?
Seriously if your opinion on a goddamn 4chan post cannot be quickly summarized the fashion demonstrated by everyone in this thread but you it's not worth reading through
>>59144933
Remember when it was leftist terrorism?
>>59144612
Jihad in traditional Islam is seen as a spiritual fight or a war declared by Khalif (head of religious branch of state). Jihad as an act of perpetual war to establish world Islamic state similar to Muhammad times as close as possible is seen like that by salafi religious sect and political ideologies based on this sect of Islam only.
>>59145208
They were the exception, not the rule, did not kill themselves, were backed by a huge communistic regime and were really bad at it due to their unwillingness to just die for it
So yeah, since there won't be a huge muslim version of the USSR without islam, abolishing islam would help a lot
>>59145145
But many would die at the frontline for USSR
Islam itself isn't a single ideology, this is 2016, not many muslims want to blow up for 72 virgins
>>59145280
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Indonesia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Red_Army
>>59133330
Hello, is this your first time in 4chan? Would you like a quick tour?
>>59144863
>christianity
As shitty religion as any other. How can't you understand that behavior of man depends on his education first? Educated Muslim and educated Christian or atheist are all okay people who can talk with each other, be friends and so while Muslim and Christian low brow uneducated scum would be assholes killing each other?
>>59145421
4chan wasn't like this, at least at 2010, the first time I discovered this place, then I left for years and got back in 2015, many has changed
>>59144863
>When did I do that? I didn't answer the posts of that russian guy but that's just because I was already having a conversation and couldn't be bothered to answer such long and unorganized post as well
I didn't deny to answer them, I never even read them
Those justifyings, lol.
>>59145398
>But many would die at the frontline for USSR
The possibility to die with your compatriots by your side and the knowledge that you WILL die are 2 very, very different things, kiddo
>Islam itself isn't a single ideology, this is 2016, not many muslims want to blow up for 72 virgins
Let's not kid ourselves, while many do not want to die for islam, nearly all of them are backward savages, even in countries like England or sweden
>>59145449
>How can't you understand that behavior of man depends on his education first?
Because there are plenty of shitty muslim scholars with some pretty evil opinions
Education does not matter, culture does
>>59145511
>Those justifyings, lol.
Earn my attention if you want it, bitchboy
>>59145421
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>>59145551
Both are willing to die
>nearly all of them are backward savages
Have you ever met nearly all of them? If nearly all of us are savages I'd be dead now
>>59145611
晚上好同胞 INSHALLAH
>>59145145
Yes I was, but I'm sorry. I didn't know you were just playing the devil's advocate about the genocide bit. That doesn't invalidate any of my replies to you, though, I don't think. Sure, the world would be better off if Muslims didn't exist. But even if we ignored the moral outrage of genocide, I'm concerned about the can of worms it would open, the doors it would open.
>if they were converted to Christianity
yeah that's never gonna happen. we might as well be talking about what fairy wings would look like if they existed.
>>59145449
Christianity and Islam have nothing to do with each other. Stop falling for leftist, liberal, moral-relativist bullshit.
>>59145280
Islamism is a thing of the last 30 years. It was completely unpopular before 70s-80s when West started supporting them to oppose left governments in MENA. Let's say it again: Islam exists for 1500 years, it's one of world religions. Salafi Islam exists since late 18th century. Islamism as an ideology was establish by Al Afghani and Abdo in the late 19th century. It became popular in 1980s. The problem here is the right wing ideology based on religion that have spreaded all over the MENA because Western capitalists prefer anti-communist mentally enslaved religious people.
>>59145729
>Both are willing to die
What kind of retarded child are you not to understand the difference between a soldier with a chance to survive and a guy who blows himself up?
And no, most soldiers are NOT willing to die, they are willing to take the chance
fucking retard
>Have you ever met nearly all of them? If nearly all of us are savages I'd be dead now
I've seen their opinion polls from all over the world, if you believe in barbaric things, you're a savage, it's not that difficult
Do you think sharia law should be implemented?
>>59145802
>That doesn't invalidate any of my replies to you, though, I don't think.
It does, since if ethics are not a problem, netiher is the can
>yeah that's never gonna happen. we might as well be talking about what fairy wings would look like if they existed.
It wouldn't exactly be something entirely new to history
>>59145837
STRUCTURE
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then I will read them
short, crisp replies
Look at that guy from myanmar, his posts aren't even that short, but the way he presents them makes me want to reply
Nobody's going to eat a steak if it looks like shit ivan
>>59145837
Moors have killed over 270 million people in the name of their fake God since the inception of Islam. Not even WW1 and WW2 combined killed that many people.
>>59145837
this. Wahhabism has only been popular in recent years, mostly as a response to outside agression. Even if Islam magically disappeared tomorrow, it's completely uncertain that terrorism from the Arabs would stop.
>>59146015
You realize that muslim aggression has been the status quo since its inception, right?
>>59145145
your post was longer than his you retard
Islam will become a tooth-less religion like Christianity soon enough, what matters is the aftermath. All the signs are already there: low birth rates, high rates of female social participation, high divorce rates, low marriage rates..
We must lose all that was left to us, all those better men built to find ourselves again. A re-learning is in order, and our children's children will find out the truth once more.
>>59146056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69mGZQQgJxA
Learn to read, niggerboy
>>59146051
Ah yes. Because Muslims have been so busy invading other countries since the fall of Baghdad right? Look at all the land they conquered since then.
>>59146089
>he doesn't want to bring back the Crusades
As before, they're justified self-defense from Muslim attacks.
>>59146051
they were pretty calm after WW1.
they start to chimp out after their secular democracies failed because of corruption and stuff. this was the main reason of rise of radical islam.
>>59146157
>Because Muslims have been so busy invading other countries since the fall of Baghdad right?
Yes
>Look at all the land they conquered since then.
Aggression does not equal success
>>59145823
Both are nothing but sandnigger fairy tales, dumb as shit and need to die.
>>59146234
>egypt
but you are the sandnigger
>>59145934
They both there to kill people, let's move from this soldier thing and take a look at what communists did to us, killed many of our generals, killed innocents in Easter Java, they're both same shit, you can't decide which is better and which is worse
>Do you think sharia law should be implemented?
No, and most of Indonesians are against it (except Aceh) and you can go to jail if you speech about Indonesian caliphate in public
And Indonesia, although not a muslim country, is the country with the biggest muslim population
People like you disgust me the most, if we said that we want peace you wouldn't believe it
>>59146234
Christians aren't slaughtering non-believers. Thdy only did it in the past because Muslims attacked them (with some Jews helping the Muslims in the process), and even the mass killings by the Catholic Church and its Inquisition are nothing but leftist propaganda nonsense.
>>59146226
>Yes
Oh okay, if you say so. I honestly can't remember the last major jihad a Muslim country declared on a non Muslim one since then but you're clearly the know it all on the subject so I won't argue.
>>59146355
>let's move from this soldier thing and take a look at what communists
>let's look at how much of a victim I am
yeah, I'm fucking done with this thread
>>59146368
They slaughtered constantinople instead
T>>59145823
Those are very close religions both culturally and dogmatically.
>>59145985
>in the name of their fake God
First, most of conquests of Muslim peoples were not motivated by religion and contained pure economic reasons. Second, there was no thing like "Moors", Caliphate was not united since 8th century. Since 10th century religious branch of government in states with Muslims population w had no real power and all the decisions were made by sultans while khalifs had only nominal power. You can blame all Christians who killed people in wars than in killing people for their God.
>>59145934
Let's tell you short: you know nothing about MENA history and don't understand difference between Islam and Islamism. The latter appeared only in late 19th century as a political ideology and became popular only in 1980s because of efforts of the West to create opposition to communists. Radicalism is not inherent trait of that religion and Islamism is basically a fascism with emphasis on religion that felt on a fertile soil of poor countries with big resentment feelings and was supported by USA.
>>59146439
>giving up already
/pol/tards rekt again!
>>59146439
What's the matter with bringing some historical facts?
You can compare communism with Islamism, and my point is both kills people
>>59146461
It was not slaughtered. It was pillaged, there weren't that many civilians killed
Only fair revenge after the massacre of the latins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins
>>59146461
Shit happened.
>>59146516
>First, most of conquests of Muslim peoples were not motivated by religion and contained pure economic reasons.
Both, actually. I'm not going to believe that Islam wasn't part of it.
>You can blame all Christians who killed people in wars than in killing people for their God
Why should I if those weren't religious wars? It's people killing people.
>>59146662
as long as muslims stay in their own countries people don't give a fuck
>>59146368
What an idiot. So all the historicians are lying, right? Christians killed thousands of Christians and not Christians by the religious reason since the Christians killing pagans in late Roman empire to Christians who literally eat Muslims in Central African Republic now. Reformation, inquisition, crusades (which you waged against Russians too, I wonder how would you justify it), North Ireland, Christian terrorists in Africa and India.
>>59146195
This. Nasser laughed when he was questioned about proposal to make headscarves mandatory. Then secular government of MENA failed and Islamists supported by the West appeared and ruined the region.
>>59146181
Christianity's dead as a doornail, do yourself a favor and create your own cult, or if you're not charming enough, join a cool one that uphold true virtues like hierarchy, masculinity and honor.
Stop wishing Islam to become what it once was, the ultimate "other" that can help white men rise from their egalitarian hell. There is no saving the sinking ship of civilization, better men in pic related tried and failed.
>>59146950
>Not conerting to islam to get the benefits but still practicing Christianity
its like you don't wanna win
>>59146772
>Muslims have religiously justified massacres/wars
>FUCKING SAVAGE SUBHUMANS!
>Christians have religiously justified massacres/wars
>Shit happens
>>59146819
I wish, yet he said the world would be better if all muslims were dead or converted into christianity
I feel bad for fellow Indonesians who's gettiing mean comments on Youtube/Facebook because they're muslims while they know nothing about shits going on in Europe
>>59147029
cant blame him, why would you put an anti-heroic narrative on your people? Muslims do the same and I cant blame them
>>59146937
The very difference is that muslims are chimping out in [current year].
Do you understand there is a difference between things that happened in the past and things that are currently happening?
>>59147081
I don't care what you do in your own country and are not cowards like the refugees but I don't want you dead or converted
>>59146772
The wars waged by Muslim countries of middle ages were not religious by nature except times of Muhammad and rightful caliphs. Since that guy (can't remember his name) who changed sharia laws to take away land from converts in 8th century no one really cared about religion in caliphates and it was just a tool to rule people (as Christianity).
>>59146373
It would be wrong to call all the wars waged by Muslim ruler as jihad. Jihad has to be declared by caliph, it's a special kind of war that can be waged on a special occasions (betrayal of agreements, foreign aggression etc). The idea of jihad as perpetual conquest of Earth is idea of Islamist ideologies that based usually on one sect of Islam (salafi) and doesn't represents nor the majority of Muslims nor the traditional Islam.
>>59147081
>I feel bad for fellow Indonesians who's gettiing mean comments on Youtube/Facebook because they're muslims while they know nothing about shits going on in Europe
That's exactly how I feel. The Muslims of SEA have almost nothing in common with the muslims of the middle east, and yet they're also getting hate.
>>59146937
>So all the historicians are lying, right?
The Inquisition wasn't about killing people for violating Christian beliefs. It was a legal system whereby people were given a fair trial after being accused of a crime based on evidence instead of hearsay. It was the population, ignorant and poor, that killed people but those acts were condemned by the Catholic Church.
>Christians killed thousands of Christians and not Christians by the religious reason since the Christians killing pagans in late Roman empire to Christians who literally eat Muslims in Central African Republic now.
In the Roman days, Christianity was the excuse used by those in power.
And are you saying that Christians in Africa are cannibal? Even if that's true, that has nothing to do with the religion. It actually sounds like a practice that comes from their own culture.
>Reformation, inquisition, crusades (which you waged against Russians too, I wonder how would you justify it), North Ireland, Christian terrorists in Africa and India.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Just because some groups who happen to be Christian commit atrocities, that doesn't mean that Christians condone them. In Islam, Muslims live and do everything based on it.
>>59133109
>Why are people on 4chan obsessed with Muslims and Islam that much?
Because Muslims feel the need to murder people indiscriminately for no reason other than "muh prophet".
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>>59147143
Christians chimp out in Central Africa right now. And most of Muslims don't chimp out, as well as most of Christians.
>>59147548
that's just dindus
>Why are people on 4chan obsessed with Muslims and Islam that much?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZe5hXodQg
>>59147029
The Fourth Crusade wasn't about pillaging Constantinople but the plan didn't go as designed. The purpose was to reconquer Jerusalem from the Moors.
Your argument is the one of a typical moral relativist talking about things he doesn't understand so that he can convince himself that every religion is the same despite that being patently false.
>>59147548
>Christians chimp out in Central Africa right now
Yeah after being attacked by muslim seleka militias. Btw the anti-balaka, the guys yuo're refering to, are majority animists.
>And most of Muslims don't chimp out, as well as most of Christians.
Bullshit. They chimp out all the way from western sahara to central asia
>>59147193
That's fair enough, I support that Europe should control it's immigration so other muslims wouldn't get more bad reputation
>>59147356
Thx Myanmar bro. I think it's the first time I saw Myanmar flag here
>>59147405
>Just because some groups who happen to be Christian commit atrocities
I actually mentioned religious atrocities only, but okay. You sound just like most of Muslims who say that their religion has nothing to do with idiots blowing up and using Islam as excuse. It's normal reaction of religious person on criticism of his religion. But you still despise all Muslims while you are saying that Christians who commit religious motivated crimes are not Christians. That actually proves my point that all the religion are equal shit and they don't define the behavior of man.
>>59147678
Is your brain only capable of understanding issues in terms of 'left' and 'right', what those political positions should entail?
>>59147732
>all the way from western sahara to central asia
Most of people living there are Muslims. Most of victims of Islamism are Muslims. So maybe those are the Islamists who chimp out, and not Muslims? Also real problems are faced by Iraq, Somalia, Syria, Lybia, Nigeria, Afghanistan only, other have only terrorist secret groups.
>seleka
They didn't attack, they just made a coup and then majority of population got triggered and started genocide.
Also it's actually not correct to see African conflicts as religious though, they have mostly tribal basis that can be coveted with religion sometimes.
>>59148510
>So maybe those are the Islamists who chimp out, and not Muslims?
And these two are completely unrelared, right?
>Iraq, Somalia, Syria, Lybia, Nigeria, Afghanistan
Boy, you can add Mali, Kenya, Somalia, Egypt, Algeria, Yemen, Pakistan, India... And France!
>They didn't attack, they just made a coup and then majority of population got triggered and started genocide.
dey dindu nuffin dem gud bois wer just tryin to take over baka f.am. What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to blame the civilians fighting a rebel force because of the weakness of the state? Stop being silly
>Also it's actually not correct to see African conflicts as religious though, they have mostly tribal basis that can be coveted with religion sometimes.
I agree. Why did you bring them up then?
>>59147855
>You sound just like most of Muslims who say that their religion has nothing to do with idiots blowing up and using Islam as excuse.
Because it's not an excuse, it IS Islam.
You're whistling into the wind with that apologism. And I never said that Christians were never motivated by the religion while committing crimes but the difference is that Christianity has no equivalent to the Islamic concept of muruna (doing evil in the name of the greater good--what ISIS does), much like it has no such thing as abrogation.
>>59147193
>cowards like the refugees
Ah yes because risking everything to take your family away from a place where they could either get nerve gassed by Assad or beheaded by Dhurkas is so cowardly right? Keeping them there to face the Cross fire is what real people do.
>>59148062
No, and I didn't even mention sides of the political spectrum in my post.
>>59148774
>these two are completely unrelared, right?
You can't say about Muslim chimping out, only about Islamists. Countries I've mentioned are inhabited mostly by Muslims. They don't chimp out all together, those are the Islamists who ruin countries and behead people.
>France, Algeria
There are everywhere secret terrorist groups. I mentioned countries with actual wars.
>blame the civilians fighting a rebel force
Fighting a rebel force resulted in genocide eventually.
>I agree. Why did you bring them up then?
It was the most flamboyant example due to mass cannibalism. Also it's difficult to find pure religious conflict in modern world except Syria maybe, it's based more on ethnicity everywhere.
>>59149057
Okay, okay, we understood that you're unironically religious. You act obviously the same to any religious Muslim but deny it, it's very funny and proves my point that all religions are basically the same (not mentioning Abrahamic religions have basically same dogmas)
>>59149365
>You can't say about Muslim chimping out, only about Islamists.
You're an idiot if you ignore that many muslim countries are breeding ground for islamist organizations.
>>59149365
>I mentioned countries with actual wars.
I don't care. How many dead people should there be in my country for france to enter your precious list? They constitute a threat, that's what matters.
>Fighting a rebel force resulted in genocide eventually.
It didn't. Unless you're posting from the future of course. You shouldn't use the term genocide that easily btw, it has an actual meaning.
>Also it's difficult to find pure religious conflict in modern world except Syria maybe, it's based more on ethnicity everywhere.
Who cares about "pure" religious conflicts? That doesn't exist.
>>59149070
cuck
>>59149521
You're equally dogmatic about your views. I already told you that the Crusades and the Inquisition were nothing like the absurd shit you hear, and this based on historical evidence, but you keep ignoring it.
So some Christian individuals and groups persecuted, tortured, and killed people in name of their religion. Were they backed up by the Catholic Church? No? Then it is nothing alike Islam where every part of the hierarchy is based on literal interpretations of the scriptures.
