Is English hard to learn? How long did it take you to learn English?
About 18 years. Still learning. Fucking huge vocabulary.
Not at all, it's easy as piss. Hence why retarded Americans are able to speak it. Writing on the other hand, well that's a different story.
>>59075559
No. A summer.
English is by far the easiest language to learn, as a native Germanic speaker. Probably as a native Romance speaker as well.
It is way easier than Dutch or German.
>>59075559
Easy.
6 months of playing Ultima Online day and night 13 years ago.
it's easy
I haven't finished learning it, I still suck at it but I'm getting more good each month that passes, I guess.
>>59075700
more good=better
>>59075559
English as a second language is easy to learn since the widespread use of it encourages a tolerance for spelling and grammatical errors
>>59075700
How are you learning English? Are you taking classes, or going online?
>>59075712
Are you implying that "better" is the grammatically correct way of writing it, or that both are correct but "better" sounds less weird (or retarded)??
>>59075850
Yeah, it's supposed to be "better", "more good" is not correct. Was just correcting because you said you were still learning the lanuage.
>>59075850
more good is grammatically incorrect.
>>59075807
Just learning it by myself, that's why I like to come here and chat with people in English. I could go to classes, hell my friends have been in them for like only 7 months and they're already fluid in it, but I like to learn things just by myself. It's kinda fun.
>>59075850
"Better" is the grammatically correct usage
>>59075890
How do you go about learning it yourself? Do you just go onto English websites and try to translate it?
>>59075878
>>59075880
Thanks for correcting me then
>>59075890
> they're already fluid
The word you're looking for is fluent
>>59075920
I first started with duolingo, I already knew some basic stuff, you know, the basic things that teach you in school, but yeah If I don't understand a word then I translate it with Google traductor and after that the word just carve itself into my brain and I never forget it.
>>59075971
I actually knew that was the correct word but I have a HTC phone and the predictive keyboard of this shit doesn't work at all and it changes words that are correct sometimes
>>59075559
Not very hard, aside of understanding native speakers when they start talking very fast.
But to be fair, I had english classes in school for 10 years, so maybe it's not easy, but I had enough exposure. I'm still learning and trying to improve.
>>59076000
Ok, because I'm half Puerto Rican, but I don't speak Spanish so I'm trying to learn. I'm currently using duolingo, but I'm trying to find some more practice.
>>59075559
how long does it take to complete the mass effect trilogy?
>>59075559
I was always good despite our shitty english classes because I learned quicker than most of the others (inb4 fedora)
But I made the most progress the last 2 years because I become a NEET and started spending most of my time online. So I watched hundreds of movies and shows in English and now I can understand pretty much anything written or spoken (granted there isn't a purposely strong accent). I can talk or write well enough too, but I have a shitty accent because I didn't speak to anybody. I'm confident a few months in an English speaking country would cure that tho
lurking on int a couple of years..
>>59076069
Like hella long
>>59076041
You should watch movies in Spanish (with English subtitles, of course), that helps a lot, too.
>>59076119
Holy fucking shit, without any classes or anything? That's impressive, given how different Japanese is from English. Can you speak fluently too, or just read and write?
>>59076102
>granted there isn't a purposely strong accent
This always makes me wonder, aside from incredibly pronounced accents (American Southern for example), what does a general English accent sound like? Either English or American English.
From easy to hard: Spanish > Portuguese > Italian > Swedish > English > Dutch > German > French
In the Netherlands we start getting English in school around the age of 10. But by then I already knew some English. I learned it through watching tv and playing video games I guess. And around 12 I started chatting online as well. I can't remember having any difficulties with it so I don't know how long it took to learn it. In my experience I was always ahead of the study books and could always just fill everything in. So I assume I was fluent around 14 or 15 years old.
We get English in school for 6 to 8 years, depending on your educational level.
>>59076146
>implying Kenshiro-kun here can speak or read English any better than the average anime highschooler
>>59075559
Took me about 4 - 5 years to learn everything fully, but I got the basics down in 2 years I guess. I played shitloads if Runescape when I was 12 - 16
>>59076190
>easiest language to learn was French
Same experience here actually, everyone in America says French is hard but it's really simple, our languages are like 75% compatible. I took 5 years or so of French in middle and highschool and by then I could read or speak pretty fluently. Comprehending fast French speakers was really hard though.
>>59076164
I wouldn't know how to describe them, but I usually find American English faster than the British one, and more "nasal". That's just a feeling tho, I'm aware there isn't only one American accent and one British. Also I often can't tell them appart, I've heard people speaking and thought they were Scottish and turned out they were Australians
>>59076240
I meant Spanish is easy and French is hard. The French vocabulary is not that hard to learn, but forming correct sentences can be. At least it was for me.
While with Spanish you don't have to take much into account.
>>59075584
> Fucking huge vocabulary.
Any language has fucking huge vocabulary, but it consists of much slang, seldom and archaic words, and even educated natives usualy know about half of total vocablury. The vocublary size for comfort communication is about 10 000 - 20 000 words in any language.
I moved here when I was about 13. I think I was pretty good in a few months. I already knew the alphabet from taking French in school, however.
>>59076363
Where were you born then?
>>59076384
Belarus.
I imagine most European who are """fluent""" in English because they read, listen, and submit to a lot of American media, have terrible accents or can't speak English for shit. I am probably right too, judging by the vocaroo threads.
>>59076291
Oh, well excuse me for misreading and accidentally shitting on your efforts in learning.
I don't get what you mean about forming sentences to be hard, but that's probably because going from English to French just involves reversing your Adjective/Noun order.
>>59076407
That's what happens when all you do is read English and barely speak it IRL.
>>59076407
Yeah probably, don't get cocky tho you had it the easy way
>>59076287
>I've heard people speaking and thought they were Scottish and turned out they were Australians
Nobody can figure out aussies, to be fair. I remember back in 2001 when the game Halo came out, there was an australian character voiced by an australian man that aussies called out as sounding fake.
>>59076407
Europeans have terrible accents because most simply don't bother with even trying to put up a proper accent.
It also wouldn't surprise me if English would be the hardest west-european language to pronounce correctly.
Everything I use a proper English accent I feel like have to twist my mouth in awkward ways. I never had that problem with Spanish, French or German.
>>59076441
>you had it the easy way
You say that, but fluent english speakers are almost as rare here as in Europe
t. Southerner who literally cannot understand anyone with a pronounced American accent
>>59076467
*Everytime
>>59076407
Thats partly true, I write and read a lot, but I barely speak english, last week was an exemption. Kind of ironic since I also know russian, but I cant even write it and my reading levels are shit.
>>59076489
*Every time
>>59076491
You want "exception." "Exemption" is when you must do something, but are excused from doing it.
>>59076467
English involves opening and moving the mouth a lot more than French or the other Romance languages, so you may be right. I remember when I first started learning French how I barely had to open my mouth to pronounce most things.
>>59076430
So are you fluent if you can produce language in your head and comprehend it, but cant spit it out? A lot of Europeans I find are too timid to make mistakes and refuse to speak English. In Germany that is common for me so I am able to speak German everywhere. I don't have an American accent; they just told me they could kinda tell I am a foreigner like from Scandinavia.
>>59076442
He was likely exaggerating his accent for the game
>>59075559
I learn it since muh mama told me how to say "poo in the loo" and i still suck at the engrish. even commies, indian indias, and and taiwanese flips speak better england than moi. what do? singapoor so poor at everything.
>>59075559
as a spanish speaker I would say that the pronunciation is the only hard thing because you guys create sound like crazy
>>59076146
nah, we have mandatory english classes in japan. but english was my least favorite subject to which i had never really committed, and then i came to know 4chan and started thinking i wanted to learn english to shitpost.
>>59076649
hello engrish teatcher pls rape muh england.
>>59076521
With Dutch you also tend to speak with the back of your mouth.
>>59076577
No, he wasn't, he was just a bit part for nameless generic soldiers. In fact the devs actually brought him back again and again because the character's voice became something of an in-joke due to all the outcry.
Aussies are just crazy
>>59076467
>Everything I use a proper English accent I feel like have to twist my mouth in awkward ways.
This. I barely need to open my mouth to speak Finnish and everything is just one long aa oo uu ee with a few consonant thrown in there and there, so I don't get tired speaking. English, however, starts to hurt my throat after five minutes. Then again that might be because I need to speak it for an extended duration maybe only once or twice a month, so I don't practice those muscles.
If you look at Kimi Räikkönen's interviews he barely opens his mouth.
>>59076618
This comment made me realize how everyone else sounds really one-note to me, as an English speaker. Like, every speaker of X language has one general tone to their voice, and it's different for each language.
I thought that was how everyone heard every language, but maybe English is really weirdly varied and broken sounding.
>>59076771
Anglos have highly trained mouth moving muscles we lack. :^)
>>59076798
What did he mean by this
>>59076649
How big was the learning curve? I can't imagine learning Japanese
>>59076836
>frogman pretends to not have experience pounding back cocks
O I am laffin
>>59076771
Post mouth with banananna , anon.
>>59076882
>banananna
>>59076891
He's not used to moving his mouth so much anon, no bully
>>59076882
Banaani on kyl aika nannaa, harmi et ei oo just nyt yhtään.
>>59075559
yes
since the school i went to was shit, i am still learning it
>>59076568
Would love to hear that. All Americans I heard speaking German so far had at least a tiny fraction of an accent in their style which makes it really easy to tell them apart, even after years of living here.
Probably the best examples for that are all those Youtubers from the States living here.
it's very easy.
HAHAHAHAHA
HAHA………………………………
>>59076882
>mfw I hear Gwen Stefani every time I have to spell "banana".
>>59076929
Japan, buddy
Don't try to do sarcasm, okay?
>>59076922
Give me some text to read aloud.
Took me about a year and a half. I mastered it in 5 years. All this while I was a fucking baby, if you can't learn as an adult then you're a loser lmao.
>>59076979
I bet you had a private tutor or two.
>>59076979
Children are well known to learn language way faster than adults though, you mong. Like, that's language education 101.
I had a friend who was a transfer student from France in 6th grade who went from 0 english to nearly fluent in 1 year.
>>59076938
Holy shit I'm not the only one.
>>59077057
baby brains are like peas bro adult brains are much larger. If little pea brain can learn English so can you.
>>59076973
(From the German Newspaper F.A.Z)
"Der vormalige Berliner Finanzsenator Thilo Sarrazin (SPD) sieht die Europäische Union am Scheideweg. Im Schengen-Raum habe es dreißig Jahre gedauert, ehe der Zustrom von Migranten dessen Konstruktionsmängel sichtbar gemacht habe, die Schwächen der Währungsunion traten schon nach zehn Jahren zutage, schreibt Sarrazin in einem Beitrag für die „Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung“ (Montag-Ausgabe)."
>>59077015
top kek, Dutchy.
>>59077057
I knew two Venezuan students who lived here. And they were fluent in Dutch in 9 months or so. They could just do their school work in Dutch and understood everything.
Although they made some funny mistakes sometimes, like calling the end exam the 'final exam'. Literally who does that?
>>59075559
learnt basics from runescape
>>59077078
I'm from Alabama and I have to say just on the off-chance you're not joking
Read a book you goddamn nigger
>>59077107
>Teen
>Teeen
>>59077119
Obviously the wording doesn't translate perfectly, but we call them final exams here, or just "finals"
Just a neat coincidence
english has lot of Fucking useless vocabulary.
for example.
Large
big
giant
huge
all of such a thing can say big.
>>59076973
>>59077093
holy shit, just seeing how ugly it looks when opened on Computer.
Fuck you mobile version of 4Chan.
The whole article is here in case you have serious trouble with my texts formatting.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/die-gegenwart/zerfaellt-europa-4-eine-atempause-fuer-europa-14108904.html
>>59077107
>ten
>teen
>teeen
>>59077137
Friendly reminder those girls' job is to be dumb as a stump and kawaii uguuuuu~
>>59077107
we can't speek english forever (;∀;)b
>>59077107
>Ten
>>Teen
>>Teeen
That actually makes some sense
>>59077168
Keep talking, this is hilarious.
>>59077145
Large/Big and Giant/Huge are distinct though.
I hate this "lol english has redundant words" because EVERY LANGUAGE DOES. English's vocabulary complexity comes from how words don't follow their own rules and the fact that context often means more than the literal wording of any given sentence.
>>59077093
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ev1yi3LZjS
It might be a little loud. It has also been a while. Living in Texas, you don't meet many German speakers.
Learning to write english properly is an absolutely brutal skill to learn and really like learning an entire new language. I'd say 75% of native speakers cant write a full paragraph without making an error.
Everyone is just really tolerant of poor written english because of it difficult though, and unless you are writing for a newspaper or something nobody cares.
![5bc[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/J9NbjNH.png "5bc[1].png")
>>59077145
I can't imagine the literature without these words. It sounds very poor.
>>59077244
>Everyone is just really tolerant of poor written english because of it difficult though, and unless you are writing for a newspaper or something nobody cares.
This sentence just gave me cancer. Where the fuck do you live, you illiterate son of a bitch?
>>59077221
Quite impressive, considering you weren't here for a while. Still I could hear the difference.
But I guess my Internet-English can't compete anyway.
>>59076412
>>59076291
If you want to REALLY fuck with your sentence structure, start learning Irish, Scottish or Welsh.
>>59077244
>this whole post
>>59077145
Long. Tall.
But we often have a Germanic, Romance, Dutch and English way of saying things. So we have lots of useless words as well.
>>59077145
All of those words have different meanings except for large and big, which are pretty direct synonyms.
I mean giant is a fucking noun for chrissakes.
>>59077330
Long and Tall have different meanings though. Tall is upwards, long is distance. You wouldn't say "a skyscraper is a long building" and you wouldn't say "it's a pretty tall fall off this building"
>>59077244
I have seriously no fucking clue of English grammar. I just write how and what I want, my commas are awful just as my usage of capital letters.
My English tests in school were always like:
Style 13-15 points
Content ~11-13
Language 0-2
(with 0 as the minimum and 15 as the maximum)
>>59077244
It isn't that difficult, English doesn't even have accentuation.
>>59077356
I know, but you dont need the word tall at all. I mean, in Dutch we just say long or high and it works just fine.
Oh that's a long person. That's a high building.
>>59075559
I know it's easy to learn English compared to another language but it's hard to have chance to use English in my country. nobody literally talks in English.
Probably 2-3 years, but I'm really good now. The trick is being born here, Just do that and it is easy to master.
>>59077447
>kindergarten, started early
>watch a fuck-ton of shows
there
>>59077428
That's a common problem for students trying to learn a language yeah.
>>59077244
75% is way too high an estimation, but English does has a lot of unstated rules that even native speakers get confused about. It took me until senior year of high school to learn the difference between who and whom.
>>59077388
There's a difference between written conversational English that most people use on 4chan and formal academic English that I think this poster is referring to. For example, your comma should be a semicolon in "proper" English, but everybody ignores it because you're on an anonymous Ghanaian scuba diving forum.
>>59077503
RARE
A
R
E
>>59075559
>Is English hard to learn?
I never found it hard, because I went to junior high school in a small village, where I was def. more gifted than the others.
So even at a basic level of English, I felt good and superior.
For example, one teacher loved the word "whether"
She would say "John is worried for his friend Bill. What does John want to know?"
I would raise my hand and say, "John wonders whether Bill is alright", Teach' was delighted.
Later, another teacher (all females) would read " "...and it happened in the very house he was raised in" : what does "the very house" mean?",
I would raise my hand and say, "the exact same house"
she would nearly orgasm, as if some sort of grace, transcending the usual didactic relationship, had stricken both of us suddenly.
I think it's fair to say that all my english teachers have wanted to sex young me at some point.
Learning English feels rather easy, because we live in a, if you allow me, "cultural bath", or milieu, where it's really hard to not learn english. Because it's everywhere.
>>59077549
I kind of wanted to learn German and French, but then I realised that I wouldn't use either of those languages unless I specifically went to a German/French thread or read news in those languages or watched movies, but why the fuck would I do that when it's much easier to find everything in English?
>tfw no motivation
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xablvy_%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E%E3%81%AE%E6%95%99%E6%9D%90%E3%83%93%E3%83%87%E3%82%AA_school
please understand. understand our power level in English.
>>59077213
Thank you for encouragement.
but this is our english level.
we can't speak english forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9ssaAIfUys
>>59077562
I'm able to write masterpieces in German, but how the hell do I make any use of a semicolon (in any language) ???
>>59077590
>I never found it hard
But was it hard to find? Oh well, whatever, nevermind.
>>59077604
He pronounces "Venice" as "benis"
>>59077562
>our comma should be a semicolon in "proper" English
actually it should be semicolon or dot in every language.
>>59077628
Are you baiting?
>>59077562
I had to follow two courses legal English.
>mfw I needed to learn an entirely new vocabulary that I never knew existed
Anyway I wrote some legal advise in English and asked a British person to check it. He basically rewrote the entire piece in fancy English.
Then I asked an American to check it. And the American turned it back into my original work.
>mfw
>>59077628
sheesh
>>59077628
You probably noticed my post was full of irony.
I'm not the one who wrote "it took me x years to learn everything fully".
I guess you've spotted a mistake in my post. I'll probably do it again, because I don't really get it.
>>59077636
yep, common people in Japan don't know the difference between V and B.
>>59077619
you use it instead of dot. Its weaker dot. "He said he had done it; It was never done before. Everyone was happy". No one uses semicolon no. Only with lists.
>>59077662
Calm your tits, Hansel.
Can you foreigners recognize the different American accents?
>>59077619
In English it's used to separate two independent clauses, among like three other things.
>>59077644
Not necessarily. In languages like Arabic it's used to indicate that the second clause is subservient to the first rather than a separate idea.
>>59077590
>is worried for
*another *mistake
>>59077760
only southern
>>59077712
So, basically it's useless? Well, kind of expected that.
>>59077663
lol, he's quoting Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit
>>59077777
Shit get
>>59077772
>>59077794
Maybe I have to correct myself, could you give an example?
>>59077777
Good lad
>>59077794
It provides some literary depth; most humans aren't robots obsessed with unobfuscated information
>>59077844
good one
>>59077772
>Not necessarily. In languages like Arabic it's used to indicate that the second clause is subservient to the first rather than a separate idea.
you are missing the point. They misuse it. As well they could use exclamation mark for that. In western langs it is used as a weaker dot.
>>59077784
You don't know the New York/New Jersey accent?!?
>>59077816
s-sorry...
>>59077805
really?
Songs can help a lot, but sometimes they're full of broken english.
>>59077831
>csq expiation par les triples
>>59077794
>So, basically it's useless? Well, kind of expected that.
In sentence - yes it is. But in lists it is sometimes required
>>59075559
I learned it through speaking with people in shitty online games as a kid,took about 4 or 5 years to get to a decent level,i can now speak and type it pretty well but i have no idea how the grammar system works or anything about it since i learned through communication,best thing about it is that you can type words and phrases in a slightly incorrect manner but people can still make out what you're trying to say to an extend,It's not really hard specially since it's used in a lot of things so people get to catch some basic stuff which eases in the rest.
>>59077888
no, unless you are referring to the italian accent.
>>59077821
I'd do anything for food; every morning I wake up early to have my breakfast.
>>59077760
no
on the contrary,we can't recognize the different america,biritish,australia,newzealand,canada accents.
>>59077982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlILInD-JkM
>>59078053
so basically italian accent. Yes. its recognizable. But no one would say its NY accent.
>>59077619
x = y;
y = y+1;
>>59077821
>Maybe I have to correct myself, could you give an example?
Well right there is what's called a comma splice. You're joining two independent clauses with a comma instead of a semicolon or a comma and a conjunction.
Nobody will care outside of a professional context, but the semicolon should have been used because your two clauses are potential individual sentences.
it's the easiest language i the world
Like 10 years of passive learning with no real effort on my part and i'm at C1 level now.
God bless american media and its great availability.
>>59078104
None of those people are from Italy!
>>59076911
Translate pls. I really want a banannanain your mouth, desu.
>>59078364
but accent sounds like italian
>>59078364
Italians dont even have a New York accent. It's actually closer to a very lazy yet very fluent Dutch accent.
>>59078390
Bananas are pretty gud, pity that I don't have any right now.
>>59078451
With fluent I mean that it sounds like the words flow very well. Dutch people have a similar pronunciation but in Englisg our words dont flow very well.
I've been learning since I was 8 and I could say it's fairly easy to learn thanks to all the media that's out there.
Most if not all of the books I read nowadays are in English, I also got this weird valley accent thanks to so many E! reality shows I've seen. I'd love having a British-like accent like that in Monty python movies.
>>59078434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1FFhkfWkjY
>>59078578
If the words dont flow at all and we use our rolling R it starts sounding more like South African.
>>59078537
>Sadfrog.
>>59078104
Dude if you think those are accents from Wlochy then you are terribly misinformed. Italians talk completely differently.
>>59078769
they sound like italian. To be precise american-italian raped by hollywood. I know that italians in eu dont talk like that.
English is very...very difficult language for me....
>>59078878
Lol Italian American and Italian is like Polish American and Polish. There is a huge difference. Those New Yorkers probably don't even speak a word of Italian. That is just the way their parents talked, whose parents likely arrived from Italy a century ago.
>>59078981
true. i never said anything different.
>>59078926
where did you come from ?
>>59076102
>i become
Breh
Not at all unless you speak a very different language.
I would lie if i say i never went to an english school or a school with good english teachers, i did but never payed attention or anything.
I mostly learned by myself reading books, playing vidya and watching movies with subtitles. And i also have faimily living in the states and they come each vacation, i wanted to know what they were talking about so i got gud and after two years i learned what i know.
Its not perfect but it works bretty well
>>59076240
You anglo talk french in a gramaticaly correct way but you use the same words to describe sightly differents things.
But otherwise french isn't one of the hardest.
Finnish on the other hand...
>benis
>>59076798
[citation needed]
>>59077107
>ten
>teen
>teeen
Wut
>>59076929
are u ok? pls respond
American """""""english"""""""
>>59079709
good post
>>59077606
>we can't speak english forever
you mean you will have to learn chinese instead when they take over?
>>59079852
woops forgot to turn my yuro proxy on
It's literally the easiest language to learn. They don't call it babby's first foreign language for nothing, you know.
I already spoke basic English by the time I started first grade of primary school.
>>59076041
What? Lmao just talk with your family nigga lmao
>>59075559
literally babby tier
I started in elementary school
>>59080000
Fuck off, Tyler.
Nice digits tho
Well, I could attain a C1 language exam after 5 years of learning it in high school, so there's that. I have to add that the accessibility of the internet made the job significantly easier.
i've studied English since junior school .
but i am not good at English yet.
the google IME app helps me to suggest the forgotten word.
>western europeans bragging about learning english easily
aren't you guys special
>>59080224
How many languages do you speak?
>>59075559
Part of our education so I really can't tell when did I become proficient enough.
It's just natural to me to speak/type English now.
>>59076467
I fucking hate Dutch people putting on American accents when they speak English. I'd they spoke in their own accent or maybe with an English accent.
Afrikaans guy here, grew up with English to a degree that I would refer to it as my second home language, though I had to try really hard not to develop an incredibly retarded accent.
>>59076164
especially in western states. like absolutely nothing. in northern california there is no accent at all.
>>59080300
I speak the language spoken in heaven, I don't any more than that
>>59075559
After 9 (nine) years I still suck at it...
>>59080497
So you speak Hebrew then? :^)
>>59080511
I have to confess that effectivly it were only two years.
>>59080471
inb4 focking prawns
>>59080549
>>59080549
Upper Carniolan*
>>59080588
Hey my bru, you'd best watchit or I'll lem you
>>59080471
I for one, think an Afrikaans accent is the best there is.
>>59080487
Do you mean Californian's don't have an accent from your perspective? Because to me, all Americans have an accent.
I would argue only people from Australia, UK and New Zealand can have neutral accents of native English speakers.
>>59080553
>It were
Okay, Scruffy the Janitor
>>59080452
Why the fuck is you mad? Did a kangaroo fuck your girlfriend's cunt?
Basic level (can hold simple conversation) at 6
Fluent at 10
Swedish and English are close.
>>59077107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMwEr6I9Y_o
>>59080824
I'm not mad. I just don't like American accents. Because of Americas cultural dominance, many non-native speakers either learn the accent from tv or think it's the correct way to speak English. Dutch people do this a lot since they never dub their American tv shows.
>>59080824
>Okay, Scruffy the Janitor
I also always make mistakes while talking like saying: "He does wants" or "He didn't wanted".
Even I know it's wrong it developed into a bad habbit and I can't get a hold on it.
I know so many words in english but my spelling and my gramma suck dick and I can't improve no matter how much I play Games in English or write in 4chan in English. I even speak English with my gf.
I fucking use more English than German.
What can I do to overcome my faults?
>>59081003
Maybe you could read more books in English?
>>59081003
No need to speak perfect english, familia. Most of us can't even do it. We're all trying to learn spanish here, anyway.
>>59081076
>books
Do Visuell Novells count too?
Those have often more content to read than a book.
>>59080452
We get very few dutch tourists here, the only ones i've met have been so old that they've mastered the language
that or young and too attractive for anyone to really care when they make mistakes
>>59081141
>Most of us can't even do it. We're all trying to learn spanish here
Why? We have a lot of Chinese immigration but we don't make an effort to learn their language. It's better this way, then they won't become complacent and think they can get away with not learning English.
>>59081182
Dutch people speak have the best English skills out of all non-native speakers. I'm not saying they make mistakes, I'm just saying they put on an accent to sound more fluent.
>>59081157
You mean anime games? I think we can both agree that Japs can't translate to English very well.
I mean actual novels. Maybe start with Harry Potter, the books get harder as they go on.
>>59081195
I could never learn Chinese. But with that being said, Spanish is almost forced on us now. And it's almost easy to figure out when they're talking about gringos de estados unitos.
>>59075559
I've been in english classes since I was 4. Classes in school, classes after schools, english summer camps, 3 months in England and 9 months in USA for a total of 12 years. I only "finished" learning it after I was forced to learn it in a fully english speaking environment for more than a month since the time I spent in England was for separate months with other spanish speaking ppl.
I obviously don't know everything english but I can defend myself pretty well in an open debate about any topic. I am now bilingual.
After learning a whole language you get the gist of the process in learning it and the next languages should be really easy to pick up. It shouldn't take more than 2 years to learn the next languages, but only if you spend at least a month or two completely forced to communicate only in those languages after you have learned the basic sintaxis and so on.
>>59081313
>anime games
I know they use Anime styles like all jap thinks but still I feel like this term derails the deep and complex storry telling that is done there.
Harry Potter sucks dick hard.
>>59081364
>And it's almost easy to figure out when they're talking about gringos
Yeah that's one thing I want is to find out when Chinks are talking shit about me.
In my suburb there are more Chinks than whites, so it could come in handy. I guess Spanish is a lot easier and even though my spanish sucks, i can still tell what they're talking about sometimes.
>>59075559
I remember I was terrible at it back in middle school. I usually wouldn't even understand what my English teacher was saying. But after I discovered the internet I learnt it without even noticing.
>>59081157
f you want to learn english by reading you should try reading Tolkien's books. The way they are written are quite good for learning vocabulary and complex phrase contruction. I didn't quite learn to speak properly (in english and in spanish) until I started reading copious amounts of novels.
>>59076771
Understanding the muscles involved in english pronunciation does wonders on learning to pronounce them ;)
>>59077606
what does the title mean? something to do with exit?
>>59077606
Try spanish, we pronounce our languages exactly the same, we spanish have an easy time learning to speak japanese thanks to that. Writing it though... thats another story.
The hardest thing about learning a language to a level where you can use it is exposure, that is something that makes english so easy because its pretty much everywhere these days and at the same time useful in actual communication
>>59075559
Its easier to learn if you speak german or dutch.
interestingly, anglos apparently have more problems learning german than the other way around.
probably because we use so many cases.
>>59081832
True
>>59081493
I live in Houston, Texas and English is literally getting phased out in some districts here. I drove by some fast food places (Wendeys) where all the text on the drive thru was Spanish. It really blew my mind and made me sad.
I'm moving to New Mexico for a job in a few months but it's a shame was mass migration can do to a state/country. I love Texas with all my heart but seeing it die like this from people refusing to assimilate honestly makes me want to cry sometimes. So beware the Chinamen, when there are enough you will be nihao'ing and I'll be hola'ing.
>>59076000
>I translate it with Google traductor
Hehe.
>>59081381
Just one spelling mistake there hermano. Sintaxes should be syntaxes.
Good on your parents for making an effort to get lessons for you when you were younger.
Didn't start learning it until pre-K, learnt in a few months.
>>59081738
I was confused as to what you were asking at first at first but I'm guessing that you're talking about the dude's name, which is degawa. The first character is the same as in deguchi(exit).
>>59082012
Hey, Longhorn. I feel your pain.
Captcha: Select all pickup trucks
I can't even make that up.
>>59082012
I'll keep that in mind. Social pressure seems to be still strong here though. Chinese want the best for their children so they educate them ruthlessly.
>>59080746
There is no neutral accent. Don't be retarded.
>>59082012
I live in fucking corpus. I haven't seen this at fucking all especially in large corporate chains like Wendy's.
>>59075559
years ago warcraft 2, starcraft and warcraft 3 helped me a lot
>>59076069
~90 hours if you're willing to do all the sidequests
Learned English from RuneScape
>>59075559
15+ years. I even spent 7 years in America. Average Dutch person probably speaks better English than I.
>>59076323
>>59084092
i know that every western lang is fucked up for an average asian but its quite a long. Anyway how long does it take to learn korean?
it's very easy to be speaking the english so i doesnt undertand why anyone could think this is difficult language. Do some effort guys
>>59076287
*apart dunno if this was just a typo or was genuinely misspelled. Just tryna help.
Who speaks French here?
Let's just switch and speak French internationally starting today.
>>59077191
It doesn't, can you imagine the problem with with-drawing like £100, and you say it slightly to long and she withdraws ten grand...
>>59084293
That depends I guess. Quick learners from the west can get better at speaking Korean than the natives in less than 7 years. Slow learners on the other hand, they are barely understandable even though they've been living here for 10+ years.
>>59077380
Don't you capitalise nouns in German or something, I can see how the transition would be difficult.
>>59084952
>speaking the english
>>59085266
>Quick learners
>in less than 7 years
fuck. i lost all hope
>>59085425
>better than the natives
>>59077593
This, but I'm trying to learn russian, my motivation is to understand a Russian youtuber if find interesting, also because Russian is a nice sounding language
what did you mean by learn?
it took 4-5 years to reach a level which i am on
but i didn't really "learn" English
>>59085462
but learning curve is too fucking steep
