Do you consider Latin America as part of the West?
Do you consider V4?
West = civilizations that follow the ideas of the enlightement
No and that's good.
>>59072721
>Cuba
I just consider them South. Halfway between East and West.
It is except for the Indian-dominated areas like Bolivia.
no, it's more than that. The strenght of Latin America is being somewhat westernized but also have a strong culture on its own, and a great cultural diversity.
No, because they're not white, capitalist, highly developed or allied with the USA
I think of it as the undeveloped West really. Outside of some native influences there's really not too much to distinguish them from the actual West culturally, given the whole Iberian heritage and everything. Hell, the Cono Sur nations were pretty widely regarded as fully Western nations until about the 1950's.
I think if you guys get your act together you'll be considered fully Western, kind of like how a lot of former Communist countries in Europe are starting to be seen as Western.
>>59072998
>A lot
You mean Czechia and Poland, and they're both still largely seen as Eastern
>>59072721
>uruguay that low
I'm not buying it.
>>59073058
Uruguay is always on the limit between high and very high.
Did you really believe the meme about Uruguay being a magical country?
>>59073055
Also the Baltic nations, Hungary, and to some degree Slovenia and Croatia. It seems like more of a development thing in Europe nowadays.
>>59072811
Yeah I don't know what the UN considers "developed", but...
>>59072721
>Do you consider Latin America
No.
>>59072967
>or allied with the USA
Do you know just how far Uncle Sam's meat is jammed down Colombia's throat?
>>59072811
And who's fault would that be.
>>59073125
As a rule of thumb, liberal democracies do not go to war against each other. Argentina went to war against Britain. On a widespread ideological level, South America does not see itself alligned with the West. Many of its governments partner with the USA, but that is a rational decision, not ideological.
What I'm trying to say is that the "West" is racial, cultural, religious, economic, political and historical. South America is not Western in many of those fields.
It doesn't matter either way. South America does not need to be "Western". It is its own sphere.
>>59072721
Well historically, there has always been an embrace of Western thought and a desire to look "Western" but to call Latin America "Western" is debatable. I think it would be disingenuous to call Latin America Western because the region has such a unique history and diverse range of people.
>>59072721
No, that will keep the saracens out of here.
>>59073233
Tbf we never trusted any of sides of cold war, which is why we had a nuclear program. Even in the actual days after the left govt, we never actually trusted US or China.
>>59073292
Exactly. You guys simply do not fit in the "Eastern/Western" dichotomy.
>>59072811
>>59073096
anti-comunist butthurt
kek
Nah, we are the US mascot, just like Canada. Nothing capitalist wise happens in our countries, and our borders keep us divided enough in order to never make enough economical pressure on our own.
We are on the thin line between being cucked enough in order to suck uncle Sam's dick while at the same time no being cuck enough to make a circle jerk session between each other.
Also no such thing as "West culture" exists, is just a dumb metaphor we make in order to feel morally elevated, everyone with two grams of brain knows that.
>>59072998
> there's really not too much to distinguish them from the actual West culturally
yes there is, for one, we have 100 different indigenous ethnicities, and 60 indigenous languages.
>>59073449
"We" i mean Brazil. During our military govt we used to fight a lot the commies, but at the same time having an eye in the US just in case CIA tried something. Nowadays it's the same thing, at least in the military.
>>59073266
>. I think it would be disingenuous to call Latin America Western because the region has such a unique history and diverse range of people.
this.
>>59073514
I know, and you guys are the regional hegemon.
>>59073233
>>59073055
So, you gonna be sitting in Tim Hortons in 5 years complaining about your useless International Studies major or what.
>>59073559
>regional hegemon
>Brazilian army has about 20 bullets and 1960s equipment
>>59073580
I'm an economics and business student
Why are Americans so hostile towards knowledge?
>>59073559
Yep. Which is also why we try to not get involved in many geopolitical problems in the world and (tried) develop our own military industry.
>>59073641
>As well as by far the largest GDP, population, landmass and force projection
I consider the place more like the West's retarded fetal alcohol syndrome cousin. Or is that Eastern Europe...
>>59072721
it's like a really old, moldy backup hard drive of the west. if the west falls to something, latin america will be the save file
>>59073096
That is no worse than US trailer parks. I would know.
>>59073677
By South American standards, "force projection" means "We have 20 bullets and our neighbor has 10."
GDP down there mostly means "We can afford to paint our favelas pretty colors so tourists and the UN won't be offended."
Only parts of Brazil
>>59073707
The thing is, the entire country of Cuba looks like that except Castro's palace.
>>59073739
No.
Depends. Is South Africa a Western country? It is and then it isn't.
Mexico, Colombia, Brazil, and the Southern Cone can be considered Western. The rest is just impoverished Indian shit.
>>59073274
this, if being a developed western country means living with jamal and muhammad then I'd rather stay third world
>>59073718
Sounds a lot like how the average American neighborhood
To most Americans Latin America is Puerto Rico and Mexico. South America doesn't even come into the mind of an American unless one of the following topics is breached.
>Coffee beans
>Cocaine
>Soccer
and the occasional reminder that communism still exists in the most pathetic way possible. That's it.
Eh, half.
I don't consider Latin America enemies of the West, like Africa and Asia.
>>59073233
>racial
check
>cultural
check
>religious
double check
>economic
check
>political
check
>historical
check
???
Western =/= in NATO
>>59072721
Of course not.
What do you guys think of this? If you see anything really off go ahead and change it, but I think this sums things up fairly well, if not extremely simplified.
>>59073801
You already made this same post with a US proxy.
>>59073823
>communism still exists
The fact that you believe this is worrying. Especially given the fact you couped a bunch of governments when we were a little too left wing for you
>>59073843
What is your definition of western?
Because it is not countries allied with america.
>japan
>south korea
>taiwan
>turkey
i shiggy diggy
>>59073843
It would be better to define what is "the west" and only once that's done decide what countries fit that definition.
>>59073896
>The fact that you believe this is worrying. Especially given the fact you couped a bunch of governments when we were a little too left wing for you
Dont worry Trump will fix you.
>>59073961
The man that insisted on not going interventionist, fucking globalization, and ignoring everything outside America will eliminate an imaginary gommie government in SA?
>>59073896
>removing Soviet/Cuban puppet regimes
I really feel absolutely terrible about that, y'know?
>>59073990
>The man that insisted on not going interventionist, fucking globalization, and ignoring everything outside America will eliminate an imaginary gommie government in SA?
The very same. Nothing he says matters anyways. He'll just do what he needs to do.
>>59073840
>Racial
Not at all
>Cultural
Sort of
>Religious
Your strongest argument
>economic
Neither developed nor liberal, so absolutely not
>Political
No
>Historical
No
>>59074032
This is some kremlin-bot tier propaganda you believe brah
>>59074045
I bet you also believe that there were WMD's in Iraq.
>>59074080
Well, the Netherlands sold them stuff like mustard gas.
Nah they're all shitholes, maybe Chile but they are still not quite there.
>>59073931
Countries that both simultaneously espouse the kind of thought born out of ancient Greece as well as the Enlightenment, personally.
Japan, SK, and Taiwan are pretty Westernized, but definitely not Western, and while I personally sure as hell don't consider Turkey to be Western they are definitely thought of as being Western by some.
>>59074140
And other chemical weapons. So it would be logical for them to have them. :^)
>>59073513
mamerto pls stop boasting on having some rare useless hamsters with you
>>59074180
Turkey's only claim to Western-hood is its NATO membership. It is not Western at all.
>>59074080
>He doesn't know
There were WMDs in Iraq. We sold them to Saddam in the 80s. Operation Iraqi Freedom was a cleanup op. Of course no WMDs were found because we never sold them WMDs and there were never any WMDs.
>>59074054
>Racial
>Not at all
Most of LatAm are Southern Europeans, European/Indian mutts, and pure-blooded Indians so at least some argument can be made there.
>>Not at all
>very few people don't have white blood
>most people are "white" (southern european white)
>>sort of
what makes us eastern?
we consume american culture. our entire literature is derived from european literature. even carnaval is western (christian tradition). our carnaval parades are derived from military marches and fascism (an european ideology).
>>Neither developed nor liberal, so absolutely not
what makes western developed?
is japan western? south korea?
>>No
Nice argument there, fagtron.
Our entire political system is a mix of american and republican france's systems.
do you know what you are talking about?
>>No
sure, kauã, the warrior, declared our independence.
and the amazonian tribes shaped our politics.
notice the sarcasm here?
>>59074270
At the end of the day it really is a yes/no thing. Argentina and Uruguay are something like 70-80% Spanish/Italian, while the rest of the continent is mutts. By and large, South America is not white. Having traces of European blood doesn't really mean anything.
>>59074180
Japan is the most Westernized of those countries and Taiwan the least.
>>59072721
No. Latin America being Western is laughable as Pakistan being Western. Also Portugal and Spain lost their Western membership centuries ago.
>>59074323
Then again, only 40% of Europe (the blue countries) is white anyway so w/e.
Culturally Latin America is western:
-Language
-Religion
-Institutions
The problem is that those institutions, while on paper the same as the West, failed, which created corruption, instability, etc.
The best way to see it is as a corrupted or impoverished sub-type of the West.
>>59072721
At least, you guys are more western than us.
>>59074500
According to the Dutch government Japanese migrants are western foreigners.
But Chinese and Koreans aren't western foreigners.
Brazil is not a white country, but in the south, an area larger than Germany, Poland or France, with tens of millions of people have almost 90% of the white population of the country. Where I live came many Slavs, Russians and Germans.
A protest in my region, people are public school students: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0L36ff3lcc
A public school: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_25VuXsthGU
>>59074520
Why the fuck is that happen? coz we entered into the treaty in19th?
>>59074477
I don't believe that the countries that had a heavy influencem of the natives in their culture or were big into African slavery are western.
>>59074678
I think because Japanese migrants behave better.
>>59074646
They still look like foreigners to me.
>>59074477
>Culturally Latin America is western
Yes Latin America is culturally western as Haiti.
yes
specifically, it's part of west africa
>>59074220
illiterate detected. fuck off, go to a university then we can talk.
chile is literally commiefornia without whites or blacks, just mexicans
>>59074719
I cee wat u did thar.
>>59072721
No, it's part of the South
Core Western countries are obv. the Anglosphere and Western Europe. Areas like LatAm and South Africa are partially Western but have a lot of native influence in their culture.
Eastern Europe is part of Western culture, but suffered decades of commie rape that has retarded their development.
Russia is half Western/half Asian.
Japan is not a Western country but has been the most strongly influenced by it of all Asian nations.
The rest of the world is irrelevant yellow/brown shit people and non-Western.
>>59074448
>france
>>59075432
fair enough
>>59076228
wtf man , wtf
>>59072721
It's not part of it.
Stop asking the same dumb question already
Only the countries that have European culture as the base. The Southern Cone is much closer to Latin Europe than to Peru and Bolivia
>>59077548
Mexico is also like Europe in the bigger cities, but many of the backwater rural areas are completely Indian.
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>>59077579
>Mexico is also like Europe in the bigger cities
Mexico is like murrika, not like europe
>>59076228
That's ok, you Berbero-Amerindian, you will never know that feel, get over it.
>>59077548
Brazil also would seem to qualify as Western since their natives are just spear-chucking ooga boogas who live in the Amazon.
>>59077579
Even there it's debatable since many of Mexico's cultural traditions are Indian, including most of the cuisine and holidays like Dia de la Muerta.
>>59078357
>most of the cuisine
If you don't know what you are talking about, you should stay silent. A great bunch of our cuisine is the exact same as the Spanish one. Pic related. Another great bunch is a mix from both, or Spanish dishes with local ingredients, and some, I agree, is full amerindian (very little).
>>59078357
>Dia de la Muerta.
Dia de los muertos*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints%27_Day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Souls%27_Day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Dead
>>59073742
100% innacurate desu. Cuba's no paradise but it was great in the 50s and is getting better now post-Castro. If Cuba never had communism, it'd be a 10/10 example of Latin American and Afro-decedents can do well in the West.
