Happy Day of Victory every1!
>>59071499
Friednly reminder
But I just lost my CSGO match what are you talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQA9Zv3gabg
>>59071584
Oh my. What a delicate trolling.
>>59071499
This one is better
>>59071499
>>59071530
>1941-1945
TRIGGERED
Hahaha. There is no victory for you.
What time will victory parade start?
Which cunts/leaders will be there?
>>59072009
UTC 07:00.
Duno about "leaders" and staff.
>>59072242
Any new tonks n sheit?
>>59072242
In two hours?
"We received trucks, boots, medical supplies, and radios by the thousands from the Americans. Really, victory would not have been possible without them. Yet it is now made to seem as if we had all these things ourselves in abundance."
-- Georgi Zhukov
>>59072434
We are grateful for your participation.
But radios and supplyes dont win wars. Although it helped a lot.
>>59071499
I want one
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3580078/Statue-Hitler-goes-17-2-million-New-York-auction.html
>>59072434
>>59071499
Wrong chan.Getchan is the perfect place for this post
http://www.getchan.net/
>>59073079
Is it better?
>>59073079
Hi Ukie. Keep hokholing?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
>>59073197
Wrong lunk comrad.This nazi crap is here
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
>>59073143
It's like a communist /pol/
>>59072434
Do you know that Americans made crystal white Pepsi for Jukov?
>>59074538
Did Pepsi even exist back then?
>>59071499
Keep up the good job hardworking comrade.
Greetings from burger land
>>59076800
I don't think so, and it definitely was coca -cola.
>>59071584
High quality animation.
"victory"
How about some war songs before the parade begins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkyG8b8pbbw
C 71-oй гoдoвщинoй пoбeды в Beликoй Oтeчecтвeннoй Boйнe !!!
Parade starts in under 30 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPzrWcN_rLo
>>59077395
I looked it up. The name "Pepsi-Cola" was used in WWII times and it wasn't shorted to Pepsi until 1961.
>>59072551
The Wehrmacht would have lost in the end simply due to the sheer size of the USSR, however without LL aid, it would have been considerably longer and more protracted.
It's interesting to think about what would have happened if we didn't send them all those supplies, while after Nazis surrendered they would have attempted to invade mainland Japan
I wonder how many more Soviet men would have been lost?
>>59078416
Thanx alot, India!
>>59074538
That's one of my favorite Cold War facts.
It's a shame the US and USSR couldn't get along. While there some obviously compatibility issues with our governments, we both wanted to promote democracy and both could have learned from each other.
The USSR was such an interesting country, and although I disagree with a lot of its ideas the Soviet forces in WW2 were some of the most valiant troops in world history.
Its habbening
>>59079055
>democracy
Something like that, I suppose
I'm just upset they didn't have any units full of wandering horse mounted Central Asian Dragoons or something lol
>>59079055
>we both wanted to promote democracy
>>59076800
It did, although Zhukov drank Coke.
A Russian friend told me that in Russia people say "Pepsi" to mean soft drink, because Pepsi was the first soft drink sold in the USSR. Might be regional.
>>59073079
>>59074309
Is this leftypol for tankies?
>ussr kills all its people and goes full retard
>usa kills some of its people and goes full retard
>somehow strongest powers in world
>>59079162
The USSR saw itself as being "more democratic" than the US. Democracy doesn't just mean voting.
While the USSR had no elections, the state served (on paper) as a surrogate for the proletariat. Elections were banned due to the belief that the bourgeoisie always win. Hardcore Marxist-Leninists would look at the US and say we were not truly democratic, because all the candidates were wealthy. In addition, the Soviets saw capitalist hierarchy as soft feudalism, and believed no system in which capitalism is the norm could really give the proletariat a proper voice.
This was obviously bullshit, because by Stalin's time the USSR was governed by an elite that was no more representative of the people than the US elite was. This, paired with Stalin's nationalism, meant that the poor were still being oppressed. But we need to keep in mind that most Soviet politicians really thought they were doing the right thing. Even Stalin was still a die-hard Marxist. He was a monster, but was convinced that his purges were necessary to stop the bourgeoisie from retaking Russia and enslaving the proletarians.
Ironically, the nature of the Soviet system created its own bourgeoisie no less powerful or exclusive than the one that ruled the Russian Empire. Many politicians recognised flaws in their own government, but like many American politicians, believed it was better than the alternative.
>>59077516
Solzhenitsyn is liar and nationalist, it's proved multiple times.
Victory Day isn't until September, silly!
>>59079162
USSR was a democratic state, we just had the direct democracy through the soviet system. Of course not in Stalin rule, but before and later soviets were pretty democratic. There were much more possibilities for average man to change anything than we have now, journalists were a serious power, you could raise the questions in the soviet meeting etc. The only troubles were that you could not promote capitalism, religion, nationalism and other things contradicting to party blatantly.
>>59079170
>A Russian friend told me that in Russia people say "Pepsi" to mean soft drink, because Pepsi was the first soft drink sold in the USSR. Might be regional.
It's not, people say Cola or Pepsi meaning special products. There is word limonad for soft drinks.
>>59079395
This is a second Victory day.
>>59071523
>Italy
>>59079486
For once, I don't think Italy would actually switch.
>>59079316
Bullshit, we had elections to soviets of lower level, and soviets of lower level elected people to soviets of higher level.
>>59071499
>A war in which a great evil was defeated by an even greater evil
>>59079316
>poor were still being oppressed
Poor were not opressed in Stalin times, lol. Life quality thrived because he provided people with jobs, housing. Peasants were collectivised that made agricultural industry very powerful. He opressed more party member and intellectuals he has seen as unloyal, usual people lived good under Stalin (that's why so many people love him in Russia and would like to bring him back).
>>59079589
>Baahhh nazis lost.
That's right nazi.
>>59071523
Этo типa пpeдмeт гopдocти для тeбя? Дoлбoeб.
инбифo змaгap кo-кo-кo
>>59079537
Sure, but the Soviet system was less representative than the American because the average Soviet citizen had very little say in their own policymaking. The American system promotes better results, because bad or corrupt politicians will be voted out of office.
That said, American democracy is not perfect, and until the 1960s many black Americans were effectively barred from voting.
>>59078715
It's interesting if Japan dont attack USA and if somehow Nazi gonna win war, do US join as allies with them ? :3
>>59079680
Honestly if nobody attacked us or anything near us we probably wouldn't have entered at all t.bh
that would have been interesting, too
>>59079639
Stalin couldn't even properly feed his own army at the start of WW2 anon; and the collectivization of farms was causing widespread starvation
>>59079457
Wasn't the definition of "promoting capitalism" ridiculously broad? Just look at how the music of Shostakovich was banned. And while Milos Forman's films never promoted any kind of hierarchy, their silly criticism of Soviet-style politics led to a widespread ban.
I don't like capitalism, but I think it's wrong to oppress those who do. Dissent is natural and promotes accountability. It should be the duty of a socialist stare to give its citizens no incentive to want capitalism.
>>59079642
Congratulations on your great victory of good vs. evil
>>59079589
What a bullshit, Russians hated church and killed priests massively during revolution. Many people welcomed Germans at first because they believed Germans would bring German lifestyle with them, but they brought fire and death. Also no one sane in Russia would call a good person crusader, because we fought the crusades and it's a part of our national myth (Alexandr Nevskiy, dog knights of Teuton order, etc) and crusaders are seen as scum invaders.
>>59079708
>>59079680
We would've gotten war declared on us by Germany at some point or another, because of our supplying of the Allies.
That or Germany would've sunk one of our ships like in WWI
>>59079589
Fascism will never be a viable ideology again. Socialism is rising throughout the world.
Stay bluepilled, silly little reactionary. Mr. Moneybags thanks you for your support every time he financially cucks you.
>>59079778
Socialism has been dead since 1989. RIP.
>>59079754
URAAAAAAAAA1111!!!!!!
>Finland don't have this feel.
>>59071523
>200 000 crovatian deaths
most of them were after the war
also
>crovatia
>>59079760
Well maybe that's one thing Hitler would have learned from the first world war
imagine us not having a pacific theater and being able to send all of our troops and supplies to one place instead of splitting them basically in half, we may have gotten to Berlin a little before the Soviets did if that was so
>>59079754
>good
>evil
are you 12 years old?
>>59071499
I hope you remember thanking United States of America and United Kingdom for saving your sorry excuse of a country. Soviets would been overrun without their help.
>>59079759
>because we fought the crusades and it's a part of our national myth (Alexandr Nevskiy, dog knights of Teuton order, etc)
Forgot the 300 years of wars with the Ottoman Empire.
>>59079666
Soviet system was not less representative, we just had a big filtering machine. You had to be a good politician to pass all levels of soviet system. We had no corruption during USSR times except some very rare cases.
>>59079811
>Battle of Moscow
>>59079316
I think it could be argued that USSR was more democratic if you don't constrain yourself to US definition of democracy. Most people who came to occupy important positions in the USSR (the elite you mention) came from very modest backgrounds and worked their way up the party/government ladder relying on their talents and dedication. Unlike China, there were few cases when children of powerful people became involved in government themselves. You could say that the elite you are talking about came from the people, so it was a democratic system. Whereas in Western countries governing was always a job for the upper class.
>>59079639
I think poor people were still oppressed, even if things were an improvement from Imperial times. Under Stalin, workers had little rights and were often forced to work long hours in poor conditions. He also gave workers less direct power than they had under Lenin, because he wanted tighter control of the economy.
This documents the problem pretty well:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4dp7ze/workers_rights_was_central_to_every_aspect_of/d1ty29u
>>59079817
Ottomans were not crusaders and it usually were we who attacked them first, what do you mean?
URAAAAAA
>>59079803
He wouldn't have just let us keep feeding Britain and arming the Soviets unfettered. Besides, our military (land, not Navy) was outdated and small before we entered the war. We really militarized quickly because Pearl Harbor rallied our entire population
>>59079854
>improvement from imperial times
At the beginning of WWI Russia was the fastest growing economy on earth
>>59079870
is that a gypsy veteran? what is he
>>59079861
The whole thing where the tsars believed they were waging a holy war to recover Constantinople from kebab.
>>59079818
But the machine was anti-democratic. Inhibiting democracy because of ideology is just as bad as inhibiting democracy through wealth.
Preventing dissent hurts accountability, because politicians have less of an incentive to perform well.
>>59079854
>Under Stalin, workers had little rights
No, all the governing was revolving around workers rights. Also they all had 8 hour work day, the only hard thing was you could be put in prison for being late more than 15 minutes.
>>59079847
That's correct, although I believe state-mandated ideology is bad both ethically and practically.
The USSR could have legally prevented capitalist exploitation without banning all dissenting political parties.
>>59071499
Happy day I wish.
>>59079887
I'm talking about improvements as felt by the people. You can discuss GDP all you want, but if the benefit is only felt by the upper crust, I'm not too interested.
>>59079847
>Unlike China, there were few cases when children of powerful people became involved in government themselves
The Soviet system in the last 20 years did become an oligarchy, after which it imploded on itself.
>Whereas in Western countries governing was always a job for the upper class
This is true of Europe with its hereditary gentry, but not the US which has always in theory had complete class mobility. Most of our presidents were from modest backgrounds. I mean, the current guy is the son of some white trash single mom with a chocolate fetish.
Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29kcLy37IhY
>>59079989
That's kind of hard to quantity.
>>59079943
Stalin took away workers' power to bargain for different conditions and persecuted strikers. That's reactionary.
>>59079915
Not really, it was more about nationalism (we should liberate brothers Slavs) than about religion. We always had a lot of Muslims who fought Ottomans as well. And crusaders are pure catholic thing, people see them as scum and enemies, as I mentioned it's a part of our identity. People here really hate West and Europe and Nevskiy was a guy who fought European crusades.
>>59079900
Ew are they national Bolsheviks?
>>59080026
Agreed, that's why assessing quality of life is so difficult.
>>59080031
Labor unions were completely verboten in communist states and when you did have episodes like the Novocherkassk strikes in 1962, it proved a grave embarrassment to the Soviet leadership since if the USSR was the workers' paradise, why would the workers go on strike?
>>59079900
Are these orthodox communists?
>>59080072
nah
>>59080061
No, just Putin tries now to combine appreciation of USSR among people with his own force of religion and traditionalism.
>>59079778
>Fascism will never be a viable ideology again. Socialism is rising throughout the world.
I'm not a fascist (inb4) but those two need not be mutually exclusive (see: national socialism, NSDAP)
>>59079806
>kill more civilians than hitler
>celebrate great victory over evil hitler
>>59079966
It is naive to think that there is a society without ideology. Ideology is everywhere, and the fact that you don't see it in itself tells how powerful it is in your society.
Try answering these questions to yourself: why is it so that there should be competitive elections and political parties? why is it so that there should be nations in the world? why is it so that there should be private property? why is it so that there should be a separation of powers? why is it so that there should be police? why is it so that there should be parliaments? etc. The answers you give contain ideology of your society that you were taught to believe.
>>59080069
>>59080031
Novocherkassk wasn't even in Stalin's time, it was in the "kinder, gentler" USSR of Khrushchev. There were various attempts during the Brezhnev era of workers organizing union; these generally ended when the union leaders were arrested and sentenced to psychiatric treatment.
>>59080125
That's so interesting.
I guess Putin is trying to create a society with the nationalism of the USSR and a neoliberal hierarchy.
This is a really dumb question, but are services like healthcare and higher education socialized in Russia? What's the quality of public services? Is there an adequate welfare system?
>>59080166
While I'm a socialist, I believe electoral representation is good because it allows for accountability. Preventing certain people from running for office sets a dangerous precedent that stifles societal self-improvement.
I believe that, if there was an adequate system for representation and reform, the USSR would not have collapsed and living conditions would not have lagged behind that of the West.
Never understood why milirary bands exist and take part in parades. Are they going to sung to the enemy? So gay.
>>59080007
There have been some born-rich presidents like FDR and JFK, but they were the exception.
>>59080166
Well there are logical reasons to some of those, separation of powers and powerful parliament make senve in a developed and rich country
>>59071499
Period is over. Su 34 and Mig 31 was great like are all technic on parade.
>>59080262
It would be a shit parade without music.
>>59080262
>tfw Israel will never have badass klezmer military bands
russia would have been better under nazi rule 2bh
>>59080321
And pretty empty too.
>>59080312
Yes, but there is no need for men in military uniform that sing to achive this.
>>59080007
Isn't it true that most US politicians were and still are lawyers by training? Isn't it true that to get this kind of training you had to come from solid middle class at least?
Besides, it doesn't matter so much what is the background of these people, but that they serve interests of the "corporate lobby", that is, highest circles of bourgeoisie. In the USSR there could be no corporate lobby because all industry was run by the state which was run by the people through mediation of their best men in party and state organs.
Even if you are not buying into the theory about total control of corporate interests over US political system, this is a coherent picture still, isn't it?
>>59080351
>there is no need for men in military uniform that sing
What a naive thought. HAHAHA!
>>59080262
It's called military tradition. In countries that have to maintain powerful militaries in times of peace, things like army choirs and bands do PR for the military
victory day?
i know for a fact that was yesterday in civilized countries
>>59080321
1. Germans are not innately superior to Russians
2. Even if superiority could somehow be proved, it's wrong to treat people poorly due to factors outside their control
3. Slavery is both needlessly cruel and economic non-viable, as slaves do not stimulate the economy like workers do
4. Genocide is evil because innocent civilians never deserve to die
It's sashlik time.
>>59080375
>Isn't it true that most US politicians were and still are lawyers by training?
I really don't know that desu. Never looked into it.
>Isn't it true that to get this kind of training you had to come from solid middle class at least?
You have to be able to afford the tuition to law school. There's no requirement that you have to have been born into X class. Biff the trailer park dweller could get into Harvard Law if he paid the tuition.
*snip remaining copypaste taken from www.berniesanders.com*
>>59079900
That faggot was bitching like a kid on the PL - BEL border when they got the middle finger from the border guards. "Uh oh muh human rights, is this Europe? Wahh wahhh".
>>59080194
>? Is there an adequate welfare system?
No
>healthcare and higher education
Free, education is good, healthcare is gradually becoming insurance based and becoming shit simultaneously
mah dreams...
>>59080424
Well you cant really ask countries that didn't actually fight to be precise about small rhings like commemoration dates XD
Seriously though, time zones, heard about them?
>>59080375
The one constant throughout Russian history is that the country's resources have always been used to serve and glorify the state and the Russian people have always just been cattle who's lives go extremely cheap.
>>59080315
https://youtu.be/sMkPo2RGK28
That's the closest to this you ever get since yidish culture is considered a remnant of galut weakness.
>>59080375
The US political system hugely favors the rich, especially those with connections.
Americans of predominantly English descent are less than 10% of the US, but represent a huge plurality and maybe a majority of our politicians. Families like the Bushes and the Clintons dominate politics. Obviously, there are some very important Irish and Jewish dynasties as well. But American politics values tradition and connections.
We make fun of British politicians for disproportionately attending Eton and Harrow, but many of our politicians are graduates of a small number of very old, very expensive, and very selective colleges in the northeast US known as the Ivy League.
>>59080246
I agree. I like the system in Iran. They have genuinely competitive elections, but at the same time their system stops wreckers and foreign agents from getting anywhere near the power to preserve their ideals of choice.
>>59080517
I know...Yiddish culture is the Jewish equivalent of blackface and pickaninnys eating watermelons and going "Aw yes sah, I's be shinin' yo boots, massa."
>>59080554
>>59080564
How cute, he found a US proxy to samefag with.
>>59080569
Yes you get it.
>>59080517
Nice singing.
I understand like 95%.
Jews seem to be very ugly people tho.
>>59080517
Ugh that's sad
Yiddish culture is so awesome. Do Israelis only honor their ancient Middle Eastern ancestors, and not theor recent European ancestors?
>>59080246
>While I'm a socialist
>>59080629
>Yiddish culture is so awesome
That's because you're from /pol/ and also think blackface shit is funny.
>>59080626
Thank you correctly skull sized pink faced arian friend.
>>59080510
Why you gotta be so offensive though? You dont need security or state much when you live half the world away from wars, instability and other piwerful countries.
To control and provide long-term security for a huge territory that borders just about every military threat in the world for centuries, you need centralization and a powerful state.
>>59080587
Bruh
>>59080569
You think maybe Hitler did them a favor by wiping out all that shit?
>>59080688
All that proves is that you have a Belarusian proxy. Which is more likely anyway since Belarusians rarely know English anyway, let alone the perfect, grammatically correct stuff you've been samefagging with.
>>59080298
Yeah, maybe, but that's beyond the point. We were taught to believe in these things by society all the same, so this is our ideology of the moment.
>>59080472
>There's no requirement that you have to have been born into X class. Biff the trailer park dweller could get into Harvard Law if he paid the tuition.
Where'd trailer park dweller get money for tuition tho?
>>59080510
That's the propaganda. "Country X has always been Y" is standard flavour of propaganda.
>>59080554
Now at least you have Obama who seems pretty multi-cultural to me.
>>59071523
Because your moron dictator executed anyone with a higher rank than a Sargent 4 years earlier because he was a paranoid nut.
>human wave attacks
>>59080688
you bear a disturbing resemblance to elliot rodger
>>59080629
We honor european parizans and zionist pioneers who shook off this way of live to return to productive manual labor and values of heroism and prevailing.
>>59080688
Your Face looks like a Character from Police Academy.
>>59080672
And yet, i have to add, that american state institutions are among the most bloated and over-supplied in the world.
Especially ones like police. Penal sysem too, despite its semi-private nature
>>59080771
... thats why Soviets dealt with 90% of Hitler's power? I dont get it
>>59071499
Happy Victory Day!
>>59080771
Stalin wasn't expecting war earlier than about 1943, by which point he figured the young army officers they'd been grooming after the purges would be ready for action. Remember that a lot of under 35 kids were filling the ranks at that time.
>>59080649
No, not at all. I don't think it's funny or silly, I think a lot of aspects of Ashkenazi culture are intriguing and ought to be celebrated. One of my uncles speaks Yiddish, which I always thought was very cool.
I'm a really big fan of Klezmer, both modern and traditional, and I love Ashkenazi food. I grew up eating latkes and honey apples even though I was not raised in the Jewish religion.
Yiddish culture also produced some absolutely phenomenal writers, philosophers, composers, artists, and political leaders. Even in America, people like Emma Goldman, Harold Bloom, Stella Adler, Michael Curtiz, and George Gershwin were raised speaking Yiddish.
c днeм вeликoй oтeчecтвeннoй пoбeды, тoвapищи!
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>>59080896
thanks!
>>59080896
>>59080958
Thanks bros!
Parade for thieves and attackers. Ayyy lmao.
>>59080727
Top kek. It's not completely out of ordinary here.
>>59080876
Eating food made from where? and being supplied with jeeps and half-tracks made from where?
You can field 400 rifle divisions but when the most industrious and populated part of your country is either occupied or torn to shreds by war someone is feeding them and equipping them.
>>59080925
I agree, but it was a shitty time to be caught with your pants down (they did have some good commanders later on that Stalin listened to more as the war went on)
I celebrate right now
>>59071499
Happy Victory Day anons.
the parade here starts in 5 minutes.
>make a parade for rapists, thieves, murderers
only in Russia
Happy Victory Day!
