>Amerifats won the space race
Oh boy i am laffin XD
>>58979019
>Italy
>winning anything
>>58979019
Ever heard of the tortoise and the hare ?
>>58979019
Too bad the USSR doesn't exist anymore :*)
>>58979052
Can't tell if you're implying that the US was the tortoise and the USSR was the hare, or the other way around
either way its not relevant, because the USSR did everything worth doing, the moon's only relevant because it was 'o wow look they on da moon!' and the plebs were appeased
>>58979019
Correction: they SAY they landed on the moon.
That moon robot looks almost steampunk, why soviets were so awesome when comes to design?
Except that Ivan didn't do all of these first.
>discovery of the Van Allen Belts
>first communications satellite
>first reconnaissance satellite
>first two week long manned mission
>first liquid hydrogen engine
>first large solid rocket motors
>first weather satellite
>first human beings to exit Earth orbit
>first successful flyby of Venus
>first closeup photos of Mars
>first landing on Mars
>first manmade object to exit the solar system
>first space station mission that was completely successful and they didn't have to abort it or the crew died
Shut the fuck up you fucking commie
>>58979156
OP pic isn't even the correct spacecraft (it shows a Lunokhod rover from the 70s).
>>58979294
Literally only 1 or 2 of those things are even relevant, the rest of it is just "muh satellites" and other shit, did you not even read the OP? Holy fuck lmao.
>>58979019
>Invented the internet that allows you to currently shitpost about a dead country
wew
>>58979367
>first woman in space
>relevant
Also...
>first comsat
>not important when that made a large part of modern telecommunications possible
>>58979019
> ITT: An Italian cuck is sad his country sucks so pretends he's a Ruskie
>>58979294
The only relevant one in this entire post is
> first manmade object to exit the solar system
and even that's debatably 'important'
>>58979391
>who is Tim Berners Lee
>Americans are so desperate they have to take credit for other country's inventions.
>>58979070
Check the news
>>58979423
>>58979408
Most of those made our modern technology and lifestyles possible in the first place.
>>58979431
>What is ARAPNET
>Italian "education"
Yes, all those important 20th century Italian inventions like...um fascism? Losing wars to Africans? Getting btfo by Greeks?
>>58979431
He created the WWW protocols not the internet.
>>58979431
WWW ≠ Internet
>>58979462
>we took a Russian invention and strapped transmission equipment on it
Ah yes, what a fantastically relevant contribution to the modern world. The Russians were never capable of doing that.
>>58979408
>first comsat
Umm even Sputnik could do that to an extremely basic extent.
>first woman
Honestly important because they are physically affected differently in Space.
Proofs?
>>58979019
Well USSR/Russia sucks so much that it makes sense they were lining up to go into space.
>>58979492
>>58979485
>>58979479
Oh I'm sorry. For all this time I'd thought Arpanet was nothing more than a shitty computer network. I had no idea it was capable of transferring pictures, videos, music and interactive web pages which allowed sites like 4Chan and practically every website there is now to exist. Funny you don't hear about the American engineers from the 1970s sharing their funny meme images and cat videos on Arpanet with each other. They were probably doing it so much.
>>58979500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTOpjhL1430
SCORE was the first comsat launched December 18, 1958.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY2L9TQGA9k
And Telstar was the first operational comsat launched July 10, 1962. The Soviets didn't have one for another two years after that and then it was mostly just for military use.
>>58979019
Does Italy have a space program?
Anyways the point wasn't who was first to accomplish those things; the point was who was ABLE to do them at all.
All throughout the Space Race the Americans and the Soviets went back and forth, with the Soviets usually in the lead. One nation developed a new technology, then the other tried to demonstrate they could do it too.
The Space Race concluded with the lunar landing because the Soviets weren't able to reciprocate. The back and forth ended as the Soviets did not have the knowledge or the technology to put a person on the moon, despite trying and failing multiple times.
The Apollo program also led to the personal computer revolution of the 70s-80s.
>>58979636
Also I mean >>58979294.
We did most of the more valuable scientific space firsts instead of gimmick missions like putting a female in space and putting three dudes in space in a hacked-up Vostok capsule.
>>58979584
>>58979019
>We all benefit from things invented by NASA
>You all bash them over a few things they didn't get at first.
US didn't win the space race because of getting to the moon, and they didn't lose it because the Soviets did a bunch of other stuff. We won it because the USSR couldn't keep up with our spending on anything. We had more money to throw at NASA post moon landing while the Soviets were nearly bust. The ONLY claim that Russian space industry has now days is that it is actually doing space travel as opposed to NASA which has become much more research focused.
:^)
>>58979636
>>58979674
We're a major contributor to the ESA but no.
Also as has been stated before in the OP landing in the moon is the only thing the Americans accomplished and still make a big deal over today regardless of the fact that it doesn't really mean shit and got btfo by Russians in every other field of the space race.
>>58979709
>The ONLY claim that Russian space industry has now days is that it is actually doing space travel as opposed to NASA which has become much more research focused.
>getting back photos of Pluto
>versus delivering a box of wrenches to the ISS
Uh...
>>58979740
Fine, let me correct myself.
"Manned space travel"
>>58979739
>Also as has been stated before in the OP landing in the moon is the only thing the Americans accomplished and still make a big deal over today regardless of the fact that it doesn't really mean shit
>>58979648
Hadn't you known how much technology we use today came out of the race to the Moon?
>>58979584
>Backpedaling after being proven wrong
wew
>I'd thought Arpanet was nothing more than a shitty computer network.
ARPANET was literally the groundwork for everything that came afterwords, your computer still inputs essential protocols developed almost 50 years ago.
This is why nobody likes Italians
Also we didn't lose 100+ people from rockets exploding on the pad because we weren't stupid enough to work on them without draining the propellants first. ;)
>>58979813
This. They're 100x more smug than the French, even though Italy is a third world shithole. Lel
>>58979813
I like them generally but they get so emotional sometimes.
>>58979776
>being proved wrong
Oh really? I'm pretty sure I just blew you the fuck out. On an English invention. Oh no wait sorry, I forgot we were talking on Arpanet.
>>58979431
You didn't know that an American invented the liquid fueled rocket? ;)
>>58979739
>and got btfo by Russians in every other field of the space race
They didn't though. They lost space probes by the dozens and have never successfully sent a probe to anything except Venus and the Moon.
>>58979894
>I just blew you the fuck out
Sure buddy, whatever helps you sleep at night
>>58979933
>giving up already
Thank God the Soviets saved you in WW2 as well. Amerifats can't even defend themselves on an anonymous image board.
>>58979500
>Honestly important because they are physically affected differently in Space.
It was mostly a gimmick thing. To this day the Russians have hardly sent any women in space. More American and European women have actually traveled in a Soyuz than Russian women.
ITT: ASSMAD EUROKEKS
>>58979993
It's just a butthurt Shitalian. Don't pay him any attention.
>>58979866
>he said in the thread where his countrymen were getting anally ravished for being called out on things they never did
I think actually the first manmade object to reach space (suborbital) was one of the sounding rockets launched on a V-2 in the late 40s.
>>58979150
correction: gold foil
gold reflects 100% of IR waves which would melt the astronauts inside alive
also foil because it was cheaper
>>58979968
Keep going, not even phased.
Though you shouldn't be bringing up other countries war record if I were you lad.
Ivan bitter as always
Why hasn't there been another moon expedition?
>>58980058
Why? Worried I'll bring up the fact that the US has never won a foreign conflict on it's own? Or the fact that you got rekt by south east Asian rice farmers? Or Afghani goat shepherd's? Or Somalis?
>>58979019
Hey now Hey now. Lets not forget the first country to have a BLACK president. THE US of A. So back off Ireland.
>>58980126
Feminism
>>58980134
Yet we still beat Italy, so that makes you worse than goatfarmers, Somali's and rice farmers
>>58979019
>implying either russians or americans did any of this
It was all abducted german scientist on both sides.
>>58980134
i think he was referring to the fact that italy has the most embarrassing military history of the 20th century.
>>58980134
>Why? Worried I'll bring up the fact that the US has never won a foreign conflict on it's own?
Didn't we beat up Mexico and Spain? Also the victory over Japan was about 90% our doing.
The War of 1812, while nowadays usually considered a stalemate, back in the 19th century was always considered to have been a US win.
>>58979739
What the fuck is ESA
>>58980160
Not really since 90% of the US space program was designed and built by native-born Americans. The Soviet program essentially 100%.
Even then, Werner Von Braun would never have been anything except that an American invented the liquid fueled rocket first and the Soviets had rocketry programs in place prior to WWII.
>>58980206
Europoor space agency
Only major accomplishment is landing on a comet.
Considered a huge achievement on par with the moonlandings by EU nationalists when it's probe-tier at best.
>>58980206
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esa
>>58980218
Von Braun basically built the entire US space program with his team and its been at a relative standstill since he died.
>>58980176
>we beat up Mexico and Spain
What an achievement.
>the victory over Japan was about 90% our doing.
Yeah, you didn't just get carried by Australia everywhere and you didn't drop two atomic bombs on them to force them to surrender.
>The War of 1812, while nowadays usually considered a stalemate, back in the 19th century was always considered to have been a US win
Literally got their own white house burnt to the ground and got fucked out of Canada and Americans are still in such denial over it 200 years later they still can't accept they lost. You can't make this up!
the soviets were pretty good at firsts because human lives were totally expendable.
>>58980229
>Only major accomplishment is landing on a comet
You're referring to the Giotto probe sent to Halley's Comet in 86? That actually was just a flyby and the camera on the probe failed so they didn't get back any closeup photos.
NASA unfortunately couldn't send a probe there due to lack of funds.
>>58980251
>Yeah, you didn't just get carried by Australia everywhere
Italian ""Education""
>>58980289
Irony.
what's set off this gabagool? did someone make fun of italian "cuisine" again?
>>58980251
>What an achievement
Your claim was "America has never singlehandedly defeated anyone." I proved you wrong. QED. Also didn't Italy lose a war to a couple of niggers with spears?
>Yeah, you didn't just get carried by Australia everywhere
I seem to remember they almost got invaded by Japan and we had to bail them out.
>Literally got their own white house burnt to the ground and got fucked out of Canada and Americans are still in such denial over it 200 years later they still can't accept they lost. You can't make this up!
The basic aim of the war was to stop British impressment of American sailors which was accomplished, also we lost no territory and made no concessions to London, plus they sold us the Red River Basin which proved a big whoopsie because it was full of iron ore.
Also the European states finally took the US seriously as a nation after 1815.
>>58980251
>Italian criticizing ANYONES military record
Bud, I'm not even going to humor you. It's too easy of a target. It's funny how buttblasted you are over some shitty b8 though
How the hell did slavs beat America in so many ways when they were poorer and less developed the entire cold war?
Don't give me that German scientist abduction meme
>Shitposting
>IN SPAAACE OOOOH
We would've gotten every single tick off if there weren't so many autistic Italian diaspora taking up immigration quotas.
>>58980400
That is literally it though.
>>58980229
>Only major accomplishment is landing on a comet.
That's actually quite the mathematical feat, calculating the point a probe will land on a comet 10 years from launch. An early mistake could've taken the whole 10 years to manifest itself, and it did cause it landed in shadow so it couldn't get power. Manned missions to the moon take only like 3 days pretty sure.
>>58979019
USA won the propaganda war. That mean they win in everything.
>>58980400
Wasted huge amount of resources on space program that was only able to keep being funded because of Oil anyway.
>>58980429
And we launched probes to all of the outer planets which take 10+ years. Your point?
>>58980346
>I proved you wrong
Not really, both of those wars you fought right next to your own country against weak crumbling states that could barely fight back.
>saved Australia
Lmao
>The basic aim of the war was to stop British impressment of American sailors which was accomplished
Wrong. It was to take Canadian land, that excuse was made up after you lost the war that is still taught today in American "educational" centres.
>Also the European states finally took the US seriously as a nation after 1815.
Yeah sure they did.
>>58980463
>that excuse was made up after you lost the war
Kek, this delusion
>>58980400
The Soviets just got lucky with some of the early space missions because they had only one rocket (R-7) to debug while we had 5-6 different rocket families. Also the R-7 was bigger than our birds because they couldn't miniaturize nuclear warheads as much as we were able to.
What reaaaaaaaally happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97zg3B4eRv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97zg3B4eRv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97zg3B4eRv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97zg3B4eRv0
>>58980463
"The War of 1812 was a military conflict that lasted from June 18, 1812 to February 18, 1815, fought between the United States of America and the United Kingdom, its North American colonies, and its North American Indian allies. Historians in the United States and Canada see it as a war in its own right, but Europeans often see it as a minor theatre of the Napoleonic Wars. By the war's end in early 1815 the key issues had been resolved and peace came with no boundary changes.
The United States declared war for several reasons, including trade restrictions brought about by the British war with France, the impressment of as many as 10,000 American merchant sailors into the Royal Navy,[5] British support for Native American tribes fighting American settlers on the frontier, outrage over insults to national honor during the Chesapeake–Leopard Affair, and American interest in annexing British territory.[6] The primary British war goal was to defend their North American colonies; they also hoped to set up a neutral Indian buffer state in the Midwest that would impede American expansion in the Old Northwest and to minimize American trade with Napoleonic France, which Britain was blockading."
Snipping off pieces of Canada was merely a side quest in a war that had multiple causes. Besides, since Britain ceded the (iron-rich) Red River Basin, we actually did succeed in that goal.
>>58980455
It physically landed on the comet. The probes that get sent to gas giants are either doing fly bys or some atmospheric test by 'crashing' them in.
Finish line.
Seriously though, do Americans think first man on the moon is a more important achievement than first man in space, first robot on the moon, first space station and first satellite? Really think about it for a moment and whether or not you've been brainwashed with propaganda since birth
>>58980486
Irony.
>>58980543
There's no solid surface on those planets to land on.
>>58980570
I don't so when literally every relevant historian agrees.
Stay upset
>>58980576
that's why I put 'crashing' in quotes
>>58980563
Do you actually realize how much technical challenge was involved in getting a man onto the Moon? It outstripped the Soviets' technological abilities to the point where their attempt at it completely fell apart.
>>58980563
Developing the first and only rocket to put people past low earth orbit is a pretty big deal yes.
>>58979479
The first nuclear reactor.
>>58980463
>Yeah sure they did
That's why we immediately thereafter declared the Monroe Doctrine which barred Europeans from further New World adventures. After 1815, the US meant business.
>>58980627
But why is it a bigger achievement than all the others listed? It's not like it has long lasting benefits the way satellites have
>>58980503
ah yes, Wernarov Braunski put Nikolai Armstrovich on the moon.
>>58980563
The Soviets had unquestionably amazing firsts and trailblazed the stars for sure. Firsts aren't what make you win though, lasts are. We are still doing space missions and discovering more and more about the cosmos, meanwhile the USSR doesnt even exist anymore.
We win by doing fault because we outlasted the competition. No single country can even compete with our achievements in space. No GROUP of cou tries on search can compete.
>the race ends where "space" begins
the Voyager probe has left the solar system and is still transmitting
we sent manned flights to the moon and back
that's the end of this "debate" you queers
>>58980705
A lot of Soviet "firsts" were stunt flights with relatively minimal scientific value. Consider even that Sputnik was a simple radio transmitter while the first US satellite discovered the Van Allen Belts.
>>58980705
>doing fault
*default
>>58980705
That's the overall cold war though, not the space race. America arbitrarily defined what the finish line to the space race was and declared themselves victors. Man on the moon is a significant achievement, but not the most significant space achievement and I don't believe it's even the most significant American space achievement.
>>58980587
>I don't think so when every historian that panders to my world view agrees*
Haha, oh Yanks. Never change.
>>58980489
>Also the R-7 was bigger than our birds because they couldn't miniaturize nuclear warheads as much as we were able to
About this. By 1960, the Soviets already had smaller warheads so a giant ICBM wasn't needed anymore and besides, the R-7 was totally impractical as a missile, but Sergei Korolev cleverly satisfied the Soviet military's demand for an ICBM in the mid-50s (because they knew the US was developing one) by designing a rocket that would have been useless for military purposes, but which did happen to make a very good space launcher, so much that it's still flying today. Clever bastard he was.
>>58980791
>not the most significant achievement
I'd say it unquestionably is, getting a man to the moon, and then, the hardest part, getting him back safely, is scientifically amazing and blows all of that other mickey mouse shit out of the water
and if your metric is distance (as this is a race), we're winning that too
you're just being contrary for the sake of a 4chan troll thread and I'm not sure why I'm entertaining this
>the US meant business.
>>58980688
>But why is it a bigger achievement than all the others listed?
Because it allowed us to place instruments like space telescopes that have contributed immensely to our understanding of the Universe.
>>58979019
Americans also think that they singlehandedly won ww2. Dont think about it.
Americunts are ignorant :3
>>58980836
>I'd say it unquestionably is, getting a man to the moon, and then, the hardest part, getting him back safely, is scientifically amazing and blows all of that other mickey mouse shit out of the water
That or the planetary probe missions, a category the Soviets fell short in. Damn, even India succeeded with a Mars mission (on their first attempt as well).
>>58980809
>Can't even list one credible historian that says otherwise
You're proving him right you know.
>>58980866
I don't think anyone said that. European front was about 50% our work and the Pacific about 80%.
>>58980836
But every soviet first was an amazing, ground-breaking achievement too done by incredibly intelligent people putting in a lot of work. It's mind-blowing how consistently Americans are unable to see their own bias. Still no one has explained why the moon landing is more important than any other advancement
>>58980866
Soviets are honorary Murricans before 1946 desu
>>58980914
>But every soviet first was an amazing, ground-breaking achievement
Puting a woman or dog in verses putting a man in a space craft isn't what I'd call "groundbreaking"
Speaking of space, this is gonna be exciting.
Get hype
>>58980841
I don't know what you mean by the moon landing allowed that to happen, but indeed space telescopes are a much more important achievement.
HAHAAHA FUCKING AMERICANS BTFO
LITERALLY CANNOT NAME A COUNTRY MORE IRRELEVANT
>>58980879
>Can't even list one credible historian
Oh so its come to listing historians now eh? How petty. But as a matter of fact I didn't see him list a single one either.
>>58980948
The dog sort of, except they couldn't bring it back alive. To their credit, they later did succeed in the first recovery of living beings from space (Korabl-Sputnik 2 in August 1960).
>>58980998
RARE
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>>58980948
Actually it is. As has been stated before putting a woman in space instead of a man is a different ball game for numerous medical reasons.
>>58980899
>European front was about 50% our work
;)
>>58980655
>To bad he was a American citizen when he did that because you tomato niggers made him leave.
>>58980998
Maybe myanmar?
Most people on the planet have no idea whether your country is in Asia or Africa.
>>58980948
>putting a man in a space craft isn't what I'd call "groundbreaking"
why not? If there wasnt anyone before that did it it is groundbreaking mate
>>58979494
>Russians build it first
>that means we stole the design, purpose, and function
No, it's not that we had completely different purposes for making them, different designs, and functions, we just totally stole their amazing technology that failed half the time.
>>58980899
Top kek.
You fought a handful of underage recruts in the Normandy.
Nice 50% you got there.
>>58981020
Newfag.
>>58979636
>Still no one has explained why the moon landing is more important than any other advancement
It was explained incredibly clearly in this post
>>58979636
I don't understand why it's so hard for you guys to understand that the world's largest national economy on the planet has made significant scientific accomplishments. If you throw enough money into a developed nation with a large population, something is going to be produced.
I genuinely believe your resentment for our cultural and economic dominance is clouding your reasoning skills
>>58981073
>tomato niggers
nice
>>58981063
It really wasn't though because Soviet spacecraft were designed to be as automated as possible, so all you had to do was strap the cosmonaut in and let the computer system do all the work.
Besides that, Valentina Tereskhova's performance on Vostok 6 wasn't all that great and the postflight mission reports and official histories of the Soviet space program had any number of derogatory, misogynistic comments on her flight.
>>58981104
Read the entire sentence.
>>58981118
>>58981104
>>58981064
This is that Russian diaspora in Germany. I hadn't seen it for a while. Surprised to see it's still here shitposting.
Europeans are going to be INCREDIBLY butthurt when we land first Mars also.
Didn't the US bankroll most of the Allied war effort? Georgi Zhukov even said in his memoirs that victory would not have been possible without Lend-Lease.
>>58981156
>he doesnt share my opinion must be diaspora/vatnik
no mate i just dont like the arrogant world view of the US. You guys are clever on the short term but lack the capacity to make long term plans.
>>58981260
Dude, I know you're that diaspora Putinbot. Who the heck do you think you're fooling?
>>58981260
>but lack the capacity to make long term plans
Durr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record
>>58981156
>having 200.000 Soldiers occopying France
>having 6 Million Soldiers fighting on the east
Remember you crashed those 200.000 with the Help of the British and the French Resitance.
Better open a history book insteed of watching Private Ryan for education. Hahaha!
>>58981300
I meant that generally. For instance economy. One crisis after the other. Then wars. One failed state after the other.
>>58981282
you did well bubba its ok now stop posting
>>58980952
I'm more hyped about future Spektr telescopes.
>>58981445
>For instance economy
Just like the EU..
>One crises after another
Just like the EU...
>Then wars
Just like the EU...
Funny how that works.
>>58979019
today we drink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ugivNRYfjc
>The end results don't matter! What matters is that the soviets tried hard!
Keks4days.
Typical communist thinking. If you aren't first you are literally last in a two man race.
>>58981445
Your country has collapsed three times in the past century and you are advising Americans on long term plans?
>>58979019
>Amerifats won the space race
The concept of the space race is one sided.
The soviets were just exploring until America showed up, went to the moon and said THIS WAS A RACE ALL ALONG AND MOON WAS THE FINISH LINE. USA WON! WE OUT!
Sure, they played with the idea but the soviets had little in actual plans to go to the moon.
It's like you're the first person to go hiking in uncharted territory, some other dude shows up behind you takes a sharp left, stops and goes "I WON!" while you keep exploring not really knowing what he's all about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venera
The soviets could have went oh, fuck moon, we landed a probe on Venus in the 70's, the space race ended here. The space race was a feel good thing the American government came up with so that the people could sleep at night.
>>58979150
t. Hungarian intellectual
>>58981675
>The end results don't matter! What matters is that the soviets tried hard!
Who said that? It's exactly about results. And there is nothing about "communist thinking" there, you don't even know what does it mean.
Wait if maybe Elon will give you real deal,just keep buying our engines.
>>58981759
>Sure, they played with the idea but the soviets had little in actual plans to go to the moon.
Korolev began drawing up plans for the N-1 in 1959, but the Kremlin didn't greenlight any manned lunar program until 1964 which was already far too late to possibly catch up to the US.
The fact is that they weren't trying to do anything but quick space firsts for propaganda and had no real, long-term plans as NASA did.
When I was younger, I always thought that spacecraft looked like computer animations when they got out of the atmosphere, sorta like in Space Jam, where objects switched from being real to animated depending on where they were.
>all this american butthut
glorious
>>58981869
>had no real, long-term plans as NASA did
NASA isn't sending people to space anymore, the former soviets are. In fact, americans are hitching a ride aboard modern versions of soviet rockets, and launch from the same starport Gagarin did.
Soyuz is russian for union (the soviet one).
Your move.
>>58981916
>yfw poo in the loos have had more successful Mars missions than you and you've been trying since 1960
Come now.
>>58981972
>>58981759
You know, if you're gonna use a proxy, at least find one not from a Butthurt Belt country. It makes you a little too obvious.
>RIDF "Balt" or "Pole"
>>58981987
>>58981972
)))))))))
>>58982008
I'm surprised at Kremlinbots still boasting about their space program being nothing but a low cost freight service now. The last time they accomplished anything in terms of scientific exploration was the Vega probes in 1985.
>>58982082
Also once SpaceX is up and running with manned spacecraft, it's gonna hurt Russia hard because Rent-A-Soyuz is worth a lot of money. They need us more than we need them.
>>58982082
>freight service
Did you just refer to your astronauts as cargo?
>>58981987
I love amerifat butthurt in the morning. Stay deluded. 80% of wermacht beaten, first in space, still in space while you drop to third world status. You will probably die of diabeeeetus and
>get shot
than I of my vodka habit.
>>58982151
>>58982140
Man up and remove the proxy, dude. You're not fooling anyone.
>>58982199
>>58982199
No kurwa, ależ się znalazł amerykaniec perfidny. Aż kurwa proxy mam używać żeby się z nim komunikować.
>NO U
>>58982199
btw. apparently even balts, russians and poles can unify to hate on your country
>>58981527
>Just like the EU..
Finance crisis induced by US companies like Goldman Sax
Refugee crisis caused by US wars in middle east.
Well the war thing is pretty retarded. The EU is just following the US as most of them are NATO members to begin with
>>58981709
>Your country has collapsed three times in the past century and you are advising Americans on long term plans?
Germany collapsed 3 times in the past? The only real collapse was the end of ww2. That was a collapse. What are the other 2?
We're still winning the race, too.
>>58982673
I thought poles and balts sucked american dick.
>>58979019
even that was a fucking hoax anyway
>>58985210
Only when Russia is bullying them.
>>58985208
>We
>is a fat neckbeard in his moms basement
you sure have are doing your best to achieve this goal bubba
first man on the moon?
>>58985275
Fucking booty blasted. The only thing Germans ever put in space were their dreams of a racially pure Europe. Suck my mars dick.
>>58981260
>arrogant worldview of the US
adolf nearly got into art school, but i hear he painted with too wide a brush
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Werner von Braun would like to have a word with you bubba
>>58985361
>the only thing Germans ever put in space were their dreams of a racially pure Europe
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