Which side is your country going to be on in the Anglo-Hispanic War that is only a few days weeks away?
The side of democracy and the right to self determination, or the side of imperialism and butthurt?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/25/leaving-eu-would-fuel-argentinian-aggression-towards-falkland-is/
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6982560/Spain-warns-it-will-take-Gibraltar-the-very-next-day-if-Britain-votes-to-leave-EU.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/gibraltar/10233514/Spain-to-take-all-necessary-measures-to-defend-Gibraltar-interests.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/05/royal-navy-fires-warning-shots-as-spanish-vessel-harasses-us-sub/
>>58942009
My sides, do spain actually think they have a a chance in hell against the British military? Plus Nato would be obliged to join on Britain's side.
Dunno...
Starting a war with Brits is very tempting, but taking one or two Spanish regions is better
Gott Strafe Spanien
I think it's British imperialism that is the problem
Spain and Argentina are disadvantaged countries. It's only fair that we hand them Gibraltar and the Falklands to them. Its the only way we can even start to say sorry.
>>58942009
I'd rather we cut Gibraltar loose. They take the fucking piss out of us, demanding our defence when they fuck us over with the gambling tax laws.
We wil take all necessary measures to defend Gibraltar interests.
>>58942216
t. Jeremy "I hate Britain" Corbyn
Spain, obviously
>>58942216
>t. Carlos Hernandez
>Brits being this warmongering
The Argentinian armed forces do not exist. Period. The Chilean army could walk in and take all of Argentina and there's nothing we could do about it. You think we can support a war against Britain?
Same for Spain, I doubt that they'd start a war against another yuropean country in 2016.
Please come back grandps, this isn't the 1800s anymore.
I'll bathe in english blood. Can't wait to join some paramilitary group to start genociding the million brits living in Spain.
>>58942216
Tbh, our "ownership" of Gib, is corrupt af.
>>58942343
gfp ranks argentina as being more "powerful", i don't know how reliable it is though
>>58942009
Sounds fun. I wonder if we could get some more military bases in Spain from this
my body is ready
>mfw I invade the Falklands
>mfw I rape every single woman and sheep on the islands, and murder every man and child
>I burn every single british flag there and replace it with an Argie flag
>and as the british navy comes, rig the entire islands to explode and escape back to Argentina
The brit genocide is coming, and it's looking so bright Ingotta wear glasses
>>58942507
Tobh with our cucked govenment you could just ask for them and we'd simply give it to you.
>>58942546
fuck you I want a sako
gib
> don’t forget about one other thing: we’ll be talking about Gibraltar the very next day.”
>Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said Spain will take "legal and proportional steps"
He didn't say "take Gibraltar".
>>58942549
well if you're going to commit war crimes, it's only fair that we do too
>>58942594
That article also says Gibraltar is an island, lmao.
>>58942009
How many threads are you going to make about this
>>58942660
Knowing how cucked your country is, we'd just need to pay some muslim to say nukes are haram, and you'd probably dismantle every single one of them.
>mfw finally a chance to strike at the eternal anglo
Do it Spain.
>>58942111
Why? You are the one not respecting the law, pirate
>>58942591
we don't give nothing to messiterrorists
I'm currently in Gibraltar let's check the flag
>>58942203
t.Napoleon
>>58942723
>pay
are you sure you could do that?
>Gibraltar will be spanish again in your lifetime
Can't wait lads.
>>58942694
Fucking ignorants
>>58942801
>5 october 2012
yes, i'm sure
We'd just need to give him an 11 year old to rape
>>58942801
that was paid some time ago
don't include me in your meme debates though
>>58942801
Holy shit that's one serious national embarrassment right there.
>Summer is coming
We don't stand a chance
Sink them while they're having siesta!
If Spain attacks Britain : Britain
>>58943224
Worst colony.
Pinches piratas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbot_War
the winning side of course
>>58942009
>Spain-warns-it-will-take-Gibraltar-the-very-next-day-if-Britain-votes-to-leave-EU
funny that absolutely no one in here got the warning.
is there a Brit newspaper you can take seriously and look up for real news?
>>58942009
I was on Gibraltar for a while when I was in the navy and that place is more British than some of our own towns. I went into an English style pub and had an all day English breakfast washed down with a pint, aid for it with English money then had a laugh with a policeman wearing a British type uniform. The Spanish may claim it but the people there certainly do not accept it.
>>58942009
pirates dead is good for humanity
>>58942801
HAHAHAHA HOLY FUCK I'VE BEEN ON THAT FUCKING SHIP
>>58943384
No, not really
All this is done to fearmonger. A few months ago they ramped up security in the Falklands because we were apparently (I had no idea and it never happened) looking to buy fighters from Russia.
Britain is a living 1984.
>>58943386
Because those people are colonists. Gibraltar should be ethnically cleansed.
>>58942009
The UK no contest, we would have their backs as well.
>>58943452
Not only Russia, but China as well.
proofs:
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2014/12/30/russia-argentina-jets-food/21045405/
http://origin.www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/China's%20Military%20Agreements%20with%20Argentina.pdf
Iberian Union when?
>>58943888
>portugal
>not supporting anglos
>>58943888
LOL
fuck off leech
>>58942009
Our dear old mum of course
>>58943997
Greatest ally
>>58943932
>Suporting Anglos
Its time to stop.
>>58942009
Eu.
Death to dem ewigen engländer.
Once again wird deutschland support spain.
Tot dehn insel affen!!!
>>58942009
we'll help argies retake the islands, you're done for
>>58944037
I'd like to see that, I really would.
>>58944041
In BASED Germany we can trust.
>>58942111
question is, what are you going to do about it? gibraltar is going to be easy to hold by spain.
falklands is probably a bit less likely, argies are not in a good place right now
>>58944041
Greatest ally.
>>58943997
>country roleplaying
I'd fight for the Spanish just so I could put a bullet through your skull
>>58944063
heh, not if I can do anything about it
*steals Panama papers*
>>58944177
lolgay
>>58944131
We müssen secure EU for ouer brüder and freunde so we können prosper und thrive. Ohne tha a ausländische aggressor is controlling wer entering the mittelmeer.
Onwards MARSCH! Legio condor 2.0
>>58942009
A boring day for your newspapers?
I thought that you had some incoming elecctions.
>>58944288
The elections are already over m80
>>58942009
Don't make me choose.
while we're at it...
>>58944106
It'll never happen. Spain aren't going to risk it over a fucking rock that has literally zero value.
>>58944200
panama papers was our first offensive, it already weakened your political stability
>>58944472
You will be a hostile forigne nation in ouer back yard. The value of this rock is apsulut.
>>58944399
There will be no choice.
A fellow E.U member, will be at war with a foreigner.
>>58944458
Does France even want those Islands?
>>58942205
>mfw an Englishman insults a Spaniard on an American image platform in German
We /int/ nao
>>58944684
of course
>It's another "Argentina wants to go to war" episode
Yawn. You Brits sure are obsessed.
>>58942009
Will our longest and greatest ally, Portugal, be joining us? I hope so.
>>58944560
le wut?
>>58944684
Meh
I think they should be ours, but if they want to stay with you, then no problem
>>58944769
Well you can't have them
>>58942009
>spics fucking with the Eternal Anglo
Has history taught the subhumans nothing?
RULE BRITANNIA!!!
>>58944787
>You Brits sure are obsessed
t.
>>58942591
Here, have a sakho instead
Ready the ships, lads.
>>58944814
Nope.
Fuck off.
>>58944842
'rule'
>>58944834
in fact they're not even british, just owned by the queen. so it would be between us and her.
>>58944985
I don't quite like your uncouth tone.
>>58944980
what's this from?
I want to listen to I vow to thee my country while cannonballing the Sp*nish Armarda
>>58945062
Yeah they're crown dependencies. The people who live there are of mostly British stock.
>>58944647
But it's Spain...
>>58945109
The show Black Sails.
>>58945141
>The people who live there are of mostly British stock.
Really?
RULE, BRITTANIA!
BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES!
BRITONS NEVER NEVER NEVER WILL BE SLAVES!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5oO6wBrp8s
Piratas de mierda
EXOCET FOR SALE
65.000£ / each
EXOCET EN VENTA
10.00€ / pieza
>>58945194
Yeah. Not many actual French live on Jersey or Guernsey.
Hijos de puta, respetad el tratado de Utrech
>>58942009
I will side with jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NhbzCjTnps
>>58945270
This is NOT okay!
>>58945320
They don't identity as British either.
>>58945280
Oh the buthurt.
And yes.
USE NOW!
On your knees fuck up.
You talk to a suppirior human being.
>>58945270
the eternal fr*g strikes again
>>58945270
*tears of joy*
>>58945475
>"suppirior"
>gets butthurt over a few rocks
>>58943673
>Gibraltar should be ethnically cleansed.
Pick a fight with a nuclear power and we will see who is cleansed.
>>58945642
You don't even make it on the list mate.
>>58945726
Anglo propaganda again
>>58945420
That was France's fault.
>>58945615
Whats ouers is ouers and shall never be thers.
>>58945642
Wow wow wow.
Fucking.
Keep.
You fucking hands of the scoots.
They freevand can do the fuck they want.
Argentina can have shitdon. But scootland is and will be always scootland
>>58945642
Beautiful.
>>58942009
Are we allowed to expell them and force them to build wall? They're probably a fifth column and will weaken the effectiveness of the 5-eyes.
>>58945726
>be spain
>be weaker than a leaf
>>58944396
I see, after the whle Royal Brithday and the elecctions you to fill some papers till the Brexit or something new happens, I suppose
>all these anglos triggered because of some little boat
>>58946168
What you expecting. The boat was to close to his master. So the dog did what a dog dose. It attacks.
Spain must put it down before some children get hurt.
>>58944918
On 4chan you are. All Argentinians here are sensible enough to not believe government propaganda. Something I can't say about Brits.
>>58942723
GB
B T FO
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F
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>>58945049
>>58945420
>>58945794
eurocucks aren't allowed to have fun anymore by usa so they have to resort to this
>>58945420
>>58946341
What the hell are you even trying to imply?
>>58944458
>Jersey
>Tax Dodgers
>The Sheikh
>The Pedo
Do you really want that?
>>58942009
The summer is just a britbongo excuse to deploy troops in spanish soil, perfidious as usual.
>>58944817
thats so french of you :^)
gib lothringen elsass back !!!
>>58945794
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Spanish_Armada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Spanish_Armada
>>58946414
he's implying that europe got so boring that sweden was forced to do bbc rape parties
>>58945726
>italy above the UK
wew
>>58946548
>Posting battles of a war you lost
How can anyone be this pathetic?
>>58946548
>brits can only win thanks to weather
>>58946548
>spanish armada
>defeated by bad weather and a navy with a superior number of ships
Well, could be worse, even the spanish admiral had zero experience.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Armada
>literally defeated by women and peasants
you can't make this shit up even if you had the inventive of shakespeare
>>58946414
that euros have been tamed by usa so they can't go to war anymore
>>58945726
I hope that isn't globalfirepower, otherwise you are you retarded.
Anyway, superior stats coming through.
>>58946405
You forget that the end result was your Armada was gone...
>>58946784
We are "allies", war wouldn't benefit any of us.
>>58946880
>United Kingdom - Global Power
>>58946880
I thought France was a global power too?
>>58946895
>mfw eurocucks are so utterly cucked by uncle sam they have to cling to the past
>>58946692
>>58946700
>>58946766
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cape_Passaro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cape_St_Vincent_(1797)
Spain ofc meds4lyfe
>>58947075
Based Greece.
does anyone in the planet even like anglos?
>>58946880
Nice autismstats my friend.
>>58946943
It was by European Geostrategy, an actual thinktank.
Not some meme tier website with a fucking bizarre methodology.
>>58946954
With these studies changes, but France definitely sits on the Global/Regional somewhere.
lets finish the anglo menace once and for all
>Spain
>Lasting more than 5 minutes without being totally annihilated
Pick one
>>58947174
Again, Poland, this was done by a real thinktank.
>>58947176
*these studies it changes
>>58947002
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_9_August_1780
>The Spaniards captured 52 of 55 British vessels, making it one of the most complete naval captures ever made.
>The loss was still bitterly remembered in Great Britain 30 years later, at the height of the Napoleonic Wars.
b-but brisharia rule the waves
And yet we have something britsharias will never have, it's called honor, you should check a dictionary.
>The great kindness of the Spaniards makes our situation scarcely felt, as everything is done by them to alleviate our misfortune; and we have never yet felt that we were prisoners
>>58946978
Shouldn't you be sucking immigrant cock right about.... NOW?
Run along little cuck.
>>58947214
Spain has an extremely well equipped force, don't play down their capabilities.
>>58945270
kek
>>58946895
And it was rebuilt in a year,while England went bankrupt lost its navy and withdrew from the netherlands.
>>58944177
Murder is haram so I think I'm safe
>>58947234
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Trafalgar
>>58947225
Sure thing mr. ****Global power****.
>>58947260
this girl is british
she loves sucking his kebab dick
>>58946954
It is. Uk is meme tir.
Franxe has much bigger strategic assets then uk.
>>58947002
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Santa_Cruz_de_Tenerife_(1797)
>>58947358
Typical swede, abandoning his own hellhole of a country
>>58946317
Who the fuck would believe government propaganda here?
Kek
>>58946978
What are we meant to bants about? That was the last time Spain was really relevant as a country.
I guess we could post Penisular War battles, but those were really against the French.
>>58947358
He insultet you. Sharia law is now in effect in london. Kafir has no right now in his own land. AHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHA
why are uk posters here so obsessed with silly potential enemies theories? is government propaganda to distract them from their real threat?
>>58947358
>Implying I care about some slag
You're forgetting you're the rape capital of Europe Sven..
>>58947476
I love how you imply Britain is relevant and not just a colony of the US.
>>58947341
You are welcome google them, Poland my friend.
European Geostrategy.
>>58947373
>Uk is meme tir.
Opinion discarded.
>>58947476
Britain almost lost in the Falklands against and outdated army, you seem to not realise how weak UK's situation can really is. But dont worry. A war will not be started. The goverment just uses this crap to get money from the UK,like it always does,and you will forget about Gibraltar until the news post some crappy news to create a boogey man
Whichever side is the winning one.
We will even send a dozen thousand troops or so to make our allies happy and only ask an air field or steel refinery in return.
>>58947659
Who are you again? If it wasn't for you being absolute failures in the Falklands and getting media coverage, no one would even know about your country.
>>58947699
>Almost lost
*citation needed*
Spaniards seem right in this, it's their backyard
Britain should stop desperately pretending it's still sort of an empire, it's not
>>58947659
Because the proofs disagree with your thinking.
Find any thinktank and they'll rated the UK always in the top rankings.
>>58947699
>outdated army
That's really not true.
Argentina had a very competent and well equipped force. Argentina had almost every advantage during the Falklands.
I've been to Gibraltar and it's a silly place. Why is it still important for the UK?
The monkeys were great.
>>58947572
It's a lot like here, distracting us with lazaro baez and the kukas and everything.
I'm happy that they are in jail, but don't try to cover the offshore companies and all the judicial causes running on macri like they doesn't exist
>>58947677
I did. The ranking has few criterias and universities give you the same points as military power.
What you linked isn't a military power ranking.
>>58947863
It's in a nice strategic position and has a lovely port and runway.
>>58947863
It used to be an important port for access to Suez. Now, it's literally just used as a tax haven and for Spanish propoganda\butthurt mongering.
>>58947843
>Argentina had a very competent and well equipped force. Argentina had almost every advantage during the Falklands.
Is this what you tell yourself to try and convince us this was a magnificent victory?
>>58947825
You don't seem to understand the issue here.
>>58947825
>Russia
You're opinion is irrelevant.
>>58947918
Not really. Gibraltar is wortless,surrounded by Spanish sea. They conflict could end just not allowing ships to enter Gibraltar as the it is surrounded by international sea,and wait brits to capitulate,or expend millions of dolars in sending crap to a rock,via plains. Eirher way it is an unecesary conflict.
>>58948012
>Spanish propaganda
>Read this thread
You fall for the meme more than we do.
>>58948012
>>58947863
Also the fact that the inhabitants want to stay under British rule, so we will protect and defend them against those that challenge this wish.
>>58948084
some sort of a three hundred year old beef over a colonial overseas territory that is just off another nation's coast
seems pretty clear - if you want good relations and stability, the land should be an extention of the mainland, not a faraway country's forward military base.
>>58948150
>>58948150
By Spanish sea**
>>58947894
Really? Because in the first four paraphrases it explains what exactly this rankings is.
Because it isn't just a military power ranking, its a comprehensive ranking.
>>58948035
Nope.
I base my opinion off what educated people say, one of them being the US navy.
handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA133333
>>58948200
The people that live their do not want to be part of Spain. It's not about "hurr durr le empire".
>>58948200
>Kaliningrad
fucking hypocrite.
>>58947863
The Dutch and Britbongs took it so Spain couldn't fuck up the trade route anymore. It still works to this day. And the Spanish buttblasting butthurt is just a big bonus.
>>58948250
>le anecdotal meme
>>58948150
>britain leaves the EU
>close border with Gibraltar
>stop planes and ships from travleing to Gibraltar on spanish waters/air space
>literally besieging the city without even being at war
>if they attack us they are the aggresors
Perfect plan.
>>58948323
what
Are you thick in the head? This is an objective report by the US navy.
How the hell is that anecdotal?
>>58947891
Eternal kaka butthurt
>>58948283
Those people can fuck off and go back to England.
>>58947891
Yes, kinda glad to know journalism is a world cancer and not just an argentinian one.
>>58948343
Yeah,Brits dont realise how weak there spot is. If they declare war,NATO has to come.
>>58948283
of course it is
it's 21st century, they don't have to be. make it some sort of a joint jurisdiction with brit legal rule and police but with Spanish military control, brit ships only by agreement and invitation, so the island is not a military asset for britain. politicians can figure something out if they wanted.
they don't because "hurr britannia rule the waves" even if they don't realize it themselves
>>58948303
yeah well but Yeltsin tried to sell it and all that
>>58948406
>US navy
>objective and neutral position/interest
you dense retarded.
>>58948311
>>58948150
Gibraltar is pointless m8.
>>58946880
>Australia
>number 8
How the fuck are we so high
>>58948443
But they aren't English.
The people there are of a variety differing backgrounds.
>>58948520
>of course it is
No, it isn't.
>>58947234
>honor
nope can't find that spelling in the English dictionary
If the war happened it'd go as follows
>we btfo argentina
>america makes us release all of our overseas territories
>>58948545
Not much threat from New Zealand.
>>58948525
If you actually read the report before opening your proverbial mouth, it gives credit to Argentinean forces.
>Argentine Air Force and Navy pilots performed extremely effectively, demonstrating a high degree of dedication and courage. The approximately 1,000 Argentine Marines who took part in the conflict showed a considerably higher level of experience and morale than their Army counterparts, who were generally young, inexperienced conscripts with only a few months service and only minimal training.
That's fairly objective, is it not?
>>58948645
I do not give a fuck about our army. And that greentext is literally the definition of a subjective statement. It fucking starts claiming an OPINION for fucks sake. How are "courage" and "dedication" objectively-measurable? you're a huge retarded and should worry about your poor level of eductation. Fuck off.
>>58948859
Are you trying to be obtuse?
Both "dedication and courage" can be measured by their performance against their peers.
You fuck off.
>>58948500
gibraltar is an EU country of it's own mate, will still remain part of the EU even if the UK brexits.
>>58952419
Gibraltar is not a member state.
why are brits always creating Falklands threads? they are truly the butthurt ones
>>58952419
http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-would-destroy-gilbraltar/
The prime minister is crying to the UK to not leave the EU. If Britain leaves the EU Gibraltar would cease to exist anytime Spain wants.
I will go to war in Mainland Yurop
France and Germany and Italy have al failed n their conquest of Europe, Now It's Britannia turn
FOR THE QUEEN!
>>58948150
>>58948543
if it's worthless, then why do you want it?
>>58953608
Sure thing Frodo
>>58953804
I dont want it. I am just telling you,that it would be very easy to take. Polititians just use it as a boogey man,both in the Uk and here.
>>58948520
Gibraltar ISN'T an island
>>58952897
just like how it ceased to exist in the 40+ years you embargoed it up until very recently?
>>58948150
>>58953887
I think the suggestion that you'd be allowed to blockade the Mediterranean is comical.
>>58954439
The embargo didnt go as far as it cpuld. Just look at the sea territory.>>58948150
If the goverment wants Gibraltarians would be eating rats in 2 months. Even the prime minister of Gibraltar is scared as fuck about a possible Brexit
>>58945141
Make the Commonwealth Realm join EU.
>>58954628
Blockade it for Gibraltar. Is Spain's sovereign sea. Basicinternational law m8.
>>58954674
Are you seriously suggesting that you'd be allowed to starve another European population?
>>58954725
Hardly.
You'd be breaking international law by blockading water that isn't yours. The UN supports this.
>1) The 1958 Convention on the Territorial Seas and Contiguous Zone has been applied to Gibraltar. It provides (Article 1) that the Sovereignty of a State extends beyond its land territory to a belt of sea adjacent to its coast. Spain did not enter any reservation to the above, such as would relieve her of the legal effects of this provision. The Treaty of Utrecht is totally irrelevant to the legal effect of the 1958 Convention.
>(2) Accordingly, British Sovereignty of Gibraltar's "land territory" entitles it to Sovereignty of "a sea belt adjacent to its coast." Britain has declared 3 miles.
>(3) The United Nations Law of the Sea Convention of 1982 has been extended to Gibraltar. It provides (Article 3) that every state has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea upto a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles. The 3 miles declared by Britain is thus squarely within the entitlement bestowed by the Convention. Spain has not entered a reservation to the above, and indeed she was precluded from doing so by the terms of the 1982 Convention (Article 309) itself.
>(4) Spain did make statements and declarations but, Article 310 of the 1982 Convention makes it clear that such statements and declarations cannot exclude or modify the legal effect of the provisions of the Convention in their application to Spain.
>(5) Accordingly, by virtue of these Conventions the UK has a treaty right to territorial waters in Gibraltar not exceeding 12 miles. The UK has declared 3 miles. Spain’s statements and declarations have no legal effect in altering this position. Her political assertions to the contrary are thus unsustainable in international law, which is what the Chief Minister said to the Foreign Affairs Committee.
>>58948343
You had the boarder closed for decades and nothing happened
>>58947659
Britain is a valued ally whose interests line up with ours
>>58954674
nah. not really. you would be seen as monsters by the international community. also why do you still hold moroccan territory?
>>58954725
of course it's not though, since Gib also has it's own territorial waters even if you pretend they don't.
We can take care of Argentina for you, Anglo friend
>>58942009
It's not likely to happen.
I'm sorry.
>>58954977
Utrerch didnt give Britain soverignty over the water. Stop making shit up. You would be breaking the very treaty that you claim to defend.
>>58955217
rude.
it was a legal sinking but a lot of argentian and british people died over those stupid islands.
>>58955062
Ceuta and Melilla are accepted by the UN as Spanish clay. Gibraltar is considered a colony by the UN so your point is stupid.
>>58955217
Here's a better one for you.
>>58955383
of course, what the UN thinks is completely irreverent since we are a permanent security council member.
>>58955322
Is this a joke?
It literally says right there that the UN supports Gibraltar claim to sea access.
>The United Nations Law of the Sea Convention of 1982 has been extended to Gibraltar. It provides (Article 3) that every state has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea upto a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles.
Your land grab / blockade has no legal grounds.
>>58955062
>also why do you still hold moroccan territory
It's never been Moroccan territory.
>>58955505
And the UN also supports the decolonization of Gibraltar. Utrech says that Britain cannot claim sea property. So under the UN you have to leave Gibraltar,and Under Utrech Gibraltar cant have sea access.
>>58955591
Not for 500 years at least. Nothing stopping them from pulling the same ain't they did in the 70s though
>>58955660
In English, please.
>>58955623
The Gibraltans want to remain British and have a right to self-determination.
go on Sbain, but you won't be borrowing our ships this time
>>58942009
democracy and the right to self determination of course, go Spain!
>>58955623
Irreverent. See >>58955480
>>58955660
And Gibraltar has been British for the past 300 years.
>Gibraltarians have historically been proud of their British heritage, and unlike the inhabitants of other territories, sought to strengthen, rather than loosen their ties with the UK and the British Crown, seeing themselves as "more British than the British".[2] This sense of being British was particularly strong when the frontier with Spain was closed in 1969, and all communications links were severed. Until 16 December 2006, the only flights from Gibraltar Airport, were those to the UK. To some in Britain itself, this sense of "pantomime Britishness" is often looked upon with a mixture of incomprehension and ridicule.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Gibraltar
The Gibraltans want the right to self-determination, they don't want to be part of Britain, as they actually aren't. They just want our military to defend them.
Fucking bastards.
>>58955623
Utrech is irrelevant in recognition for international law. You have no grounds to remove the self-determination of a population.
The UN support for decolonisation clears stops in practice when they recognise that Gibraltar is a self-governing territory by giving it rights to sea access.
>>58942009
America
>>58955768
The UN says that national unity is more important than self determination. So Spanish claim to Gibraltar trumps its right of self determination.
>>58955901
>british colony =/= british
>>58955979
Not an argument.
>>58956007
>The UN says that national unity is more important than self determination. So Spanish claim to Gibraltar trumps its right of self determination.
One of the most dumbest things I've read on /int/
None.
We'd probably stay neutral while selling ammo for the Spaniards since their ammo comes from CBC and sell it rockets and other stuff for the other involved. Same shit as we did in the Falklands war... make some money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewRjZoRtu0Y
>>58942009
I don't care about the fucking Falklands or Argentina. I have nothing to do with those people.
But can't brits and spaniards be friends? This is fucking ridiculous. Europe is dying and we are bullying each other on irrelevant things.
Yesterday I opened a thread about this and the only reply it got was from a troll turkroach.
Your passivity towards the foreign menace is disturbing.
>>58956007
That's colonialism, lad.
go spics
>>58955990
Nope you are wrong again. The UN recognizes national distortion as something more important than self determination.
Fucking anglos, and their perfidiousness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6ChUjIF6j8
>>58956075
True.
>>58956052
It is what the UN says.
>>58956045
define colony.
>>58956007
lol no, quiet madrid scum. free navarra and catalonia when.
SPAIN WILL FEEL THE PAIN
>>58956007
I would agree with you, but how do you resolve this? Those people don't want to be part of Spain, they want to be independent. You cannot evict them, or force them to part of Andalusia, or its own autonomous community. So what's the solution?
I stand with britain
>>58956079
What Gibraltar?
Gibraltar is the only mainland European location with an average low above 10ºC in the coldest month.
t.weather geek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Gibraltar
the side of democracy and self determinaton
so Spain obviously
unlimited support of gulyás and paprika coming your way
>>58956049
>Gibraltarians have historically been proud of their British heritage, and unlike the inhabitants of other territories, sought to strengthen, rather than loosen their ties with the UK and the British Crown, seeing themselves as "more British than the British".[2] This sense of being British was particularly strong when the frontier with Spain was closed in 1969, and all communications links were severed. Until 16 December 2006, the only flights from Gibraltar Airport, were those to the UK. To some in Britain itself, this sense of "pantomime Britishness" is often looked upon with a mixture of incomprehension and ridicule.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Gibraltar
>>58956085
You cannot, do not or certain will not have the legal backing to subjugate other European citizens. You are utterly delusional.
>>58956132
During the 60s, until The United Nations Law of the Sea Convention of 1982, by giving it sea access rights, it recognises that it is a state.
You will never be given the legal okay to invade another European state.
>GAYn
>>58956166
I dont care about Gibraltar,I am saying that Spain's claim is strong,and it would be easy to take. It really doesnt affect me the slightest.
>>58956268
>it would be easy to take.
do you have a single bit of proofs for this statement
>>58956245
Not an argument.
Reliable sources of the best yellow press.
>>58956268
Easy in that you could deploy Spanish troops there and take control in a matter of hours. What do you think would happen then?
>>58944177
>I'd fight for the Spanish just so I could put a bullet through your skull
>>58956326
>>58956399
No need to take it. Just blockade would be enough. Gibraltar would collapse,unless Britain sends disproportionate amounts of help. And If a goverment wanted,they could just cut al Gibraltar's sea trade. And taking Gibraltar would be piss easy militarilly. This isnt the XVIII century.
>>58956399
We're assuming that Spain would even be capable of preparing an invasion without raising red flags to everyone other around her.
>>58956399
> Taking Gibraltar with infantry
Nobody can be so retarded, so we´ll choose that way for sure.
Isn't Gibraltar just a poor man's Torremolinos?
>>58956575
No need to attack first. Close borders,cut trade,and the UN woukd have to send humanitarian aid to Gibraltar
>>58956536
>blockade it
And how do you think that will be accepted?
>>58956536
>Britain sends disproportionate amounts of help
It wouldn't be just Britain, you've just attack another European nation, everyone will be against you for breaking international law and for weakening NATO's posture.
>And taking Gibraltar would be piss easy militarilly
[citation needed]
>>58956668
And what would you do to that humanitarian aid? Sink the ships? Those ships carrying humanitarian aid would belong to other nations, now how do you think they'd feel if you started attacking their ships?
>>58956181
Also gets weird clouds and has a microclimate or something.
WE WON'T HELP THE BRITISH ANYMORE!!!!
Fuck you brits! No "alliance" stuff no more!
If you want to go to war against Spain go but don't get us involved.
God damit
>>58956806
desu historically mostly Portugal dragged Britain in wars with portugal getting invaded etc
>>58956696
Why not? Britain would not be in the EU,and a country can choose how to treat another one. Just putting tariffs at 100%,cuttimg the border,and not allowing ships to enter Gibraltar would be enough
>>58956738
No need to sink them. The people of Gibraltar are not used to have rationalized food and prices 400% higher than the other side of a fence. They will just give up or live in misery.
>>58957022
So if shipping is getting into Gibraltar, what is this "blockade" doing?
Spain has the equivalent of 10 gibraltars in the northern coast of morocco, you can't have ita ll faggots.
>>58957094
International aid ships. Commercial ships wouldnt be allowed to come in. Pretty different
>>58957104
Not the same Alberto. Those territories are recognized as Spanish. Gibraltar is a colony.
>>58956966
Britain might not be in the EU, we are still part of NATO.
You pursue an aggressive policy against a territory that is defended by the UK and you'll lose.
>>58956773
also it has the only european monkeys
>blockades
There's a very good reason why Spain won't do this.
>>58957125
And how would you even enforce that policy? Because you'd certainly not be shooting at Royal Navy ships escorting shipping.
Do you actually think that you would be allowed to blockade commercial shipping? Especially when the US guarantees the safety of all commercial shipping.
>>58957104
I would trade Ceuta and Melilla for Gibraltar.
The most common name in those cities is Mohammed, just saying. They are a burden.
>>58957348
plus all your mediterranean coast will turn british and german in a couple of years. What went wrong?
>>58957182
If Britain declares war NATO has to join Spain. An embargo and economic sanctions are just part of economic policies. The US has tariffs on EU peoducts and NATO hasnt dissolved.
>>58957323
The water is under Spanish soveraignity if the UK breaks it,it is an open declaration of war,and NATO would have to join Spain.
>>58957310
Lol yoir toy mavy cant blockade for shit. And if Britain tries that it would be blockading the EU. Not a very smart move
>>58957478
>If Britain declares war NATO has to join Spain.
Is this a joke?
You are the one, who is making a declaration of war by using military force to blockade a sovereign territory with the end goal of its capture.
>>58957544
No it isn't, see >>58954977 that 3 mile claim belongs to Gibraltar.
Sbane
>>58955696
Morocco sent civilians into Spanish territory though mine fields with their Army behind them to take the rio de oro or as it is known today as western Sahara
>>58957607
Why are you the one saying we're blockading? We're not the ones subjugating a population here.
>>58957650
If we deploy ships in our territory is not a declaration of war. How can you be this dumb?
>>58957771
I thought that you meant that the UK would blockade Spain back,which is dumb.
>>58957806
If you deploy warships into another country's territory and blockade its waters, how is that not a declaration of war?
>>58957881
Nope. Commercial ships would have to pass Spanish water first.
>>58957478
Who mentioned anything about declaring war?
>>58957959
No they wouldn't.
Again, UN declared that Gibraltar has the right to sea access.
See the pic in >>58954977
>>58957544
>>58957650
You girls need to reel your necks in, no one declares war anymore it just isn't the done thing. Doing so opens you up to all sorts of penalties, so no one does it except against people or objects not represented in the UN, Drugs and Terrorism being popular. Spain and the UK will not go to war, better than that neither of you will have anything to do with any decision made anyway so whatever you say is an irrelevant clashing of feminine penis, not a discussion or argument that could have a winner,
>>58942009
>mfw it's all a ruse to convince the rapefugees to stay in France
>>58958056
Lad, I'm not the one who's making the talk of war here.
This retard is the only one who seems to think that this "blockade" would be legal.
>>58958032
What? That pic is wrong. As Uk soverignity is related to the treaty of Utrech which doesnt allow Britain to have sovereignity over the sea. And the UN declared Gibraltar a colony so that meme map doesnt matter,as it has to be decolonalized sooner or later.
>>58958195
Are you stuck on a loop?
I've already addressed everything you've said in >>58955990
>(5) Accordingly, by virtue of these Conventions the UK has a treaty right to territorial waters in Gibraltar not exceeding 12 miles. The UK has declared 3 miles. Spain’s statements and declarations have no legal effect in altering this position. Her political assertions to the contrary are thus unsustainable in international law, which is what the Chief Minister said to the Foreign Affairs Committee.
Whatever may be wrong with the pic, the UN still states that Gibraltar is entitled to 12 miles of sea access.
>>58958319
And the UN also says that Gibraltar is a colony and it has to be given back to Spain. If we follow Utrecht Gibraltar has no sea. If we follow the UN, Gibraltar has to be given back inmediatly. Choose your poison
Spain doesn't have a chance... War requires money, and Spain doesn't have any.
>>58958436
No it doesn't.
The UN support for decolonisation clears stops in practice when they recognise that Gibraltar is a self-governing territory by giving it rights to sea access. Gibraltar is recognised as a state.
I hope they slaughter shitloads of anglo whores.
make these anglo pirates pay, Pedro
>>58958532
But then it cant be part of the UK,so they would not be part of NATO
>>58958617
Well, clearly they are.
Otherwise the UN's position would differ.
>>58958613
If you guys hate England so much, why are there so many of your people there? Are you just made that you keep getting cucked by the Angelo master race
>>58958703
They are part of the UK,that is why they are still considered a colony by the EU. They are not recognized as a goverment. If they declare independence they would leave NATO,else the UK would have to GTFO. You cant win this argument.
>>58958757
>my people
they're just romanians,ruskis,mongols,ukrainians heading east to get their piece of the pie.
I dont care if these anglo shits get flooded by their kind, they'll experience what we have had to put up with since before WW2.
:^)
>>58958892
eeerm, I mean west duuurrrrrrmmmm
>>58958809
>that is why they are still considered a colony by the EU. They are not recognized as a goverment.
They are recognised as a state, otherwise they would not be covered by "1958 Convention on the Territorial Seas and Contiguous Zone".
>It provides (Article 1) that the Sovereignty of a State extends beyond its land territory to a belt of sea adjacent to its coast. Spain did not enter any reservation to the above, such as would relieve her of the legal effects of this provision. The Treaty of Utrecht is totally irrelevant to the legal effect of the 1958 Convention.
>(3) The United Nations Law of the Sea Convention of 1982 has been extended to Gibraltar. It provides (Article 3) that every state has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea upto a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles. The 3 miles declared by Britain is thus squarely within the entitlement bestowed by the Convention. Spain has not entered a reservation to the above, and indeed she was precluded from doing so by the terms of the 1982 Convention (Article 309) itself.
>(Article 3) that every state has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea upto a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles.
>that every state has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea
>that every state
UN disagrees.
>>58959020
*UN disagrees with you
>>58958809
Actually it's not part of the UK (in the way your north african colonies are part of Spain) because we have not 'integrated' them. This is an interesting read:
www.newstatesman.com/gibraltar/newstatesman-gibraltar/2014/06/decolonising-gibraltar-case-fourth-option
TL:DR Spain are faggots
>>58959020
http://www.gibnet.com/library/un2231.htm
Gibraltar is considered a colony m8
>>58958892
No, I'm certain they are your people from your country. I know it hurts to see your women taken from you, I'd probably be pissed at the Brits as well if I were in your place.
>>58959355
>my country
was actually sold out by these by YOUR "country"
so enjoy our pain.
THE HELL WITH YOU ALL, HYPOCRITE FAGGOTS
now please, dont reply to me or my wife's son again
>>58959271
Already addressed this in both
>>58958532
>>58958319
The UN support for decolonisation clears stops in practice when they recognise that Gibraltar is a self-governing territory by giving it rights to sea access. Gibraltar is recognised as a state.
What you are referring to is something that exist before Gibraltar became recognised as a state.
>>58959271
>>58959074
how about we give it back to the Arabs since it's named after some Arab dude, and they controlled it for 700+ years
>>58959466
excellent idea. penal colony for forced removal of ""British"" troublemakers when
>>58959466
I know that that turns you off Muhamed
>>58959538
Say that in English now.
either way kick some anglo ass, Spain
these white devil fuckers deserve no less, nothing more
>>58942216
>start to say sorry.
Canada detected.
