Did your country fall for the nuclear energy is too dangerous meme ?
no
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paks_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Expansion
>>58851167
>letting nuclear power in the hands of spaniards
I can't think of anything more dangerous.
yes
we are complaining about nuclear reactors being too close to our country
it's so weird how literal unlimited energy is just cast aside for meme energy like solar or wind farms
>>58851167
Yes, it fucks me off so much as well because they're more than happy to take nuclear waste to dump. They are the fucking biggest cucks
>>58851553
Should be useful in the border of Melilla imo
>>58851167
Never, our reactors or tip top tier and it's not like there's a lot of earthquackes or anything here.
We're safe.
>>58851600
>it's so weird how literal unlimited energy is just cast aside for meme energy like solar or wind farms
because people are retarded
>>58851167
Belgian Nuclear Power Plants are dangerous so yes.
>>58851167
Nope. We are building new ones.
It is dangerous doe and very
Just the balance versus need
We need them to keep potential ability to make nukes tho, commies and masses are noisy
>>58851900
You forgot your Japanese proxy y*nk.
>>58851975
t. three mile island
>>58851752
You also built centrals very close to belgium desu
We didn't just fall for it we jumped in head first.
>>58852072
>that Chooz
Nice penetration, France
>>58851975
**it pls,
you forgot your human nature
>>58852072
Yeah, but our power plants don't shut down for security reasons and damage every week.
>>58852026
Literally noone was irradiated as a result of three mile island. It was a non-event in every way but media coverage.
>>58852158
Truly our most trusted and greatest ally.
>>58854228
Belgium is actually a french region innit
>>58851167
Nop
We even plant our reactors in Albion island
>>58851668
lmao, yeah, that would be hilarious
Yes.
>>58851167
Let me play devil's advocate just for a nano-second. Nuclear energy sounds really great, don't get me wrong, but aren't we just a little concerned that it produces lots and lots of radioactive waste we have to put somewhere? Radioactive waste that causes cancer and generally damages biological life, and takes a thousand years to become non-radioactive. Where do we put it all?
Also, you need, very, very, very secure facilities. One fuck up, and an entire region can suffer a nuclear explosion that will scar the area and deem it unfit for habitation for centuries. Immediately you count out have reactors in populous areas, any area prone to natural disasters, near any water supplies. You still need to get the energy to populous areas and have workers at your plant.
There's a reason why we're so aprhensive about nuclear energy. Even if 95% of these plants are good, only one has to go off and you could damage water supplies, agricultural areas, entire regions could become un-inhabitable, and you have toxic waste that gives people cancer to toss somewhere (maybe outer space?). It would be perfect if not for all the potential catastrophes.
>>58851167
Where are you storing your waste?
Also, learning about nuclear hazards is pretty interesting. Attacking a reactor with explosives, releasing plutonium into the air, very quick and simple ways to instantly kill tens of millions of people.
Yes, but it's a 3rd world country so it's fine as it is
nah it's fine
>>58854507
I didn't even think about terrorism. One successful ballsy attack on a reactor, and boom, millions dead.
>>58854410
Do you know what we do right now with the large amounts of nuclear waste we already have? We store them in barrels in the basements and parking lots of various facilities, the stuff we don't recycle - because we can recycle a lot of it, and next gen reactors can recycle almost all of it.
Nope, and luckily Sanders got put in his place.
>>58854410
>radioactive waste we have to put somewhere?
Approximately by 5-6th generation reactors 100% of waste will be fuel again, and will be run over and over until nothing remains.
Russia will test first 4th gen reactor by 2030 if money allows.
>Even if 95% of these plants are good, only one has to go off
Yeah, and you need electricity every day. Solar takes many rare earth metals, wind ruins soil fertility and cattle, only hydroelectricity is renewable and cheap and it's not enough.
Not at all
>>58854410
What's the name of this fallacy?
>>58854507
There's a lot of safety measures in place though, you'd need to know a fuckton about it to properly blow it up.
>>58851905
You don't need a reactor to make nukes.
>>58854648
You know that Obama and Clinton oppose nuclear energy, right?
It's the reason no nuclear reactors were made under Obama.
>>58854683
Being Canadian
>>58854715
You need reactors to explain to IAEA why you need these enrichment centrifuges which conveniently can be used to quickly make nukes.
>>58854677
>Approximately by 5-6th generation reactors 100% of waste will be fuel again
Nice meme
>>58854814
Neither NK nor Pakistan needed a reactor.
You need enrichment facilities. Nothing more.
>>58854507
There's no point in killing civilians though, it's not 1941.
Explosives won't do shit to nuclear reactors, you have to sabotage them and work past dozens of failsafes and preemptive measures.
>>58854821
https://www.oecd-nea.org/pt/docs/iem/madrid00/booklet/Over_Wydler.pdf
>>58851167
we are already dead by the Fukushima
>>58854624
>>58854677
I haven't heard about these next-gen reactors. If all the waste can be recycled, that makes nuclear reactors vastly more feasible.
The question of security is still there, but with effectively 0 radioactive waste (since its reused) it gives me hope that nuclear energy will be a completely viable form of energy in the not so distant future. What a future it will be.
>>58854683
There isn't one.
>>58854711
At the same time there are tons of poorly guarded russian plants right next to Europe. Back in the crazy days of USSR's dissolution, plant workers carried out plutonium in suitcases to later sell it in the black market.
58854677
>Yeah, and you need electricity every day
Why not... reduce consumption? The majority of electricity is used up by the industry, and as we all know consumer goods are generally short-term trash that nobody needs.
>>58854952
I'm sure there is a name for being more afraid of one big accident than thousands of small accidents.
>>58854910
>booklet
No
Even France which reprocesses most of it produces Grade B and C waste.
>>58851167
Sort of
We have two in the same small city
>>58851905
if you loved nukes, go to best korea.
>>58855053
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BN-1200_reactor
I have hope. Nuclear energy is the only renewable one with near infinite potential, everything else is a bad meme, especially solar panels which take so much rare earth metals they actually make more pollution in the process.
>>58851167
>USA
>No
>>58854996
If Japan didn't respond so well to Fukushima Daichi, the country and the Pacific Ocean would be irradiated.
>>58855246
I hate the meme that it is evil and awful as well.
But I also dislike memes being used to defend it.
>>58855246
I hate the meme that it is evil and awful as well.
But I also dislike memes being used to defend it.
For a country like China, America, or France... Nuclear power is a godsend.
For Japan or California it is fucking retarded.
>>58855403
Nuclear power is a evil
Fukushima should make a nukacola and ship to fat american
this is true friendship
>>58855403
For Japan it's a pretty good idea, they don't really have that many natural resources.
Yes, especially my region
>>58855629
No.No.No.Nuclear power is a shit idea.
>>58855785
A freak accident happened and nothing came of it, it's a great idea.
>>58855822
blight and death came of it
>>58852026
That released less radiation than an x-ray from the doctor, it was all hype over nothing. The safety mechanisms worked exactly like they were supposed to.
>>58855785
Having nuclear power plants in places where it may occur natural disasters such as tsunamis and earthquakes is a shitty ideia.
>>58854507
It would be pretty hard to just blow up a reactor, those things can survive a jet liner impact. And if you have terrorists with enough explosives to destroy one, you probably have bigger problems.
>>58855995
That's irrelevant though, almost all good things come at the cost of death.
>>58856086
>places where it may occur natural disasters such as tsunamis and earthquakes
So, the entire Japan?
>>58854410
>>58854507
Complete idiots
>>58851167
No, the Austrians have so we can't build a new one, fuck you Austria.
>>58855629
It's not a good idea when your country is in the Ring of Fire and prone to earthquakes and tsunamis.
>>58856125
>And if you have terrorists with enough explosives to destroy one, you probably have bigger problems.
I agree, arab terrorists will successfully blow up a french reactor within ten years, wiping out not only France but probably Benelux and half of Germany as well.
>>58851167
who cares we don't even need it lol
>>58856252
They had defenses for up to 2m high tsunamis, they got hit by a 14m one.
>>58856336
>2m tsunami
top kek
>>58856154
Exactly.
I always wonder, why don't they have solar thermal collectors? Isn't their country called sunrise land?
>>58855629
this.
of course, im afraid the nuclear power. but i cant say stop it now.
if stopped there energy, we
cant make anything. fall down to poor country imo.
>>58856422
>I always wonder, why don't they have solar thermal collectors? Isn't their country called sunrise land?
it's called the land where the sun rises and not thermal collector land
>>58856447
Nuclear is good because you become less dependent on your neighbours but more dependent on the uranium cartel (USA)
>>58856506
It implies they have a lot of sunlight there tho. Anyways, it was just a joke.
Nope
We're having the French build a Chinese funded reactor that will power a couple of hundred thousand homes.
Saying that, the leader of the largest opposition party is against nuclear power and weapons and everything fun.
>tons of empty space
>tons of Uranium
>extremely removed from tectonic boundaries
>only one test reactor
I blame the coal companies
>>58856588
>It implies they have a lot of sunlight there tho
Not relly it just implies that they're really east, on the other hand you guys could build them in cali
No, but fell for oil-gas lobby.
>>58856671
You'll build more once the farmers use up the last of the groundwater and Australia is forced to invest in large scale desalination.
>>58851167
Yes, but since spaniards built nuclear reactors on the border and we are in the fallout zone, our military has a contingency plan to invade and take the border areas in retaliation.
I personally don't like the fact that spaniards of all people have nuclear reactors near our country, but I wouldn't trust us either.
>I personally don't like the fact that spaniards of all people have nuclear reactors near our country, but I wouldn't trust us either.
As opposed to the other country you have land borders with?
Why support a finite technology? Renewable energy is completely clean, will never meltdown, and will never run out.
>>58857710
renewable energy varies, nuclear doesn't
>>58857710
You realise we have millions of years of nuclear fuel right? And soon we'll have the tech to use the waste as fuel.
>>58857710
Hydroelectic plants fuck up environment much more and have a much higher impact in case of a catastrophe.
Wind/Solar power are too dependent on location and not available for half the world. You should know that.
>>58857710
Literally everything we make is finite
>>58858094
Memes last forever.
>Only 1 test reactor
>They literally built it directly on top of a fault line.
We are fine with gas. We are even selling gas to Argentina using the gas lines we built in the 90s to buy gas from them
>>58851167
Brazil bought one reactor from USA and two from Germany just to show that Brazil is hi-tech. But the third tower has been under construction for almost 35 years.
Nope
Hopefully we will get some SRI reactors as standard ones are pointless
>>58857710
even uranium is practically infinite.
it's said that some 4.5 billion tons of uranium is available in seawater (the total land deposit is tens of millions at best) while consumption is some 70,000 tons a year in the world. in addition, uranium in seawater is considered to be resupplied from seafloor bedrocks, which contain 1000x larger deposits. effective extraction methods are being developed in japan and the cost is getting cheaper year by year. as of 2013, seawater derived uranium is $150-250/kg while conventional one is $60-120.
>>58851167
Alas, no. Now we have to pay for a French piece of shit, that is over budget and late.
No. Mostly because it pisses off the Austrians.
>>58855629
Fukushima Daichi was one irradiated robot from fucking up the entire Northeast coast of Japan for a century.
Yeah, we even had one of the most powerful reactors available back then, then Chernobyl happened close to a referendum on nuclear energy and shitalians voted for abolition.
Again few years ago we had another referendum which again happened close to Fukushima, so we said no again.
Now we're utterly dependent on fossil fuels and France selling us their spare power.
>>58856336
Yeah? You seem to forget that the earthquake fucked it up so much the tsunami was able to flood in as well and cause the full meltdown.
>>58856697
>country is filled with oil and nuclear reactors
>"hurdur we fell for the oil lobby"
>>58857710
>Renewable energy is completely clean, will never meltdown
I'm anti-nuclear and this is bullshit bait
>>58859834
The safety measures kicked in and stopped it from being a full on disaster though.
>>58851167
yes sadly. fuck gommies fuck kamalists fuck greenpeace.
>>58859529
Or you just ask NK for a hand?
>>58851167
No :^)
>>58859778
When a French reactor gets JIHAD'D you'll be thankful you guys were retarded liberals.
>>58851167
Yes, sadly.
>>58859971
Nigger, it was a full disaster. The only reason thousands of nips aren't dead from irradiation is because by that point everyone was either evacuated or in the ocean.
What defense meaures? Thing barely had a defense core, let alone backup generators.
>>58860212
I'd say lets build a hundred poorly made reactors in SoCal.
I can't think of a better thing than dead Califags.
>>58855321
>The ocean would be irradiated
Water cant become radioactive you nigger
>>58860212
Within two minutes of the earthquake the plant was shutdown and the water cooling worked perfectly, the evacuation was just a precaution.
No, but it fell for the "nuclear energy is cheap and plants are completed on time" meme
>>58851600
>we are complaining about nuclear reactors being too close to our country
Rightfully so to be honest... Belgium literally put their reactors as close to our borders and as far away from their own inhabited regions as possible, and then proceeded to let them go to shit, disintergrating to the point of literal cracks forming in them.. Never ever ever trust a Belgian to do anything right. Ever.
>tfw dealing with Flemings at work
The only thing worse is dealing with the Walloons, who will demand all correspondence to them be in French, but refuse to do us the courtesty of corresponding to us in Dutch or English.
>>58860390
Now you're going full retard.
>>58860431
>Within two minutes of the earthquake the plant was shutdown and the water cooling worked perfectly, the evacuation was just a precaution.
There was massive damage from the earthquake which enabled the Tsunami to inflict a reactor meltdown.
Fuck off.
>>58851167
>terrorists everywhere
>nuclear reactors are safe
hmm
>>58860662
Its true
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/101433/why-doesnt-a-nuclear-fuel-pool-become-irradiated
>>58851167
Look at all that smoke coming from the plant. How the fuck is that not dangerous and harmful to the environment?
>>58851167
Yes, somewhat.
We have five plants in construction right now (finally) but we haven't built a plant since 1973 and they didn't even let them turn it on until 1990.
>>58862052
Isn't that just steam?
>>58862262
PS
Breeder reactors are a pipe dream on the level of fusion.
>>58862052
Throw the Finn down the bin so my country can be free!
>>58851167
yeah, we have only one iron fabric and only that small area is known for a lot of cases where animals are born with two heads, 4 legs, 4 eyes etc
and it's only iron which is not even radioactive
>>58860966
Are you absolutely retarded?
>>58862262
Five is really really meaningless
Why does 4chan love nuclear power so much?
>>58863128
Great contribution to the thread
Yes but based-sultan doesnt fall for this meme and he keeps building them.
>>58851167
No, but the frenchies are shit builders. We'd have two russian nuclear plants by now instead of building one fucking plant for over 12 years.
>>58863496
It's mostly French posters and autists who think of themselves as physicists after watching pop science vids on youtube.
>>58851167
Yes. And people still believe it...
>>58863692
Or maybe there are some people with actual knowledge about the subject unlike you
I think we just decommissioned it. The debt lingers.
What about the Thorium meme? Weren't the poos building one?
>>58863537
I'm simply saying that there was and is no "nuclear renaissance" in America.
It was a term often used 2000-2010.
>>58854624
>>58854952
>>58854410
Next-gen reactors (ie. thorium basred reactors) can not onyl recycle old waste, it can use old waste as fuel. furthermore they do not output waste themselves, because the fuel recycles itself. Also the newer design are probably the most safe in every way, that we will ever reach.
>>58863793
But it is dangerous.
Also, currently unprofitable but that's mostly because of green fags raising standards.
>>58864015
And yet no one has built one that can do that, yet.
>>58863939
>>58864150
I have a degree in mechanical engineering with loads of courses on electricity, power generation and distribution, and some basics about thermal reactors.
What about you senpai?
>>58864364
He has a fedora folder, checkmate.
>>58864122
Because no-one want to fund the construction of one. The design is already here and have already been published. Petrodollar, remember?
>>58864073
Next-gen reactors are not. The are simply unable to melt down and hence do not create a giant radioactive cloud like in Chernobyl. Even if things were to go wrong (which is already highly unlikely) the radioactive material would simply "fall" into a kind of pot made of ceramics that can withstand such high temperatures as a nuclear reactor operates at. The only way you could ever have something disperse into the surroundigs would be if a terrorist managed to get INSIDE or UNDERNEATH the reactor (which is surrounded by 8 m of water, inside a heavily guarded nnuclear blast proof building) and plant a bomb. Even then the readioactive material would only spread as far as the shockwave goes. So no more than maybe a few hundred meters.
>>58864364
hey I'm curious about sth
if that's just steam coming out of the reactor why don't they use its energy but let it in the open
the water is in contact with the uranium sticks as far as I know
>>58859760
Yes, the amount of radiation received was 0.08 millisieverts, which is about equal to an average chest x-ray.
>>58864486
The water near the 'sticks' is the moderator to regulate the neutron fluxes and shit, while a second closed loop goes through the reactor to generate steam for the turbines.
Is it that what you asked?
>>58854992
>poorly guarded russian plants
You can try to get near any these "poorly guarded" plants, Pekka. Good luck with it.
>>58864364
>I have a degree in mechanical engineering
No. You work at mcdonalds.
>>58864689
He's asking why they don't run a miniature steam train line at the top of the plant to make use of the steam.
>>58862052
>>58864891
Then bow down to your king y*nk.
>>58864688
Yes, but you have not taken into account that it was 0.08 millisieverts over a longer period of time and not in 2 minutes or whatever amount of period a cheast x-ray lasts. Hence more radiation is absorbed than if you go to a doctor's office and get an x-ray of your chest.
>>58864913
Because that's water vapor like the clouds and not steam at 100°
>>58865100
Even if that's true, that is still not a significant amount. The normal background radiation is only 1 millisieverts
It is tho.
>>58864486
Why are you asking that idiot? He doesn't work in a power plant. He obviously doesn't know shit.
>>58851167
sadly yes
fucking retards, they don't know shit about nuclear power, keep using brown coal power plants and they don't even know their """"""green""""" """alternatives""" are more dangerous and polluting per kwh
>>58851167
No we didnt. Because it doesnt even matter as long as we have old soviet nuclear plants running right near our borders.
examples Ukraine, Armenia etc
>>58851167
Nope. We fell for the French engineering meme
>According to Financial Times in December 2014 construction of unit 3 has descended into farce as it is currently expected to open nine years late and several billions of euros over budget.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olkiluoto_Nuclear_Power_Plant
I hate Areva and the French so much due to this.
>>58865743
There's nothing complicated about a cool tower my uneducated friend
>>58866066
>hamon
Wait a minute, nuclear reactors use the ripple
When are we getting stand based plants?
>>58866066
>hamon
so nuclear is magic after all
>>58856605
>having our eternal enemy build a nuclear reactor
>having communists fund it
what could possibly go wrong?
>>58866066
You don't know what you're talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>>58866160
>>58866161
ffs it's just used to cool down the water from your steam cycle, a cool tower is not unique to a nuclear plant whatsoever
>>58865954
Isn't that plant like top 10 most expensive structures in human history at this point?
Well, cheap electricity for a while longer in Scandinavia is nice.
>>58851600
Worst part is in many parts of Europe solar has no positive net energy return since solar panels take a lot of energy to produce and the lack of sunlight for much of the year means the panel won't recoup the energy needed to build it
If you're using Chinese panels it is basically a way to ship the emissions elsewhere so you can feel good about yourself
>>58866369
Why can't Belgians tell when someone is joking?
N-no of course not...
We'd never do something stupid like building a nuclear powerplant and then voting to not use it...haha ha
>>58866458
autism
t. autism pro
>>58866491
feels bad man
>>58851600
We aren't complaining about nuclear reactors in general, we're complaining about Belgian nucleair reactors. Lelgium in charge of nukes is a recipe for disaster.
>>58866552
It's okay, you can't help being born Belgian.
>>58865125
well this is what I asked
>>58865743
it's normal that someone who has studied mechanical engineering knows about physics and how nuclear powerplants works
I'm sure most of us were taught since in high school about how those work
the only classes I didn't skip lel
>>58865954
And then it blows up on the first day. Top kek
>>58865834
you can get electricity from river strenght, totally clean source and cheap. Nuclear shit is not necessary
>>58867082
The capacity is not high enough
Well, we have a few nuclear reactor. It's pretty cool to have nuclear energy and i really can't understand why some people say that it is dangerous.
>>58867189
it iss I'm from Peru and near 100% of our energy comes from dams there, we even have overcapacity that we sell to brazil and chile
>>58854410
What bothers me is that you didn't do any research and only have an idea of what a reactor is. Go check out a pebble bed reactor and tell me how it melts down.
My problem with most people is that they argue with their passion and feelings, and not research and logic. Fuck.
>>58854410
>Where do we put it all?
Moon?
jk
>>58867522
>>58867082
Why not have both?
Nuclear power plus hydropower ftw.
>>58867522
If your country is full if rivers that have a large relative height differential and aren't commercially relevant, then yes. If your country is one of the other 99% of the countries in the world, then no.
>>58867409
I don't know maybe the fact a Japanese city and a Ukranian city have been uninhabited for many years now.
>>58866477
I live in Avila Beach CA and we've got a nuclear plant here, Diablo Canyon
>>58867862
difficult situation then , I heard some sandniggers tried to blow up a nuclear reactor in belgium, what do then??? solar and wind energy would be enough for NL??
>>58867925
We are talking about nuclear fuel, obviously has risks but if we do it right we should have a giant source of energy without risks.
It is not a good idea to put a nuclear power plant on an island that daily receives earthquakes or seisms.
About Chernobyl, we are in the 21st century. The nuclear power plant security methods have been improved i suppose.
>>58868301
Solar takes a lot of energy to produce in the first place and, due to minerals needed, is not always that clean
Unless the Netherlands is a lot sunnier than I'm thinking it is you probably won't recoup the initial energy input for the panels
>>58868526
Then again I heard just day light makes solar panels works , I think it does not matter if it's really sunny. But if it really needs large amounts of sunlight then the north of europe is fuckep for at least 8 months a year.
O hi fellas wats goin on in this thread
I don't even know tbph. We're spoiled with hydro power anyway.
>>58851167
too soon
>>58868938
*le calls le america*
enjoy ur invasion :^')
>>58869478
*waits till autumn*
where's ur leaf now kid >:^)
teehee~
>>58851600
;-)
Hinckley Point C
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_C_nuclear_power_station
Cost:£18-24B
Power Generation:~7%
French and Chinese cucking:100%
>>58870474
Better than solar
>>58874506
>Because Britain has no sun.
>>58875848
Who are you quoting?
>>58869709
>>58875848
>>58870474
>>58866477
Must be nice having money to waste.
>>58851822
this
![first-russian-electric-car-01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/p0dPhiF.jpg "first-russian-electric-car-01[1].jpg")
>>58859911
We all did.
>>58857710
>sweden
>>58854410
>canada
every time
http://live.gridwatch.ca/
Did your country fall for the "co2 emissions will make the planet uninhabitable" meme?
Norway: yes
>>58878472
Over the last 5 years the temperature has risen .25 degrees celsius
>>58878472
No, we just buy clean air elsewhere
We have 2 reactors that 90% of the population doesn't know of or care about.
I think Mexico would be the worst/best place to build nuclear power plants, people wouldn't give a shit, and it'll get all the permits in a heart beat. On the other hand our institutions are corrupt and awfully operated, seriously we can't even handle hydrocarbons (we get one of pic related every few years) let alone Uranium.
>>58879250
Cartels already smuggled Uranium at least 3 times according to the CIA.
Also, what the fuck happened to Monterrey? I go back after 6 years and the place looks like a warzone.
>>58863692
t. Big Oil Lobby
>>58879342
>smuggled Uranium
Nobody really knows for sure, the story seems sketchy and kinda suspicious, even the official announcement was a complete made up story. Who knows for sure.
>what the fuck happened to Monterrey?
Dunno, I avoid the north like a plague, I have several neighbors that literally ran away from their houses because narco treats. I wouldn't be surprised knowing that half of Monterrey industries are involved in some way into the Narco business.
>>58854683
Ignorance and "scared of Chernobyl".
It also indicates a complete lack of the regional government, which might be a good reason in itself.
>>58879855
I wonder when Australia will start putting a fuckton of nuclear power plants out in the desert, would be neat.
>>58852072
>that french reactor
cheeky
